FLIP HELMETS

JohnnyCrash

Hi guys,was thinking on getting a flip up helmet,plain black with incorporated sun visor. Any suggestions/recommendations?Cheers in advance;)

HellsAngel

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Hi guys,was thinking on getting a flip up helmet,plain black with incorporated sun visor. Any suggestions/recommendations?Cheers in advance;)

Let me guess, you ride a Cruiser ?

JohnnyCrash

HellsAngel wrote: »

Let me guess, you ride a Cruiser ?

A Fazer actually:D

Xios

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/caberg-trip/

Caberg Trip, i have one in matt black, also ride a fazer. The visor is very handy for when the sun peaks around the clouds, but it's not polarised, so beware.

Hughsie75

Nolans are pretty good too man.

http://www.nolanhelmets.com/n102ncom.htm

bladespin

Carberg Justissimo, brilliant lid, very good quality feel to it, Schuberth are also nice but ridiculously expensive for what you get.

A word of warning, flip lids are by design very noisy, you'll want to wera earplugs (should anyway regardless of what type of lid you're wearing).

Oryx

Good: Caberg Konda (trip is discontinued)
Better: Nolan N103 but some say these are noisy.
Best: Schuberth. Big bucks but the quality is there.

7ofBrian

dont know if this is true but i heard a lot of these flip up lids have a problem with leakage under heavy rain conditions. ya might want to look into this first

Try1ng

Hughsie75 wrote: »

Nolans are pretty good too man.

http://www.nolanhelmets.com/n102ncom.htm

Oryx wrote: »

Good: Caberg Konda (trip is discontinued)
Better: Nolan N103 but some say these are noisy.
Best: Schuberth. Big bucks but the quality is there.

I have the nolan N103, very good but it is a bit noisy. No problem with rain and the pinlock is perfect, I did get a tinted pinlock so when the sun is strong and low in the sky the dark visor and the shaded pinlock make it easy.

Best of luck with whatever you get.

goldie fish

BMW system 6 is out there too. built in sun vizor. Very high spec, Built for BMW by Schuberth I think.

bladespin

br7ian wrote: »

dont know if this is true but i heard a lot of these flip up lids have a problem with leakage under heavy rain conditions. ya might want to look into this first

Not a problem on the Carberg, not on the Schuberth either, been using mine for over 3 years, mostly in the dry but it has been tested in the wet.

goldie fish

bladespin wrote: »

Not a problem on the Carberg, not on the Schuberth either, been using mine for over 3 years, mostly in the dry but it has been tested in the wet.

Yup, never an issue with my BMW system 5 either.
Unless you have the visor open of course.

Oryx

If your Schuberth is in an accident in the first three years of owning it, you can replace it at one third of the price. Which may be something useful for ya.

mattblacktiger

I'm a big fan of the roof boxers
Best lid for the riding I do
doesn't leak either in rain.

Dirk Gently

I'm using a shark evoline absolute the past year or so with no complaints. Depending what size nut you have you might pick up something half price in cotters clearance of older helmets.

bladespin

Oryx wrote: »

If your Schuberth is in an accident in the first three years of owning it, you can replace it at one third of the price. Which may be something useful for ya.

There are some quite stringent terms and conditions to that offer.

Oryx

bladespin wrote: »

There are some quite stringent terms and conditions to that offer.

Police reports etc, but still, it is offered.

blackbird98

I have the Shoei Multitec, brilliant lid, no sun viser.

with the whisper kit, very little wind noise, no more than a standard lid, and definitely doesn't leak!!

bladespin

Oryx wrote: »

Police reports etc, but still, it is offered.

Ypu'd have a very difficult time getting that here so, apart from the fact the Police are only in NI , most non injury accidents aren't investigated by the gardai.

goldie fish

bladespin wrote: »

Ypu'd have a very difficult time getting that here so, apart from the fact the Police are only in NI , most non injury accidents aren't investigated by the gardai.

You would shill be obliged to report the accident to the gardai though(unless it was single vehicle, no injury)

EvilMonkey

bladespin wrote: »

Ypu'd have a very difficult time getting that here so, apart from the fact the Police are only in NI , most non injury accidents aren't investigated by the gardai.

An Garda Síochána is the national police service of the Republic of Ireland. ...

Oryx

bladespin, ya pedant, you know what I meant. I mentioned it cos its there, not to start a debate on police forces. The op can just add it to his sum of knowledge and decide if its a factor when buying a lid.

bladespin

goldie fish wrote: »

You would shill be obliged to report the accident to the gardai though(unless it was single vehicle, no injury)

A notification isn't a garda report, vast majority of motorcycle accidents are single vehicle, hopefully no injury.

Oryx wrote: »

bladespin, ya pedant, you know what I meant. I mentioned it cos its there, not to start a debate on police forces. The op can just add it to his sum of knowledge and decide if its a factor when buying a lid.

Just pointing out that it's not as simple and straight forward as you might imagine.
Personally I hate hearing an garda being referred to as police. But yes I know what you meant.

TBH I'd be suprised if anyone actually avails of the offer and is successful.

Paparazzo

I have a nolan n102, going to replace it soon with the newer model. Good lid. I tried it on in a shop (hein gericke) and got the size and bought it online here: www.fc-moto.de

Run_to_da_hills

Personally I would not touch a flip up lid with a barge pole, they leak in water after a while, they also look stupid and in the case of a spill with it in the up position you may as well be using an open face.

bladespin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Personally I would not touch a flip up lid with a barge pole, they leak in water after a while, they also look stupid and in the case of a spill with it in the up position you may as well be using an open face.

Mine doesn't leak, I've had it 3 years, they don't look anymore stupid than a full face, don't know too many who ride with it open (that's for petrol stations, cig breaks etc).

KamiKazi

Here's why I don't wear flip front helmets.

bladespin

KamiKazi wrote: »

Here's why I don't wear flip front helmets.

Don't get ya Side damage will affect all helmets the same, that damaged areas on that lid are no different to a flip.

Paparazzo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Personally I would not touch a flip up lid with a barge pole, they leak in water after a while, they also look stupid and in the case of a spill with it in the up position you may as well be using an open face.

Mine never leaked. They look the same as an ordinary helmet when closed. You leave it closed most of the time, buy its handy being able to open it. Nothing better than on a hot day being able to open it. Handy when getting petrol, or when you stop and want to talk. I'd never get a non flip up again!

KamiKazi

bladespin wrote: »

Don't get ya Side damage will affect all helmets the same, that damaged areas on that lid are no different to a flip.

Check the chin bar.

Goodbye face!

bladespin

KamiKazi wrote: »

Check the chin bar.

Goodbye face!

The chin bar on the flip would have done the same job, they're flip lids not open face.

KamiKazi

bladespin wrote: »

The chin bar on the flip would have done the same job, they're flip lids not open face.

Not if on one of our many scorching days (:D) you're riding with the front up

Paparazzo

KamiKazi wrote: »

Not if on one of our many scorching days (:D) you're riding with the front up

Don't ride with the front up. Simples!
I usually only put it up where I'm going slow

bladespin

KamiKazi wrote: »

Not if on one of our many scorching days (:D) you're riding with the front up

Each to their own but have never seen anuone riding with the flip uo anywhere but in town, you'd be insane to ride at speed with it up IMO, Also the flip would act like a sail making it pretty uncomfortable above 30 mph.

KamiKazi

bladespin wrote: »

Each to their own but have never seen anuone riding with the flip uo anywhere but in town, you'd be insane to ride at speed with it up IMO, Also the flip would act like a sail making it pretty uncomfortable above 30 mph.

I dunno, I seen loads of lads riding around with the front up when the weather is anyway decent.

Cuddlesworth

bladespin wrote: »

Don't get ya Side damage will affect all helmets the same, that damaged areas on that lid are no different to a flip.

There is a worry that the catch on a flip helmet can be jarred loose or broke open on impact. Sharp test for this and quite a few of the helmets out there score really badly on it.

JohnnyCrash

Cheers for all the replies guys,but took on board the shop owners opinion(when asked) about flips and he said" flip up helmets never were or never will be as good as a full face helmet". So heres what I went for in the end:D

KamiKazi

Thinking about buying that exact lid in a week or so!

Get it in Cotters?

bladespin

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

There is a worry that the catch on a flip helmet can be jarred loose or broke open on impact. Sharp test for this and quite a few of the helmets out there score really badly on it.

Dirty great big bolt holds it closed on mine, the rest of the helmet would fail before it'd let go.

JohnnyCrash

KamiKazi wrote: »

Thinking about buying that exact lid in a week or so!

Get it in Cotters?

No,im down the country.Got it in Baldricks,KK.

Cuddlesworth

bladespin wrote: »

Dirty great big bolt holds it closed on mine, the rest of the helmet would fail before it'd let go.

Type, if you don't mind me asking.


There is also a argument against flip helmets because of the basic design. The area where the helmet meets the part that flips has to be reinforced across the width/thickness of the helmet(inside to outside). This also means that in a accident where the force is applied to that area, its ability to dissipate the energy across the surface and not directly towards the skull is impeded.

All depends on the helmet though. Same with Full face. Although in the reasonable price range(100-200) there are no flip helmets I would let on as a pillion.

bladespin

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Type, if you don't mind me asking.


There is also a argument against flip helmets because of the basic design. The area where the helmet meets the part that flips has to be reinforced across the width/thickness of the helmet(inside to outside). This also means that in a accident where the force is applied to that area, its ability to dissipate the energy across the surface and not directly towards the skull is impeded.

All depends on the helmet though. Same with Full face. Although in the reasonable price range(100-200) there are no flip helmets I would let on as a pillion.

Carberg Justissimo.

TBH I hope to never test it's limits but the chin bar is strong, any energy would be dissapated outwards to the sides in a head on impact, the bolts can take the energy and the design suggests the bar itself would be up to it, bear in mind I don't race so any impact would be at real world speeds, there is a big difference between the design limit of the materials used and the forces that would be applied at say 60mph (bear in mind a frontal impact at that speed would more than likely break the neck anyway).

I've ridden bikes with all types of lid, I'll happily use an open face lid on the appropriate machine, a cruiser etc.
On a sports bike I use the flip or full face without concern. I've been in my share of crashes and can't really visualise a scenario where I'd be taking the full force through the chin, I've slid down a track on the temple area of a helmet so I do understand what a lid should be capable of.

Paparazzo

If they're good enough for this guy, they're good enough for me:

Cuddlesworth

bladespin wrote: »

Carberg Justissimo.

TBH I hope to never test it's limits but the chin bar is strong, any energy would be dissapated outwards to the sides in a head on impact, the bolts can take the energy and the design suggests the bar itself would be up to it, bear in mind I don't race so any impact would be at real world speeds, there is a big difference between the design limit of the materials used and the forces that would be applied at say 60mph (bear in mind a frontal impact at that speed would more than likely break the neck anyway).

I've ridden bikes with all types of lid, I'll happily use an open face lid on the appropriate machine, a cruiser etc.
On a sports bike I use the flip or full face without concern. I've been in my share of crashes and can't really visualise a scenario where I'd be taking the full force through the chin, I've slid down a track on the temple area of a helmet so I do understand what a lid should be capable of.

It is a nice lid, stayed closed in 80% of impacts during sharp testing. Cheaper trip got 90%. BTW that isn't impacts to the chin bar. That's impacts to the helmet. It deforms which weakens every part of the locking system and causes it to pop. And in a free slide if you were unconscious and it pop'd open, bye bye facial skin.

I wear a full face mask for the same reason I wear full armoured gear. If it ever comes to a nasty crash I do not want skin grafts on any part of my body. Its the one part of medicine which is still horrible to do, horrible to look at and fraught with complications.

KamiKazi

Paparazzo wrote: »

If they're good enough for this guy, they're good enough for me:

How many road (or even track) racers wear flip front helmets?

bladespin

KamiKazi wrote: »

How many road (or even track) racers wear flip front helmets?

They're not really a racer's helmet, more touring, you'll see lots of the goldwing brigade etc in them.

IIRC There were several side car outfits that used flips back in the day, not aware of any that do at the moment, again it's not really what they're made for.

Paparazzo

KamiKazi wrote: »

How many road (or even track) racers wear flip front helmets?

Well, arai seems to be the most popular racing helmet. According to the Sharp website, the nolan n103 gets a rating as good (mostly better) as every arai but one.
The way I see bike riding is that ok, yes safety is important, but so is enjoyment and practicality. I'm not going to put on full leathers every time I get on the bike.

KamiKazi

So you both avoided answering the question you know the answer to is zero, despite the fact that you both made a point of putting up a pic of a guy on a sportsbike wearing full race leathers wearing a flip up helmet.

Nice one lads.

goldie fish

KamiKazi wrote: »

How many road (or even track) racers wear flip front helmets?

How many professionals who drive motorbikes for a living wear flip front helmets?
Its all down to rating.

P.C.

goldie fish wrote: »

How many professionals who drive motorbikes for a living wear flip front helmets?
Its all down to rating.

Not the Gardai.

They use full face helmets.

Paparazzo

KamiKazi wrote: »

So you both avoided answering the question you know the answer to is zero, despite the fact that you both made a point of putting up a pic of a guy on a sportsbike wearing full race leathers wearing a flip up helmet.

Nice one lads.

We didn't answer because we assumed you knew. But you were wrong, it's actually 1 :P
Schumacher uses it because he says he feels fresher going into a race.
We know most racers use closed face helmets. They also use thick one piece leathers, titanium reinforced gloves, a back protector that costs more than my bike. Just because racers use certain equipment doesn't mean I'll copy them.