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The 'Medium' test
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18-10-2010 7:58pm#1
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I dont know the nature of the afterlife, obviously I think there is one. Some mediums think its just like this life, with buses and everything. I dont hold to that belief.
All I know, and all I can ever try to do, is provide evidence of survival after death. So I tell you about the person you knew who has died, I try to give you evidence of them that I couldnt otherwise know, unless they are telling me. What they look like, personality, describe their house maybe, give names or dates sometimes. How they died, their age. Events from their life. Events from your life since they passed on. Its all such simple stuff, nothing extraordinary, no lottery numbers. Just the mundane things that make up a persons existence.
Many see mediums work and think they parrot what is whispered in their ear or something, I wish it were that simple. Its like a complicated game of mental charades, to get the information.
If I do convince you, then it allows the thought that the person must still exist somehow, in some kind of 'afterlife'. But Im not a religious zealot, and its not my job or concern, what you believe about such an afterlife.0 -
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yawha, I take no offense from your standpoint, quite the opposite in fact.
It is incredibly easy to convince people you are connected to a deceased person, too easy, in fact. As you mention, the facts of ordinary lives are incredibly common. Often when talking on this subject, I refer to 'generic grannys'. They are all the same, granny perm, small dog or cat, trouble coping in their latter years, suffered from breathing problems, Mary or Margaret a connection. If I get a link like that, there may be nothing incorrect in it but I know its useless as any kind of proof of connection, because its so common. It would be so easy to leave it at that and the recipient would be happy, but you shouldnt, because you would have failed in what you are trying to do. You need a unique factor to single this person out, like 'she learned to ski at 65'.
If you watch a demonstration, see how many people try to take a link. If its three or more, its a very weak generic description, and the medium will need to up his game if its to be a good and convincing link. Every medium wants the 'wow' factor, where you get info that is so unique and specific, the audience goes 'wow'. It means youve done a good job.
I dont want my mind to play tricks on anyone, or to fool myself into thinking Im doing something Im not. So I constantly analyse and question. Could I have known that already? Was that a lucky guess? I prefer to work with someone who wont just take what I say as gospel and is skeptical, than one who keeps going yes and nodding all the while, (some people would accept anything you say, I bloody hate that, I cant work like that).
I know I have a good imagination. I write short stories. All I can tell you about inside my mind, is that I see these people, Im not just thinking of things to say. If that is purely imagination, then I need to figure out what psychological mechanism is at work that allows me not just see but sense a lady's figure, demeanour, looks, personality and memories. To see where she lived and that she loved drinking pints. To tie all that together without really looking at the recipient for reassurance, just presenting it as a flow of information. For that to be instantly recognised by the recipient. I ask myself is this coincidence? Could just anyone have someone like that in their life which this fits?
Ive asked myself that a lot, and my conclusion is that somehow, its has to be real. This image in my mind of a larger than life lady was a real person, showing me real facts. It's not the generic grannys that have convinced me this is real, its the unusual characters, and the situations that Ive given without really understanding what I'm saying, and the recipient cries because it means so much to them.
Sometimes, its weak, and I think I got it screwed up, certainly. Sometimes the recipient imagines you said something you didnt, or gives you credit you didnt earn. But there are readings that happen where I feel immersed in another persons life, where the connection between the recipient, and the spirit person and me, can only be described as profound. That cant be described here, it can only be experienced or witnessed, but that is what convinced me this was not something just pulled from my psyche.
I have researched things like Barnum statements and cold reading, purely so I dont find myself doing them. I dont want to fool anyone, I dont want to fool myself.0 -
yawha, I take no offense from your standpoint, quite the opposite in fact.
It is incredibly easy to convince people you are connected to a deceased person, too easy, in fact. As you mention, the facts of ordinary lives are incredibly common. Often when talking on this subject, I refer to 'generic grannys'. They are all the same, granny perm, small dog or cat, trouble coping in their latter years, suffered from breathing problems, Mary or Margaret a connection. If I get a link like that, there may be nothing incorrect in it but I know its useless as any kind of proof of connection, because its so common. It would be so easy to leave it at that and the recipient would be happy, but you shouldnt, because you would have failed in what you are trying to do. You need a unique factor to single this person out, like 'she learned to ski at 65'.
If you watch a demonstration, see how many people try to take a link. If its three or more, its a very weak generic description, and the medium will need to up his game if its to be a good and convincing link. Every medium wants the 'wow' factor, where you get info that is so unique and specific, the audience goes 'wow'. It means youve done a good job.
I dont want my mind to play tricks on anyone, or to fool myself into thinking Im doing something Im not. So I constantly analyse and question. Could I have known that already? Was that a lucky guess? I prefer to work with someone who wont just take what I say as gospel and is skeptical, than one who keeps going yes and nodding all the while, (some people would accept anything you say, I bloody hate that, I cant work like that).
I know I have a good imagination. I write short stories. All I can tell you about inside my mind, is that I see these people, Im not just thinking of things to say. If that is purely imagination, then I need to figure out what psychological mechanism is at work that allows me not just see but sense a lady's figure, demeanour, looks, personality and memories. To see where she lived and that she loved drinking pints. To tie all that together without really looking at the recipient for reassurance, just presenting it as a flow of information. For that to be instantly recognised by the recipient. I ask myself is this coincidence? Could just anyone have someone like that in their life which this fits?
Ive asked myself that a lot, and my conclusion is that somehow, its has to be real. This image in my mind of a larger than life lady was a real person, showing me real facts. It's not the generic grannys that have convinced me this is real, its the unusual characters, and the situations that Ive given without really understanding what I'm saying, and the recipient cries because it means so much to them.
Sometimes, its weak, and I think I got it screwed up, certainly. Sometimes the recipient imagines you said something you didnt, or gives you credit you didnt earn. But there are readings that happen where I feel immersed in another persons life, where the connection between the recipient, and the spirit person and me, can only be described as profound. That cant be described here, it can only be experienced or witnessed, but that is what convinced me this was not something just pulled from my psyche.
I have researched things like Barnum statements and cold reading, purely so I dont find myself doing them. I dont want to fool anyone, I dont want to fool myself.
Some of your statements raise some questions, I'm trying my best to understand you, believe me but Its all so fuzzy, I would have thought that its faily cut and dry, If you've got some guy in a room and he wants to contact his dead mother and lets say you as a medium establish that his mother is in fact in the room trying to converse with him through you, I would have thought that it would be as simple as this: (Medium) Your mother deborah is here, her birth date is____, her mothers name is_____, her favorite colour/food/place to visit is______, she died of_____, on such a date in such a place, her message is...............but instead it seems as though there's a lot of guess-work involved, you said you often ask yourself 'was that a lucky guess?' surely if you really can communicate with the dead, you would never have to question yourself. If you get the mothers name or gender wrong its often said that someone else is trying to communicate but that guy specificaly went to you to contact his mother so where is she? Shopping? And if you (or any) mediums guesses aren't hitting home at all, you've all got some other excuse to fall back on, you can either do it or you can't, I don't understand all this grey area!0 -
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OMG you can actually see the cold reading in this. Hes gainingg all the info about his age and background so he can create a stroy for him.
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Ill look at it tomorrow. Had a feeling youd go looking for one of those two cos I mentioned them. Ive seen him work, and not cold read. But if I find a youtube of that, youll say its hot. As always, we remain on opposite sides of the fence based on what weve seen or experienced. I saw an otherwise genuine sounding guy do physical mediumship and to me it was all bogus and fake, while others loved it, so I guess I know what its like from your side too. I just dont think its all bogus based on that. 0
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