Abusive Bouncers

poisonated

Hi I was in GPO in Galway earlier and the door man took it on himslef to abuse me. I am not usualy one to cause trouble but he was completely taking the p.iss. Drinks were 3 euro. I told this lad if he gives me 5 euro, I will give him 2 euro and I will get his drink. The door man saw him giving me 5 euro and takes it upon himself to acuse me of robbing 5 euro off that lad. I told him I didn't but he stilll abuses me. The who gave me the 5 euro came up and told him the arrangement but he still abuses me. I try to fight back but he says if I do that again he will call the police. May I please get opinions?
Thanks

poisonated

BTW I do understand that 9 times out of 10, it is the patrons fault but if the person who I supposedly stole money off backs me up, what do I do.

kjl

bouncers have to put up with a lot of crap. Its like a spam filter, sometimes they get it wrong.

Give the guy a break, he was trying to do his job, which I'm sure isn't easy.

mikemac

It's the GPO, most every other nightclub in Galway is better so go elsewhere
You won't miss much

dudara

Moved to Galway - not really a PI.

dudara

poisonated

kjl wrote: »

bouncers have to put up with a lot of crap. Its like a spam filter, sometimes they get it wrong.

Give the guy a break, he was trying to do his job, which I'm sure isn't easy.

Although I do appreciate your opinion, I hate this attitude that 'they have to put up with a lot of crap' so they can act like d.icks all they want.
We had a mutual arrangement and the bouncer felt obliged to get involved and completely abuse me. I am still feeling the locks he put me in last night. He said he was going to call the gardai, I told him to go ahead as I knew I had done nothing wrong. He eventualy let me go with "a warning". I did nothing wrong and GPO just lost themselves a customer. It is a popular club so they probably don't mind but just take caution when paying for your drink at the bar:D

biko

poisonated wrote: »

Hi I was in GPO in Galway earlier and the door man took it on himslef to abuse me. I am not usualy one to cause trouble but he was completely taking the p.iss. Drinks were 3 euro. I told this lad if he gives me 5 euro, I will give him 2 euro and I will get his drink. The door man saw him giving me 5 euro and takes it upon himself to acuse me of robbing 5 euro off that lad. I told him I didn't but he stilll abuses me. The who gave me the 5 euro came up and told him the arrangement but he still abuses me. I try to fight back but he says if I do that again he will call the police. May I please get opinions?
Thanks

What opinions are you looking for? That the bouncer was in the wrong, he was.
What was the nature of the abuse - verbal or physical? Was the abuse that he didn't believe you?

poisonated

ha nah man the abuse wasn't that he didn't belive me. The abuse was him gettin me in a lock and throwing me around:o

Anyway I suppose I'm not looking for any advice as such. Just needed to vent. You know how it is. Anyway feel free to close.

Thanks

biko

Thanks for clarifying - I would have been pretty angry too if the bouncer jumped me for that.
They probably have CCTV, go back and speak to the manager. It's usually better than just venting on an internet forum

Fey!

poisonated wrote: »

The abuse was him gettin me in a lock and throwing me around:o

If that's what really happened, then contact the owners of the club and report it.

Also report him to the Gardai for assault; they can get the CCTV from the club; the CCTV should prove your story. The guy who you had your "arrangement" with can also make a statement backing you up.

If you're not willing to do either of these things then there's no point in whinging on here about it.

poisonated

ha I hear ya. I would be willing to do that but I don't know the guy. He just asked me to buy his drink cause I was in the que ahead of him.

tribesman78

kjl wrote: »

bouncers have to put up with a lot of crap. Its like a spam filter, sometimes they get it wrong.

Give the guy a break, he was trying to do his job, which I'm sure isn't easy.

Yes bouncers put up with a lot, but that is expected when you take these jobs. The bouncer had no right getting involved unless a complaint was made or something serious was going on and even then he should try to handle it in a calm manner. If he physically abused you defiantly go back to the management but i would suggest that the other person that give you the fiver be with you to back up your story.

Sniipe

Call the GPO now and ask to be put through to a manager. Tell the manager that you were physically assaulted by a bouncer with no just cause and that you would like the video as evidence. Give them the approximate time and where you were positioned. If they say no then tell them that your solicitor will be in touch.

It would be wise to let the guards know before you do this.

Bouncers, in my opinion are bullies. I have yet to have a good experience with one in Galway. Sure they have a lot to put up with, but there is no reason to put someone in a headlock. Do these guys when they are at home talking to their kids put them into a headlock because a discussion they don't like isn't going their way.

Diabhal Beag

I've had good experiences with the GPO bouncers. Many the time I snook in under-age. When they ID'd I said I had nothing on me and they knew I was under-age. Told me to come back when I'm older. They could have thrown me out but they didn't.

If he attacked you then report it. Make a complaint about the bouncer (you must know what he looks like) and ask for video.

Wompa1

If he was physical with you and your sure you were 100% in the right then go after him. I got collared by a bouncer before for doing some god awful dancing that he saw as me falling over....he put me in a full nelson and led me out...I don't like clubs and it gave me an excuse to leave without getting flak for wanting to leave early :P

Didn't really mind it because he wasn't being forceful and for his own safety he's probably better off restraining people rather than give them a chance.

Be careful if your going after him...were you being thick about it?

Fey!

Sniipe wrote: »

Bouncers, in my opinion are bullies. I have yet to have a good experience with one in Galway.

In my experience the people who have NEVER had a good experience with a bouncer are generally the agressive idiots who start fights or who are messy drunks. Or else they're the "I know the law and my rights" people!!

If a person has the same problem with everyone in a profession, then the problem more often than not lays with the person!

brianthebard

Why would you tell the manager that you want evidence from them which you will almost definitely use to make a case against them with? The manager has not been ordered to give the tapes to the guards at that point and could simply tape over them 'by accident'. Report it to the guards FIRST and let them get the evidence. Speak to a solicitor for advice too.

Wompa1

brianthebard wrote: »

Why would you tell the manager that you want evidence from them which you will almost definitely use to make a case against them with? The manager has not been ordered to give the tapes to the guards at that point and could simply tape over them 'by accident'. Report it to the guards FIRST and let them get the evidence. Speak to a solicitor for advice too.

I got accused of stealing from a place after a night out once. It was only about 3 euros worth of stuff so they said come back tomorrow and the manager can review the tape. I went back a couple of times and never got to see the manager, contacted a solicitor just to ask about being falsely accused of stealing. I was told if you were drunk it's not worth it..

I didn't care about the money. I just didn't like being accused.

poisonated

Yeah that's just it. You get some lad for no reason acusing you of stealing. It's just annoying. I don't care about being kicked out of the club but I don't like being acused. Especially when they act in a violent manner towards you.

Ficheall

So just to qualify - the bouncer saw you taking 5 euro from some assumedly drunken gob****e stranger in exchange for 2 euro, and felt that you were trying to con said gob****e and felt obliged to intervene? Then when you were questioned, naturally the drunken gob****e went and backed up your story because you had utterly convinved him that you were doing him a favour for no reason other than out of the kindness of your heart?
Then you felt so offended that someone would doubt your altruistic nature that you decided to argue with the bouncer and then start a thread complaining about him on the internet, and are contemplating contacting the guards?
The end result, presumably, is that in future bouncers won't be on the lookout for people trying to con drunken gob****es out of money, so it could, hypothetically, be easier for you to make a quick buck?

Not that I'm saying that I doubt for a moment your philanthropic nature, nor why you're outraged at such a grave injustice - but one can identify surely with the sentiments of the bouncer who has to deal with all manner of scum every evening. He probably thought he was doing the drunken gob****e a favour too by not having you steal his money.

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

poisonated

So you're saying that I would take advantage off some drunk lad for the craic.
Jumping the gun much?

Ficheall

Not really - and I couldn't care less if you did - if someone lets themselves get drunk enough for someone to con them out of a couple of quid, then they don't deserve any sympathy.
I'm just saying that that's how the bouncer could have seen it. You'll forgive people for being cynical and doubting that you'd randomly decide to help a stranger out.
Perhaps you should get down off your high horse.

poisonated

Ha Likewise. It's hard to see you up there.

I disagree completely. No matter how drunk someone is, they don't deserve to have money stolen off them.

MingulayJohnny

If you want to go to places that have bouncers on the door then unjustified hassle is expected. It can be something as simple as not liking the way you look or carry yourself. Nobody can convince me otherwise at this stage in my life. If you try to reason with one of the bad ones it's like debating evolution theory on an internet forum with a person who holds a completely contrary opinion , futile. There are decent bouncers out there but they're few and far between as far as I can see.

If I'm going out for a few the last thing I want is some thug interrogating me on the door of a pub\club. I'd sooner stay at home by myself or with a few friends and some tunes than have a bad vibe put on my night from the get go. How about 'Hows a goin lads' and opening the door. A good bouncer should have the intuition to recognise the difference between potential trouble and people who just want to have a bit of peaceful craic. Problem is a lot of the current crowd seem to show contempt and suspicion for the people who are actually providing the custom to pay their wages.

EuskalHerria

Was in GPO one night and two lads started on a friend of mine. Bouncer came over, friend knew he was going out so put up no resistance. The bouncer took him to the ground for some reason, then while my friend was on the ground he took his chance and hit him a punch right to the face. Now on the back of that most would presume after a scuffle more went on, It didn't. Genuinely he got a punch for nothing. Honestly what could be done though?
Most of the time bouncers are doing there job, relatively thankless. but with people like this out there then you can see why they generally pick up a bad name. Bouncers on serious powertrips is something I only had to ignore when I came to Galway aswell, seems more frequent in certain places.

Sniipe

Fey! wrote: »

In my experience the people who have NEVER had a good experience with a bouncer are generally the agressive idiots who start fights or who are messy drunks. Or else they're the "I know the law and my rights" people!!

If a person has the same problem with everyone in a profession, then the problem more often than not lays with the person!

Quiet the opposite. I never ever drink to excess, my body is a temple. I look quiet young and wouldn't be tall at 5foot 7. So Fey! you are way out. I'm not one of the I know the law/rights people either. But I do have a lot of empathy and I would like people to treat others with respect at all times.

Your first mistake was in going to the GPO. It's long had a reputation for unsavory characters frequenting there.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfetF1jCO4

?Cee?view

Deleted User wrote: »

Your first mistake was in going to the GPO. It's long had a reputation for unsavory characters frequenting there.

Your first mistake was in going to the GPO. It's long had a reputation for unsavory characters frequenting working there.

FYP

holly8

try this one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sSohKjyE8A&feature=player_embedded

chuckliddell

It is a popular club



yeah with the scumbags of galway, the place is a kip

Dr McManus

poisonated wrote: »

Hi I was in GPO in Galway earlier and the door man took it on himslef to abuse me. I am not usualy one to cause trouble but he was completely taking the p.iss. Drinks were 3 euro. I told this lad if he gives me 5 euro, I will give him 2 euro and I will get his drink. The door man saw him giving me 5 euro and takes it upon himself to acuse me of robbing 5 euro off that lad. I told him I didn't but he stilll abuses me. The who gave me the 5 euro came up and told him the arrangement but he still abuses me. I try to fight back but he says if I do that again he will call the police. May I please get opinions?
Thanks

Doormen (and women) have a difficult job.
Many years ago I worked as a doorman in London.
I have worked with the best, and worst doormen over the years.
I have worked in bars, nightclubs, private gentleman's clubs. I have experienced the best and worst of customers behaviour.
After seeing a good friend of mine glassed in the face, I decided it was time to retire from the profession. It is not until you have done the job yourself, that you will understand how hard it is. Doormen are ordinary people doing an extraordinary job. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong. They are human, and make mistakes just like everyone else. If you have had a bad experience with a doorman at GPO, then complain to the Manager of GPO. Complaining on a public forum is not the place to do it. If you are not happy about the way you were treated, then you have the option to go somewhere else.
I have the greatest respect for all the doormen who give up their free time, and do a tough job, so that we can all enjoy ours, safely.

Fey!

Sniipe wrote: »

Quiet the opposite. I never ever drink to excess, my body is a temple. I look quiet young and wouldn't be tall at 5foot 7. So Fey! you are way out. I'm not one of the I know the law/rights people either. But I do have a lot of empathy and I would like people to treat others with respect at all times.

In that case you must be the exception.

Dr McManus wrote: »

...Doormen are ordinary people doing an extraordinary job...

That quote sound VERY familiar, I think from you on a thread about Gardai!

chuckliddell

just buy your own drinks in the future, save ya the bother

thelongfellow

Fey! wrote: »

That quote sound VERY familiar, I think from you on a thread about Gardai!

You should declare shenanigans!

Doormen are trained to judge people on their looks. And we all know that doesn't work.

TerrorFirmer

I don't think I've ever had a problem with a single bouncer in Galway, in any club. They're always pretty polite and I only ever see them involved when there's a genuine need. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I really think as far as dodgy doormen go, Galway really doesn't have a problem to any extent; and I've seen some seriously dodgy bouncers in other places at home and abroad; I can't help but feel that there's a little bit more to this story, I really can't imagine a bouncer would go out of his way to harass you in a busy nightclub just because he, as you say, saw one lad innocently giving another lad a five euro note.

Dr McManus

Dr McManus wrote: »

I have the greatest respect for all the doormen who give up their free time, and do a tough job, so that we can all enjoy ours, safely.

You'd swear they were doing it out of the goodness of their hearts the way youre going on about them.

Dr McManus

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd swear they were doing it out of the goodness of their hearts the way youre going on about them.

Doormen work for money. That is a given.
But when you look at the sacrifices they make, for what they get paid; and what they put up with, they deserve every cent.
I have done it, earned good money, and enjoyed it all on balance. For many it is a means to an end. They don't choose it, they have to do it to make ends meet.
There is a big difference between the attitudes of those who choose to do the job, and those who don't want to but get in the money trap so keep doing it.
It is easy for you to judge, but when you have actually done the job, you might have a different opinion.
Personally I am in no position to judge anyone. All I am saying is my opinion, for what it is worth. After 7 years of my life working some of the toughest doors in London, I think I am in a position to have an (informed) opinion.

harryd2

In my experience doormen are often thugs on power trips.
Thankfully, however, I haven't experienced any like that in Galway

JJayoo

After 7 years of my life working some of the toughest doors in London, I think I am in a position to have an (informed) opinion.

Your also in the position to have a biased opinion.

brianthebard

JJayoo wrote: »

Your also in the position to have a biased opinion.

lol did someone get denied entry to a club lately?

JJayoo

Actually about 2 months ago i was in town very early, and was talking to a girl i know that gives out stamps for cps, and she told me to check it out as they have changed it. So i was gonna kill some time and get a drink. I was stopped for being under age:mad: I had my passport but was told it was clearly fake. Im 24 and my passport and was still stopped from going into cps for being underage lol good times.

If i go out i will usually go to cuba, just because i think the bouncers are pretty sound. Have found most pub doormen are fairly sound as well.

Well thats my biased opinion :pac:

Eman Resu

Bouncers are like another group i.e. drunk people, guards, travellers, the clergy and yes even bankers, in that the actions of the minority tarnish the rest. Most bouncers are sound, it's the d1ckh3ad though that will stand out in your memory.

whadabouchasir

A lot of bouncers seem to do this in Galway and I don't get it,They ask you "How much have you had tonight?" or "where have you been before this?".Do they not realise that al most everyone is going to lie to them?

Eman Resu

It's more how you answer than what you answer, it's getting you to talk so they can guage how much you've had, I'm presuming.

big b

Am I the only one thinking that, if I were the drunk guy seen handing over cash to someone, I might be glad a bouncer was looking after me?

The bouncer handled the situation pretty badly, but at least he was aware of it. Someone else may be glad of that one day.

myironlung

I was in Club K last night. I never go there usually because personally I think its pretty rubbish. But last night my friends decided to go somewhere different for a change. Anyway, we ended up in the bar out the front, Kennedys, as we didn't really like the crowd in the main club. We were sitting at the bar all night, having drinks and chatting. Before we realised it the club was finished and we were locked into the pub. My flatmate decided to go smoke, so we headed out to the alleyway (which is the main exit for Club K) with our full drinks. Immediately when we got out a bouncer angrily asked us why we were still there long after the club closed. We explained that we had been in the adjoining pub and hadn't realised. He told us we had to leave immediately. When I asked could we bring our drinks he said no, we had enough time to drink them. Again we explained that we hadn't known. He ushered us towards the main exit, at the same time we tried to drink our drinks as fast as we could, we had paid for them after all with our hard earned money. My friends finished theirs and went out. As I had two full drinks in my hand still I stopped and tried to drink them. The bouncer started angrily telling me to get out. I calmly replied that I needed a moment to drink them and it was only fair that he give me a minute. Again he got angry and started barking that I had had loads of time. I then said that taking the drinks off me then and kicking me out the door was the same as stealing and was surely against the law. He didn't like that and came right up to me and started roaring in my face that he knew the law and to get out. I said that he couldn't treat a paying customer like that. He then grabbed my neck in one hand, squeezing so I couldn't breath and shoved me out the the door.
I feel this was totally unneccessary physical abuse. I was in no way being an ass. Yes I was drunk, but I was calm and polite the whole time. I never got agressive. I'm not that type. All I did was try and explain a totally reasonable situation. Is it right that this meathead on a power trip can do this? I know they have to take a lot of crap but surely that doesn't excuse behaviour like that. I want to complain to Club K but I'm not sure what good that will do. What do you reckon I should do? Have I any way to teach them a lesson that you can't treat people like that?
And before anyone says I was probably acting a drunk ass, I wasn't. I was perfectly reasonable and calm.

Jarren

hmmm . do you have any witness to back up your story?

myironlung

Unfortunately not really unless you count my friends seeing me being pushed out the door.

dolphin city

report it in writing.

you don't know - that bouncer could have people already reporting him and be on warnings. Just because they are bouncers does not mean the can manhandle people when the feel like it. If you don't report it and it happened as you say, he could go further next time and injure someone.

he's a bouncer - he works late at night - there is no excuse for him being abusive - he knows the job he is in - if he cannot handle it without manhandling somebody who shows no threat to him, then he should not be in that line of business.

Melion

Oh look, another bouncer thread :rolleyes:

I love that you "calmly replied" Or did you say "Yeah im going" while still standing in the same place?