Undertaker and Lesner ***UFC 121 spoilers***

Degag

Said i'd make a new thread on this as there is a bit of discussion on it in the Wrestling news thread.

Both had words and the interviewer alluded to WWE trying to make a match between the two at Wrestlemania.

Thanks to whoever put in the spoiler alert btw.

Degag

CoolHat wrote: »

I think it has to be said that the undertaker is a pr*ck.

"do you wanna go?" after Lensar fight. Talk about picking on a guy when he is down.

Its been noted before that the undertaker thinks he is a legit hard man. While he is nothing more than a fake wrestler. Dont get me wrong I like wrestling. But there is a hell of a world of difference between wrestling and mma.

Lesnar obviously said something to Taker for Taker to give that response though.

Also, he is a legit tough guy, not on Lesnar's level though i'd imagine, but i still wouldn't cross him!

Diabhal Beag

Taker is bitter because he put Brock over before he left. He was pissed that Brock didn't return the favour.

Penn

I agree with Degag, I'd say Lesnar had to have said something for Taker to give that response. He was giving a fair, balanced interview before Lesnar walked by. Even with animosity between them, Taker doesn't seem to be the guy who'd say "Do you wanna go?" to a guy who just came out of an MMA fight, especially with Taker being an MMA fan

Degag

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Taker is bitter because he put Brock over before he left. He was pissed that Brock didn't return the favour.

I'd say that could have something to do with it. Taker put him over on a few ppvs - once in a hell in a cell - and Lesnar was supposed to have done the same after Taker returned at WM XX but refused.

CMpunked

Theres no such thing as a "fake wrestler".
There is physicality, the necessity to be athletic is there.

Taker is all about respect. He had that catchphrase for a while didnt he, "Many will hate me, few will like me, all will respect me" or something to that extent.

If you were a wrestler and taker said "Listen, im going to put you over because i want to give you my seal of approval and think you have a future", you would NOT pass that chance up.

He (hypothetically) said that to brock and brock didnt return on his end of the bargain. So basically he kicked his respect back in his face.

I would love to see taker knocking out lesnar with a punch.
The MMA forum would explode.

Revolution9

Taker is an utter legend.

Long live the dead man

Revolution9

CMpunked wrote: »

I would love to see taker knocking out lesnar with a punch.
The MMA forum would explode.

+1

J. Marston

That was interesting. Taker said ''ya wanna do it?'' or ''ya wanna go?'' think it was that anyway.
Be fairly class to see Brock back in WWE even if it was just for a Wrestlemania rivalry.

Fozzy

It's a work. The WWE want to get Brock in for Wrestlemania

Dean820

Fozzy wrote: »

It's a work. The WWE want to get Brock in for Wrestlemania

Ha, a work in which maybe a few thousand people at most will see on youtube? Now if WWE showed it on Raw or SD! I might be half convinced.

Degag

Fozzy wrote: »

It's a work. The WWE want to get Brock in for Wrestlemania

The more i think about it the more plausible it sounds.

If there was an agreement in place before last night for the two to fight at Mania, it could easily have been set up for Lesnar to walk by Taker while being interviewed. I mean, has Taker ever been interviewed in any of his appearances before? I know that he's been shown on camera etc, but i don't know if he's been interviewed. If he hasn't it seems very coincedental that he was being interviewed just as Brock was walking by.

Fishy.

Diabhal Beag

Fozzy wrote: »

It's a work. The WWE want to get Brock in for Wrestlemania

Hopefully but can't see it happening

jaykhunter

CoolHat wrote: »

I think it has to be said that the undertaker is a pr*ck.

"do you wanna go?" after Lensar fight. Talk about picking on a guy when he is down.

Its been noted before that the undertaker thinks he is a legit hard man. While he is nothing more than a fake wrestler. Dont get me wrong I like wrestling. But there is a hell of a world of difference between wrestling and mma.

I completely agree. It's all buddy-buddy when he wins, is it? Completely classless and unprofessional by that mma fan. Lesnar's just been destroyed and lost his belt, and now you're challenging him? Although he's battered now, a few years ago Taker'd kick most people's ass in WWE, not that anyone would try it. The old cripple thinks he'd actually take Lesnar, who'd cave his face in. This isn't pro wrestling where your oppoents patiently wait for 10 seconds for Taker to apply his horrific version of the gogoplata.

Please don't entertain Brock vs Taker at Mania. He's a legitimate professional fighter --one of the best in the world-- and doesn't ever want or need to go back to Vince's carny show. He left because it wasn't real competition. I love wrestling, but pro-wrestling is the only occurance where Taker wouldn't get the tar kicked out of him immediately by Lesnar.

CMpunked

It is a bit fishy alright.

If the undertaker gets buried alive tonight then maybe he could return later on as a normal guy, kinda american bad ass, but not really.

Like the undertaker could "Lose his power" that makes him supernatural tonight..

Why im thinking that is there is NO way they will use this as a springboard to an angle and not having a reason to why taker was out of character.

Unless they dont make remarks to this situation and build it on something else, making it look like a shoot?

Rjd2

Fozzy wrote: »

It's a work. The WWE want to get Brock in for Wrestlemania

Where did you read that?

I don't see what Brock would have to gain really from coming back and tapping to Taker at Mania. He may get some cash, but I doubt he needs it really.

Anyways if he wanted some quick cash from wrestling, surely he would pop to TNA? Doesn't Spike TV have a relationship with UFC?

jaykhunter

Degag wrote: »

When Taker returned at Wrestlemania XX, the original plan was for him to enter a program with Brock afterwards where Brock was supposed to job to him. Brock refused. This was probably a pre-cursor to Brock leaving the WWE. I have no idea if there was heat between the two because of this incident but i presume it had something to do with it.

They already had their 3-match feud done and dusted so I can't imagine that was the source. I bet Taker made remarks that he'd actually take Lesnar.

Unforgiven, Sept 2002
WWE Title: Champ Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker fought to a double-DQ

No Mercy, Oct 2002
Hell in the Cell for WWE title: Champ Brock Lesnar beat The Undertaker

No Mercy, Oct 2003
Biker Chain Match for WWE Title: Champion Brock Lesnar beat The Undertaker

Hmm. Maybe Taker was bitter that he put over Lesnar. He's an old guy, and over, and lesnar's the new face of the company and deservedly went over. He's been at Brock's UFC fights before though.....

Gerard.C

The lights will go out during Lesnars next fight and when they go back on he'll ate a tombstone.

Diabhal Beag

Rjd2 wrote: »

Where did you read that?

I don't see what Brock would have to gain really from coming back and tapping to Taker at Mania. He may get some cash, but I doubt he needs it really.

Anyways if he wanted some quick cash from wrestling, surely he would pop to TNA? Doesn't Spike TV have a relationship with UFC?

Meltzer was on about it on audio

Dean820

jaykhunter wrote: »

I completely agree. It's all buddy-buddy when he wins, is it? Completely classless and unprofessional by that mma fan. Lesnar's just been destroyed and lost his belt, and now you're challenging him? Although he's battered now, a few years ago Taker'd kick most people's ass in WWE, not that anyone would try it. The old cripple thinks he'd actually take Lesnar, who'd cave his face in. This isn't pro wrestling where your oppoents patiently wait for 10 seconds for Taker to apply his horrific version of the gogoplata.

Please don't entertain Brock vs Taker at Mania. He's a legitimate professional fighter --one of the best in the world-- and doesn't ever want or need to go back to Vince's carny show. He left because it wasn't real competition. I love wrestling, but pro-wrestling is the only occurance where Taker wouldn't get the tar kicked out of him immediately by Lesnar.

Mayweather and Tyson weren't legitimate professional fighters? Lesnar left because of the travel schedule. He couldn't hack it.

And just an MMA fan? He's the ****ing Undertaker!

jaykhunter

I don't understand your point with Mayweather and Tyson? Lesnar is still viewed by ignorant UFC marks as a phoney pro-wrestler. Lesnar doesn't need the money or the damage to his reputation would take with an appearance in WWE.

There are a multitude of reasons why Brock left. But he hated the lack of real, athletic competition. Didn't care for telling stories.

In the MMA world, even f**king Dan Puder or Bart Gunn would knock Taker on his ass these days. He can barely walk. I think the problem with certain wrestlers (like HHH) who are booked to be the toughest SOB in wrestling actually believe it. Back in the day I'd imagine Taker'd kick the crap out of almost everyone backstage, but not today. Taker is a tough guy but he'd be murdered by Lesnar, and would've done at any point of Lesnar's WWE career. Last night he was in Lesnar's world (UFC) and he's not a competitor, he's a fan.

D2D

Gerard.C wrote: »

The lights will go out during Lesnars next fight and when they go back on he'll ate a tombstone.

The MMA forum would literally explode

Machismo Fan

jaykhunter wrote: »

There are a multitude of reasons why Brock left. But he hated the lack of real, athletic competition. Didn't care for telling stories.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/powellsblog/article10014795.shtml

For what it's worth, Brock wouldn't rule out a return to WWE when I interviewed him back in June of 2008. He was training for his second UFC fight at the time and had yet to win a UFC fight let alone become the UFC Heavyweight Champion. At the time, I wondered whether he was just being open minded just in case the MMA career flamed out.

"You know, I have no idea," Lesnar said when I asked him whether he'd consider returning to WWE at some point. "I will definitely never end up back on the road again, I know that. Would I sometime like some type of business adventure with the company? Maybe. Whether it's a book or a one time match or a one-time feud, whatever. Obviously, I don't work for peanuts, and everything has to fall into place."

Plus, if he were to do another match I'd imagine that'd make MMA diehards even more likely to pay to see somebody beat his face in.

Vince135792003

Machismo Fan wrote: »

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/powellsblog/article10014795.shtml


Plus, if he were to do another match I'd imagine that'd make MMA diehards even more likely to pay to see somebody beat his face in.

Would his contract with the UFC allow him to do it? When Angle was in serious discussions with Dana White one of the deal breakers was that he had to commit himself fully to the UFC.

In saying that, you have MMA guys doing movies all the time so perhaps Brock doing something with the WWE would fall into the same category.

As for the video, I am open minded about it. It's really hard to judge given how fast it was.

My gut opinion on it would be that Lesnar after losing was in a really really bad mood (obviously). He saw 'Taker being interviewed and gave him a look 'Taker didn't like and 'Taker responded be it in an acting or real way. I don't think it was pre-planned.

rossie1977

saw this on another forum, think its bs to be honest but still funny, the source is supposed to be sipoma.com but can't find that site

The staredown between former heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar and WWE Superstar The Undertaker at last nights UFC event was a result of something which happened the previous night, when the old friends were catching up.
Undertaker is reported to have had too much to drink and mistakenly hit on Brocks wife Rena (ex WWE star Sable) thinking it was his own wife Michelle (WWE Attention Whore). The trouble however doesn't come from the mistaken identity, it comes from Undertakers comment of "You're not Michelle, you're old" when he realised his mistake. Needless to say Lesnar was not amused and the pair had to be seperated.

Gerard.C

Lesnars return should be a huge deal if it does happen, and when he comes back he should just be destroyed by the nexus and sent back to the ufc pronto

CMpunked

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Would his contract with the UFC allow him to do it? When Angle was in serious discussions with Dana White one of the deal breakers was that he had to commit himself fully to the UFC.

In saying that, you have MMA guys doing movies all the time so perhaps Brock doing something with the WWE would fall into the same category.

Thats just it, rampage done the a team and dana didnt sound too negative towards the idea when it was put to him by the interviewer.

Was angles situation not that the ufc wanted him to be training full time before they would seriously consider putting him in the octagon but angle wanted a less committed contract, so he could still wrestle/run his food company?

michael.etc...

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Would his contract with the UFC allow him to do it? When Angle was in serious discussions with Dana White one of the deal breakers was that he had to commit himself fully to the UFC.

In saying that, you have MMA guys doing movies all the time so perhaps Brock doing something with the WWE would fall into the same category.

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No, his UFC deal definitely wouldn't allow him to do so. The movies are something different altogether, and I'm almost certain Dana was pretty pissed at Rampage in regards to how the A-team ****ed with his schedule.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if the WWE was attempting to put together a Brock/Taker match, but I'm amazed by the amount of people online who are up in arms suggesting the UFC would never allow it etc.. That doesn't matter in the slightest, it doesn'tmean the WWE wouldn't attempt to start something regardless. This is the company went ahead with Rourke/Jericho, before Rourke had officially committed.
It won't happen though. And Brock would be stupid to entertain the whole thing for even a second.

nacho libre

Perhaps Vince wants to drop the pg stuff, now that it seems Linda's isn't going to win her election campaign? The undertaker doesn't strike me as delusional or stupid, so i definitely think he was instructed by Vince's to cut some sort of promo on Lesnar. I think if there was genuine animosity between the two it have surfaced at an mma event before now.

GTR63

I think it was heat of the moment stuff.I doubt Lesnar will return until his fight career is Over.I doubt Dana White would allow him to job to Taker at Mania,it'd be Buisness Suicide on top of that Lesnar earns about $4/5 Million a Fight in the UFC he wouldn't get paid that at Mania. His MMA career isn't over he just needs to improve his standup & defence off his back. We'll get Justin Bieber at Mania & nothing else & it Kills me to say that.

CMpunked

Imagine if lesnar beat the streak?! :rolleyes:

Diabhal Beag

GTR63 wrote: »

I think it was heat of the moment stuff.I doubt Lesnar will return until his fight career is Over.I doubt Dana White would allow him to job to Taker at Mania,it'd be Buisness Suicide on top of that Lesnar earns about $4/5 Million a Fight in the UFC he wouldn't get paid that at Mania. His MMA career isn't over he just needs to improve his standup & defence off his back. We'll get Justin Bieber at Mania & nothing else & it Kills me to say that.

When under-card fighters are earning maybe $20,000 I don't think Brock is quite earning 4-5 million a fight.

GTR63

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

When under-card fighters are earning maybe $20,000 I don't think Brock is quite earning 4-5 million a fight.

He gets about Half a Million for fighting & a Win Bonus he also gets cut out of the PPV buys.I've read he gets this much in Power Slam so i'd believe it.Some wwe Main eventers get 7 figure Bonuses at Mania so imagine what Lesnar would get when his fights get well over 1 million buys.

Diabhal Beag

GTR63 wrote: »

He gets about Half a Million for fighting & a Win Bonus he also gets cut out of the PPV buys.I've read he gets this much in Power Slam so i'd believe it.Some wwe Main eventers get 7 figure Bonuses at Mania so imagine what Lesnar would get when his fights get well over 1 million buys.

I'd say he'd make 4 million a year if he fought twice like this year and that includes pay out on fights, merch and bonuses.

Vince135792003

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I'd say he'd make 4 million a year if he fought twice like this year and that includes pay out on fights, merch and bonuses.

No one knows the figure he receives per each ppv buy. If it was a dollar he'd make about 2 million a fight. It could be more though.

geeky

One thing that gives the 'conspiracy theory' credence for me is that 'taker normally is almost obsessively protective of his character. So to give an interview like that - and admit that he'd have liked to do MMA if he were young enough (with the implicit acknowledgement that he's just too old now) - is peculiar behaviour indeed. Sources in Stamford were bitching and moaning when a photo of his wedding leaked ffs.

Bubs101

GTR63 wrote: »

I think it was heat of the moment stuff.I doubt Lesnar will return until his fight career is Over.I doubt Dana White would allow him to job to Taker at Mania,it'd be Buisness Suicide on top of that Lesnar earns about $4/5 Million a Fight in the UFC he wouldn't get paid that at Mania. His MMA career isn't over he just needs to improve his standup & defence off his back. We'll get Justin Bieber at Mania & nothing else & it Kills me to say that.

Never say Never

Loughc

Never gonna happen!!!!

Degag

geeky wrote: »

One thing that gives the 'conspiracy theory' credence for me is that 'taker normally is almost obsessively protective of his character. So to give an interview like that - and admit that he'd have liked to do MMA if he were young enough (with the implicit acknowledgement that he's just too old now) - is peculiar behaviour indeed. Sources in Stamford were bitching and moaning when a photo of his wedding leaked ffs.

Yes, that seemed really strange to me too. It wasn't even Vince and the bosses that were so upset about the wedding picture either - Taker himself was supposed to be livid. McCool featured prominently in the video too, so why the big change of heart? Well i think Taker's next return will be as the ABA, so perhaps he's just opening up a bit more. There are still things that don't seem to add up though and while i don't really see them locking horns at Mania, there's more to this than meets the eye.

Machismo Fan

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/18054/

--Regarding the Undertaker-Brock Lesnar thing from last night, WWE has made Lesnar an offer to face Undertaker at WrestleMania. I don't expect anything to come of it, but nobody can read Lesnar's mind. It's smart business for Vince if he can pull it off. It was kept secret from many, if not most or all of creative. Obviously it was the talk of things backstage in Minneapolis today and everyone was asking everyone if they knew what was up.

http://pwinsider.com/article/52093/paul-heyman-comments-on-brock-lesnars-loss-and-more-lesnarwwe-notes.html?p=1

The word making the rounds backstage at The Bragging Rights PPV is that WWE has made an offer for Brock Lesnar to return for one night at Wrestlemania 27. That was what Undertaker was referring to when he saw Lesnar last night in the exchange that was caught on video last night.

In speaking to a few people that worked for WWE during the time period Lesnar left the company, they weren't happy to hear of Lesnar getting a big offer to walk back in and get a payday on the biggest day of WWE's calendar after he "crapped on the business" by walking out after being built up as a huge star, but I suspect that if it happens, it'll be big business and that's the bottom line in a situation like this.

Loughc

Machismo Fan wrote: »

In speaking to a few people that worked for WWE during the time period Lesnar left the company, they weren't happy to hear of Lesnar getting a big offer to walk back in and get a payday on the biggest day of WWE's calendar after he "crapped on the business" by walking out after being built up as a huge star, but I suspect that if it happens, it'll be big business and that's the bottom line in a situation like this.

This is exactly why I think its BS, also if the proposed match is going to be Lesnar-Taker how would that work, Lesnar wouldn't want to come back for one match just to lose plus it makes him look weak in terms for his MMA career.

But what's the alternative, have Lesnar win? Have him end the streak and have Taker put him over yet again. Surely if you're going to end the streak you give it to someone who's the future of the company not someone who's back for one big pay day and who no longer respects the business.

Vince135792003

lockie1983 wrote: »

plus it makes him look weak in terms for his MMA career.

Would it? Everyone knows what wrestling is in 2010. In some ways it might give Lesnar more exposure for his next fights in MMA and increase interest in it.

Loughc

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Would it? Everyone knows what wrestling is in 2010. In some ways it might give Lesnar more exposure for his next fights in MMA and increase interest in it.

Think about it tho, the joke would be, he couldn't even win a fake fight how is he going to beat.... and so on and so on...

rossie1977

after his last performance at mania in 2004 not sure why any fans would want to see him back in a wwe ring, he should be forced to wrestle for free after that debacle

Degag

lockie1983 wrote: »

Think about it tho, the joke would be, he couldn't even win a fake fight how is he going to beat.... and so on and so on...

Yes, amongst 10 year olds.

CoolHat

I cant believe certain people think this is a work :pac:
There is absolutely no way this is a work.

The Undertaker said that to him because clearly Brock and the taker dont like each other. And quite a "big man" at the same time doing it after Lensar's loss and when beaten up :rolleyes:

In my personal opinion WWE and UFC would never do anything together. Despite what Vince may officially say, UFC is his competition. And UFC looks down at wrestling, despite what they officially may say.

Degag

CoolHat wrote: »

I cant believe certain people think this is a work :pac:
There is absolutely no way this is a work.

The Undertaker said that to him because clearly Brock and the taker dont like each other. And quite a "big man" at the same time doing it after Lensar's loss and when beaten up :rolleyes:

In my personal opinion WWE and UFC would never do anything together. Despite what Vince may officially say, UFC is his competition. And UFC looks down at wrestling, despite what they officially may say.

How is it that you can't understand that Brock obviously said something to Taker to get that reaction?

CMpunked

CoolHat wrote: »

I cant believe certain people think this is a work :pac:
There is absolutely no way this is a work.

The Undertaker said that to him because clearly Brock and the taker dont like each other. And quite a "big man" at the same time doing it after Lensar's loss and when beaten up :rolleyes:

Taker would have been respectful enough to let him pass without making any comment towards him at all, if there hadnt have been something lesnar done/said.

Turtyturd

Degag wrote: »

How is it that you can't understand that Brock obviously said something to Taker to get that reaction?

How is it that you can be so certain something was said?...because The Undertaker has a reputation of being respectful? You obviously were not there so cannot say for definite what happened. To me it looked like Taker knew about the offer for Brock to appear at WM and only got pissed off when he didnt get a reply. People are reading too much into it.

Degag

Turtyturd wrote: »

How is it that you can be so certain something was said?...because The Undertaker has a reputation of being respectful? You obviously were not there so cannot say for definite what happened. To me it looked like Taker knew about the offer for Brock to appear at WM and only got pissed off when he didnt get a reply. People are reading too much into it.

Because there would have been absolutely no reason for Taker to have asked him for a fight if Lesnar had just walked past him. Does not make sense. I wasn't there - obviously - but the most likely thing to have happened was that Lesnar said something.

kronsington

Matt Hardy's take on all this..

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/video-matt-hardys-thoughts-on-brock-lesnarundertaker-115119