!@*$ China!! Seriously.

PanchoVilla

Just watched a new clip about China's one child policy. That country is being run by fúcking sadistic lunatics. Sometimes I'm so angry about the state of this country, but then I see something like this and it puts everything into perspective. Next person to complain about Chinese immigrants can seriously go fúck themselves.

Sykk

Rabble on there.. Human rights etc. In 100-500 years there will be more people on the planet that its resources can support, then we're truly ****ed. They're dead right.

PS: No more Chinese immigrants!

thebigbiffo

i'm of the opinion that regulating the amount of children one couple can have is a good thing. if they could do that in ethiopia maybe the country wouldn't be in receipt of millions in aid that could be given to the real issues...

...like bailing out the banks etc etc etc *ducks

Rabies

As crazy as the one child per family policy is... I kinda agree.
I'd support means testing for families.

Can't afford the kids? Then why should child support pay towards your mistake.

Cookie_Monster

its a sensible policy, pity the rest of the world won't wake up to its collective responsibility on the massive overpopulation occuring

Tiddlypeeps

I don't agree with forced abortion, its pretty horrible. I do agree with the one child policy.

I often hear of people complaining about how wrong the one child policy is, but I have never heard an even slightly viable alternative.

up for anything

Sykk wrote: »

Rabble on there.. Human rights etc. In 100-500 years there will be more people on the planet that its resources can support, then we're truly ****ed. They're dead right.

PS: No more Chinese immigrants!

You are disgusting.

muckwarrior

How long can this go on for?

http://www.paulchefurka.ca/World%20Population.JPG

PanchoVilla

Rabies wrote: »

As crazy as the one child per family policy is... I kinda agree.
I'd support means testing for families.

Can't afford the kids? Then why should child support pay towards your mistake.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the policy, I'm disgusted with how it's enforced. Did you see the state that woman was in? Can you imagine what it must feel like to have a dead baby inside you? You can have as many kids as you want if you're rich, but the poor are the ones to suffer yet again.

Mr McBoatface

OMG Shock horror, Human rights being abused in China.

Worse still I bet they'd have no problems killing a wallaby too .... the evil bastards.

Will you protest, stop buying goods made in China? Maybe setup a facebook campaign, yeah that should help.

battries not included

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Just watched a new clip about China's one child policy. That country is being run by fúcking sadistic lunatics. Sometimes I'm so angry about the state of this country, but then I see something like this and it puts everything into perspective. Next person to complain about Chinese immigrants can seriously go fúck themselves.

FYP

PanchoVilla

Sykk wrote: »

Rabble on there.. Human rights etc. In 100-500 years there will be more people on the planet that its resources can support, then we're truly ****ed. They're dead right.

PS: No more Chinese immigrants!

That's complete bullshít. What resources? Food? You know how much food is thrown out on a daily basis in the U.S.? You know how much fresh water is spoiled by multinational industries? Look at Shell in Nigeria for a start.

We have the technology to support many time more people than we have today. The myth of overpopulation is absolutely baseless and ridiculous. If we want to control the world's population, why don't we start with banning the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control and encouraging mothers to have as many children as possible.

Tiddlypeeps

PanchoVilla wrote: »

You can have as many kids as you want if you're rich, but the poor are the ones to suffer yet again.

The rich can afford to support their children. The poor cannot. It's that simple.

bonerm

I've no problem with the child limiting policy. In fact I think it's a good thing in countries that don't actually need or can't afford the excess population.The only problem I have with it in China is that (as I understand it) there is a strong preference in families to have male children rather than females and due to artificial interference this is leading to an imbalance in the gender populations that is now becoming marked.

kylith

I find the 1 child policy very sad. Imagine; no aunts or uncles, no cousins, no brothers or sister, and if the child dies and the parents are too old to have any more then that's it; can you imagine the heartbreak of that? No prospect of grandchildren, no-one to look after you in your old age, the knowledge that your family line has just died out after who knows how many millenia. And you wouldn't have any other family to lean on at the worst time in your life. Couple that with China's insane bias toward male children and you have a country that's going to be in huge trouble soon.

It's what comes from historically encouraging big familys at the time when they wanted a large military for empiric defense and enlargement.

I feel very sorry for the Chinese over this.

sensibleken

Not a recent phenomena in China. Theres an old Irish ballad with the line 'China where they are very wise and drown at birth their surplus daughters'

Theres also this from the onion 'Chinese woman gives birth to sextuplits: has one week to decide'

But seriously China has become worse than ever since it embraced capitalism. Penthouses for the Rich, abortions for the poor.

thebigbiffo

PanchoVilla wrote: »

That's complete bullshít. What resources? Food? You know how much food is thrown out on a daily basis in the U.S.? You know how much fresh water is spoiled by multinational industries? Look at Shell in Nigeria for a start.

We have the technology to support many time more people than we have today. The myth of overpopulation is absolutely baseless and ridiculous. If we want to control the world's population, why don't we start with banning the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control and encouraging mothers to have as many children as possible.

with people still starving in africa, and with bono on the loose, how can any of this post be true :eek:

Cookie_Monster

PanchoVilla wrote: »

We have the technology to support many time more people than we have today. The myth of overpopulation is absolutely baseless and ridiculous. If we want to control the world's population, why don't we start with banning the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control and encouraging mothers to have as many children as possible.

we do not have the technology or the will, if we did there wouldn't be millions starving in Africa or Asia. As for other resources look at how long oil is predicted to last, look at how fast the Amazon is being cut down, look at how much the Caspian sea has shrunk, look at the total collapse of the north Atlantic fishing stocks etc.

The church policy should be opposed vehemently by every government with any sense too

Mr McBoatface

PanchoVilla wrote: »

If we want to control the world's population, why don't we start with banning the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control and encouraging mothers to have as many children as possible.

Well in Ireland the hard pressed, hard working PRSI workers have to pay for the little fecks as it is, please don't encourage any measures that will add to the tax burden.

Tiddlypeeps

bonerm wrote: »

I've no problem with the child limiting policy. In fact I think it's a good thing in countries that don't actually need or can't afford the excess population.The only problem I have with it in China is that (as I understand it) there is a strong preference in families to have male children rather than females and due to artificial interference this is leading to an imbalance in the gender populations that is now becoming marked.

A gender imbalance just means the population will be reduced all the faster. Especially because their are more males than females. Meaning they can remove the 1 child policy all the sooner.

Cookie_Monster

sensibleken wrote: »

But seriously China has become worse than ever since it embraced capitalism. Penthouses for the Rich, abortions for the poor.

miniature Chinese flags for all?

battries not included

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

miniature Chinese flags for all?

BEAT ME TO IT!

SugarHigh

Chinese immigrants don't come over here to avoid this policy they come to learn English and get a degree. I've talked to 2 of them about this and tbh there are so many ecceptions to the policy they don't care about it. I think the west just likes to get on it's high horse about china.

PanchoVilla

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

The rich can afford to support their children. The poor cannot. It's that simple.

More bullshít. Why is it that the poorest countries in the world have seen the largest population growth in the last 50 years? It doesn't cost a fortune to raise a child. This is nothing more than killing off the poor while the rich do what they like.

http://www.fi.edu/guide/hughes/images/pop-1a.jpg

Angron

thebigbiffo wrote: »

with people still starving in africa, and with bono on the loose, how can any of this post be true :eek:

Only Bono could do such good things, and yet still be a huge douche in everyones eyes.

Tiddlypeeps

PanchoVilla wrote: »

More bullshít. Why is it that the poorest countries in the world have seen the largest population growth in the last 50 years? It doesn't cost a fortune to raise a child. This is nothing more than killing off the poor while the rich do what they like.

http://www.fi.edu/guide/hughes/images/pop-1a.jpg

It doesn't cost a fortune to raise a child if you don't mind if that child grows up starving and without an education!

The poorest countries in the world are exactly that because of the large population growth. They do not have the resources to maintain population levels.

Shulgin

The world can only hold so many people and soon we will be at breaking point. It's about time that this topic was discussed openly and seriously.

People worry about their carbon footprints n all that, but not overpopulating the planet with excessive amounts of resource hungry human beings would go huge way to slow down our destruction of our planet.

BrokenArrows

PanchoVilla wrote: »

More bullshít. Why is it that the poorest countries in the world have seen the largest population growth in the last 50 years? It doesn't cost a fortune to raise a child. This is nothing more than killing off the poor while the rich do what they like.

http://www.fi.edu/guide/hughes/images/pop-1a.jpg

not using or affording contraceptives

kylith

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

A gender imbalance just means the population will be reduced all the faster. Especially because their are more males than females. Meaning they can remove the 1 child policy all the sooner.

That just means that they'll be in the same boat as Japan and France soon; begging people to have children. Then in another 2 generations or so they'll have to limit the number again, it's a ridiculous cycle.

PanchoVilla

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

we do not have the technology or the will, if we did there wouldn't be millions starving in Africa or Asia. As for other resources look at how long oil is predicted to last, look at how fast the Amazon is being cut down, look at how much the Caspian sea has shrunk, look at the total collapse of the north Atlantic fishing stocks etc.

The church policy should be opposed vehemently by every government with any sense too

We do have the technology, just not the will. According to this website, 18 million tons (£23 billion) of edible food ends up in the landfill.

http://www.foodawarecic.org.uk/food-waste-statistics.htm

Edit: All the depleting resources you listed have nothing to do with world population but everything to do with corporate greed and corruption.

AckwelFoley

Rabies wrote: »

As crazy as the one child per family policy is... I kinda agree.
I'd support means testing for families.

Can't afford the kids? Then why should child support pay towards your mistake.

The greatest irony i can think of are children.

Those who can least afford them tend to have the most.

Trampas

if you can afford a 2nd child in china you can have it.

Maybe we should follow their example and therefore cut the cost of running the country

Shulgin

PanchoVilla wrote: »

We do have the technology, just not the will. According to this website, 18 million tons (£23 billion) of edible food ends up in the landfill.

http://www.foodawarecic.org.uk/food-waste-statistics.htm

Edit: All the depleting resources you listed have nothing to do with world population but everything to do with corporate greed and corruption.

That's just the food. What about energy, clothing, cars, etc.. Where the hell is all the extra energy gonna come from? Especially with the decline of oil resources, and extremely slow uptake and development of alternative energies.

PanchoVilla

Shulgin wrote: »

The world can only hold so many people and soon we will be at breaking point. It's about time that this topic was discussed openly and seriously.

People worry about their carbon footprints n all that, but not overpopulating the planet with excessive amounts of resource hungry human beings would go huge way to slow down our destruction of our planet.

The U.S. has the highest consumption of resources in the world and also has the highest amount of waste. As I said, the myth of overpopulation has no basis whatsoever. It's all about allocation of resources.

Wibbs

PanchoVilla wrote: »

More bullshít. Why is it that the poorest countries in the world have seen the largest population growth in the last 50 years? It doesn't cost a fortune to raise a child. This is nothing more than killing off the poor while the rich do what they like.

http://www.fi.edu/guide/hughes/images/pop-1a.jpg

I wouldnt agree. It may be cheap enough to raise a child, but the cost for the world at large is huge, particularly in the third world. Too few resources and too many mouths to feed. Europe is actually showing a falling population. China is and has been trying to control this for a long time(if v dubiously at times). This is a good thing and it would be a better thing if the third world countries did similar. I can understand why they're firing them out like rabbits. Lack of contraceptive choices, traditional BS supporting having loads of kids, safety net for old age etc. It's not helping the world though and in the end as per usual and going on previous, the first world will end up paying for it.

thebigbiffo

PanchoVilla wrote: »

We do have the technology, just not the will. According to this website, 18 million tons (£23 billion) of edible food ends up in the landfill.

http://www.foodawarecic.org.uk/food-waste-statistics.htm

Edit: All the depleting resources you listed have nothing to do with world population but everything to do with corporate greed and corruption.

if i could teleport my unwanted food to africa i would - unfortunately i cant. so how do you propose i send the heal of my brennans bread and a block of kerrygold to somalia?

i'll agree it a f'uckin waste - but we're a developed country in a good climate that produces its own food and imports the rest with (you guessed it) money...its not so simple as going 'ohhh with the amount of waste food we throw out we could support the world'

Tiddlypeeps

kylith wrote: »

That just means that they'll be in the same boat as Japan and France soon; begging people to have children. Then in another 2 generations or so they'll have to limit the number again, it's a ridiculous cycle.

Japan and France never imposed a 1 child policy. The top heavy population pyramid they are experiencing is just what happens in prosperous countries. Emphasis is generally moved from family life to education and careers. The better educated a country is the less likely the people in it are to have big families.

PanchoVilla

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

It doesn't cost a fortune to raise a child if you don't mind if that child grows up starving and without an education!

The poorest countries in the world are exactly that because of the large population growth. They do not have the resources to maintain population levels.

They do have the resources but never see the benefits of those resources. Just look at all the oil producing countries in Africa and southeast Asia. Look at the DRC and the rest of mineral rich west Africa. These should be some of the wealthiest countries in the world but they're not. Why is that?

Mr McBoatface

PanchoVilla wrote: »

They do have the resources but never see the benefits of those resources. Just look at all the oil producing countries in Africa and southeast Asia. Look at the DRC and the rest of mineral rich west Africa. These should be some of the wealthiest countries in the world but they're not. Why is that?

Because they are idiots ?

sensibleken

This has Kill the poor by the Dead Kennedys going through my head

Cookie_Monster

PanchoVilla wrote: »

They do have the resources but never see the benefits of those resources. Just look at all the oil producing countries in Africa and southeast Asia. Look at the DRC and the rest of mineral rich west Africa. These should be some of the wealthiest countries in the world but they're not. Why is that?

you could say the exact same about us and the answer is the same. Corruption and incompetence and to a lesser degree debt burden and climate. Add in a few centuries of backward religious practices for good measure

what does this have to do with China's policy?

PanchoVilla

Wibbs wrote: »

I wouldnt agree. It may be cheap enough to raise a child, but the cost for the world at large is huge, particularly in the third world. Too few resources and too many mouths to feed. Europe is actually showing a falling population. China is and has been trying to control this for a long time(if v dubiously at times). This is a good thing and it would be a better thing if the third world countries did similar. I can understand why they're firing them out like rabbits. Lack of contraceptive choices, traditional BS supporting having loads of kids, safety net for old age etc. It's not helping the world though and in the end as per usual and going on previous, the first world will end up paying for it.

The third world has vast amounts of resources, they just don't see any of the benefits because western nations that depend on these resources would rather install a puppet dictator who sells his people into slavery. Just look at coltan mining in the DRC or Shell in Nigeria and other developing countries. Corruption and greed keeps these countries poor, not lack of resources. Afghanistan is sitting of trillions of dollars worth of lithium and other valuable minerals. You think the Afghanis will see a bit of that? Not with the U.S. in the country.

Cookie_Monster

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Because they are idiots ?

step 1 lots of resources
step 2 large cheap labour pool
step 3 ???
step 4 profit


They just haven't figured out step 3 yet is all, give them time

poncho000

PanchoVilla wrote: »

!@*$ China!! Seriously.

!@*$ you!! Seriously.

Have you ever even talked to a chinese person? They don't come here to "escape". 70% of chinese in Ireland are students, and eventually return home.

The reason this policy is in place is because if it wasn't, there would be millions more people living in poverty in China.

And another thing, the policy states that if i am a lonely child, and my partner is a lonely child, then we are allowed to have more than one child together. The situation in that video is extreme. Another western propoganda video if you ask me.

I know lots of middle class chinese people who have brothers and sisters and have more than one child themselves.

Tiddlypeeps

PanchoVilla wrote: »

They do have the resources but never see the benefits of those resources. Just look at all the oil producing countries in Africa and southeast Asia. Look at the DRC and the rest of mineral rich west Africa. These should be some of the wealthiest countries in the world but they're not. Why is that?

Explain to me how a country like Ethiopia or Niger have the resources to better themselves? Please suggest a way to end their poverty that doesn't involve limiting population growth?

Shulgin

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The third world has vast amounts of resources, they just don't see any of the benefits because western nations that depend on these resources would rather install a puppet dictator who sells his people into slavery. Just look at coltan mining in the DRC or Shell in Nigeria and other developing countries. Corruption and greed keeps these countries poor, not lack of resources. Afghanistan is sitting of trillions of dollars worth of lithium and other valuable minerals. You think the Afghanis will see a bit of that? Not with the U.S. in the country.

So would you be willing to balance it all out and seriously lower your western standard of living to make it more equal so these poor people can get out of poverty? Everyone in the world can't drive cars, go on skiing holidays, drink a loada pints down in the pub, or whatever us westerners get up to (on the very-cheap). The world can't sustain this sort of living for everyone.

We thrive on the inequalities of the world. Lucky we happen to be on this side of things eh?

PanchoVilla

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you could say the exact same about us and the answer is the same. Corruption and incompetence and to a lesser degree debt burden and climate. Add in a few centuries of backward religious practices for good measure

what does this have to do with China's policy?

It has to do with the poorest being forced to suffer while the wealthy can do whatever they like. Wealthy people in China can have as many children as they like while the poor are forced to have abortions. It has less to do with population control and more to do with a greedy, corrupt government.

senordingdong

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

The rich can afford to support their children. The poor cannot. It's that simple.

Well in this country the rich can afford to support their children.
The middle class struggle to afford their children.
And the lower class have the state supporting their children.

Eventually we'll be over run by knackers, not Chinese! :eek:

kylith

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Japan and France never imposed a 1 child policy. The top heavy population pyramid they are experiencing is just what happens in prosperous countries. Emphasis is generally moved from family life to education and careers. The better educated a country is the less likely the people in it are to have big families.

Oh, I know, apologies if I phrased it badly. I think my point still stands though; before too long China will have twice as many elderly as young people, and the generation after that they'll have an even larger ratio of elderly to young people (since there isn't parity of numbers between boys and girls so not every man will procreate), so that they will soon have to beg and incentivise people to have children, like the French and Japanese governments are having to do now, but for completely different reasons. Then they'll find themselves with an exploding population again and will have to again look at limiting the numbers of children born.

Sykk

up for anything wrote: »

You are disgusting.

Cool story, bro

PanchoVilla wrote: »

That's complete bullshít. What resources? Food? You know how much food is thrown out on a daily basis in the U.S.? You know how much fresh water is spoiled by multinational industries? Look at Shell in Nigeria for a start.

We have the technology to support many time more people than we have today. The myth of overpopulation is absolutely baseless and ridiculous. If we want to control the world's population, why don't we start with banning the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control and encouraging mothers to have as many children as possible.

Just reinforced the point that you have no idea what you're talking about. No one gives a shít about the CC anymore and haven't done for the past 10 years. It's a "policy" that doesn't exist.

Anyway:

Natural resources, water for one. Waste management along with too many other things that I can't be arsed to argue with you TBH.

Your opinion is based on some stupid youtube HR video. When you know anything about it, PM me and we'll have an intelligent discussion.

Tiddlypeeps

senordingdong wrote: »

Well in this country the rich can afford to support their children.
The middle class struggle to afford their children.
And the lower class have the state supporting their children.

Eventually we'll be over run by knackers, not Chinese! :eek:

I wasn't condoning the social welfare system in Ireland. I agree its a joke.