Rooney not signing a new contract?

OPENROAD

SlickRic wrote: »

i've been away since this story broke really.

only a couple of things to say.

1) it's becoming increasingly apparent that Rooney is merely a typical, stereotypical greedy modern footballer. i shouldn't be at all surprised, but i'm honestly disappointed in him, and we'll know for sure what he's all about if he goes to City.

2) anyone now going down the 'ah, he wasn't that good anyway' line needs to get real. this is a huge blow to Utd, like it or not.

3) Fergie, as much i don't like admitting it, handled the press conference absolutely brilliantly, and managed to talk about the club in a great light, and put it, quite blatantly, as the most important thing in all of this, no matter how good the 'boy' is.

Utd will live another day. you ain't mid-table yet, and as long as Fergie is there, there's little-no chance of that happening. but i think PHB said it first; at no other time in recent memory have you needed some of that much lauded Fergie magic to rub off on the squad. if he manages to keep it all together, it'll be an almighty feat.

in the twilight of his career; Fergie is going to have to be at his absolute best.

Wouldn't be as confident.

SlickRic

OPENROAD wrote: »

Wouldn't be as confident.

i hope i'm wrong, believe me

davyjose

OPENROAD wrote: »

Wouldn't be as confident.

United will be grand, and Liverpool will be too, for that matter. Teams that build their reputation and fanbase over 40, 50, 60 years will always float to the top.

There's a Billionaire Boys' Club going on in England at the moment, and it's shaken the dynamics of how football normally works, but in time it'll settle.

Like I said, it seems more non-united fans, than united fans, are hitting the panic button!

NekkidBibleMan

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Pique, Rooney and Ronaldo? None of them were products of the academy, though...

None of the big English academies are producing players like they used to. Dunno if that's down to the 90 minute rule, lack of investment or an increase in foreign players, but I reckon it will be a long time before we see another "golden generation" emerge from an English academy.

*Plays Arsenal card

OPENROAD

davyjose wrote: »

United will be grand, and Liverpool will be too, for that matter. Teams that build their reputation and fanbase over 40, 50, 60 years will always float to the top.

There's a Billionaire Boys' Club going on in England at the moment, and it's shaken the dynamics of how football normally works, but in time it'll settle.

Like I said, it seems more non-united fans, than united fans, are hitting the panic button!

People Said Ireland plc would be fine

I do take your point regarding how football is working now, but looking at the Utd team, it is not beyond the possibility that they could miss out on CL football in the nxt couple of years, which could cause them trouble, just like I think it will be some time before Liverpool might get back in the CL.

Lukker-

I pitied Ferguson during that interview, something I can say I don't think I've ever even come close to doing before. It was almost cringy, certainly the most vulnerable and open I've seen him in a long time. I'm not sure if it was an act or not, but if it was he certainly got me..

davyjose

Papa Smut wrote: »

*Plays Arsenal card

Not a dig, but I'm genuinely interested to know how many of Arsenal's players have come from their youth team? Wilshere & Gibbs are all i can think of. excuse my ignorance.

davyjose

Lukker- wrote: »

I pitied Ferguson during that interview, something I can say I don't think I've ever even come close to doing before. It was almost cringy, certainly the most vulnerable and open I've seen him in a long time. I'm not sure if it was an act or not, but if it was he certainly got me..

hmmm, i only saw some of it, and he was very, very open. But he's known about this for a few months, it was a planned speech, and it's possibly the most media savvy man in football.

I think he got you.

Certainly, i think any perceived vulnerability was an illusion. I've seen a lot of interviews with ferguson and i'm yet to see him break down. i'm pretty sure if he needed a shoulder to cry on, he wouldn't turn to the world media.

BERBA

not many players have come through arsenal academy if truth be told, i can only think of 2 , wilshere and gibbs , 5 years without a trophy says it all tbh

killwill

baz2009 wrote: »

I think Bebe did actually play in the Homeless WC and that's where his first semi-pro team scouted him.:o

Nope, that was made up by the media.
He was not homeless, he was/is an orphan. He lived in the orphanage, not on the streets.

OPENROAD

BERBA wrote: »

not many players have come through arsenal academy if truth be told, i can only think of 2 , wilshere and gibbs , 5 years without a trophy says it all tbh

Indeed, would much rather be in Utds current position at this time

kryogen

Bébe has taken some serious shít since his arrival unfairly.

BERBA

OPENROAD wrote: »

Indeed, would much rather be in Utds current position at this time

who mentioned united?

OPENROAD

BERBA wrote: »

who mentioned united?

I did

K-9

The Muppet wrote: »

It's bull**** most of which has already been proved so, It's not really worth disecting but....

Ticket Prices FFS Fans moaning about paying the market price for their Tickets and complaining at a lack of funding in teh same breath are clueless about the economics of business IMHO.

What were they to do with Ronaldo Lock him up at OT? he wanted to go for mega buck deals there was nothing United could do about It, Rooney will be the same. P

OMG :eek: we're third just over two months into the season, It's a catastrophy isn't it

A football club run like a business, Shock

What's these massive fees glazers have paid themselves?

Still on about the Pik's ignoring the fact they are not secured against the Club.


Its the same scaremongering crap that has been going on for the past year but on the plus side it's only a minorty of fans that believe it, Anyone that has taken the time to look at the complete picture know the picture is nowhere near as bleak .

You can't keep losing quality players like Ronaldo and Rooney and not replace them properly.

This scenario should ring a bell for you, it really, really should, considering your passing interest in Liverpool. PHB isn't far of the money (or lack of).

One thing is for sure, the party line is definitely not the truth.

Jesus Wept

Good for him.

BERBA

OPENROAD wrote: »

I did

don't understand why? when post was about arsenal

m@cc@

Jose Mourinho wrote: »

"He probably wants to leave for some reasons, but I believe he belongs to Man Utd, he belongs to Man Utd fans, he belongs to Old Trafford.
"I believe he is going to stay
"But if at the end of day Man Utd decides that he is to leave, give me a call."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6454738,00.html

Good man, Jose. As futile as it probably is.

allthedoyles

Rooney will probably go to Spain or Italy - a good player , but he has a problem ..................

and it is in his pants .

He ain't able to handle the British Media , they follow him everywhere .

He needs to go to a country where he can live in relative obscurity and where he can receive attention to detail without hindrence .

A huge signing-on fee should help him to pay for his extravagant lifestyle .

And he might play the odd football match as well .

No player is ever going to be allowed to become bigger than Manchester United , - This can be verified by many ex MU players .

Its well known that an athlete should always make the back pages of the newspapers .

When athletes are on the front pages its is usually their dowfall

davyjose

davyjose wrote: »

Not a dig, but I'm genuinely interested to know how many of Arsenal's players have come from their youth team? Wilshere & Gibbs are all i can think of. excuse my ignorance.

Wilshire signed at 9 (no chance at having barca DNA then :pac:)
Fabregas signed at 16
Traore signed at 16
Bendtyner signed at 16 (I didn't realise that!)
Chesney signed at 16
Walcott signed at 16
Djourou signed at 16
Vito Mannone at 17
Gibbs signed at 17
Song signed at 18
Denilson signed at 18
Ramsey signed at 18
Vela signed at 18
Clichy signed at 18

So, That's 7 that signed 16 or younger, 2 aged 17 and 5 aged eighteen.

I didn't go in to the reserves/youth teams either. Out of 27 players in our first team, 14 signed 18 years or younger.

(But if you want some names for the youth.reserve team)
Lansbury 16
Jay Emmanuel Thomas, 16
Mark Randall, 16
Sunu, 16
Eastmond, 16
Sanchez Watt,16
Shea, 16
Frimpong, 16
Henderson, 16

All these players are hotly tipped and should go to make their mark on Arsenal, if not sold to other top tier teams.

I'd say that's fairly indicative of having a successful youth policy.

davyjose

allthedoyles wrote: »

Rooney will probably go to Spain or Italy - a good player , but he has a problem ..................

and it is in his pants .

He ain't able to handle the British Media , they follow him everywhere .

He needs to go to a country where he can live in relative obscurity and where he can receive attention to detail without hindrence .

A huge signing-on fee should help him to pay for his extravagant lifestyle .

And he might play the odd football match as well .

No player is ever going to be allowed to become bigger than Manchester United , - This can be verified by many ex MU players .

Its well known that an athlete should always make the back pages of the newspapers .

When athletes are on the front pages its is usually their dowfall

He'll be a city player in 6 months. In his head, he already is a city player.

davyjose

Papa Smut wrote: »

So, That's 7 that signed 16 or younger, 2 aged 17 and 5 aged eighteen.

That's not what i asked.

eagle eye

Papa Smut wrote: »

Wilshire signed at 9 (no chance at having barca DNA then :pac:)
Fabregas signed at 16
Traore signed at 16
Bendtyner signed at 16 (I didn't realise that!)
Chesney signed at 16
Walcott signed at 16
Djourou signed at 16
Vito Mannone at 17
Gibbs signed at 17
Song signed at 18
Denilson signed at 18
Ramsey signed at 18
Vela signed at 18
Clichy signed at 18

So, That's 7 that signed 16 or younger, 2 aged 17 and 5 aged eighteen.

I didn't go in to the reserves/youth teams either. Out of 27 players in our first team, 14 signed 18 years or younger.

(But if you want some names for the youth.reserve team)
Lansbury 16
Jay Emmanuel Thomas, 16
Mark Randall, 16
Sunu, 16
Eastmond, 16
Sanchez Watt,16
Shea, 16
Frimpong, 16
Henderson, 16

All these players are hotly tipped and should go to make their mark on Arsenal, if not sold to other top tier teams.

I'd say that's fairly indicative of having a successful youth policy.

Can you give me a list of the youths that didn't make it to the first team. I would imagine it would be quite a large list.

Pro. F

Woohoo Muppet is back talking about finances

The Muppet wrote: »

Ticket Prices FFS Fans moaning about paying the market price for their Tickets and complaining at a lack of funding in teh same breath are clueless about the economics of business IMHO.

Market price tickets would be fine if the Glazers would keep their promise about net investment in the transfer market. They aren't keeping their promise and, in fact, our net spend is low. I'm open to correction on this.

The Muppet wrote: »

A football club run like a business, Shock

In principle it might not be a problem. It all depends on how much money they give to the fans in terms of ticket prices and investment in the team. So far they have been poor on this.

The Muppet wrote: »

Still on about the Pik's ignoring the fact they are not secured against the Club.

Still ignoring the fact that them not being secured against the club isn't important? You do realise that what they are secured against only becomes important if they are defaulted on?

The Glazers are responsible of the PIKs. The Glazers own Manchester United. As I've said to you before, it's a simple link. Trying to deny that the payment for the PIKs is a valid concern for United fans is idiotic. Also, lets not forget that the Glazers themselves restructured Manchester United's finances in such a way so as to allow money made by the club to be moved up to the holding company where the PIKs are.

I imagine you will ignore these arguments as usual.

Cool. I would put anyone under 18 in a youth team. I got that info from the site as when they joined Arsenal. As so many of them say 16, I would hazard that Arsenal only count it from when they sign professional contracts, Like JET who has been at Arsenal since he was 7.

What do you want?

kryogen

Papa Smut wrote: »

Wilshire signed at 9 (no chance at having barca DNA then :pac:)
Fabregas signed at 16
Traore signed at 16
Bendtyner signed at 16 (I didn't realise that!)
Chesney signed at 16
Walcott signed at 16
Djourou signed at 16
Vito Mannone at 17
Gibbs signed at 17
Song signed at 18
Denilson signed at 18
Ramsey signed at 18
Vela signed at 18
Clichy signed at 18

So, That's 7 that signed 16 or younger, 2 aged 17 and 5 aged eighteen.

I didn't go in to the reserves/youth teams either. Out of 27 players in our first team, 14 signed 18 years or younger.

(But if you want some names for the youth.reserve team)
Lansbury 16
Jay Emmanuel Thomas, 16
Mark Randall, 16
Sunu, 16
Eastmond, 16
Sanchez Watt,16
Shea, 16
Frimpong, 16
Henderson, 16

All these players are hotly tipped and should go to make their mark on Arsenal, if not sold to other top tier teams.

I'd say that's fairly indicative of having a successful youth policy.

So how many players actually came through the youth team? i dont mean signed at 16, i mean brought to the club at age 14 or younger? And actually learned the game at the club rather then like, say, Fabregas who learned his stuff at Barca then came and put it to great use at Arsenal

davyjose

Papa Smut wrote: »

I'd say that's fairly indicative of having a successful youth policy.

You've basically named a list of players arsenal have signed while they were kids. You also changed the terminology from "academy" to "youth policy". I'll admit it's pretty good work by Wenger, but I'll remind you what your original, grotesquely smug "plays Arsenal card" comment was in response to:

None of the big English academies are producing players like they used to.

OPENROAD

BERBA wrote: »

don't understand why? when post was about arsenal

Thought it would be pretty obvious but seems that it is not so I will explain.

You made the comment that Arsenal had not won anything for a five year period. We have been unable to compete in the transfer market against the likes of Utd due to the stadium move and also because the club rather than going further into debt paying over the top transfer fees for players have decided to be more prudent and instead have concentrated on developing the youth players that exist at Arsenal.

So while Arsenal may not have won anything for five years, they have built a new stadium, developed a great bunch of young players,it takes time for players to develop, so yes we have not won anything, but we play some of the best football in the league, have a sell out stadium for basically all our home matches, a huge season ticket waiting list, have successfully sold the apartments at the old Highbury despite the economic climate, plans to further develop the area around The Emirates, comfortably paying off our debt.

OPENROAD

kryogen wrote: »

So how many players actually came through the youth team? i dont mean signed at 16, i mean brought to the club at age 14 or younger? And actually learned the game at the club rather then like, say, Fabregas who learned his stuff at Barca then came and put it to great use at Arsenal

Bit harsh that, would say Cesc has learnt a great deal at Arsenal, he was hardly the finished product when he arrived.

BERBA

OPENROAD wrote: »

Thought it would be pretty obvious but seems that it is not so I will explain.

You made the comment that Arsenal had not won anything for a five year period. We have been unable to compete in the transfer market against the likes of Utd due to the stadium move and also because the club rather than going further into debt paying over the top transfer fees for players have decided to be more prudent and instead have concentrated on developing the youth players that exist at Arsenal.

So while Arsenal may not have won anything for five years, they have built a new stadium, developed a great bunch of young players,it takes time for players to develop, so yes we have not won anything, but we play some of the best football in the league, have a sell out stadium for basically all our home matches, a huge season ticket waiting list, have successfully sold the apartments at the old Highbury despite the economic climate, plans to further develop the area around The Emirates, comfortably paying off our debt.

not obvious to me coz i've no interest in utd , im more interested in how modric bale lennon and co get on in the san siro tomorrow night:D