Jews

jam_mac_jam

Can somebody explain to me the obsession with the Jews? Has it got worse around here because everything seems to be Jews, does anybody really believe this crap that they are controling the world. Why are we not all worried about the wasps, surely they are who if anyone controls the world. How are we meant to believe that they have such control? They are a tiny minority, what is the obsession is this a throw back to 70 years ago? Where is this crap coming from.

Lab_Mouse

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Where is this crap coming from.

Stormfront and other white supremist sites.Its a well known CT.The posters on this forum dress it up well.And you cant call them nazi's cos you will get a one month ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

Think we need 2 new megathreads one for 911 and one for jews/israel/ZOG

The Recliner

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

Stormfront and other white supremist sites.Its a well known CT.The posters on this forum dress it up well.And you cant call them nazi's cos you will get a one month ban.

The ban varies depending on your track record on the forum

If someone is doing something agains the charter report them and we will deal with it

jam_mac_jam

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

Stormfront and other white supremist sites.Its a well known CT.The posters on this forum dress it up well.And you cant call them nazi's cos you will get a one month ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

Think we need 2 new megathreads one for 911 and one for jews/israel/ZOG

I know its a well known CT but it seems to be creeping into lots of other ones. There are much more powerful people we should be worried about in my opinion, I just dont really get it at all.

nullzero

I don't believe that anyone here is seriously coming from a white supremacist point of view and if you're going make accusations of such things you really need to be dealing in hard evidence as opposed to your own opinion.

"The Jews" are a popular target for CT's because of the open conspiracies the Isreali state is engaged in with regard to their ties to the U.S.A and their conduct within the U.N and the way they treat their neighbours.

I don't believe for a second that every jewish person in the world is out to enslave us all, it just happens that certain prominent people who are seen as being part of the NWO brigade are Jewish. Even more of those people are not Jewish also, but the wires get crossed on the difference between a Jewish person and the Isreali state etc.

I'd suggest to the OP that if you have concerns about xenophobia on the forum you would be best advised to report them to the site staff and allow them to deal with it.

jam_mac_jam

nullzero wrote: »

I don't believe that anyone here is seriously coming from a white supremacist point of view and if you're going make accusations of such things you really need to be dealing in hard evidence as opposed to your own opinion.

"The Jews" are a popular target for CT's because of the open conspiracies the Isreali state is engaged in with regard to their ties to the U.S.A and their conduct within the U.N and the way they treat their neighbours.

I don't believe for a second that every jewish person in the world is out to enslave us all, it just happens that certain prominent people who are seen as being part of the NWO brigade are Jewish. Even more of those people are not Jewish also, but the wires get crossed on the difference between a Jewish person and the Isreali state etc.

I'd suggest to the OP that if you have concerns about xenophobia on the forum you would be best advised to report them to the site staff and allow them to deal with it.

I am not really concerned by it, it doesnt really bother me, more boring than anything. I am more curious as to where it comes from because it seems very illogical to me.

nullzero

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I am not really concerned by it, it doesnt really bother me, more boring than anything. I am more curious as to where it comes from because it seems very illogical to me.

That begs the question of why you started a thread about it.
You could have PM'd the users whose opinions you're curious about.

Next time you're finding yourself bored by a topic, stop and think; "Do I really want to start a thread about this?"

Talk about illogical.

jam_mac_jam

nullzero wrote: »

That begs the question of why you started a thread about it.
You could have PM'd the users whose opinions you're curious about.

Next time you're finding yourself bored by a topic, stop and think; "Do I really want to start a thread about this?"

Talk about illogical.

I am curious, that's why I started the thread. I dont think that's illogical at all.Its the theory of it that interests me not the racism, sorry if the thread is not good enough for you . Its just a question because it seems to come up a lot. And yes I did want to start a thread on it because I was curious as to the thoughts of others and reasoning behind it.

catbear

I'm interested too, it's the historical angle in Irish society that interests me.

Brown Bomber

Your confusing Judaism (religion)with Zionism (Facist ideology). There are many more Christian Zionists in America that there are Jewish Zionists in the whole world. So quite clearly it is not an issue of religion.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Can somebody explain to me the obsession with the Jews? Has it got worse around here because everything seems to be Jews, does anybody really believe this crap that they are controling the world. Why are we not all worried about the wasps, surely they are who if anyone controls the world. How are we meant to believe that they have such control? They are a tiny minority, what is the obsession is this a throw back to 70 years ago? Where is this crap coming from.

Well I primarily get my world news from Israeli daily Haaretz. I especially reccomend Gideon Levy
http://www.haaretz.com/meta/Tag/Gideon%20Levy

Online my main sources (and it is the truth) are

Phillip Weiss and David Horrowitz at mondoweiss
http://mondoweiss.net/

Max Blumenthal
http://maxblumenthal.com/

Richard Silverstein
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/

Anna Baltzer
http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/

Gilad Atzmon
http://www.gilad.co.uk/

And for historical context

Naom Chomsky
http://www.chomsky.info/

(If ever you can get your hands on failed states read it, it's what really woke me up.)

Naomi Klein
http://www.naomiklein.org/main

Prof. Israel Shahak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak

Dr Norman Finkelstein
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/

Every single one of the above are Jews...

jam_mac_jam

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your confusing Judaism (religion)with Zionism (Facist ideology). There are many more Christian Zionists in America that there are Jewish Zionists in the whole world. So quite clearly it is not an issue of religion.



Well I primarily get my world news from Israeli daily Haaretz. I especially reccomend Gideon Levy
http://www.haaretz.com/meta/Tag/Gideon%20Levy

Online my main sources (and it is the truth) are

Phillip Weiss and David Horrowitz at mondoweiss
http://mondoweiss.net/

Max Blumenthal
http://maxblumenthal.com/

Richard Silverstein
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/

Anna Baltzer
http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/

Gilad Atzmon
http://www.gilad.co.uk/

And for historical context

Naom Chomsky
http://www.chomsky.info/

(If ever you can get your hands on failed states read it, it's what really woke me up.)

Naomi Klien
http://www.naomiklein.org/main

Prof. Israel Shahak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak

Dr Norman Finkelstein
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/

Every single one of the above are Jews...

Thank you, the only ones there I have read is Klien, Chomsky and Finkelstein. I shall have a read.

nullzero

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I am curious, that's why I started the thread. I dont think that's illogical at all.Its the theory of it that interests me not the racism, sorry if the thread is not good enough for you . Its just a question because it seems to come up a lot. And yes I did want to start a thread on it because I was curious as to the thoughts of others and reasoning behind it.

I gave a decent answer to your question.
I don't really appreciate the implication of the part of your quote I highlighted.

jam_mac_jam

nullzero wrote: »

I gave a decent answer to your question.
I don't really appreciate the implication of the part of your quote I highlighted.

Sorry. Shouldnt have got snotty. You did give a good answer to the question, what I was looking for really.

Its just you asked me

nullzero wrote: »

"Do I really want to start a thread about this?"

Talk about illogical.

So it was in answer to that really.

Cavehill Red

The root of the 'Jewish conspiracy' is three-fold: historical, Israel-related, and related to the proportion of Jewish-ethnic people involved at high levels of certain governments and corporations.

The historical element goes back beyond the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a noted forgery) to generic suspicion of Jews from the early Middle Ages onwards, when they kept themselves apart as a people and conducted certain business practices, including financial ones, that Christians didn't. Thus, when people had a problem with coming off worst in such business dealings, it was all too easy to blame the Jews in general.

The Israel-related element is the one with the most credibility. There is no doubt that Israel as a state is involved in ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their land, and have acted to achieve this by way of spying and even assassination in third party countries.
Because Israel is a self-identified 'Jewish' state, it is all too easy for some people to start suspecting all Jews of being sympathetic to Israel (and a majority probably are) and then going from that point to concluding that all Jews are potential Israeli agents.
While obviously Mr Solomon down the road is unlikely to be an active member of Mossad, it is sadly true that Jewish communities all over the world will generally rally to Israel's cause, however, providing financial and public relations assistance when necessary.

The final element is the one probably most relevant on this board. It is an easily established fact that many very wealthy people are of Jewish origin, as are many people involved at a high level in political and business circles, especially in places like America, Britain, Russia and France.
In comparison to the small number of Jews outside of Israel, the number of Jews in such positions often can seem highly disproportionate.
The explanation may be that Jews are simply naturally brighter than other people (this has been tentatively suggested by some studies into IQ), or it may be that they are simply more attuned to careers in the areas of politics and high finance by virtue of their upbringing (which often focuses on self-confidence and academic achievement) and history (which has led Jewish families to have long-standing traditions of working in financial and investment sectors.)

When I hear of ZOG and so on, I find it risible. But when I hear of Jewish students hijacking global discussion forums to defend Israeli interests (such as the 'loudhailer' software many Jewish students used during the last war with Hizbollah), I find that entirely plausible.

nullzero

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Sorry. Shouldnt have got snotty. You did give a good answer to the question, what I was looking for really.

Its just you asked me So it was in answer to that really.

On reflection after my first post and having seen you say the topic bores you I felt that perhaps you could have posed your questions via PM that's all. Perhaps I was being a bit simplistic in my assessment of what you were saying.

We'll forget about that anyway.
Hopefully you wont be put off asking any firther questions and contributing to the forum in the future.

meglome

Cavehill Red has it on the money there. Over the century's Jews have been targeted by states as scapegoats. They became money lenders as the catholic church didn't allow Catholics to do it. Can't remember what English king got a huge loan from the Jews then expelled them all so he wouldn't have to repay it. They have been badly mistreated.

Anyway most of the stuff that comes up about Jews tends to fall into 3 categories... has no evidence, obviously rubbish or provably false. It's a favourite of many people out there to seek out any Jew that was even in the vicinity of a CT, maybe walking their dog and try to blame them in some way.

Now don't get me wrong Israel has done some terrible things but I don't buy for a second that all Jews are somehow of one mind and will blindly agree with each other.

sligopark

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

And you cant call them nazi's cos you will get a one month ban.

so Israeli Zionists cannot be comparatively described as today's world nazi's?

Mahatma coat

A lot of the modern Suspiciontowards the Jude is because of a Book Some of them wrote called

The Protocols of Zion

it outlines the 'Jewish Plot' to enslave the rest of us.

digme

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Can somebody explain to me the obsession with the Jews? Has it got worse around here because everything seems to be Jews, does anybody really believe this crap that they are controling the world. Why are we not all worried about the wasps, surely they are who if anyone controls the world. How are we meant to believe that they have such control? They are a tiny minority, what is the obsession is this a throw back to 70 years ago? Where is this crap coming from.

Ever hear of a track record ?

Lab_Mouse

sligopark wrote: »

so Israeli Zionists cannot be comparatively described as today's world nazi's?

of course they are!talk about stating the obvious:rolleyes:Have you not read any of the threads on this forum recently.88HH

Lab_Mouse

digme wrote: »

Ever hear of a track record ?

Yep thats why they have been persecuted for centuries.All totally justified!!

Yitzhak Rabin

This thread is descending into the usual accusations of antisemitism, and also to be fair, some borderline anti-semitic remarks. Unless the standard of debate takes a drastic turn for the better, its getting locked

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

A lot of the modern Suspiciontowards the Jude is because of a Book Some of them wrote called

The Protocols of Zion

it outlines the 'Jewish Plot' to enslave the rest of us.

i assumed you would be aware that this document was made up?

Plagiarism Sources and Origin of the Plot

Implicated in the creation of the forgery was Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky, head of the Paris office of the Russian Secret Police during the same time period.[13][14]

The source material for the forgery was the synthesis of an 1864 book of fiction by French political satirist Maurice Joly, titled Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu or Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu and a chapter from a 1868 book of fiction entitled "Biarritz" by antisemitic German novelist Hermann Goedsche, which had been translated into Russian in 1872.[15]

Joly's book was written as a veiled attack on the political ambitions of Napoleon III. In the book, Napoleon III was represented by Machiavelli[16] and was depicted as secretly plotting to rule the world. Joly, a monarchist and legitimist, had been imprisoned as a direct result of his book's publication.

jam_mac_jam

yekahs wrote: »

This thread is descending into the usual accusations of antisemitism, and also to be fair, some borderline anti-semitic remarks. Unless the standard of debate takes a drastic turn for the better, its getting locked

Sorry I did not in any way mean to be accusing people of anti semitism, so I am sorry if that was the way it came accross.

Yitzhak Rabin

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Sorry I did not in any way mean to be accusing people of anti semitism, so I am sorry if that was the way it came accross.

Don't worry, it wasn't directed at you.

digme

yekahs wrote: »

This thread is descending into the usual accusations of antisemitism, and also to be fair, some borderline anti-semitic remarks. Unless the standard of debate takes a drastic turn for the better, its getting locked

You do know Semitic is about language?

Yitzhak Rabin

digme wrote: »

You do know Semitic is about language?

I am not getting into this semantic argument again.

The origin of a phrase or idiom does not translate to its day to day usage. In modern spoken English, Anti-semitic means prejudice against Jewish people.

Merriam Webster Dictionary wrote:

hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

digme

If you used that word in Israel you'd be laughed at.

If I criticise an Israeli, am I an anti semite?

A controversial national loyalty oath took a step closer to becoming law on Wednesday as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lost a battle to soften the wording of a new citizen's declaration.
Ministers approved a draft of the proposed oath, which would require anyone taking Israeli citizenship to swear allegiance to Israel as a "Jewish and democratic state".

Kinda racist isn't it?

Yitzhak Rabin

digme wrote: »

If you used that word in Israel you'd be laughed at.

I have been to Israel and that was not my experience. Have you?

If I criticise an Israeli, am I an anti semite?

Not at all

Kinda racist isn't it?

If they mean it as an ethnicity then yes. If they mean it as a religion, then they are no different than us who describe our country as a catholic state (which I oppose BTW)

digme

You got 2 out of 3 wrong there
I've been there too and find them highly arrogant people.

sligopark

digme wrote: »

You do know Semitic is about language?

huh? I thought it was above nationality etc and more about claim to background or establishment of faith via sexual mutilitation of male children (the chopping off of the end of their penial attachments) and serving time on the control of their palestinian prison camps (as learned from their time in german war camps) ...

chop off the end of your male sex bits = jew

chop off the end of your female sex bits = nigerian refugee

I'm a bit lost ....

tomasocarthaigh

A quote from Daniel O Connell praises the fact the Irish never persecuted the Jews throughout history.

It was only to last another 100 years. From the Limerick pogrom to the rise of fascism and clowns like Oliver J Flanagan, it is still popular today, masked as sympathy for the Palestinians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTmW5Rv5x4k

Some is whipped up by religion: they crucified Jesus.
Some whipped up by politics: they own the banks, we owe the banks, balme those who own the banks for the money we owe and cant pay back.
Some is bigotry: they are "different".

More liably the latter, justified by the first, to excuse the second.

Anyone who hates Jews is an idiot. A good rule of thumb for life. Look at the low lifes on the www.pravda.ru forums to see what I mean.

sligopark

tomasocarthaigh wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTmW5Rv5x4k

Agreed - why don't we hate the british instead...

www.irishholocaust.org

8 million Irish starved on purpose by the british during the Irish British Famine...

Brown Bomber

tomasocarthaigh wrote: »

A quote from Daniel O Connell praises the fact the Irish never persecuted the Jews throughout history.

It was only to last another 100 years. From the Limerick pogrom to the rise of fascism and clowns like Oliver J Flanagan, it is still popular today, masked as sympathy for the Palestinians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTmW5Rv5x4k

Some is whipped up by religion: they crucified Jesus.
Some whipped up by politics: they own the banks, we owe the banks, balme those who own the banks for the money we owe and cant pay back.
Some is bigotry: they are "different".

More liably the latter, justified by the first, to excuse the second.

Anyone who hates Jews is an idiot. A good rule of thumb for life. Look at the low lifes on the www.pravda.ru forums to see what I mean.

Arab-hating seems to fairly popular too masked as sympathy for Jews.

tomasocarthaigh

Until 9/11 I dont think too many Irish hated arabs. Maybe the imperialists, or racists among the defense forces that served in the UN - not calling all our boys that were out there such, but there is a lot who are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-lZI-xFRq0

As for the Irish Holocaust website: I submit a lot to its facebook page, giving the angle that not all the Irish were sympathethic to their own, it was as much a class thing as a racial thing.

And indeed, many Irish turned down alternative crops when told the potatoes would fail, as happened in Longford.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBNNKFR_Qgk

As for lets hate Britain... we are champions at that on this wee isle of ours!

Brown Bomber

tomasocarthaigh wrote: »

Until 9/11 I dont think too many Irish hated arabs. Maybe the imperialists, or racists among the defense forces that served in the UN - not calling all our boys that were out there such, but there is a lot who are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-lZI-xFRq0

As for the Irish Holocaust website: I submit a lot to its facebook page, giving the angle that not all the Irish were sympathethic to their own, it was as much a class thing as a racial thing.

And indeed, many Irish turned down alternative crops when told the potatoes would fail, as happened in Longford.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBNNKFR_Qgk

As for lets hate Britain... we are champions at that on this wee isle of ours!

Which isle would that be?

Don't hold the Irish people in very high regard do you? "champions" of hate against the British, a "lot" of racists in the defense forces and anti-semitism every where you turn, swastikas on every street corner, which lets face it is complete bollox. Not once in my entire life in Ireland have I witnessed a single episode of anti-semitism. The closest I ever got was when there was a small guy a year below me in school who used to get called "Jewy" by some of the other lads, I thought for a while it was because he was Jewish; but no, turns out "jewy" was short for Julian. That's the closest I've ever been to personally witnessing anti-semitism in Ireland.

Cavehill Red

I wish you'd stop spamming the forum and this thread in particular with those desperately crap poems.

senorwipesalot

Google swastika laundry dublin.

tomasocarthaigh

senorwipesalot wrote: »

Google swastika laundry dublin.

The Swastika Laundry was not a racist foundation, they just used the swastika when it was just another distinctive mark.

As it happens, in Jainism in India, and some strains of Buddism and one Native American reservation in Mexico use it on their flags, though those in USA dont as a mark of respect to the holocaust victims.

@ Cavehill Red... opinion on my writings is your right, but just as you may not like them, others may. If they reflected your opinion, maybe youd not find them as annoying, I dont know. But anyway...

Cavehill Red

tomasocarthaigh wrote: »

@ Cavehill Red... opinion on my writings is your right, but just as you may not like them, others may. If they reflected your opinion, maybe youd not find them as annoying, I dont know. But anyway...

Firstly, they're utter tosh, doggerel of the worst order.
Secondly, they're spam in this thread.
I'm simply asking you nicely to stop hijacking discussions in this forum to promote your poems.

profitius

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

Stormfront and other white supremist sites.Its a well known CT.The posters on this forum dress it up well.And you cant call them nazi's cos you will get a one month ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

Think we need 2 new megathreads one for 911 and one for jews/israel/ZOG

Bring up the Jewish subject and some people automatically think Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Years of mind conditioning can do that to people.

Also its funny that Lab_Mouse thinks theres a conspiracy on the CT forum!

tomasocarthaigh

catbear wrote: »

I'm interested too, it's the historical angle in Irish society that interests me.

What stuns me is how unaware people are of the anti-semitism in the world and its origions.

Indeed it was quote fashionable before WWII, and James Connolly himself was said to be anti-semetic, though not strongly so.

The crux of it seems to come from two sources, church and economy - church in that the Christian Churches blamed the Jews for the crucifixion of Christ, barely conceled in Mel Gibsons Passion film, a stance only relaxed in the last hundred years.

The economic comes from the Jewish ban on intrest on money loaned to other Jews, but they can charge to non-Jews, and that is where the stereotype of the Jewish moneylender came from.

They are astute as a people, which people begrudge more than admire. A combination of these and other factors - including allegations that there exists in Talmudic scripts contemporary with the time of Christ calling the BVM a slapper and suchforth - led to the antisemitism that is rife today.

ZIONISM ISSUE

The Zionism issue is a complex offshoot, which puts a respectible face on anti-semitism, and gives a smokescreen to Israel against its critics.

Zionism is the belief that the Jews must return to the Promised Land, the Holy Land promised to them when Moses led them from Egypt. The Jews originally came from Egypt / Sudan region, which is why there are so many African Nergoid Jewish people in Ethiopia in particular.

The way the US and its allies dispossessed the Arab residents of Palestine to make room for the European Jews in creating Israel in the Nakba - which Israel denies happened, while denying others the right to deny the Holocaust, fact is BOTH happened, were shameful, should not have happened and should never be let happen again - led directly to the current Middle East crises.

The recent issue of the aid ships highlighted the fact that Israel should not be denying access to the land and the sea to the people who have lived there in the last 2000 years, as if its correct to do so than America should be returned to the Red Indians and all whites to Europe and Blacks to Africa, and the borders of Europe would be brutally redrawn (Ireland and Scotland would be one with Wales, the English would be returned to Germany and we would rule Belgrade, and be fighting the Albanians - actually sounds a GREAT idea!!! rotfl - just joking!!!) - and Israel reacted in typical draconian fashion.

They have to remember that they don't have the right to oppress others just because they once were victims, but thats no excuse for the anti-semitism either.

No man is more than any man. No man should be condemned for being Jewish, but to criticize Israel is not to be anti-semetic.

Zebra3

tomasocarthaigh wrote: »

A quote from Daniel O Connell praises the fact the Irish never persecuted the Jews throughout history.

It was only to last another 100 years. From the Limerick pogrom to the rise of fascism and clowns like Oliver J Flanagan, it is still popular today, masked as sympathy for the Palestinians.

And your evidence for that claim? :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Opticom

Leave the Jews alone, live and let live.

If Israeli extremists are persecuting Palestinians, it’s not because they are Jewish, if Palestinian extremists are attacking Israelis, it’s not because they are Muslims, both sides would just find another excuse. Face facts, the extremist on each side are just as bad as each other.

paddyandy

The Greatest Burden in life is that the other man may have a better story than mine ?

Border-Rat

Why have they been expelled from 109 Countries/Locations in the AD?

FullRetard

Border-Rat wrote: »

AD?

AD..... whats that???

Why have they been expelled from 109 Countries/Locations

because nobody gives a sh1t about a minority,and nobody gives a bigger sh1t about a smaller minority who hates a bigger minority.

Sonics2k

FullRetard wrote: »

AD..... whats that???

Safe to say he means AD in the Anno Domini sense. As in time :P

JustinDee

As usual, Irish folk tend to mix the Jewish and Israeli person.
Ignorance? Willful ignorance? Hard to tell. Life goes on though as some of the usual suspects on these forums show their true colours.

Tzar Chasm

Why have they been expelled from 109 Countries/Locations in the AD?

Ahyou make it sound like they were teh only group ever booted from a country, Lots of nations have targeted minority groups in during times of national turmoil in an attempt to galvanise unity amongst the indiginious population, a couple of examples that spring to mind are the Muslims from Iberia the Chinese from the South pacific, the French from the Caribean, and of coure Everyone who didnt wear Short shorts ent tolk lioke hie wus congiesteed in Suth Afrika