Rape in Bohermore [Mod Warning Post 38]

mike kelly

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/man-23-refused-bail-on-rape-charge-2383756.html

Thank goodness Judge Mary Fahy had the sense to deny this fellow bail. He must be kept locked up until this case comes to trial.

dolphin city

OMG - I was wondering what was going on on Saturday morning when I was heading to work - the place was all taped off with the men in the white overalls combing the place - horrific.

mike kelly

dolphin city wrote: »

OMG - I was wondering what was going on on Saturday morning when I was heading to work - the place was all taped off with the men in the white overalls combing the place - horrific.

where exactly did it happen?

GO_Bear

The corner there at hostys afaik

Stench Blossoms

Oh god that's horrible. I hope justice is served.

mike kelly

GO_Bear wrote: »

The corner there at hostys afaik

he tried to rape a woman along a main road with cars and pedestrians passing all night long? unbelievable!

Xiney

Defence solicitor Olivia Moylan told Judge Fahy that her client came from a very respectable family and was willing to abide by all bail conditions.

I'd never seen this before moving to Ireland. Why the fuck does it matter what kind of family scum come from?*



*yeah, I know this guy's innocent 'til proven guilty but it applies to every other time I've seen it as well

mike kelly

Xiney wrote: »

I'd never seen this before moving to Ireland. Why the fuck does it matter what kind of family scum come from?*



*yeah, I know this guy's innocent 'til proven guilty but it applies to every other time I've seen it as well

this is a very typical phrase in irish courts, it means the accused is from a middle class background

McTigs

Yeah that "respectable family" bull**** really winds me up as well.

Remember that poor kid that got kicked to death outside Anabels nightclub in dublin by four lads from "respectable south dublin rugby families".

Don't remember them doing life

Xiney

mike kelly wrote: »

this is a very typical phrase in irish courts, it means the accused is from a middle class background

And why on earth should it even matter?

dolphin city

Xiney wrote: »

I'd never seen this before moving to Ireland. Why the fuck does it matter what kind of family scum come from?*



*yeah, I know this guy's innocent 'til proven guilty but it applies to every other time I've seen it as well

its the Irish Class System. Depends on who daddy is. Rampant here in Ireland.

magentas

"She granted him legal aid after hearing that he only worked part time and had no other means"

would his respectable family not step in here and not have this scumbag burden the state financially as well as terrorising women in society?

Hope the woman is ok

mike kelly

Xiney wrote: »

And why on earth should it even matter?

there was a case of a young guy from a "respectable" family who sexually assaulted a 16 year old girl in Salthill a few years ago. The case came to court and was immediately postponed so many times that the victim said that her experience of the court system was worse than the assault itself. Can't remeber what the final sentence was, but it wasn't much.

twinkletoes06

I agree however, just because a family is respectable doesn't necessarily mean they have money. I hope the girl is doing well also.

PEACEBROTHER

why cant they name him or when will they name him

McTigs

<snipped speculation>

I hope the girl is doing ok, but i also hope she's brave enough to follow this through and get this prick locked up

snubbleste

This is all alleged. tbh I think the post above is letting tittletattle get out of hand.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Do NOT discuss or speculate as to the identity of either the victim or the accused until they have been named in the public media.

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Stench Blossoms

PEACEBROTHER wrote: »

why cant they name him or when will they name him

Innocent until proven guilty.

twinkletoes06

Prob something to do with the girl wanting anonymity (can't spell) or something like that! Usual reason when both parties are over 18

mike kelly

twinkletoes06 wrote: »

I agree however, just because a family is respectable doesn't necessarily mean they have money. I hope the girl is doing well also.

"respectable" in this context means that you have money. You never see anyone who is on the dole being described as coming from a respectable background

twinkletoes06

mike kelly wrote: »

"respectable" in this context means that you have money. You never see anyone who is on the dole being described as coming from a respectable background

But then why would he be granted free legal aid!! Sorry I just don't understand! Is it actually a legal term in Ireland?

mike kelly

twinkletoes06 wrote: »

But then why would he be granted free legal aid!! Sorry I just don't understand! Is it actually a legal term in Ireland?

I don't think it's actually an official legal term. As far as free legal aid is concerned, you can be accused of being a multi-millionaire criminal mastermind and still get free legal aid. It seems to be available to everyone except PAYE workers.

_Whimsical_

mike kelly wrote: »

"respectable" in this context means that you have money. You never see anyone who is on the dole being described as coming from a respectable background

I think it means that the person comes from a law abiding background and is regardless of their financial situation. It doesn't excuse any crime and shouldn't influence the punnishment obviously but it's hard to resent it being said in an instance like this where a family will probably be stigmatized for the actions of one member. It's horrific for the victim and a dreadful thing for the perpetrator to have done but it must be awful for his family too if they're "normal" people who are mindful of the law. Other than murder there could be nothing worse for someone in your family to do

GO_Bear

I heard he was denied bail ? can anyone confirm that.

At least there is still some hope for the Irish court system if it is true.

_Whimsical_

GO_Bear wrote: »

I heard he was denied bail ? can anyone confirm that.

At least there is still some hope for the Irish court system if it is true.

Yup that's true : http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/man-23-refused-bail-on-rape-charge-2383756.html

Just to clarify also, it was his solicitor that said he was from a respectable family and she did so in context of saying the family would post bail & ensure he'd abbide by the bail conditions.

mike kelly

GO_Bear wrote: »

I heard he was denied bail ? can anyone confirm that.

At least there is still some hope for the Irish court system if it is true.

That's what it says in the papers

GO_Bear

Well thats good,

Even if he was absolutely smashed drunk , hundreds of people get the same way every night in Galway, without incident. Lock the unstable scumbag up if you ask me !

mink_man

when did this happen??? and what time??

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

<snip>
This is the first time he (or any immediate family member) has ever been charged with anything afaik which is where the "from a decent background" thing came from. Heard that the mother (of the man) was in a very bad state at the couthouse.
While this may be a one-off offence from yer man I fully agree that he should recieve the harshest punishment possible. I think the Gaurds are pushing for life, which is what, 12 years? Not enough imo.
Not trying to be insensitive to the victims, but I do feel sorry for yer mans parents. They are good people from what I've heard.

PEACEBROTHER

not sure if this is against boards rules but if it isnt could someone pm me the name of who they think is involved

PopeBuckfastXVI

Please do not post details about the case, it may prejudice a jury trial.

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mike kelly

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Please do not post details about the case, it may prejudice a jury trial.

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Crazy that we have these kind of laws in Ireland. Naming suspects is not a problem in any continental country. It's about time that we completely changed our legal system.

mike kelly

THFC wrote: »

<snip>
This is the first time he (or any immediate family member) has ever been charged with anything afaik which is where the "from a decent background" thing came from. Heard that the mother (of the man) was in a very bad state at the couthouse.
While this may be a one-off offence from yer man I fully agree that he should recieve the harshest punishment possible. I think the Gaurds are pushing for life, which is what, 12 years? Not enough imo.
Not trying to be insensitive to the victims, but I do feel sorry for yer mans parents. They are good people from what I've heard.

Family background should not be an issue in any case. The well off plead that they come from good families and this should be taken into account as a mitigating factor. The poor plead that they come from dysfunctional families and have problems with alcohol (although they have been having treatment and are turning their lives around). Meanwhile the clock ticks and the $$$ roll in for the legal eagles.

Seriously, I could write half of the court reports in the galway advertiser without even attending court. That's how ludicrous the system is.

As far as the rapist is concerned, if he has the right social connections we are talking 4 years max.

Robbo

mike kelly wrote: »

Crazy that we have these kind of laws in Ireland. Naming suspects is not a problem in any continental country. It's about time that we completely changed our legal system.

Generally, rape suspects aren't named to protect the identity the victim. The victim can waive this right of they so choose.

We do have a pesky constitution that provides for a fair trial in due course of law but that's the kind of do-gooder, bleeding heart type of stuff that gets in the way of summary justice at the hands of the internet's finest vigilante minds. Shame really.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Robbo wrote: »

Generally, rape suspects aren't named to protect the identity the victim. The victim can waive this right of they so choose.

We do have a pesky constitution that provides for a fair trial in due course of law but that's the kind of do-gooder, bleeding heart type of stuff that gets in the way of summary justice at the hands of the internet's finest vigilante minds. Shame really.

I'd also imagine its to stop people from getting publicly blamed in the wrong, which would be a horrible mistake to make. I remember for the Manuela case yer man Barry was only 3rd on the list of suspects.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Thread will reopen in the morning, too much speculation, and too many reported posts to leave unattended overnight.

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PopeBuckfastXVI

OK the thread is now reopening.

Feel free to discuss anything that has been mentioned in the public media.

However, from now on there will be no speculation, no presumption of guilt and no case details mentioned, this is your one and only warning, bans will follow.

• Everyone has the right to a fair trial.
• Everyone has the right to a presumption of innocence.
• Every rape victim has the right to anonymity.

On top of that, I don't think there's any poster here that would like to think that something they write on boards, about this or any other case, could be used as a defence by a guilty person, who could claim they cannot be fairly tried due to public speculation and hearsay.

Again, I will remove the posting privileges of anyone who contravenes these directions.

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mike kelly

THFC wrote: »

I'd also imagine its to stop people from getting publicly blamed in the wrong, which would be a horrible mistake to make. I remember for the Manuela case yer man Barry was only 3rd on the list of suspects.

so there are two men in Galway who the Gardai consider more dangerous than Barry? The public has a right to know who they are!

Jelly2

mike kelly wrote: »

so there are two men in Galway who the Gardai consider more dangerous than Barry? The public has a right to know who they are!

That's undesirable. If they've never been convicted of anything, then you would potentially be tarring innocent men. Have the Gardai never been wrong in their suspicions of individuals?

mikemac

The judge said she was refusing bail for the reasons outlined by gardai and remanded the accused man in custody to appear at Harristown District Court on October 22.

Where in Ireland is Harristown? Kildare?

Badger2009

feelingstressed wrote: »

Where in Ireland is Harristown? Kildare?

Castlerea, Co. Roscommon. It's the court at the Prison.

Lapin

mike kelly wrote: »

Crazy that we have these kind of laws in Ireland. Naming suspects is not a problem in any continental country. It's about time that we completely changed our legal system.

Can you back that up ?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Jelly2 wrote: »

That's undesirable. If they've never been convicted of anything, then you would potentially be tarring innocent men. Have the Gardai never been wrong in their suspicions of individuals?

No, these men have been convicted of minor offences but the gardai think they may be capable of much worse. For every serious case, i.e. the manuela case, all detectives and senior gardai are asked to 'nominate' someone they think responsible, and for the manuela case Barry wasnt the top candidate. The gardai have an unofficial list of - who they think - are the dangerous people around galway. Obviously, they wouldn't reveal any names on this list.

Wompa1

THFC wrote: »

No, these men have been convicted of minor offences but the gardai think they may be capable of much worse. For every serious case, i.e. the manuela case, all detectives and senior gardai are asked to 'nominate' someone they think responsible, and for the manuela case Barry wasnt the top candidate. The gardai have an unofficial list of - who they think - are the dangerous people around galway. Obviously, they wouldn't reveal any names on this list.

I was thinking of this last week. I found out my neighbour had over 50 previous convictions, he didn't do anything to me and I wouldn't begrudge him living there but if I had known I might do things differently. Like ask to get a peep hole at the door instead of opening it without knowing, getting contents insurance, maybe get my mail sent to my parents address etc.

It would be nice to know...

Yes I am cynical.

mike kelly

Lapin wrote: »

Can you back that up ?

For example, Portugal and it's "arguidos" (offical suspects)

mike kelly

THFC wrote: »

No, these men have been convicted of minor offences but the gardai think they may be capable of much worse. For every serious case, i.e. the manuela case, all detectives and senior gardai are asked to 'nominate' someone they think responsible, and for the manuela case Barry wasnt the top candidate. The gardai have an unofficial list of - who they think - are the dangerous people around galway. Obviously, they wouldn't reveal any names on this list.

Not offically but they have methods of making a persons name known in this context such as making an arrest in the workplace (or somehwere else before witnesses). In the case of a person from a "respectable" family, they will do all they can to keep it under wraps.

twinkletoes06

I think you will find that this persons identity isn't the identity trying to be protected rather that of the victim who is entitled to privacy if that is what she wants. And the individual can still be convicted, sentenced and jailed. As long as he is off the streets I don't see why everybody needs to know who he is!! This girl wants privacy and given what she has been through already I think everyone should just let this drop and let justice take its course!

fernandovargas

mike kelly wrote: »

so there are two men in Galway who the Gardai consider more dangerous than Barry? The public has a right to know who they are!

im presuming that was becasue he was provided with an alibi by 2 of his familly which wer later retracted,loys of people suspected him as soon as it happened including me, he was known to be a sicko before manuela

dolphin city

why is manuela being brought into this conversation - that case has nothing to do with it - there is a lifetime of a difference (literally) between a murder and a serious assault - two completely different case and should not be linked at all in people's mind.

Robbo

mike kelly wrote: »

For example, Portugal and it's "arguidos" (offical suspects)

Yes, and that led to such a swift and robust conviction in the McCann case...

By no means do we have a perfect criminal justice system but for one would hate to see alleged rapists named against the wishes of the victim, solely to satisfy the prurient curiosity of a baying mob of internet ghouls.