Marathon Cool Down 8 Mile Race Nov 13th - anyone know more

shazkea

I just this race advertised in RunIreland - http://www.runireland.com/events/marathon-cool-down

8 miles race in the Phoenix Park on Nov 13th for €20. Any one know any more about it as it would be perfect prep for Waterford Half for me.

sarsfieldsrock

Looks like a nice run. Pity I am away that weekend or I would have a go at it.

donothoponpop

shazkea wrote: »

I just this race advertised in RunIreland - http://www.runireland.com/events/marathon-cool-down

8 miles race in the Phoenix Park on Nov 13th for €20.

Ye gods, where will it end? €20 to cool down now? Lovely to see it comes with the obligatory unspecified "a donation" to charity. That's what makes it noble.

Peckham

Does the €20 include physio treatment for injuries sustained by racing 8 miles less than 3 weeks after finishing a marathon? :rolleyes:

Then we had to find a course that would suit and following the steps of the Adidas Series would bring back bad memories.

Why would the Adidas Series bring back bad memories?

shazkea

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donothoponpop wrote: »

Ye gods, where will it end? €20 to cool down now? Lovely to see it comes with the obligatory unspecified "a donation" to charity. That's what makes it noble.

Peckham wrote: »

Does the €20 include physio treatment for injuries sustained by racing 8 miles less than 3 weeks after finishing a marathon? :rolleyes:



Why would the Adidas Series bring back bad memories?

Agree with your comments on their "angle" on a new race - should really rename it and re-do their marketing blurb! Adidas Series is great and everybody usually has good memories of those races and I had to re-read that comment about bad memories.

Unfort I'm missing DCM due to injury and need a warmup race for my Waterford Half and Barcelona marathon and I like the idea of this distance. Perfect distance to test myself now that I'm on the comeback trail.

Hence reason I asked for more info to help me make a well informed opinion about a good value, well organised race to help me with my warm-up i.e. I have absolutely nothing to do with this race organisation!

chinguetti

Isn't the BHAA 6k Beach Race in Dollymount on the same day? If so why put it on the same day as it, surely they could avoid having two races 4 miles apart?

Why are they calling it a 'Cool Down'? Tis 3 weeks after the marathon so why not call it what it is. An 8k race over various terrain.

Oisin11178

chinguetti wrote: »

Isn't the BHAA 6k Beach Race in Dollymount on the same day? If so why put it on the same day as it, surely they could avoid having two races 4 miles apart?

Why are they calling it a 'Cool Down'? Tis 3 weeks after the marathon so why not call it what it is. An 8k race over various terrain.

Agree with everything you say but its 8 miles not 8k:D

geld

I'm having my Marathon "cooldown" on the IMRA Powerscourt Ridge Race on the 6th Nov. Ah! back to the hills!

shels4ever

Anyone know anything about this race, was looking for a 10mile race sometime around this date and came up with this one.

mobfromcork

Just signed up for it myself. I want to do the half marathon in Wa'erford on the 11th of December and haven't really run/raced in any organised event before so will do this run as a practice for the half marathon the month after.

shels4ever

mobfromcork wrote: »

Just signed up for it myself. I want to do the half marathon in Wa'erford on the 11th of December and haven't really run/raced in any organised event before so will do this run as a practice for the half marathon the month after.

Similar plan to mine.

mobfromcork

I'll be happy enough to finish each race to be honest and haven't really been keeping any track of my times when running. I'm new enough to it having only started about 6 weeks ago. I can do 10km in just over an hour and 12km is the longest I've run so far. Trying to keep to 2 or 3 short runs and one longer run each week. Doing the 8 miles in a month should fit in pretty well and I reckon I should be okay for the 20ish km on the 11th of Dec if I keep up the training. Just signed up for the half marathon tonight (along with another friend of mine) to give me something to aim for.

ecoli

Have to say that i have my reservations about this race for a few reasons

• Tying this to the success of the marathon while not being in the general interest of anyone who has done the marathon (for recovery purposes)
• 50/50 tarmac/grass meaning not ideal for fast times
• 20e yet only 100 finishers get t shirts, no insurance top two male and female prizes ( where exactly is the money going)
• no figure given regarding the "donation" to the Bray Lakers
• no chip timing
• 80% off roads meaning narrow paths not ideal for racing

Seems to me like they are trying to cut every corner in order to maximise profit at the expense of the athletes. Dont usually speak out about races but this just seems to me like a cheap attempt at making some quick money and have a feeling there will prob be alot of negative feedback after.

If there is anyone associated with the race who is willing to tackle some of the concerns i will gladly retract the comments i have made if they are incorrect (only going on the description on run ireland)

tHE vAGGABOND

If only the park was free for anyone to access, you could run around it yourself, for free, when you wanted to

shels4ever

tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »

If only the park was free for anyone to access, you could run around it yourself, for free, when you wanted to

Makes it a little bit harder to race alone...

ClickEvents

Peckham wrote: »

Does the €20 include physio treatment for injuries sustained by racing 8 miles less than 3 weeks after finishing a marathon? :rolleyes:



Why would the Adidas Series bring back bad memories?

Hi Peckham

The idea came from doing the Marathon last year and I felt that there was no other events that could keep my training up. And we hope to have a physio present we do at all of our events so far it seem to go down well.

regards

Stephen

ClickEvents

donothoponpop wrote: »

Ye gods, where will it end? €20 to cool down now? Lovely to see it comes with the obligatory unspecified "a donation" to charity. That's what makes it noble.

Hi Donothoponpop

This could have been answered by ringing the charity or myself. At present we are Donating €1.00 per competitor at present this represents approximately 20% of our expected profits. And can I draw you attention to

"The <different race name snipped> are facilitators for participants to raise large sums of money for charities. The entry fee goes towards paying for numerous items including mementos to successful runners, event logistics and course costs etc. Any contribution made by the event after paying for all the third party costs are used to pay the company overheads. The company is a limited company and operates to make a profit. The company does get involved in worthy causes but it does not allocate a proportion of the entry fee to charity.

Kind Regards

<name snipped>"

They had 11000 in attendance at €35.00 I think, I have not done it the past few year so am unsure of the cost. We are expecting around 100 plus

<OP can you clarify if this person gave you permission to post this reply on an internet forum? Thanks, moderator>

ClickEvents

Peckham wrote: »

Does the €20 include physio treatment for injuries sustained by racing 8 miles less than 3 weeks after finishing a marathon? :rolleyes:



Why would the Adidas Series bring back bad memories?

Hi Peckham

Shazkea emailed us directly I can forward on our reply. Thanks Shazkea for the positive feedback. Regarding the 'Bad Memories', I am afraid this got lost in translation, The adidas series is a great series and have done it for many years and apologies for any slight it was not intended. I meant good 'bad memories', like the ones I believe you may get from running in the park 3 to 4 a week for the past few years.

ClickEvents

ecoli wrote: »

Have to say that i have my reservations about this race for a few reasons

• Tying this to the success of the marathon while not being in the general interest of anyone who has done the marathon (for recovery purposes)
• 50/50 tarmac/grass meaning not ideal for fast times
• 20e yet only 100 finishers get t shirts, no insurance top two male and female prizes ( where exactly is the money going)
• no figure given regarding the "donation" to the Bray Lakers
• no chip timing
• 80% off roads meaning narrow paths not ideal for racing

Seems to me like they are trying to cut every corner in order to maximise profit at the expense of the athletes. Dont usually speak out about races but this just seems to me like a cheap attempt at making some quick money and have a feeling there will prob be alot of negative feedback after.

If there is anyone associated with the race who is willing to tackle some of the concerns i will gladly retract the comments i have made if they are incorrect (only going on the description on run ireland)

Hi Ecoli

Stephen from Click Events, these questions could have been answered if you contacted us directly or told us there was a discussion being held on Boards.ie my contact details are on the runireland website.

The idea came from doing the marathon last year and felt that there was not an event of a suitable distance to keep my mileage up.

As answer on other threads we are a fledgling commercial event management limited company and as such are trying to make a profit. As this is the inaugural event we have to manage our costs and expenses, we are not expecting a large number of entries. Without suppling a Audit the park is not free to hire, Insurance, Portoloos, Marshals, Equipment, First aid provision and any other expenses that you can think of. I have answered the donations questions elsewhere but you can ring them yourself the number is on the runireland website. No chip timing as we are expecting around 100 people this can be done manually, the expected number also dictates from my experience whether it is worth the chip companies time and effort. 80% off road not ideal for racing - it is meant for people to do a 8 mile run as I assumed like me others wanted to keep my mileage up and there was nothing like this distance.

It will be a simple affair, hopefully not cheap but will accept and if possible take on board constructive positive and negative feedback

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but until tonight I have never posted or registered on Boards.ie. Hope this helps Stephen

Peckham

Thanks for coming on here and answering our questions. That's more than a lot of race organisers would do.

On the charity thing - I think it would be useful if you were a bit more upfront that 20% of your take is going to charity. It's easy for us here to be cynical that race organisers put this on their race information as a "marketing hook", and then give a minimal donation (or none at all) to that charity.

Thanks again Stephen.

ClickEvents

Peckham wrote: »

Thanks for coming on here and answering our questions. That's more than a lot of race organisers would do.

On the charity thing - I think it would be useful if you were a bit more upfront that 20% of your take is going to charity. It's easy for us here to be cynical that race organisers put this on their race information as a "marketing hook", and then give a minimal donation (or none at all) to that charity.

Thanks again Stephen.

Hi Peckham

It was not my intention to mislead.

On hindsight probably should not have posted it but just done it, just that a few people asked for sponsorship cards and thought that if I posted Anthony's details a few more people would take a card.

Understandable that people can be cynical but thats not the image or way that we intend to do it. I would like to offer a good if not great event, at a reasonable price where people feel that they got value for money. And once our numbers start to grow we will strive to reduce costs but not the experience.

Once I am not giving to much information to the competition ie other event companies and I feel that I probably have done. I will answer all questions to the best of my ability. But as you are aware I cannot not please everyone!

Kind Regards

Stephen

donothoponpop

ClickEvents wrote: »

Hi Donothoponpop

This could have been answered by ringing the charity or myself. At present we are Donating €1.00 per competitor at present this represents approximately 20% of our expected profits. And can I draw you attention to

"The <name snipped> are facilitators for participants to raise large sums of money for charities. The entry fee goes towards paying for numerous items including mementos to successful runners, event logistics and course costs etc. Any contribution made by the event after paying for all the third party costs are used to pay the company overheads. The company is a limited company and operates to make a profit. The company does get involved in worthy causes but it does not allocate a proportion of the entry fee to charity.

Kind Regards

<name snipped>"

They had 11000 in attendance at €35.00 I think, I have not done it the past few year so am unsure of the cost. We are expecting around 100 plus

Why are you drawing my attention to an unrelated race? Is it to cite precedence? In any case, its unrelated to your race. You're as welcome to clarify your pricing structure here, as anyone else is to comment on your race description. You omitted the fact in the entry blurb that you are organizing this race to make an expected profit, while drawing attention to the fact that you will be donating to charity- to my mind that very looks like using the charity angle as a hook (and a 80%/20% split profit/charity confirms this).

Times are tough, money is tight, and charities are finding it difficult to raise funds. If you want to take up race organizing to make a profit for yourself, go right ahead, but I'd (still) question the bona fides of any race organizer who decides to include a reference to charity in such a deliberately vague way.

ecoli

ClickEvents wrote: »

Hi Ecoli

Stephen from Click Events, these questions could have been answered if you contacted us directly or told us there was a discussion being held on Boards.ie my contact details are on the runireland website.

The idea came from doing the marathon last year and felt that there was not an event of a suitable distance to keep my mileage up.

As answer on other threads we are a fledgling commercial event management limited company and as such are trying to make a profit. As this is the inaugural event we have to manage our costs and expenses, we are not expecting a large number of entries. Without suppling a Audit the park is not free to hire, Insurance, Portoloos, Marshals, Equipment, First aid provision and any other expenses that you can think of. I have answered the donations questions elsewhere but you can ring them yourself the number is on the runireland website. No chip timing as we are expecting around 100 people this can be done manually, the expected number also dictates from my experience whether it is worth the chip companies time and effort. 80% off road not ideal for racing - it is meant for people to do a 8 mile run as I assumed like me others wanted to keep my mileage up and there was nothing like this distance.

It will be a simple affair, hopefully not cheap but will accept and if possible take on board constructive positive and negative feedback

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but until tonight I have never posted or registered on Boards.ie. Hope this helps Stephen

This was actually an oversight in reading the description i forgot to look to the top for contact details so when i scanned through after reading the piece the only contact details i saw were that of the charity hence not contacting you guys and as there was a discussion on here thought people may have information regarding this ( as is usual with most events which appear here)

This also seems a bit contradictory to the blurb where you numerously make comments such as "For the more competitive runners there will be cash prizes for 1st & 2nd Male and Female. There will also be prizes for 50th Male and Female and 100th Male and Female. So this event is a Cool Down in name only."

I appreciate all comments, this forum set up to be able to compare and review races so that all runners are able make informed choices regarding which races the choose to race for what ever reasons (suits there plan, aiming for time, the particular charity, cost, location). As runners many wont be able to race week in week out for various reasons (toll on body, expense, time constraints) so they want to make everyone count which is why many new (and old) races come under scrutiny regarding logistics and motives etc.

kurikuji

hi ecoli had to reply to this. a marathon is a huge accomplishment and once completed participants should build up their milage again and this run would seem like perfect timing after a few weeks recovery. you talk about the route not providing for fast times, i wonder have you ever run in the park?? you critise this run but have not mentioned any of the adidas race series and including the DCM with such vast numbers limit fast times for people but i think your generalising here. the winner of this race certainly will not agree with you. now onto the money aspect you need to look at the races out there and their associated costs and what they offer. i ask you to come up with a list of similar races with better costings and goddies. chip timing systems generally cost €5 euro per person and will only work for very large races. i agree that races should be scrutinised but fairly and with something to back it up with. in my opinion you have done neither.

kurikuji

scary.......the organiser is making a profit and donating to charity yet is still criticised. how many others do this?????

kennyb3

kurikuji wrote: »

scary.......the organiser is making a profit and donating to charity yet is still criticised. how many others do this?????

Relax the cax there, you ve come on here and your first 3 posts are having a go at guys commenting/discussing your race. You go as far as calling one a rival on the other thread just because he expressed an opinion.

This is an opinion/discussions board. Runners regularly discuss races on here. Provide a good race and everything you promise and im sure you ll get good feedback.

But trust me you won't get people running your event by having a go when they express their opinion

kurikuji

hey kennyb3 firstly i have no affiliation with organisers and have said this already, so makes no odds to me. next there is discussions and there is wanton slating of a race with generalised comments with nothing to back up. i cant understand why someone is collecting/donating for charity and people are questioning their motives based on what.....there dislike of a phrase of paragraph.

ecoli

kurikuji wrote: »

hi ecoli had to reply to this. a marathon is a huge accomplishment and once completed participants should build up their milage again and this run would seem like perfect timing after a few weeks recovery. you talk about the route not providing for fast times, i wonder have you ever run in the park?? you critise this run but have not mentioned any of the adidas race series and including the DCM with such vast numbers limit fast times for people but i think your generalising here. the winner of this race certainly will not agree with you. now onto the money aspect you need to look at the races out there and their associated costs and what they offer. i ask you to come up with a list of similar races with better costings and goddies. chip timing systems generally cost €5 euro per person and will only work for very large races. i agree that races should be scrutinised but fairly and with something to back it up with. in my opinion you have done neither.

Where to start with this..........

First off the i agree that after the marathon once the body has recovered from the glycogen depletion and the residual muscle damage a person should begin to build mileage again slowly not jump straight back into a race. I am yet to know any coach or athlete who would advocate an all out race so soon after.


I did not mention the adidas race series is because these are run on the roads not 50/50 between tarmac and grass not to mention narrow paths for the majority of the race as stated in the race blurb

Regarding chip timing i have actually organized races and 5e per person is almost double to the majority of quotes that i have ever got from any of the companies used

Regarding the making a profit comment to its not the fact taht they are its the fact that this is not mentioned while they stress the idea of the charity aspect despite only 5% of the entry fee going to the charity. A fact which was not highlighted until it was asked.

Hope i have addressed all parts of your comment sufficiently to back up my queries and reservations

ecoli

kurikuji wrote: »

hey kennyb3 firstly i have no affiliation with organisers and have said this already, so makes no odds to me. next there is discussions and there is wanton slating of a race with generalised comments with nothing to back up. i cant understand why someone is collecting/donating for charity and people are questioning their motives based on what.....there dislike of a phrase of paragraph.

"Im raising money for X charity will you sponsor me?"

"Sure here is 10 euro its for a good cause"

"Excellent now i have raised over 1000 euro."

"Oh well done 1000euro will go a long way to helping the charity"

"Well there not actually getting most of that i m out of work so needed to make money but still the Charity will be happy i managed to get them 100 euro"

While this is a bit of an exaggerated and flipant scenario it is effectively the reason why people may have an issue with it

kennyb3

kurikuji wrote: »

hey kennyb3 firstly i have no affiliation with organisers and have said this already, so makes no odds to me. next there is discussions and there is wanton slating of a race with generalised comments with nothing to back up. i cant understand why someone is collecting/donating for charity and people are questioning their motives based on what.....there dislike of a phrase of paragraph.

So you ve nothing to do with them and your 4 and only 4 posts are standing up for click events ltd on 2 seperate threads...hmmm.. you are just a passionate guy on this subject i guess.

kurikuji

building up after a marathon is correct but 3 weeks after the marathon is plenty of time to both recover and compete in a 8 miler. many athletes and coaches would compete in races of shorter and longer distances at shorter notice.

i will discount the 50/50 terrain cause i didnt mention it. the reason i quote the adidas series is the narrow roads and in the case of the half marathon a very very narrow path at the magazine fort. i have also seen first hand many falls going down the kyber pass during the race series, but this has not taken away from the fast times and including the pbs i have achieved personally.

please please give me a list of the chip providers at your price i would seriously love to know.

you reference the race blurp so maybe you should have looked at the top and seen the fatc that its being organised by a limited company. how many of them operate to break even??

the thing that has annoyed me to the point i had to respond in the first place is that they are donating to charity while making a profit. does it really make a difference how much they are making the fact that a charity is going to make is all that matters.

i originally asked you to list races that offer the same or better for less money, so no i dont think you have addressed all my issues and still have not backed up with anything.

kurikuji

yes a passionate guy about charities and this one in particular as i am personally connected with them and have raised money on numerous occassions for them. hope your never in this situation but cheers anyway kennyb3

ecoli

kurikuji wrote: »

building up after a marathon is correct but 3 weeks after the marathon is plenty of time to both recover and compete in a 8 miler. many athletes and coaches would compete in races of shorter and longer distances at shorter notice.

i will discount the 50/50 terrain cause i didnt mention it. the reason i quote the adidas series is the narrow roads and in the case of the half marathon a very very narrow path at the magazine fort. i have also seen first hand many falls going down the kyber pass during the race series, but this has not taken away from the fast times and including the pbs i have achieved personally.

please please give me a list of the chip providers at your price i would seriously love to know.

you reference the race blurp so maybe you should have looked at the top and seen the fatc that its being organised by a limited company. how many of them operate to break even??

the thing that has annoyed me to the point i had to respond in the first place is that they are donating to charity while making a profit. does it really make a difference how much they are making the fact that a charity is going to make is all that matters.

i originally asked you to list races that offer the same or better for less money, so no i dont think you have addressed all my issues and still have not backed up with anything.

List of races which even provide more for the same money or less:

Rathfarnam 5k
Waterford Half marathon (okay 2 e more)
BHAA Cork to Cobh 15 miler
Sportsworld 5 miler
Dunshaughlin 10k
Le Cheile 5k

These are just the ones off the top of my head i can think of and bear in mind that these included chip time and all on road so road closures prices become an issue (some of these can ammount to thousands of euro)

You mentioned the half marathon but you have only isolate one point at the magazine fort which is a problem (no denying that) but over the course of the entire race the majority of the race is on wider public roads. People falling does not entail the kyber pass is too narrow i have seen people fall on motorway runs does that mean they are too narrow?

I dont have my folder regarding the details of the last race on hand at the moment but i do remember some of the companies included innovate and race timing systems

TheRoadRunner

3 stars (average)

Not going to get drawn into this one but I seen a quote today of 4 euro per chip for 250 people in a tri event (friend is organising it) while the equivalent price for a road race was 2 euro. I can get the name of the company if anybody is interested! And the price decreases with more entrants so maybe it works out at 5 euro if there are only 100 runners.

ecoli

kurikuji wrote: »

yes a passionate guy about charities and this one in particular as i am personally connected with them and have raised money on numerous occassions for them. hope your never in this situation but cheers anyway kennyb3

I commend this charity and dont get me wrong i have nothing against either the charity or the race organizers but this is becoming a popular trend when charities are exploit as a marketing tool for profit making motives.

My initial comments were pointing out my reservations regarding a race as that is the aim of the forum to address the positives and negatives of races in general. I am not part of any "rival" race and want to see the sport thrive rather than be seen as a cash cow taking advantage of athletes and charities during this current running boom.

ClickEvents

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Not going to get drawn into this one but I seen a quote today of 4 euro per chip for 250 people in a tri event (friend is organising it) while the equivalent price for a road race was 2 euro. I can get the name of the company if anybody is interested! And the price decreases with more entrants so maybe it works out at 5 euro if there are only 100 runners.

Hi TheRoadrunner

Would this info please, all other companies I tried where either too busy or our numbers where to low

Cheers

Stephen

ClickEvents

kennyb3 wrote: »

Relax the cax there, you ve come on here and your first 3 posts are having a go at guys commenting/discussing your race. You go as far as calling one a rival on the other thread just because he expressed an opinion.

This is an opinion/discussions board. Runners regularly discuss races on here. Provide a good race and everything you promise and im sure you ll get good feedback.

But trust me you won't get people running your event by having a go when they express their opinion

Hi Kennyb3

Click Events are organising these events ie myself stephen or tony.

We have answered all questions that where asked. If I could level any criticism towards these race discussions is that I only found out that our races were being discussed late yesterday, and mine and tonys details are available on the website.

Once made aware of a discussion point we have answered honestly and to the best of our ability and will happily answer all reasonable questions.

Our aim is to provide a good race and let the feedback speak for its self

kennyb3

ClickEvents wrote: »

Hi Kennyb3

Click Events are organising these events ie myself stephen or tony.

We have answered all questions that where asked. If I could level any criticism towards these race discussions is that I only found out that our races were being discussed late yesterday, and mine and tonys details are available on the website.

Once made aware of a discussion point we have answered honestly and to the best of our ability and will happily answer all reasonable questions.

Our aim is to provide a good race and let the feedback speak for its self

I wholeheartly commend you for coming on here and answering questions honestly and clearly, hence i didnt quote what you had said. you have satisfied what i need to know with your responses.

I quoted hurikuji because he was giving out about someone expressing an opinion, which they are fully entitled to do.

kennyb3

kurikuji wrote: »

yes a passionate guy about charities and this one in particular as i am personally connected with them and have raised money on numerous occassions for them. hope your never in this situation but cheers anyway kennyb3

Hold your horses there, because i said there was no need to have a go at guys expressing an opinion, i ve suddenly no interest in charities and you hope i never need one. I didnt criticise the charity or race in any of my posts if you read back.

Whether a race is giving any amount of money to a charity be it €1 or €1k i still think people are entitled to ask questions and give an opinion - because they give to charity doesnt exempt them from scrutiny. Stephen has kindly come on and answered all of these questions these which is great.

ClickEvents

Hi Guys

Stephen from click events. Thanks for all the interest and apologies for any misunderstanding with regards to charity donations, but maybe you are right it is easier if we just said it. What some people state as vague I meant as private, and was not our intension to mislead. By just stating Sponsor cards available from ......., I felt when writing Blurb would have implied a larger association.

"We are making a donation to 'Bray Lakers' Sport, Social and recreational club for children and adults with learning, physical and mental health disabilities in North Wicklow and South Dublin. If you would like sponsorship cards please give Anthony a ring on 0860403739 for more information check www.braylakers.ie".

If you don't mind I will change the above entry? The main thing I want was for people if they wished to get a sponsorship card.

Perhaps such discussions should also supply a possible solution also, as such only one person from boards did email us directly with I felt constructive discussion ..... Thanks Shaz

Kind regards

Stephen

plodder

kurikuji wrote: »

yes a passionate guy about charities and this one in particular as i am personally connected with them and have raised money on numerous occassions for them. hope your never in this situation but cheers anyway kennyb3

I think you're being unfair there. The fact is a lot of people aren't happy with the generic "a donation is being made to charity" because they don't know how much is being donated, and whether the event is just using the charity's good name without them benefiting all that much.

Some races donate as much as 50% of the entry fee. So, there's a big difference between that and someone donating a percentage of the profits. People just like to know what they're dealing with.

That said, fair play to the organisers for coming on and answering all the questions.

toebar

ecoli wrote: »

List of races which even provide more for the same money or less:

Rathfarnam 5k
Waterford Half marathon (okay 2 e more)
BHAA Cork to Cobh 15 miler
Sportsworld 5 miler
Dunshaughlin 10k
Le Cheile 5k

These are just the ones off the top of my head i can think of and bear in mind that these included chip time and all on road so road closures prices become an issue (some of these can ammount to thousands of euro)

You mentioned the half marathon but you have only isolate one point at the magazine fort which is a problem (no denying that) but over the course of the entire race the majority of the race is on wider public roads. People falling does not entail the kyber pass is too narrow i have seen people fall on motorway runs does that mean they are too narrow?

I dont have my folder regarding the details of the last race on hand at the moment but i do remember some of the companies included innovate and race timing systems

I know the Le cheile 5Km 3 mile not 8mile doesnt offer chip timing and doesnt offer t shirts no water stations, a great race, but not similiar search harder and facts right before posts

ecoli

toebar wrote: »

I know the Le cheile 5Km 3 mile not 8mile doesnt offer chip timing and doesnt offer t shirts no water stations, a great race, but not similiar search harder and facts right before posts

As i stated it was off the top of my head as i know the used a known timing company but didnt realise it was only for clock hire not chip timing. Regarding water station in a 5k?
What about the other races hopefully gave a wide enough range of distances seeing as there are no eight milers to compare to? granted i think rathfarnham have stopped giving t shirts but have offered quality bags and other things.

The point of the list was to provide top quality races within the price range

RayCun

ecoli wrote: »

granted i think rathfarnham have stopped giving t shirts but have offered quality bags and other things.

Rathfarnham gave a long-sleeved compression top this year.

kurikuji

ok firstly my apologies to rinker it was a typo and not meant in any other way. my reasons for posting in the first place were as follows. As i said in an earlier post charities are hit and hit hard these days and in any way shape or form i would advocate charitable donations. Criticisms lodged towards companies doing so have stopped them from doing this in the past and its the charities that suffer.
i would totally agree that people should have opinions and be free to express them but i would think that these should be done afterwards rather than before. I still run with this and feel that the race and organisation was being unfairly criticised before the event took place, so therefore judged completely unfairly. How can a sport thrive if there is negativity aimed at organisers before they have done anything. I agree with the points that there are unscrupulous organisations out there using the charitable donations line but lets not get drawn into generalising everyone.
With regard the kyber pass what i meant was that it was to narrow for the amount of people running through it and the causes of falls were because of sheer volumes running or trying to get through a arrow run way.
With regard to the chip pricing, i think it has been addressed by the organisers of the race and others that while yes it is possible to get cheaper prices it means having to have greater numbers. The organisers had said that they expected around 100 people and therefore the chip pricing was based on that.
Now kennyb3. You Originally suggested that i was associated with this organisation when i had clearly stated to the contrary although you have changed that since to me having a go at people having and opinion. Now your stating that i said you had no interest in charities and hope you never need one and should read back the posts. Firstly i have read the posts back numerous times, secondly i never said you had no interest in charities and thirdly i never said hope you never need one. I said hope your never in this situation regarding defending charitable donations from companies.
It would seem that the organisers have got it wrong in this situation with the phrasing of the “donation to charity” line and to some extent i can concur with that but my point all the way through is that a charitable donation is a charitable donation regardless of percentage. Yes it is very unfair for organisations to be using the charitable line and banking most of the profits but thats life and its always going to go on but criticising them to the point that they might in future withdraw from donating is heartbreaking.
Now as a finish to what might seem like war and peace post i tried to express my opinions through this forum and probably have overstepped the mark or not explained myself properly and for this i apologise. It was not my intention to offend or cause such a commotion.

kennyb3

kurikuji wrote: »

Now kennyb3. You Originally suggested that i was associated with this organisation when i had clearly stated to the contrary although you have changed that since to me having a go at people having and opinion. Now your stating that i said you had no interest in charities and hope you never need one and should read back the posts. Firstly i have read the posts back numerous times, secondly i never said you had no interest in charities and thirdly i never said hope you never need one. I said hope your never in this situation regarding defending charitable donations from companies.

look no worries, as i said i felt you were a bit OTT when others expressed an opinion. I did suggest you were associated with the organisers - i was wrong but not far wrong - you re associated with the charity. It was just obvious you had a vested interest.

Re the not being in that position, I obviously got the wrong end of the stick, apologies.

ecoli

kurikuji wrote: »

i would totally agree that people should have opinions and be free to express them but i would think that these should be done afterwards rather than before. I still run with this and feel that the race and organisation was being unfairly criticised before the event took place, so therefore judged completely unfairly. How can a sport thrive if there is negativity aimed at organisers before they have done anything. I agree with the points that there are unscrupulous organisations out there using the charitable donations line but lets not get drawn into generalising everyone.

I can understand your concern regarding the implications on the charity here however i think highlighting reservations before hand is actually more beneficial to the race as a whole.
I have seen races poorly organized in their first attempt which as a result of the negative feedback never got off the ground and some didnt even make it to their second year.
Is not better point out certain points through which the race can take onboard and hopefully produce a well organized race giving people a positive outlook and allowing the race to grow in both size and stature. We all know that know races gets it completely right the first time but as long as there is the nucleus to a good race and growth potential people will see this.
Again i made an oversight regarding the contact details but the point of highlighting these was not malicious

p3-fitz

ecoli wrote: »

Again i made an oversight regarding the contact details but the point of highlighting these was not malicious

I presume, you mean "malicious"

ecoli

p3-fitz wrote: »

I presume, you mean "malicious"

Oops:D

Sklarker

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Will I be a fraud if I do this race having not run the DCM I might even be considering it as being a long race :eek:

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