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  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭estadio


    People going for science degrees like engineering don't require the extra points however Maths HL is a lot of work and i believe extra points will reward that extra effort required to achieve a high grade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Davidius


    estadio wrote: »
    People going for science degrees like engineering don't require the extra points however Maths HL is a lot of work and i believe extra points will reward that extra effort required to achieve a high grade.
    That's just the thing though, HL maths isn't a lot of work for some students. Of all the subjects I did I found it the easiest whereas I was quite useless at Irish.
    The only people who would really benefit from extra points in HL maths are those looking for a course that doesn't have a lot of applicants with HL maths. That would suggest the college doesn't see it as a necessity so it seems quite unfair that a student would get preference because they studied something irrelevant to the course at a higher level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    I don't really agree with the bonus points, although I'd be all up for it this time 2 years ago! (Dear God I'm so old...:()

    Sure it might get more people to do it, but I think people will start putting more and more time into maths and neglect the rest of the subjects, I found myself doing that anyway without the extra incentive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    I could pretty much argue that actually. Firstly, seeing as you only sat in on two modules in first year you can't just make a snap judgement about a business degrees in general. From my own experiences with my degree, the aim of first year was to give us a basic foundation of knowledge across a wide variety of business related subjects. This means that some people good at maths may have found my introductory business maths module easy, I personally found it difficult as I have always struggled with maths. But for every module that someone found easy, there were 3 more difficult ones to take its place.

    This idea that business degrees are easier than science/maths based degrees is most definitely a naive one. I have plenty of friends doing science based degrees who have said that they would struggle with my workload and modules. I was always quite good at science and I did Biology and Chemistry for the Leaving Cert. I sat in on a few Biology/Chemistry lectures with my friends last year and I found them quite easy to understand, however I would never say that all science degrees are easier than other degrees.

    Different subject areas require different skill-sets. Not only do we have to be intellectual and learn a great deal about a wide range of diverse subjects including Law, Economics, Accounting, Management etc, but we also have to be quite outgoing and gregarious. We have to be able to work with people, deal with them effectively and understand their motives and needs. This requires an in-depth knowledge of management styles and methods. We have to be comfortable speaking in front of large amounts of people, making presentations and writing speeches. This may sound basic and but We have to be creative and innovative on a daily basis, always trying to think outside the box and envisage new, fresh ideas.

    Judging a degree or even a subject on it's perceived difficulty is just ridiculous IMO. Different types of people are skilled in different areas. I'm sure many Maths students would find an Arts degree quite difficult and vice versa. Just think back to the Leaving Cert. If you took 10 students and asked them what the hardest Leaving Cert subject is, you would get a whole myriad of different answers.

    I'm just sick of dealing with the ignorant attitude of some people toward different types of degrees. Arts students usually get the brunt of it but us business-folk sometimes get dragged in as well.


    /rant over:P

    I didn't judge the worth of the degree on it's difficulty. Nor do I think that the subjects studied in BESS are easier than in other degrees, but the level that some of them are studied at in first and second year is low enough. And I did say that i only have experience of 1st and 2nd year. I know that they have to have a good knowledge in their chosen subjects for their actual degree. It's also two modules out of 6 which added on to maths makes up half of their year.

    I don't think difficulty affects the worth of a degree but it'd be naive to assume that the work required in every course is equal. Someone who we'd have all considered to be probably the most intelligent and hard-working in our course transferred into Mathematics and said it was much harder than what we'd been doing.


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