Looking for advice on Supplements

ducie

Have never used any before, dont really know anything about them but just looking for some info on what i should use if any. I play GAA and Soccer. Round summer time i tend to drop weight and get very skinny round the neck and chest.
25yo M 13st

have been looking up these:
Creatine Monohydrate
Whey Protein

Any Suggestions or advice?

Bottle_of_Smoke

How tall and how much do you play? If you're getting too skinny you're prob just not eating enough.

Wouldn't bother with creatine, maybe a protein shake with milk a day, or at least after you have a match/training.

On the other hand maybe just drink an additional litre or two of milk over the course of the day. 1 liter of half fat milk milk gives you around 32-34g of protein and 500ish calories.

ducie

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

How tall and how much do you play? If you're getting too skinny you're prob just not eating enough.

Wouldn't bother with creatine, maybe a protein shake with milk a day, or at least after you have a match/training.

On the other hand maybe just drink an additional litre or two of milk over the course of the day. 1 liter of half fat milk milk gives you around 32-34g of protein and 500ish calories.

6ft. Train 3 times a week game at weekend.

Read a bit about creatine and Whey, they are made out to be the great?

MingulayJohnny

There are alternatives to Whey and Creatine which aren't such a burden on the Kidneys and liver. Depends on your own system of course so you could try them out in lower dosages at first and monitor your reactions. You should look into fermented brown rice protein which has all of the amino acids and protein needed to muscle repair and possible muscle building if needs be. I don't know if we're allowed to link to particular brands here so I won't chance it.

Bottle_of_Smoke

ducie wrote: »

6ft. Train 3 times a week game at weekend.

Read a bit about creatine and Whey, they are made out to be the great?

I'd definitely take something if you're losing weight. I recommended against creatine but I didn't realise you were doing so much. I'll let someone with a better knowledge answer on that.

Here's a study on a creatine supplement which had positive results

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20156347

As for whey - it is the most commonly used protein powder. Basically its a cheap and efficient way of getting extra protein into your diet, I actually use casein protein myself which digests more slowly but overall prob doesn't make much difference.

Both whey and casein are components of milk concentrated. Mix with milk and you'll get lots of extra calories too, which you need to prevent weight loss.

MingulayJohnny

I recommended the brown rice protein because I can't take Casein but if your okay with it then it should be okay in the right dosages. Just make sure that if the whey is American sourced that it's not from cows that have been treated with growth hormones as this can have a negative effects on your health.

Mellor

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

I recommended the brown rice protein because I can't take Casein but if your okay with it then it should be okay in the right dosages. Just make sure that if the whey is American sourced that it's not from cows that have been treated with growth hormones as this can have a negative effects on your health.

Bovine growth hormone, and products that have it are banned in europe.

jugger0

Whats your diet like? if your diets sh1t theres no point in buying supplements. If your losing weight your just not eating enough, so you have to sort that out first.

Whey and creatine are both great supplements, i take them daily, but they arent magic beans, get your diet sorted or you'll be wasting your money!

Esse85

Stick a typical days diet up.

I would bet you just need to increase your food intake.

ducie

Esse85 wrote: »

Stick a typical days diet up.

I would bet you just need to increase your food intake.

Mon - Fri

10.30
Scrambled egg,mabey slice of bacon, tea

1.30
chicken or tuna salad, tea

6.00
stir fry, loads of veg with either chichen breast or steak. pint of water

9.30
tea, mabey biscuit.

Fri to Sun

breakfast- toast and bacon

dinner

Potatoe, veg, meat.

Will Heffernan

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

There are alternatives to Whey and Creatine which aren't such a burden on the Kidneys and liver. Depends on your own system of course so you could try them out in lower dosages at first and monitor your reactions. You should look into fermented brown rice protein which has all of the amino acids and protein needed to muscle repair and possible muscle building if needs be. I don't know if we're allowed to link to particular brands here so I won't chance it.

Whey and creatine are a burden on your kidneys and liver? That's just simply garbage. I know that I am supposed to be nicer to people or not make other posters cry but people keep trotting out this stuff and it is just plain wrong.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion...but that doesn't mean that you have to share it. If you are going to write completely unsubstantiated rubbish at least preface it with...'In my opinion....' so people know that you are just talking out your hoop.

Creatine and whey are not a burden on your kidneys any liver and more than sardines and milk are.

Esse85

ducie wrote: »

Mon - Fri

10.30
Scrambled egg,mabey slice of bacon, tea

1.30
chicken or tuna salad, tea

6.00
stir fry, loads of veg with either chichen breast or steak. pint of water

9.30
tea, mabey biscuit.

Fri to Sun

breakfast- toast and bacon

dinner

Potatoe, veg, meat.

Your diet is the problem. You dont need supps.

ducie

Esse85 wrote: »

Your diet is the problem. You dont need supps.

You think i dont eat enough?

ducie

Esse85 wrote: »

Your diet is the problem. You dont need supps.

Explain yourself..

xgtdec

Hi There

Can i ask if your first meal is 10.30, what time do you get out of bed at?

ducie

xgtdec wrote: »

Hi There

Can i ask if your first meal is 10.30, what time do you get out of bed at?

7.45

Dont be hungry in the morning..

Magic Eight Ball

ducie wrote: »

7.45

Dont be hungry in the morning..

I'll never understand this.
500g oats and 6 eggs right off the bat or I can't function.

xgtdec

if i could have a fridge of eggs and oats under the bed i would, if your going nearly 3 hours on empty its a disaster for you metabolism...it needs to be fired the second your awake, you should be putting your feet on the floor of your bedroom as your reaching for breakfast;),

ducie

Magic Eight Ball wrote: »

I'll never understand this.
500g oats and 6 eggs right off the bat or I can't function.

well to be honest i do be a little hungry but i find is of no advantage to eat at that hour, as i will be just as hungry come 10.30 if i do eat, unless it is a fry or a breakfast roll..

ducie

xgtdec wrote: »

if i could have a fridge of eggs and oats under the bed i would, if your going nearly 3 hours on empty its a disaster for you metabolism...it needs to be fired the second your awake, you should be putting your feet on the floor of your bedroom as your reaching for breakfast;),

in what way is it a disaster?

xgtdec

The quicker you eat the quicker your system gets to work the quicker your energy flows and you get on with your day...how you go 3 hours with no food to me is amazing...i couldnt go 5 minutes in the morning!!, a quick google of "not eating breakfast" should tell you all you need to know!

john_cappa

ducie wrote: »

well to be honest i do be a little hungry but i find is of no advantage to eat at that hour, as i will be just as hungry come 10.30 if i do eat, unless it is a fry or a breakfast roll..

There is no advantage as you are still hungry by 10.30???

So basically your body uses up what ever you put into it and your hungry again by 10.30.....this might suggest that there is every advantage to eating breakfast for you.

If you want to put on weight then you need to sort your diet out.

john_cappa

ducie wrote: »

Mon - Fri
Have a meal at 7.30.
Something like porridge and eggs.
Beans on wholegrain toast with a pint of milk
60-100g blended oats with milk and maybe some whey.

10.30
Scrambled egg,mabey slice of bacon, tea + some carbs. 3 or 4 slices of whole grain bread and a spoon of natural peanut butter

1.30
chicken or tuna salad, tea + carbs or any sort. Drizzle some olive oil over the salad


6.00
stir fry, loads of veg with either chichen breast or steak. + carbs of any sort.

9.30
tea, mabey biscuit.
A proper meal of some sort with carbs/protein/fats sources is need here

You want to put on weight but currently are eating no carbs what so ever.

Some simple ideas above.

squod

Reatiler in Drogheda doing 5lbs of whey for €37 at the moment if anyone is interested. Myprotien.rip/off is charging €39 for something similar.

JJayoo

To be fair your showing true whey, its alway more expensive

http://www.myprotein.com/ie/products/impact-whey-protein

This is there impact whey 2.5kg for 29euro.

Brian?

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

I recommended the brown rice protein because I can't take Casein but if your okay with it then it should be okay in the right dosages. Just make sure that if the whey is American sourced that it's not from cows that have been treated with growth hormones as this can have a negative effects on your health.

This is nonsense. Growth hormone for cattle is illegal in europe, however it's not in the states.

Why can't you 'take' Casein?

Esse85

ducie wrote: »

You think i dont eat enough?

You eat what a person hoping to lose weight would eat. Follow John Cappa's advice.

ducie

john_cappa wrote: »

You want to put on weight but currently are eating no carbs what so ever.

Some simple ideas above.

in my first post i said i was 13st, i wouldnt say i need to put on weight! obviously i havent always eatin like this otherwise i wouldnt be 13st. have only started eating like this because i reckon i need to lose a few pounds.
last year i eat loads of carbs every day and still got skinny when i was at my most active..
this is why i want to enquire about supplements as i dont wany to eat loads of carbs and put on fat..

ducie

john_cappa wrote: »

There is no advantage as you are still hungry by 10.30???

So basically your body uses up what ever you put into it and your hungry again by 10.30.....this might suggest that there is every advantage to eating breakfast for you.

If you want to put on weight then you need to sort your diet out.

you havent explained how this is an advantage..

im actually more hungry at 10.30 if i do eat in the morning

john_cappa

ducie wrote: »

you havent explained how this is an advantage..

im actually more hungry at 10.30 if i do eat in the morning

Explain why it is a disadvantage?

Look mate dont bother eating at 10.30 either ok? I mean whats the point.....your gonna be hungry by 1.30 again anyway. Hell dont bother eating then either as there is no advantage to it as your gonna be hungry again by 6.

I honestly cant take you seriously now with the questions you are asking. My advice regarding your diet is above.

Blatter

Guys, it's not as easy as you think just to start eating breakfast in the morning, especially if the OP hasn't been doing if for years, which I suspect he has not been. It's something you get in the habbit of after a couple of weeks, not something you turn on and off like a tap so i'm not suprised the OP is probably thinking 'no, way can I eat all that in the morning!' OP, it is vital that you eat first thing in the morning and I do advise you to start building it up to the most important meal of your day over the next couple of weeks. Start with a small bowl of oats with some honey/peanut butter or some fruit. Just make sure you start eating man! Then, gradually increase this over the next couple of weeks. Try aim for 600-800Kcal for breakfast.

ducie

john_cappa wrote: »

Explain why it is a disadvantage?

Look mate dont bother eating at 10.30 either ok? I mean whats the point.....your gonna be hungry by 1.30 again anyway. Hell dont bother eating then either as there is no advantage to it as your gonna be hungry again by 6.

I honestly cant take you seriously now with the questions you are asking. My advice regarding your diet is above.

i appreciate the diet advice but i think you need to relax. i jus dont need a breakfast first thing to function and im fairly sure im not th only one. however i do need to eat at 10.30 as i am actually hungry at this stage. i think my body as adapted to this over time. but i have not always eatin like this only in the last couple of years.. trying to drop a couple of pounds that is why the no carbs..

Blatter

ducie wrote: »

i appreciate the diet advice but i think you need to relax. i jus dont need a breakfast first thing to function and im fairly sure im not th only one. however i do need to eat at 10.30 as i am actually hungry at this stage. i think my body as adapted to this over time. but i have not always eatin like this only in the last couple of years.. trying to drop a couple of pounds that is why the no carbs..

Rubbish, your body has just gotten used to you skipping it so you feel 'normal' without it. Studies show that those who eat breakfast have increased longevity, a greater sense of well being, quicker reaction times, and better overall health than those who skip the meal.

Esse85

Ducie your attitude stinks.

john_cappa

ducie wrote: »

i appreciate the diet advice but i think you need to relax. i jus dont need a breakfast first thing to function and im fairly sure im not th only one. however i do need to eat at 10.30 as i am actually hungry at this stage. i think my body as adapted to this over time. but i have not always eatin like this only in the last couple of years.. trying to drop a couple of pounds that is why the no carbs..

I am relaxed.

You need to listen.

You came on wanting advice on supps fo putting on weight/keeping on weight so you dont get skinny around neck/chest. I gave advice that you dont need supps and your diet is wrong. You choose to ignore that and decide you are correct.

I will tell you what you want to hear so.

Yes, creatine and whey are exactly what you need. Breakfast is also for losers.

SpookyBastard

Like you Ducie, I am someone who doesn't need breakfast first thing in the morning to function but guess what... that doesn't mean that's the right thing to do. Up until recently it must have been years since I actually ate at breakfast time... what does that make me... kinda dumb to be honest. If you want to keep weight on you need to eat and that includes breakfast. What you're doing at the moment is simply something you've trained your body to do. We don't feel hungry because we don't eat breakfast. You'd be suprised how quickly I now feel hungry in the morning because my body has learned to expect breakfast. My diet isn't perfect but, as someone who had to start by forcing myself to eat breakfast, I'm in much better shape now then in my no-breakfast days.

You came looking for advice. Do yourself a favour and start eating breakfast. Sure you don't feel hungry, etc etc etc neither did I but eat breakfast anyway and enjoy the results.

SanoVitae

ducie wrote: »

i appreciate the diet advice but i think you need to relax. i jus dont need a breakfast first thing to function and im fairly sure im not th only one. however i do need to eat at 10.30 as i am actually hungry at this stage. i think my body as adapted to this over time. but i have not always eatin like this only in the last couple of years.. trying to drop a couple of pounds that is why the no carbs..

Hunger is your body's way of reminding you that you need to eat food - you should be eating before you get that reminder/hunger pang. The same applies to thirst.

MingulayJohnny

briankeating wrote: »

This is nonsense. Growth hormone for cattle is illegal in europe, however it's not in the states.

Why can't you 'take' Casein?

That's why I said Whey that's American sourced can come from cattle treated with growth hormones. I can't consume Casein because I would bloat up like a balloon and feel like hammered **** for hours afterwards. I'm always amazed at how posters on internet forums can use such absolute terms such as 'This is nonsense' without reading the post properly.

bytey

i cant face loads of food in the morn either , but since I got back in the gym
i am making the effort to load up in the morn , and its paying off .
im actually starting to become hungry in the morn now

im also lifting as hard as i can without dying ,
( or at least puking my guts up ) though

i used to train as a BB 10 or 11 years ago ,

and forgot how easy it is to get big if you eat loads but
train hard 3 times a week ( compounds only )

but hard means really hard

so glad i finally got back into this again

Mellor

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

That's why I said Whey that's American sourced can come from cattle treated with growth hormones. I can't consume Casein because I would bloat up like a balloon and feel like hammered **** for hours afterwards. I'm always amazed at how posters on internet forums can use such absolute terms such as 'This is nonsense' without reading the post properly.

His point that its nonsense was based on the fact that BGH while legal in the states, is illegal in europe and therefore all whey from the states sold in europe whould have to be BGH free. I already said this myself.

Kinda ironic that you mention not readign a post properly.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Ok, everyone calm down

Ducie, your first post implied you were looking to counteract getting too skinny when you were active. Therefore people are suggesting methods such as eating carbs to do this.

Before I suggested protein shakes I had assumed you were already eating carbs.

I'd suspect your calorie intake is too low for how active you are - therefore you're getting too skinny. Not only this I'd say you're losing strength because to get the calories your body is more than likely burning up your muscle stores:eek: Like everyone else I would suggest introducing oats or wholemeal bread to breakfast, and have some basmati rice with your lunch/dinner

ducie

just want to say thanks for the advice, i wasnt trying to dismiss any of it. will definately take it all on board..

jugger0

If you cant eat in the morning drink a litre of milk, then add in a banana one day then move on to eggs... i had the same problem too, hated breakfast! cant go without it now.