who is behind the councils reluctance in letting Tesco come to Kilkenny

foxcoverteddy

Who is behind the council's reluctance in letting Tesco come to Kilkenny, when at least 70% of the electorate want it, who controls who, lets have a referendum

catbear

I believe Malcom Noonan is the spearhead.

Where did you get this 70% figure, I wasn't asked and I haven't heard of any survey. Produce a link or something backing this up or frig off.

linny

maybe we should have a poll and see who wants tesco in kilkenny

Dr.Sanchez

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Who is behind the council's reluctance in letting Tesco come to Kilkenny, when at least 70% of the electorate want it, who controls who, lets have a referendum

70% of them want cheaper margarine...

Our man in Havana

It is the Dunnes Stores/Supervalu cartel that don't want them.

catbear

So is Malcom funded by Dunnes etc to object to competition?

Our man in Havana

Who knows?

road_high

catbear wrote: »

So is Malcom funded by Dunnes etc to object to competition?

Yea, I read this loon saying lately on the paper KK had "more than enough supermarkets". Compared to any town of it's size KK lacks at least a Tesco and ALDI. Just because it doesn't fit with his own ideologies doesn't mean the rest of us should be deprived of choice or have to pay more.

thetonynator

this lot and this lot and maybe this lot too


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up for anything

thetonynator wrote: »

this lot and this lot and maybe this lot too


:pac:

Thanks for that. Now I can sort out my online shopping without having to search for links. You forgot Eurospar though.

Firetrap

Much as I'd like to see a Tesco in Kilkenny, I reckon the boat has been missed on this one. Sure, it would be great to have some badly needed jobs but is there really enough money floating around to support another supermarket?

foxcoverteddy

:rolleyes:

catbear wrote: »

I believe Malcom Noonan is the spearhead.
As you are aware no one is carrying out a poll, but it is the same as I can tell you 20% of the population or thereabouts is left handed, no poll, ask and you will find, with shopping unless you have had the Tesco experience then you have no idea, and as the shoppers in Kilkenny can't ubnless they are prepared to travel one goes about assessing it in another way, ask people read the boards people are not happy with what we have in Kilkenny, that is why both Aldi and Lidl are increasing there customer percentages, saying find a link or frig off is not very helpfull is it, put it this way everyone I know who goes to Tesco say if only we had one in Kilkenny, I have friends who are english and they tell us about ASDA and Morrisons, we have been ripped off we thought L &N was the bees knees,
ever tried shopping in Costcutter or Londis or Mace, do some homework and you will find my figure is low, but thanks anyway
Where did you get this 70% figure, I wasn't asked and I haven't heard of any survey. Produce a link or something backing this up or frig off.

Asphyxia

Kilkenny is the only county in Ireland that doesn't have a Tesco it's crazy. Tesco would be brilliant in Kilkenny

catbear

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Foxy, could you fix your last post as you've mixed up my your response with my quote. Tah.

By the way, I'd rather lose one Dunnes to gain a Tesco but I do hate people pulling out statistics without supplying a source. Making up numbers is Fianna Fail and the Greens responsibility and see what it's done for them. Sorry if my phrase was uncouth but my frustration with bull****ters is at a low.

If you wish to fight for change you must establish some creditability and perhaps starting your own "Tesco for Kilkenny" poll is a good start.

Your English friends might also tell you that voluntary consumer groups are very active in Britain and they too started small before they got clout!

Best of luck.

kkmick

Can someone tell me what the advantage it would be to have tesco in kilkenny? I work in carlow a good bit and often drop in, but except for special offers i cant see the attraction!! many items i usually buy in dunnes i find to be more expensive (brand names) and in fairness tesco value range is more often than not absolute dirt!!

mousehouse

On average for a Tesco Extra store which is what they would plan to build in Kilkenny they employ on average 236 people i am sure people in Kilkenny would love one of those jobs which are much needed. I travel weekly to Clonmel to shop in Tesco and have often meet people from Kilkenny I also know many of my friends who live in callan and surrounding areas who travel to Clonmel or Carlow to shop. I spend 200 - 250 weekly on groceries etc in Tesco Clonmel wouldnt that money be better spent in Kilkenny and for Tesco to buy local produce which they do despite what Malcom Noonan says. Apart from that Kilkenny peple should have choice if other businesses such as supervalu, dunnes etc were offering true valu they wouldnt mind tesco coming into the market. You do have to ask what is Kilkenny the only county without one are the simply not willing to pay big brown envelopes or whats the story.

femur61

mfitzy wrote: »

Just because it doesn't fit with his own ideologies doesn't mean the rest of us should be deprived of choice or have to pay more.

Is this consistant in all of the green party. John Gormley has brought through some policies based on his Dublin 4 life .

thetonynator

mousehouse wrote: »

On average for a Tesco Extra store which is what they would plan to build in Kilkenny they employ on average 236 people i am sure people in Kilkenny would love one of those jobs which are much needed. I travel weekly to Clonmel to shop in Tesco and have often meet people from Kilkenny I also know many of my friends who live in callan and surrounding areas who travel to Clonmel or Carlow to shop. I spend 200 - 250 weekly on groceries etc in Tesco Clonmel wouldnt that money be better spent in Kilkenny and for Tesco to buy local produce which they do despite what Malcom Noonan says. Apart from that Kilkenny peple should have choice if other businesses such as supervalu, dunnes etc were offering true valu they wouldnt mind tesco coming into the market. You do have to ask what is Kilkenny the only county without one are the simply not willing to pay big brown envelopes or whats the story.

Tesco is one of the main reasons farmers in ireland have to be subsidised so heavily. They buy local produce, yes, but at such a low price its not viable to produce it and the eu have to intervene to ensure people continue to produce food.

JohnC.

Why blame Tesco? These subsidies were being paid long before Tesco operated here.

foxcoverteddy

I was opposed to Tesco coming to Callan because of the small shop keepers and Supervalu, but look the small shop keepers charge over the top, it might be said they have to, and as for the supermarket, best left out. We shop in Clonmel sometimes Carlow or even New Ross and we also get Tesco on line delivery every week, how nice it would be to spend that money in Kilkenny, as usual it is rip off Kilkenny with it's high priced farmers market. Malcolm get off your high horse we are not all as rich as you, and as for the comment about farmer's the so called Irish stores don't even buy Irish, French Scottish Dutch so come off it, live in our world where every penny counts

Captain Havoc

There's a contradiction there, on the one hand you want the farmers market selling Irish produce to stop operating and on the other you're complaining about Irish shops selling foreign produce. If the people want to over pay for products in a farmers market, surely that's their choice. No business should be forced into selling at a certain price, that's anticompetitive.

catbear

Foxy, Malcolm's Green politics may be compromised by their incompetence but monetary greed was never their aim, that's FF, FG, IFA, etc...

The Greens goal is ideological which is far more dangerous as they'll condone unfettered greed, as with the cover job that is NAMA and the bank guarantee, in order to achieve their ideals. Remember Mary White telling us a year and a half ago that we have to move on and Sue Nunn just lapped it up. No one is lapping it up now. It's still with us and we are now paying other peoples gambling debts of the property bubble.

And Foxy, without competition shops will charge whatever you are willing to pay. Whether you grumble or not, it matters not to them as long as you protect them by opposing competition. You are your own worst enemy.

Only you can protect you from yourself! If you're every penny did matter, then you'd welcome Tesco.

linny

put your view to the council https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGVJdS1oc0t6YmtoVHAzVE9HMWRRb0E6MQ

misterdeeds

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Who is behind the council's reluctance in letting Tesco come to Kilkenny, when at least 70% of the electorate want it, who controls who, lets have a referendum

ssshhhhhh this is top secret but i know from my sources that a certain supermarket makes donations to the local council every year to assist the local infastructure now this supermarket cant b named by me for obvious reasons but i might leave a little clue for everyone here
think of a breed of dog

t63m

misterdeeds wrote: »

ssshhhhhh this is top secret but i know from my sources that a certain supermarket makes donations to the local council every year to assist the local infastructure now this supermarket cant b named by me for obvious reasons but i might leave a little clue for everyone here
think of a breed of dog

"Dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi..."

Come on!

All. Council accounts are audited and available for inspection-
So I suggest you and your source go up to the Garda station and give them the information you have. If nothing comes of it on inspection you have nothing to fear, However making wild insunations against "the local authority" will only get you and your source involved in some serious legal issues.

foxcoverteddy

well thanks to all of you what a magnificent response, so if there is a brown envelope involved how does it go through the council books, we have too long to wait for an election, suggestions as how we can rattle this mob in John st to doing something, we now get a regular weekly visit from tesco and they appreciate the extra jobs home delivery gives, perhaps we can carry this on many thanks foxy

bloopy

Foxcoverteddy - Do you work for Tesco?

catbear

I'm inclined to think that Tesco may no longer be interested in Kilkenny. Surely with two lidls and an Aldi opening soon, any market share would be diluted further. I think Kilkenny may have missed the Tesco boat. Unless Dunnes go bust.

Our man in Havana

Unless Dunnes go bust.

We can only hope.

Mr Magners

Haddockman wrote: »

We can only hope.

And lose thousands of jobs around the country?

Our man in Havana

The country is fecked anyways. I personally despise everything Dunnes stands for.

Mr Magners

Haddockman wrote: »

The country is fecked anyways. I personally despise everything Dunnes stands for.

And 16,000 more on the dole wouldn't make a difference?:rolleyes:

http://www.dunnesstores.ie/page.php?pid=18

foxcoverteddy

bloopy wrote: »

Foxcoverteddy - Do you work for Tesco?

nice thought but no such luck, I would have supported sainsbury, morrisons or even Asda, you might wonder the reasoning behind this, well for year Ireland yhas been well known for dear groceries ijn fact stupid priced grocery, along came Tesco and down came prices, from the adds one would think the store with the big dog was responsible, then there is superquinn no hepl there and the truly Irish store from Cork, joke, try shopping in our nearest store from ninemilehouse, Callan itis so badly stocked, so thats the reason, Tesco also would probably do more for irish jobs, so support Ireland is Tesco your bhest bet?

BambooBob

If Tesco were to come to KK city where do people envisage it opening. If it were the old Cattle Mart site I could envisage traffic chaos. I personally believe that between Dunnes, and particularly Aldi & Lidl KK is well catered for in the cheap cheap food sector. Are Tesco that wonderful? The jobs arguement though well meant is hogwash. If Tesco were to open then they would put as many out of business and cause subsequent unemployment probably equal to what they create. Why do people have such a gra for Tesco? The likes of Tesco et al ultimately eliminate or reduce the choice of shopping alternatives as we know them. I feel it is a great shame that M & S didn't get into McDonagh Junction. Another Dunnes was not needed.

Our man in Havana

Dunnes have a dominant position in KK which many people hate. So what they provide employment, they do not provide choice for the customer. Tesco would at least break the unhealthy hold Dunnes has over the city and county.

BambooBob

Ultimately Haddockman the likes of Tesco eliminate choice by driving fellow retailers out of business and hence loss of jobs. Don't get me wrong I hold no particular gra for Dunnes. You can pretty much get in Dunnes or Aldi or Lidl what you can get in Tesco save non food items in some circumstances. I appreciate that you can't do a weekly shop in M & S, through cost and lack of range but they offer something different food wise and something a little better in quality than the run of the mil supermarket. Are Tesco percieved as cheaper, better range or what. What is the big attraction. Someone please explain.

Captain Havoc

keithj75 wrote: »

Ultimately Haddockman the likes of Tesco eliminate choice by driving fellow retailers out of business and hence loss of jobs. Don't get me wrong I hold no particular gra for Dunnes. You can pretty much get in Dunnes or Aldi or Lidl what you can get in Tesco save non food items in some circumstances. I appreciate that you can't do a weekly shop in M & S, through cost and lack of range but they offer something different food wise and something a little better in quality than the run of the mil supermarket. Are Tesco percieved as cheaper, better range or what. What is the big attraction. Someone please explain.

It's about choice, I work in Carlow and you can just get different stuff in Tesco, maybe they'll have a special on and you'll pick up something.

catbear

keithj75 wrote: »

Ultimately Haddockman the likes of Tesco eliminate choice by driving fellow retailers out of business and hence loss of jobs.

This does not make sense. Tesco creates jobs to compete with their rivals and the field adjusts. Having two Dunnes and no Tesco is no choice in Kilkenny so I don't know why you'd support this large store monopoly.

I still don't think Tesco will be bothered unless it can get a site where it can have a filling station too.

BambooBob

Catbear Tesco opening will create employment. But the adjustment to which you refer equals jobs being lost. Also Tesco's rip the heart out of town centres wherever they go. I work in both KK and Athlone. In Athlone when Tesco driven Golden Island Shopping Centre was built it destroyed the vibrancy of the main street to the point where visitors wonder where the main street acutally is. The street hasn't recovered. Tralee and Tullamore are two more cases in point. What kind of society do we want. Do we want our town centres to be lifeless during the day. It is incredibly naieve to see Tesco as some panacea to the problem of unemployment and choice.

bigpink

Are Dunnes prices not the same nationwide?

Mr Magners

bigpink wrote: »

Are Dunnes prices not the same nationwide?

No, not necessarily, they have the systems to adjust pricing, depending on local competitor activity. If you look at someplace like Galway whcih has Joyce's, a large and vesy succesful independent supermarket, they provide real competition for Dunnes so Dunnes have to be able to adjust pricing to compete on a local level.

Threadhead

Personally, I am very happy not having a Tesco in Kilkenny.

Between the supermarket chains we have and all the local producers and shops, I find that I am more than catered for.

As for Dunnes, I don't shop there so for anyone who has a problem with Dunnes, I'd suggest just not shopping there. Between Superquinn, Lidl and Supervalu there's plenty of alternates.

And Keithj75 is bang on the money when he says that whilst Tesco will create jobs, they will also put a lot of other local shops out of business.

catbear

keithj75 wrote: »

Catbear Tesco opening will create employment. But the adjustment to which you refer equals jobs being lost. Also Tesco's rip the heart out of town centres wherever they go. I work in both KK and Athlone. In Athlone when Tesco driven Golden Island Shopping Centre was built it destroyed the vibrancy of the main street to the point where visitors wonder where the main street acutally is. The street hasn't recovered. Tralee and Tullamore are two more cases in point. What kind of society do we want. Do we want our town centres to be lifeless during the day. It is incredibly naieve to see Tesco as some panacea to the problem of unemployment and choice.

Keith, when I said adjustment I did mean jobs losses in one place and job creation in the other. If it were otherwise it would be an addition, not an adjustment. So I guess we agree in the meaning if not the phrasing.

On the other point about lifeless towns, just remember that the absence of any forward looking planning in the past has done far more damage than any new supermarket brand could in the future. Just count the empty Section 23 units in Kilkenny which are costing us in debt repayments agreed to by a greed corrupted government. The consequences of which are still unfolding in Kilkenny without a Tesco.

You ask what kind of society we want? Preferably one that will sooner let badly run banks go bust before opposing competition. If this is where we disagree, then so be it. I don't want to be part of your society if it protects the rights of monopolies before all else.

BambooBob

Catbear I'm not in favour of monopolies and don't recall saying that I was. I recall England in the late 80's and we are aping it now. The same old shops in every town. Little or no individuality. If Tesco were to come it should have been to McDonagh. Two Dunnes in KK is looney. Truth be told that the likes of Tesco and in an Irish context Dunnes end up eliminating choice by closing alternatives down. Thankfully with the entry of the Germans Lidl and Aldi it has been put to both Tesco and Dunnes.

Firetrap

There's a thread on this board about the centre of Kilkenny vs retail parks so it's happening already despite no Tesco. Stable door, horse, bolted. It's up to the businesses in an lár and the powers that be to ensure that there's enough in there to entice people to come in and spend their money. Be it a better selection of reasonably priced shops, improved opening hours, a traffic management system that actually works...

M&S Food Hall on the High Street would be a nice addition.I have to drive to Newbridge to stock up on sultana cookies.

road_high

Davidian_ie wrote: »

M&S Food Hall on the High Street would be a nice addition.I have to drive to Newbridge to stock up on sultana cookies.

Definitely. The amount of people thagt go to Newbridge for M&S is unreal. One in Naas as well.

hi5

There is an M&S in Clonmel.

foxcoverteddy

One has to go a lot further into the problem, the small shop keeper has had it's day where food is concerned, one has only to look at the prices of the convenience stores, no one could afford to do the weekly shop. In truth Tesco is not the beall, it is the stiffling of competition by a group of people, who were elected to represent the people (us), one has to wonder who they represent, it was common knowledge that the people of Callan were clammering for Tesco, in fact anything to provide competition to the one and only supermarket. One has only to look to see that from ninemilehouse it is in our interest to go to Clonmel, happy new year

verywell

hi5 wrote: »

There is an M&S in Clonmel.

I found the M&S in Clonmel, very small with ltd stock. I thought as it was out of the way that it might have been bigger. Same for Newbridge but a small bit bigger than Clonmel I thought.

I will end up sticking with Liffey Vally or Cork.

A tesco in KK would be ideal IMO

road_high

hi5 wrote: »

There is an M&S in Clonmel.

Newbridge handier these days plus ya have all the other shops there.