New bird on 16 east...

Newtown90

Hey,

Just remembered about the new bird that was heading towards 16 east there to replace the old bird which got damaged earlier this year...

Its expected to be in operation according to some reports mid December...
Was wondering will this new bird pump up the signal again...

Used to get this sat without any trouble on my 80 cm dish in North Kerry! But since it got damaged i can't get a peep!!

stevethesatguy

New satellite is at 15.8 east, low powered, you will need a Triax 1.1m with an MTI supremline LNB or something very similar.

Steve

dxhound2005

W3B due to launch Oct 28. From what I read it will be at 16 East until mid/late 2011 before moving to 7 East and being replaced by new W3C.

http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/upcoming-launches.html

dxhound2005

Oct. 28 Ariane 5 • W3B & BSAT 3b
Launch window: 2151-2317 GMT (5:51-7:17 p.m. EDT)
Launch site: ELA-3, Kourou, French Guiana

Arianespace Flight 197 will use an Ariane 5 rocket with a cryogenic upper stage to launch Eutelsat's W3B communications satellite to serve Europe, Africa and the Middle East and Japan's BSAT 3b satellite to provide high definition direct broadcasting television programming. Delayed from Sept. 15 due to issue on W3B payload. [Oct. 4]


There is a channel on 13 East 11604 H called Launch W3B should be showing the launch later.

byte

Hotbird video feed now active.

marcel353

Loss of W3B confirmed,

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/eutelsat-statement-on-loss-of-w3b-satellite-106291388.html

Minstrel27

Some balls.

azzeretti

Not bad for people with Tring cards, I was convinced that the reason the EPL didn't stop Tring was that they promised to move onto a tight central beam on the new bird....might order a card now!

Newtown90

Oh well think its time to invest in a bigger dish and better lnb now!!

irishchris

azzeretti wrote: »

Not bad for people with Tring cards, I was convinced that the reason the EPL didn't stop Tring was that they promised to move onto a tight central beam on the new bird....might order a card now!

bit of a loss for people with tring imo as tring had promised to set up dedicated sports channels on a higher bitrate with the free transponders on the new sat {as the present picture is brutal due to the space confinement}. they had also said there was a proposal for a hd sports channel. not going to happen now. looking at the footprint for the lost eutelsat it was very good for coverage from ireland.

sob1467

Theres a video of it launching if you missed it and a news story about its failure to make it in the bbc website this is the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11652320

byte

Awful shame really, after a successful launch.

Some insurance company isn't feeling the best today I would imagine.

Eutelsat themselves most likely quite vexed too, due to lack of free space at 16E.

dxhound2005

W3C launched sucessfully, everyone cross your fingers that nothing goes wrong this time.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1110/07longmarch/

dxhound2005

William on the Alsat forum is reporting that W3C is now operational. I am getting 90% on 12616 V 2800 TV1 Bosnia.

http://alsatforum.com/showthread.php?356987-Eutelsat-W3C-has-started-16-east

byte

Ooh, interesting.

My satellites file must be corrupt, as all 16E channels are greyed out (VU+). I think it's to do with a channel/bouquet list I downloaded, and the 16E position of the satellites list in the menu doesn't equal the 15.8E mentioned in the Tuning menu... or something

banie01

dxhound2005 wrote: »

William on the Alsat forum is reporting that W3C is now operational. I am getting 90% on 12616 V 2800 TV1 Bosnia.

http://alsatforum.com/showthread.php?356987-Eutelsat-W3C-has-started-16-east

Is this bird replacing the fleet currently @ 16e? Will all the TPs be moving across?
Or will it be supplemental?
And as for TV1 Bosnia, I just tried it there and I'm only getting it in @ 33%SNR at the moment....And I usually pull in Tring @ 52% on my 88cm
So I'm hoping that the power gets a boost soon haha

fish fingers

Ah well, this will get me out of bed to go tinkering.

azzeretti

Interesting.
TV1 Bosnia coming in about 80% for me in Wexford on a 1.1m. Tring Sports holding at about 70%. It's been a couple of years since I tried anything on that bird but IIRC the singal was not as good as it is now. Now, rollout Tring HD and get things sorted with the EPL and I'll be happy!

Zardoz

banie01 wrote: »

Is this bird replacing the fleet currently @ 16e? Will all the TPs be moving across?
Or will it be supplemental?

Its replacing the 3 existing sats which are being removed from service.

banie01

Is anyone else having any issues with this sat lately?
My own SNR on tring has dropped from @52% to 23% I'm hoping its just that the recent storms have knocked my alignment a bit rather than a sat issue.

givecredit

No issues with Tring or any other 16 deg signal.

Update on new satellite:

The W3C satellite, built for Eutelsat by Thales Alenia Space has been successfully launched on Friday October 7 by a Long March 3BE rocket from the Xichang Satellite Launch Centre (China).

Scheduled to enter service at 16° East on the night of November 8th - 9th, W3C will replace Eutelsat’s EUROBIRD™ 16, W2M and SESAT 1 satellites.

Through its configuration of 53 Ku and three Ka transponders it will provide capacity for broadcasting and telecom/data services.

High-power footprints of Central Europe and Indian Ocean islands will support digital video broadcasting markets while coverage of Africa stretching from Senegal to South Africa will serve data and telecom markets.

Launch date: 07/10/11
Launch details: Long March
Satellite construction: Thales Alenia Space

dxhound2005

Here are details of some frequency changes happening Nov 8/9.

http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/pdf/W3C_16E_FreqChanges.pdf

dxhound2005

This information card is being broadcast on 16 East last couple of days. 11138 H 27500 channel name SS HD+ 50% signal with me. Changes happening from midnight I think.

http://www.digitalb.al/

givecredit

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This information card is being broadcast on 16 East last couple of days. 11138 H 27500 channel name SS HD+ 50% signal with me. Changes happening from midnight I think.

http://www.digitalb.al/

Yes, Big changes happening tonight. Digitalb switching from 11.50pm tonight, changeover complete by 1.00am. This is 10.50pm to 12.00 GMT.

Total TV state their change over will be from 12.00 to 6.00am. 11.00PM to 5.00am GMT.

A retune will be required for most channels, but some will remain on same frequency,Just different satellite.

Update: Majority of transponders down 25% signal

excollier

Tring is down significantly, it is now showing no or bad signal, when it was steady and strong yesterday

banie01

givecredit wrote: »

Update: Majority of transponders down 25% signal

excollier wrote: »

Tring is down significantly, it is now showing no or bad signal, when it was steady and strong yesterday

Same here as regards Tring and DigitalALB, with the caveat that I'm only using a TD88 dish...
But signal strentgh is blitzed
If it stays like this I think I may just realign my prime focus to 13e and tweak my lnb setup to see if I can reach out to 1w

givecredit

Reports,(unconfirmed) that switchover did not go as planned. Satellite reported to be on move again today, which would cause uplike problems.

Not operating on full power yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours may see some positive changes.

On a positive note, if you are a fan of Carli Music tv that now blasting in at 90%!

dxhound2005

I think something is happening now, big signals on a lot of tp's. 97% on 12734.

Flysat has the list up but it might not be complete as I don't see 10911 there.

http://www.flysat.com/eutelsatw3c.php

givecredit

Yes, All channels now back with stronger signals...Looking very good for 16deg east....Full rescan required..Tring now up in the 90s % signal!!!

dxhound2005

12507 V 2532 West TV 100%. 12676 H 2800 100% Al Jazeera Balkans Test (black screen, audio tone)

banie01

dxhound2005 wrote: »

12507 V 2532 West TV 100%. 12676 H 2800 100% Al Jazeera Balkans Test (black screen, audio tone)

Its looking very good indeed for 16e
I'm pulling in 12507 V 2532 West TV @67% and 12676 H 2800 @71% on my trusty TD88
And I'm certain a little Elevation tweaking will push those numbers up even higher

givecredit

New frequencies: x=H Y=V


W3C_16E_FreqChanges
CanalSat Réunion
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
EB16-111 30.0 M 10 727.13 (X) L01 30.0 M 11 470.75 (X)
EB16-115 27.5 M 10 815.08 (X) K09 27.5 M 10 886.75 (X)
EB16-117 30.0 M 10 853.44 (X) L09 30.0 M 11 636.75 (X)
W2M-C1 30.0 M 11 231.25 (X) L03 30.0 M 11 512.25 (X)
W2M-C5 27.5 M 11 365.00 (X) K07 27.5 M 10 845.25 (X)
Digitalb
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
EB16-110 27.5 M 10 719.18 (Y) A07 27.5 M 10 845.25 (X)
EB16-112 27.5 M 10 757.54 (Y) A11 27.5 M 10 928.25 (X)
EB16-122 15.0 M 10 942.34 (Y) Content of EB16-122 to be moved to muxes below & above
SESAT1-B1 22.5 M 10 975.92 (X) B04 27.5 M 11 055.50 (Y)
SESAT1-B4 27.9 M 11 055.50 (Y) A03 27.5 M 10 762.25 (X)
SESAT1-D5 27.9 M 11 639.83 (X) A05 27.5 M 10 803.75 (X)
France Télévision
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
W2M-D9 22.2 M 11 679.08 (X) L05 30.0 M 11 553.75 (X)
Orange Réunion
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
EB16-113 30.0 M 10 775.08 (X) L11 30.0 M 11 678.25 (X)
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W3C_16E_FreqChanges-r3.doc - 26.10.2011
Parabole Réunion
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
W2M-D1 30.0 M 11 491.67 (X) K11 30.0 M 10 928.25 (X)
W2M-D5 30.0 M 11 595.75 (X) L07 30.0 M 11 595.75 (X)
Total TV
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency (1)
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
EB16-114 30.0 M 10 795.90 (Y) D01 30 M 11 470.75 (X)
EB16-116 27.5 M 10 834.26 (Y) C06 30 M 11 324.50 (Y)
EB16-118 27.5 M 10 872.62 (Y) C09 30 M 11 386.75 (X)
EB16-119 27.5 M 10 891.80 (X) C01 30 M 11 220.75 (X)
SESAT1-B3 27.3 M 11 094.61 (X) D05 30 M 11 553.75 (X)
27.5 M (ref) 10 972.17 (Y) 27.5 M (ref) 10 972.17 (Y)
W2M-B2
27.5M 11 010.92 (Y)
B02 (1)
27.5M 11 010.92 (Y)
(1) Reorganisation of Total TV multiplexes when moving to W3C
Sony
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
EB16-120 27.5 M 10 910.98 (Y) F03 27.5 M 12 605.50 (X)
STN
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
SESAT1-F1 30.0 M 12 525.00 (X) C08 30.0 M 11 366.00 (Y)
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W3C_16E_FreqChanges-r3.doc - 26.10.2011
Max TV (T-HT)
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
SESAT1-D1 30.0 M 11 509.67 (X) D03 30.0 M 11 512.25 (X)
SESAT1-D3 30.0 M 11 557.00 (X) D07 30.0 M 11 595.25 (X)
SESAT1-D6 30.0 M 11 676.33 (Y) D11 30.0 M 11 678.25 (X)
TV Romania
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
SESAT1-D2 30.0 M 11 475.00 (Y) D02 30.0 M 11 470.75 (Y)
SESAT1-D4 30.0 M 11 557.00 (Y) D04 30.0 M 11 512.25 (Y)
Romania Demo
Current carrier centre frequency W3C carrier centre frequency
Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol Transponder Symbol rate Downlink freq (MHz) & pol
EB16-121 27.5 M 10 930.16 (X) D08 27.5 M 11 595.25 (Y)

byte

Yay, I get channels on 16°E again, after many months without.

I probably could've got them if I had bothered to try readjust my motor (again), but now they're working without my bothering

...which is nice!

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

Its looking very good indeed for 16e
I'm pulling in 12507 V 2532 West TV @67% and 12676 H 2800 @71% on my trusty TD88
And I'm certain a little Elevation tweaking will push those numbers up even higher

Well I got bored and decided to get out and see if a tweak or 2 elevation wise would improve things for me now the w3c is powering up.

Compared to the 1st set of numbers I posted above,
I'm now at 12507 V 2532 West TV @78% and at 85% on 12676 H 2800
On Tring sports I'm getting 62% SNR which is a big improvement from the 48-51% range I usually received (Though I did have a peak of 55% last year)
And DigitalALB is coming @59% SNR!
I love my little Triax
I'm loving this new Bird already

So After a quick Sats.xml update and a rescan I'm now pulling in 378 services from this bird compared to I think a max of 281 previously.
And with the extra power I might even be able to watch 16e in the rain and all on a TD88! LOL

excollier

Tring stronger than before on a TD88 up here too, (temporary on a tripod) what a relief!
It's actually stronger on the TD88 than it used to be on a friend's Andrew 1.2m, so I can only guess what his signal strength must be like now.
Hope it's not too much now.

byte

@Banie, how do you update your satellites.xml? Is there an updated file to download?

Whilst on the topic of sat.xml, I have an added issue with 16°E - it's listed twice. Once, it's for "15.8E Eurobird 16..Eutelsat W2M..Eutelsat Sesat1" and all the channels are greyed out (I downloaded a premade bouquets list ya see) and again for "16.0E"

Is it possible to merge/delete these? I'm guessing it's a case of the bouquest list I downloaded not fully matching the satellites.xml list. Merging or renaming the 16.0 to the other would suit best since the providers are all seperated into their bouquets.

banie01

byte wrote: »

@Banie, how do you update your satellites.xml? Is there an updated file to download?

Whilst on the topic of sat.xml, I have an added issue with 16°E - it's listed twice. Once, it's for "15.8E Eurobird 16..Eutelsat W2M..Eutelsat Sesat1" and all the channels are greyed out (I downloaded a premade bouquets list ya see) and again for "16.0E"

Is it possible to merge/delete these? I'm guessing it's a case of the bouquest list I downloaded not fully matching the satellites.xml list. Merging or renaming the 16.0 to the other would suit best since the providers are all seperated into their bouquets.

Byte I use this site http://satellites-xml.eu/ (the site is usually updated daily) to update my sats.xml file on a regular(monthly or so) basis.
Yes it is possible to merge the positions, you can edit the .xml file in notepad or even easier is to edit it in Notepad++
Just copy the 15.8e tp list into the 16e section of the .xml and it should work out fine.
Then just put the updated file into Var/Tuxbox and your good to go.

As an aside to editing the sats.xml as 1 LNB is capable of receiving from 2 sats within 2 degrees of each other its possible to receive 2 sats via one LNB on some positions.
I have an LNB at 9e and thanks to this editing trick I pull in a lot of 7e and 10e too
I have merged positions at 13e/14e and 19e/20e too more for curiosity than for any worthwhile content though! LOL

byte

Thanks for your quick reply, banie01.

I'm assuming copying the tp data from one section to another will not affect existing channel lists and bouquets?

As I might just go ahead and copy in a brand new satellites.xml

banie01

byte wrote: »

Thanks for your quick reply, banie01.

I'm assuming copying the tp data from one section to another will not affect existing channel lists and bouquets?

As I might just go ahead and copy in a brand new satellites.xml

The updated .xml won't affect the channel lists/buoquets apart from greying out parts of the channel list if the channels have moved to different tps or changed SID.
If you usually use a Bouquets pack like catseyes or Vhannibal maybe see if they have an updated pack available?
As that would include an updated .xml

With regards to the updated .xml for 16e.....
There are still a lot of channels moving across to w3c at the moment, I've just noticed that all my DigitalALB channels have gone dead, but are all there on a manual rescan.
The .xml I downloaded doesn't include the DVB-S2 tps yet and they will most likely be updated on the site by tomorrow.

banie01

Just rescanned with a freshly updated .xml file and I'm know pulling in 463 services on this Bird
Thats more than double what I managed to pull in from the old constellation and signal strength is massively improved, for the 1st time ever I could watch 16e in the rain! LOL
I've attached the latest updated TP list in .txt format(Boards won't allow .xml upload)
Just in case anyone wants to copy it across to replace their current 15.8e/16e TP lists

swoofer

for banie01,

its 94% on a triax 1.1m, which is wow!!

gbc-

banie01

GBCULLEN wrote: »

for banie01,

its 94% on a triax 1.1m, which is wow!!

gbc-

Its brilliant isn't it! LOL
The limiting factor for myself on 16e with my TD88 now is no longer my dish but rather my LNB!
I'm using an Inverto multiconnect @16e, forced on me due to spacing considerations and while it gives great spacesaving, its performance on weak birds isn't great
I reckon with an Inverto Black ultra or similar(Or anything with a 40mm feedhorn!) Would really push up my own SNRs but as my setup is extremely tight on space as is I'm tied to the multiconnect LNB.

That said, I'm delighted my effort in getting 16e added into my setup last year is paying off......even if the football coverage is getting flaky!LOL

snaps

im wondering if ill be able to squeeze an LNB in between 19 and 13 east on my 1.1m. Seems to be a big enough gap. I currently have an offset at 23.5 east, which i barely use. may see if that will squeeze in.

givecredit

You should have no problem fitting a lnb between 19 and 13 degs on a 1.1m dish. I have a 1.1 triax and have 6 quad smart titanium lnbs on it. pointed at 9,13, 16, 19, 23 and 28. There is plenty of room because of the wider spacing required with bigger dish.(28deg is extreamly offset)

dxhound2005

This is the first feed I have tried on since the changeover. Very strong signal 88%, channel name Car 4 Antena 1.

Fréquence: 12548 - Pol: V - SR: 3255 - FEC: -

Catégorie: Sport - Football

Transmis en: MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL)

Infos: Dinamo Bucuresti II-Gloria Buzau


Also Al Jazeera Balkans is now broadcasting normal programmes on 12676 H 2800.

snaps

givecredit wrote: »

You should have no problem fitting a lnb between 19 and 13 degs on a 1.1m dish. I have a 1.1 triax and have 6 quad smart titanium lnbs on it. pointed at 9,13, 16, 19, 23 and 28. There is plenty of room because of the wider spacing required with bigger dish.(28deg is extreamly offset)

What are you centered on? Im aimed at 19 east. Im thinking of getting a Diseqc 1.2 8 way switch to add a few more LNBS, perhaps i'll keep 23 and add an extra 2 for 9/10 east and 16 east?

givecredit

snaps wrote: »

What are you centered on? Im aimed at 19 east. Im thinking of getting a Diseqc 1.2 8 way switch to add a few more LNBS, perhaps i'll keep 23 and add an extra 2 for 9/10 east and 16 east?

I am centered on 16deg. Now getting signals in 90s there, likewise with 13,19,23 and 28 degs. 9 East coming in in the 60s.

Between all sats you get a good choise of free to air tv without the delay of a motor. (I have tring on 16degs with all 3pms). It was through banie01's very helpful posts in an old thread here that i setup the 6 sats, first on a 88cm triax, but with awkward mod required for 16degs. I then got my hands on a 110cm dish for an afternoon, one i was installing for a friend, I tried it on my setup just to see if i could improve signal on 16degs east and made the unexpected discovery of all the extra space on lnb bar because of wider spacing required by 110cm dish. So no messy mod required, except you need to cut base of one lnb holder so that it sits on multibar (cut third way down side of holder). I hold in place with super glue. Obviously signals jumped considerably on all sats and since 9th november 16deg has gone through the roof!
You will need to recentre bar by drilling new hole about width of lnb from existing hole on bar, This bit can be tricky as the position of redrilled hole has a barring on position of lnb for 9 east, so be prepared to redrill if necessary, every mm makes a big difference. You will need an adaptor for 28deg east as its very much offset. I use this:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/MULTIFEED-LNB-HOLDER-BRACKET-3-LNBs-/150611201926?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item2311208f86

28east will work without above if lnb is left on extreame end of bar, but you may have difficulty with CH4 hd and some other weak transponders like cbs ones in heavy rain. The new ch4hd transponder on 1n comes in at 99% so maybe no need for extra bracket.

Mod for 16degs east lnb holder:

Headshot

can someone give me a strong tp for 16e please

banie01

Headshot wrote: »

can someone give me a strong tp for 16e please

12507 V 2532 West TV . 12676 H 2800 Al Jazeera Balkans seem to be the strongest currently.
But fine tune the dish via Tring or DigitalALB.

givecredit

Signals up a further 8 or 9% since yesterday. Tring and digitalb both jumped by 9% yesterday. Many channels now coming in at 99%.

110 cm triax, 6 quads, 16deg at prime focus, with 120 meter cable run from dish to receivers.

banie01

givecredit wrote: »

Signals up a further 8 or 9% since yesterday. Tring and digitalb both jumped by 9% yesterday. Many channels now coming in at 99%.

110 cm triax, 6 quads, 16deg at prime focus, with 120 meter cable run from dish to receivers.

Mines gone the opposite way!
Signals have dropped way off must get out the ladder tomorrow if the weather permits.