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mikerowsopht

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

MrStuffins

What's this about Santa?

thebigbiffo

we just had a god thread. good stuff in there. maybe you should go look at it?

phasers

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales


I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

Lies make the baby jesus cry.

yoyo

It comforts some people in life to believe that theres an afterlife and that God etc created them and will help them when times are bad, I'm an atheist myself but if people find believing in God/Religion/church a way to get through life I don't have a problem with that and don't see why non believers have an attitude towards peoples beliefs like that either! Also, Santa/easter bunny etc are good things for kids and I'm sure plenty of atheist parents will celebrate such occasions for their kids minus the religious aspects

Nick

Duggy747

Ah, religous angst.

If someone wants to live their life seeking spiritual fulfilment then let them be, what's it to anyone else? I couldn't care less, the GF is into that spiritual babble but that's her choice, not mine. We might as well be asking why do the gays prefer their own genders :pac:

Why the hate for Santa? Makes Xmas all that more special when you're a kid and you don't find it odd that a guy comes down a chimney and leaves you gifts for no apparent reason.................though when you're told he doesn't exist it's like being shot

Still, it nice to think of a time when you had a more innocent view of how the world worked *sigh*

MrStuffins

yoyo wrote: »

Also, Santa/easter bunny etc are good things for kids and I'm sure plenty of atheist parents will celebrate such occasions for their kids minus the religious aspects

Nick

Atheist Parents?

Dude, you DO know that Atheists eat their own babies right?

thebigbiffo

yoyo wrote: »

Saint Nick

is that you?

trying to save yer own bacon i see

prinz

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

Do we really need yet another thread on this?

mikerowsopht

yoyo wrote: »

It comforts some people in life to believe that theres an afterlife and that God etc created them and will help them when times are bad, I'm an atheist myself but if people find believing in God/Religion/church a way to get through life I don't have a problem with that and don't see why non believers have an attitude towards peoples beliefs like that either! Also, Santa/easter bunny etc are good things for kids and I'm sure plenty of atheist parents will celebrate such occasions for their kids minus the religious aspects

Nick

Ahh, I respect their beliefs as well and am not dissing them.
Personally I don't see a difference between God and Santa / Easter Bunny.

The Parents lie to you for whatever... 10 -12 yrs maybe telling you there is an easter bunny & santa claus yet when you find out there isn't you're expected to continue to believe that there is a God when in reality all the parents have done is anchor the fact that if you don't see any evidence it doesn't exist, simple as that.

Why do people need to believe that there is an afterlife of eternal heaven. They sound to me like heavy drug addicts who are trippin

Basically when you die, you end up in a coffin or fire and the bugs eat your body until you have disappeared back to the earth.

There is no afterlife or soul / heaven or hell or eternal happiness

MrStuffins

prinz wrote: »

Do we really need yet another thread on this?

What Boards needs is a forum for discussions like this.

Perhaps an Atheism & Agnostisism forum? Perhaps even a Christianity forum?

I know it's a crazy idea but it just might work!

GavRedKing

Im going to guess this wont last to long.

In before the IBTL :rolleyes:

MrStuffins

mikerowsopht wrote: »

They sound to me like heavy drug addicts who are trippin

Oh no you di-int!!!

Duggy747

MrStuffins wrote: »

What Boards needs is a forum for discussions like this.

Perhaps an Atheism & Agnostisism forum? Perhaps even a Christianity forum?

I know it's a crazy idea but it just might work!

lol, you and your zany ideas..........whatever will you think of next, a Mustard forum?

Mindkiller

Am I the only one who finds the notion of eternal nothingness more comforting than eternal bliss?

The latter would get awful boring after a while.

Sykk

OPs cat got ran over, what God would let that happen...

yoyo

MrStuffins wrote: »

Atheist Parents?

Dude, you DO know that Atheists eat their own babies right?

Would totally believe it

thebigbiffo wrote: »

is that you?

trying to save yer own bacon i see

I seriously doubt I'm a Saint

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Ahh, I respect their beliefs as well and am not dissing them.
Personally I don't see a difference between God and Santa / Easter Bunny.

The Parents lie to you for whatever... 10 -12 yrs maybe telling you there is an easter bunny & santa claus yet when you find out there isn't you're expected to continue to believe that there is a God when in reality all the parents have done is anchor the fact that if you don't see any evidence it doesn't exist, simple as that.

Why do people need to believe that there is an afterlife of eternal heaven. They sound to me like heavy drug addicts who are trippin

Basically when you die, you end up in a coffin or fire and the bugs eat your body until you have disappeared back to the earth.

There is no afterlife or soul / heaven or hell or eternal happiness

Maybe I was lucky my parents didn't lie to me much about it when I was younger, school was another thing though! Forcing you to go to mass/do religion education etc... And it seems the "done thing" to get your child christened even though your not religious at all (and one can see why given how the church have such control over things like schools etc...). But I made my own mind up at a young age, and my parents were cool with it.
In saying that I'm not totally against religions, and I agree with what your saying God is comparable to Santa, thats how I see it, but if people want to see it differently, let them

Nick

orourkeda

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

Are people with religious beliefs stupid now?

curlzy

Ah come on OP, we get it, we really do. Of course Athesists find believing in god or gods to be absolutely nuts, (I know I do) but at the end of the day can you PROVE there's no god? Like religious people must find athesists nuts. Yeah it's frustrating when people live their lives (or try to get you to) according to a 2 thousand year old book written by an invisable man in the sky, or 1400 year old book or 600 year old book depending on the religion involved but there's no point getting upset about it. Everyone gets to chose what to believe in, while I might think that what they believe in is nuts they still have the right to believe it. As long as no one is shoving it down your throat or making it manditry then you shouldn't let it bug you.

mikerowsopht

orourkeda wrote: »

Are people with religious beliefs stupid now?

Yes

K-9

He was brilliant the first time at Liverpool. Best striker in the business.

His second coming was a bit of a let down though, but he is still worshipped at Anfield.

mikerowsopht

curlzy wrote: »

Ah come on OP, we get it, we really do. Of course Athesists find believing in god or gods to be absolutely nuts, (I know I do) but at the end of the day can you PROVE there's no god?

I cannot but can you prove that there is a God ? - no

If I told you that I saw a can of coke that was walking down the road and then told you that it exists but prove that it doesn't - you wouldn't be able to

thebigbiffo

orourkeda wrote: »

Are people with religious beliefs stupid now?

well, certain parts of a believers brain are genetically prog

ah f'uck this

yes..yes they are

curlzy

mikerowsopht wrote: »

I cannot but can you prove that there is a God ? - no

If I told you that I saw a can of coke that was walking down the road and then told you that it exists but prove that it doesn't - you wouldn't be able to

But that's my point, no one can prove anything one way or the other. We all have to choose what to believe in or not believe in. That's our right. So my point is: why worry about it?

tbh

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

lets see here, OP is:

-between 18-22
-Probably a college student
-Previously believed in God in a general sense
-probably has parents who go to mass, don't force him to go but would prefer if he did
-Recently read/saw Richard Dawkins on TV
-Has begun to understand parables as metaphors instead of literal stories
-recently came to the conclusion that there's probably no God and can't understand how he's the first one to come to this conclusion.

squod

Which of the current crop of theories on how man came to be does the OP believe, I wonder. Also, how old will he get before changing his mind and turning up at a church before he dies?

curlzy

tbh wrote: »

-between 18-22
-Probably a college student
-Previously believed in God in a general sense
-probably has parents who go to mass, don't force him to go but would prefer if he did
-Recently read/saw Richard Dawkins on TV
-Has begun to understand parables as metaphors instead of literal stories
-recently came to the conclusion that there's probably no God and can't understand how he's the first one to come to this conclusion.

I so LOL'd at the above. Totally describes me a few years ago.

ejmaztec

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Ahh, I respect their beliefs as well and am not dissing them.
Personally I don't see a difference between God and Santa / Easter Bunny.

The Parents lie to you for whatever... 10 -12 yrs maybe telling you there is an easter bunny & santa claus yet when you find out there isn't you're expected to continue to believe that there is a God when in reality all the parents have done is anchor the fact that if you don't see any evidence it doesn't exist, simple as that.

Why do people need to believe that there is an afterlife of eternal heaven. They sound to me like heavy drug addicts who are trippin

Basically when you die, you end up in a coffin or fire and the bugs eat your body until you have disappeared back to the earth.

There is no afterlife or soul / heaven or hell or eternal happiness

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Yes

When you find out the difference between dissing and not dissing, get back to us, because you seem to be more than a little confused.

Biggins

*sigh*

curlzy

Biggins wrote: »

*sigh*

*tut tut*

Snakeblood

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

Let people believe what they want as long as your freedom\rights aren't impinged. It might be wrong but people have been wrong about lots of stuff.

Except me, of course.

the purple tin

Why does it bother you so much what people believe in?
Live and let live.

old_aussie

I'll have to check this out with the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny rabbit.

raah!

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

What are you talking about? Atheists are obviously the persecuted minority.

Noodleworm

I'm agnostic
but I can see the appeal in religion.

Can't you see the appeal in thinking everything has a reason, there's a master plan for the world, that a divine being is looking out for you, and that when you die you'll go someplace better.

While I personally believe science and logic, If I had the blind faith to follow a religion Id probably be a much happier person.

If it turns out there definitely is a God, thats great.

biko

mikerowsopht wrote: »

God rant

Bold - the new caps lock.

Cookie_Monster

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

cos people are stupid/

Des Carter

mikerowsopht wrote: »

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

First off Jesus did actually exist so thats the main way we know hes not a fairy tale and we cant really say for God as no one can really describe God - some say hes a giant man in the sky to others hes a smile on a childs face and others would describe God as some sort of force like karma etc and so we really dont know what god is and so dont know if hes a fairy tale.

People believe for many different reasons some because they believe that there is more to life than just living and dieing and then nothing - others believe because the idea that the universe and all thats in it came to be by pure coincidence or chance is ridiculous and so it must have been created by something - others believe because of personal experiences near death experiences see themselves going to a light with dead relatives waiting for them etc, or if they witnessed an apparition like mary appearing in the sun at knock - Im sure there is more reasons but you get the point.

As for the church they shot themselves in the foot and people are loosing respect for them and turning against them but that is down to human failings and the people in the church becomming corrupt etc and so you can be critical of the church but still believe in a God.

Cat Melodeon

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Can you supply proof of this or are we just supposed have faith? I've certainly seen no evidence that people like you have more brains than people like my parents.

Chairman Meow

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

This is exactly the kind of militant atheist bull**** that gives atheists a bad name. Why should anyone with religious beliefs HAVE to explain anything to you as to why the believe in it?

would you respond if i DEMANDED you explain why the big bang MUST have created the universe?

Lets not forget a few hundred years ago the respected minds of the day thought if you sailed too far youd fall off the edge of the world and the sun revolved around the earth. Just because the great minds of modern day say that the earth mustve been created by nothing suddenly exploding, doesnt neccesarily mean theyre right.

I couldnt count the number of anti god threads ive seen on here, but i can tell you one thing ive never seen, anyone with a religious belief starting a thread crying how stupid atheism is and demanding atheists explain why the believe in nothing.

Some people beleive in nothing, some people belive in something, get the **** over it. Noone has to explain **** to you, find it out for yourself if youre so smart.

mossyc123

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

scientific1982

This **** has been done to death. Enough already.

Ste_D

Chairman Meow wrote: »

would you respond if i DEMANDED you explain why the big bang MUST have created the universe?

Stephen Hawkings wrote a very good book on the subject if youre interested!!

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Lets not forget a few hundred years ago the respected minds of the day thought if you sailed too far youd fall off the edge of the world and the sun revolved around the earth. Just because the great minds of modern day say that the earth mustve been created by nothing suddenly exploding, doesnt neccesarily mean theyre right.

Lets not forget that church repressed science and persecuted anyone who disagreed with their version of events. Galileo suggested that the earth was actually moving around the sun and then spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

Fratton Fred

mikerowsopht wrote: »

How Can ANYONE still believe this crap these days.

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Can I have a religious fanatic explain how to why they believe as I simply can't fanthom this at all.

Do you think with our generation having more brains than the last that the church will still be here in say 100 - 200 yrs times within Europe of course.

Less & less people go to church every year apparently and I know of no one from my age / generation that goes to church

I respect the fact that people believe this and am not interfering but just need somone to explain it to me why or how they believe

So you're right and billions and billions of people down the ages are wrong?

it is not just Christians that believe in God, there are quite a few Jews and Muslims that believe in the concept as well, you then have Hindus and Sikhs who believe in various gods of their own.

laugh

The majority of people don't really believe, we have spent billions on the worlds tallest buildings, CERN, the international space station etc etc, where in the world has any decent amount of money been spent on a basilica, cathedral, monument etc to any god in the last century?

ThisRegard

mikerowsopht wrote: »

What's the difference between God, Jesus Christ, Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy - they are all fairy tales

Joke fail. Look up 'difference' and 'in common', then try again.

Des Carter

Ste_D wrote: »

Lets not forget that church repressed science and persecuted anyone who disagreed with their version of events. Galileo suggested that the earth was actually moving around the sun and then spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

Are we talking about people believing in a "GOD" or are we talking about people following a religion and believing everything they say without question? because these are two very different things but Atheists just seem to put them together for some reason.

laugh

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So you're right and billions and billions of people down the ages are wrong?

it is not just Christians that believe in God, there are quite a few Jews and Muslims that believe in the concept as well, you then have Hindus and Sikhs who believe in various gods of their own.

Any what about the list of gods people believed in before the old testament, the new testament and the Qur'an?

The widespread use of writing is the reason billions people are grouped around these distinct religions, doesn't make them any less a load of crap?

Saila

stop shouting ffs.

tbh

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So you're right and billions and billions of people down the ages are wrong?

it is not just Christians that believe in God, there are quite a few Jews and Muslims that believe in the concept as well, you then have Hindus and Sikhs who believe in various gods of their own.

Numbers have nothing to do with it. Facts are not decided by a majority - I would have thought that you of all people would have agreed with that

Des Carter

Saila wrote: »

stop shouting ffs.

This isnt shouting - THIS IS SHOUTING -AND THIS IS SUPER-SHOUTING