FEMALE sales executive position

ditchdigger

I came across an ad for a 'Female sale executive' on irishjobs.ie here

http://irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Female-Sales-Executive-Galway-6374348.aspx

I am under the impression that it is illegal to seek to fill a post with a specific gender. What government agency would deal with this matter?

mikemac

I used to think an executive was a senior corporate manager.
Nowadays anyone can be an executive or consultant it seems

socio

the fems would be up in arms if that said 'Male sales executive'. Brothers unite!

helimachoptor

Executive is pretty much the lowest rank on the corporate ladder, unless is preceeded by Chief and followed by Officer

dudara

Salary is €15 -25K plus generous commission, so hardly "executive" level.

It may be a job that requires a woman - hence the need for a female to fill the post. Or else they may need to fill a gender quota. Otherwise, I can't think of any other reason.

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ditchdigger wrote: »

I came across an ad for a 'Female sale executive' on irishjobs.ie here

http://irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Female-Sales-Executive-Galway-6374348.aspx

I am under the impression that it is illegal to seek to fill a post with a specific gender. What government agency would deal with this matter?

It's completely illegal. Equality Authority contact details here

bbam

My understanding is that if they have a compelling reason that the employee must be a woman then they are in their right to advertise it as such...

An example from my memory where employment law has supported this sort of thing was the position of a person to sell/fit Bra's in a large department chain..

gerrycollins

am I blind where does it say female unless they changed the ad after this thread

ps totally illegal

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gerrycollins wrote: »

am I blind where does it say female unless they changed the ad after this thread

ps totally illegal

They changed it, although it still says it in the URL of the page

NickDrake

Even if they have changed it , they job will not be offered to a man and they will still be open to a legal action if a male is suitable for the job and not offered it.

Very very foolish by the agency. Talk about leaving themselves open to an action .

gerrycollins

NickDrake wrote: »

Even if they have changed it , they job will not be offered to a man and they will still be open to a legal action if a male is suitable for the job and not offered it.

Very very foolish by the agency. Talk about leaving themselves open to an action .

interesting one becasue the agency are not the people hiring here its the comapny who are offering the job and the selection process is been done by the company offering the role.(I suspect)

At most the agency will lose out potential clients by their mistake. The company will get in trouble obviously because they will have briefed the agency that they are only looking for female applicants.

NickDrake

gerrycollins wrote: »

interesting one becasue the agency are not the people hiring here its the comapny who are offering the job and the selection process is been done by the company offering the role.(I suspect)

At most the agency will lose out potential clients by their mistake. The company will get in trouble obviously because they will have briefed the agency that they are only looking for female applicants.

My mistake. The company are leaving themselves open to a legal case. Even if they hire a female over a male they will still find it hard to defend it if a male who is perhaps more suitable is not given the job.

I am sure it happens on a regular basis but to put it on the interent for all to see is shocking behaviour.

fds

is it possible that the position is for female oriented sales? like "women's fashion".

i.e your target audience will be females?

either way, it is a stupid title.

NickDrake

fds wrote: »

is it possible that the position is for female oriented sales? like "women's fashion".

i.e your target audience will be females?

either way, it is a stupid title.

Yes that is possible but it is illegal to advertise it as female only. Should a female be more suitable then it is not illegal. But to advertise it in such a manner is.

That is my take on it anyway.

fds

NickDrake wrote: »

Yes that is possible but it is illegal to advertise it as female only. Should a female be more suitable then it is not illegal. But to advertise it in such a manner is.

That is my take on it anyway.

No, no i mean, in that sales role your target audience will be women. They probably never intended to make it sound like it was a role for only a female, but intended for it to say that the product is a female product but either gender can apply.

NickDrake

fds wrote: »

No, no i mean, in that sales role your target audience will be women. They probably never intended to make it sound like it was a role for only a female, but intended for it to say that the product is a female product but either gender can apply.

Perhaps but do you really think so? I am not sure.

gerrycollins

fds wrote: »

No, no i mean, in that sales role your target audience will be women. They probably never intended to make it sound like it was a role for only a female, but intended for it to say that the product is a female product but either gender can apply.

ah no

all job ads, even the one in your local shop window, needs to be proof read to ensure that no one is offended/worded correctly. This ad did just this.

Jim2007

ditchdigger wrote: »

I came across an ad for a 'Female sale executive' on irishjobs.ie here

http://irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Female-Sales-Executive-Galway-6374348.aspx

I am under the impression that it is illegal to seek to fill a post with a specific gender. What government agency would deal with this matter?

I live in a country (Switzerland) where it is legal to advertise for a "female under 25 worker" and I must say I prefer it when companies are allowed to advertise exactly what they were looking for, rather than wasting my time applying for jobs I would never be seriously consider for .

Jim.

gerrycollins

Jim2007 wrote: »

I live in a country (Switzerland) where it is legal to advertise for a "female under 25 worker" and I must say I prefer it when companies are allowed to advertise exactly what they were looking for, rather than wasting my time applying for jobs I would never be seriously consider for .

Jim.

you can do the same here however it just has to be worded correctly it cannot be generice like this ad is/was

nobeastsofierce

fds wrote: »

No, no i mean, in that sales role your target audience will be women. They probably never intended to make it sound like it was a role for only a female, but intended for it to say that the product is a female product but either gender can apply.

Unless the job actually involves the sale of women*, then it is still a terrible title

*IANAL: But I think this is also illegal

Jim2007

gerrycollins wrote: »

you can do the same here however it just has to be worded correctly it cannot be generice like this ad is/was

Here you can be very blunt about it, although race is not allowed, but the phrase "Swiss-German required" usually means they are not interested in foreigners.

There is also not concept on unfair dismissals, once an employer abides by the notice period, he is fully entitled to hire another person immediately to take your place! Oh and he does not have to give you a reason for it.

On the other hand it is illegal to give someone a bad reference, no matter what they have been up to

Jim

gerrycollins

Jim2007 wrote: »

Here you can be very blunt about it, although race is not allowed, but the phrase "Swiss-German required" usually means they are not interested in foreigners.

There is also not concept on unfair dismissals, once an employer abides by the notice period, he is fully entitled to hire another person immediately to take your place! Oh and he does not have to give you a reason for it.

On the other hand it is illegal to give someone a bad reference, no matter what they have been up to

Jim

Well unfair dismissals here just mean you cant (after 1 year) walk up to a member of staff and fire them giving them 2 weeks notice there has to be a legit reason or a programme of issues that you have tried to address and resolve.

as for the bad reference point I like it as an employee however there are ways and means of giving a bad reference here without saying the obvious.