Man of Steel (Superman reboot) ** SPOILERS FROM POST 1370 **

speedboatchase

Great choice imo. I know not everyone loves him but I thought he did a great job with the source material on Watchmen and thay nearly every frame in 300 would make a great screensaver. Plus hes a WB man and they seem to give him pretty free reign (witness the lunacy of that Suckerpunch trailer).

Most importantly, I want Superman to be cool again, not a quasi-sequel to a 70s movie that has no relevan d to todays audience. Zack can make Superman look cool, easily. And if he casts Jon Hamm (could easily happen since hes in Suckerpunch) for the man of steel im sold

Sanjuro

I'm torn. On one hand, I'm absolutely delighted that the rumoured Tony Scott didn't get it. I like Snyder. He's a pretty good director. Dawn Of The Dead was great, and I'm a big fan of the original version. So I went into that film wanting to hate it. 300 was very entertaining. Watchmen was a bit of a trip-up, but I never thought that book was capable of being transferred to the screen. I am totally looking forward to seeing Sucker Punch.

Snyder can direct. There's no doubt about that. He's got a fairly unique style and I'm sure he'll do the Man of Steel justice. But for some reason, I'm just not that excited by the whole thing. I guess if they cast John Hamm as Superman, I'll be a bit more on board. That guy must play Superman.

Bog

Sanjuro wrote: »

I'm just not that excited by the whole thing. I guess if they cast John Hamm as Superman, I'll be a bit more on board. That guy must play Superman.

He's probably a little too old at this stage.

Superman will always have to be played by a nobody.

Or Nic Cage.

ahem.

johnny_ultimate

Sad face

I pretty much despise Zack Snyder at this point. His infuriating stylistic traits have gotten far too distracting for me, to the point where it's no longer an adaptation of Watchmen or 300 or Superman, but a "Zack Snyder film": his trademark slo-mo, dramatic pauses and overwrought visuals. All his comic book material so far has been an uncomfortable mix of the source material and his own sugar-rush stylisation. His attempts at being 'cool' have so far been an immature mix of hyperviolence, cheesy sex scenes and ill-fitting soundtracks - let's hope he doesn't pollute Superman with the same problems that weighed down Watchmen (which would have been a stellar film without Snyder's direction, IMO: all the ingredients were there, but just overcooked).

Anyway, apologies for the rant, but this is bad news for me. Well, Jon Hamm as Supes is at least a promising rumour.

maquiladora

I don't think this is terrible news. I loved Watchmen and even though its a world away from what a new Superman would be I think it proved (to me at least) that he is a very skilled director.

Don't forget that J Nolan has written the script and the his brother Chris is godfathering the project.

I think we may be pleasantly surprised in the end...

speedboatchase

"This summer, you will believe a man can fly.... In super slow-motion!" I agree with Maquiladora though, a lot of Snyder's quirks will be reined in by the Nolans I'd expect. Brandon Routh is going to make an excellent pub quiz question / alcoholic reality TV contestant in years to come

faceman

Snyder's track record does not place him well with this flick. Superman is a very difficult character to put onscreen and let's be honest, there were only 2 films that did it. Even at that, studio intervention saved the second one.

In a post 9/11 world with a global recession on our hands, what possible purpose does superman offer us at this point? Does he have any purpose at all as a character?

Orizio

faceman wrote: »

In a post 9/11 world with a global recession on our hands, what possible purpose does superman offer us at this point? Does he have any purpose at all as a character?

...I'll just settle for a well directed, well acted and well written film that is entertianing. A re-affirmation of our society through a super-hero's adventures isn't strictly needed.

Handsome Bob

faceman wrote: »

In a post 9/11 world with a global recession on our hands, what possible purpose does superman offer us at this point? Does he have any purpose at all as a character?

I think so. If Lex Luthor is some kind of corrupt politician in this then I definitely think having Supes hopelessly rage against him but not actually being able to touch him will strike a chord with the audience.

Is Superman still relevant? I think so, people say he's too goody two shoes for the modern day audience but meh, I think cinema has been saturated with so many anti heroes that an earnest character like Supes would be a breath of fresh air. I mean is a guy who is morally uncorruptable any more unrealistic than the reluctant anti hero who always utters bad ass lines, who stays strong regardless of the harrowing situation he's in and who takes down multiple human beings? I mean at least Supes is openly superhuman rather than these ridiculous standards that are applied to supposedly human characters these days (not talking about Bats BTW).

Anyway, I think Snyder's style combined with the creative brains of the Nolan and Goyer could actually end up giving us a very special film.

FrostyJack

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I think so. If Lex Luthor is some kind of corrupt politician in this then I definitely think having Supes hopelessly rage against him but not actually being able to touch him will strike a chord with the audience.

Is Superman still relevant? I think so, people say he's too goody two shoes for the modern day audience but meh, I think cinema has been saturated with so many anti heroes that an earnest character like Supes would be a breath of fresh air. I mean is a guy who is morally uncorruptable any more unrealistic than the reluctant anti hero who always utters bad ass lines, who stays strong regardless of the harrowing situation he's in and who takes down multiple human beings? I mean at least Supes is openly superhuman rather than these ridiculous standards that are applied to supposedly human characters these days (not talking about Bats BTW).

Anyway, I think Snyder's style combined with the creative brains of the Nolan and Goyer could actually end up giving us a very special film.

+1 , but if Lex Luthor is the main villian again I'm going to explode!

speedboatchase

FrostyJack wrote: »

+1 , but if Lex Luthor is the main villian again I'm going to explode!

He's not, apparently it's General Zod http://screencrave.com/2010-10-04/zack-snyders-superman-will-feature-general-zod-as-its-villain/

Handsome Bob

Hopefully he's just one of multiple villains. Latino Review said this a while back:

“I can tell you that Goyer’s story involves Luthor and Brainiac. It is NOT an origin and assumes audiences already know about Lois, Clark, Jimmy and Perry. I know the Daily Planet is struggling due to the internet. And I know it sets up a huge Kryptonian mythology.”

http://www.collider.com/2010/02/24/david-goyer-writing-next-superman-plot-details-emerge-called-the-man-of-steel/

Hopefully "a huge Krytonian mythology" can incorporate Brainiac into the fold as well.

norrie rugger

speedboatchase wrote: »

Brandon Routh is going to make an excellent pub quiz question / alcoholic reality TV contestant in years to come

Did alright in Chuck, still to slow in his speech though.
Also showed that he could pull off more physical Supes (if they gave him someone to actually fight)

Also, anyone who plays a super camped up Justin Long's boyfriend deserves respect

Handsome Bob

It's a shame that Routh has almost zero chance of retaining the role.

JohnK

Is it going to be a follow on from the last movie or a complete reboot?

Kess73

Have no problem with Snyder directing this.


Snyder's love of slo-mo could really suit a film with super powered beings knocking the crap out of each other.

norrie rugger

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's a shame that Routh has almost zero chance of retaining the role.

I actually thought that he was one of the only redeeming features, of the previous film

tony1kenobi

I don't care who directs this or plays anyone in it as long as the skinny one from Kenan and Kel plays Gus Gorman and it has a computer the size of a mountain in it. That'll do me just fine.

Handsome Bob

Kess73 wrote: »

Snyder's love of slo-mo could really suit a film with super powered beings knocking the crap out of each other.

Yup, I want to see fights between Supes and other super powered beings just knocking the **** out of each other. I wanna feel every blow and I think Snyder is the perfect man to get that done.

JohnK wrote: »

Is it going to be a follow on from the last movie or a complete reboot?

Complete reboot, which is a shame in some respects.

norrie rugger wrote: »

I actually thought that he was one of the only redeeming features, of the previous film

Indeed, and I think he would be fantastic alongside someone who can actually play Lois Lane properly.

MickShamrock

Not a fan of the Superman movies, but think this is a good choice.

vandammaged

I'm going to go off on a rant considering the people they had in line for this film truly great directors

• Tony Scott (Unstoppable, The Taking of Pelham 123)
• Matt Reeves (Let Me In, Cloverfield)
• Jonathan Liebesman (Battle: Los Angeles, Clash of the Titans 2 [upcoming])
• Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code)
• Zack Snyder
• Darren Aronofsky

The powers that be pick him oh god while they are at it they should have picked Michael bay as well while they were at it.

Awful Awful News.....

I think the men for the Job should have been one of these three men....

Darren Aronofsky
Duncan Jones

PirateShampoo

Anyone else think Tom Hardy could be a good General Zod.

vandammaged

There is only one person that could play Zod and still play him very well and that is Terence Stamp what a guy

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Anyone else think Tom Hardy could be a good General Zod.

Handsome Bob

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Anyone else think Tom Hardy could be a good General Zod.

Believe it or not but in another forum that I'm a member of, there are a lot of posters who want Gerald Butler for the role.

I wouldn't be against Hardy though, top actor, would take him as Luther as well.

Mark Hamill

I think they need to skip the villains that have already been portrayed and go straight to Darkseid (CGI, voiced by Michael Ironside). If they can work in the following scene, they would have the best superman film ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJ2Bd41zsw

vandammaged

I totally agree with you mate.

Or bring back a bald evil 80 year old Gene Hackman.

Who is a evil evil old lex luther

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I think they need to skip the villains that have already been portrayed and go straight to Darkseid (CGI, voiced by Michael Ironside). If they can work in the following scene, they would have the best superman film ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJ2Bd41zsw

krudler

Jude Law as Zod anyone? stick a goatee on him and he suits the look perfectly.

vandammaged

jude law as the fairy god mother oh scary...

Hardy seems to be picked for every bad guy role lately why ? I ask

PirateShampoo

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Believe it or not but in another forum that I'm a member of, there are a lot of posters who want Gerald Butler for the role.

I wouldn't be against Hardy though, top actor, would take him as Luther as well.

I dont think Butler could portray the arrogance that Hardy can portray.

Also think Hardy could be a good alternative Superman. He bulks up very well.

norrie rugger

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Complete reboot, which is a shame in some respects.

Propably why Routh will not be in with a shout. They need to remove all traces of the kid and Supes trying to break up a happy family

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Indeed, and I think he would be fantastic alongside someone who can actually play Lois Lane properly.

She was truely terrible. None of the wit/intelligence of Margot Kidder.
Routh's interaction with Yvonne Strahovski was actually not too bad, during the initial interactions.

Sanjuro

vandammaged wrote: »

truly great directors

• Tony Scott (Unstoppable, The Taking of Pelham 123)
• Matt Reeves (Let Me In, Cloverfield)
• Jonathan Liebesman (Battle: Los Angeles, Clash of the Titans 2 [upcoming])
• Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code)
• Zack Snyder
• Darren Aronofsky

Well, Tony Scott has made at best some pretty average actioners. Otherwise, he's not a great director by any respect. Matt Reeves and Jonathan Liebsman are fairly untested as directors. Out of the two of them, only Reeves has had a film released, and that was good, but not great.
Duncan Jones directed the brilliant Moon. Source Code hopefully will be great. But I really don't think he's suited for Superman, as much as I like him. And Darren Aronofsky really wouldn't be suited for Superman. He's a fantastic director, no doubt. But he's also rumoured to be doing Preacher, and he'd much more suit that material.

Snyder does make sense. He's a pretty unique director, despite splitting the geek community. Given the other talent involved in the project, I think there's a big chance he'll pull it off. At least I hope he does. I'm not going to crucify him as some are doing already. It's way, WAY too early to pass judgement.

mikhail

vandammaged wrote: »

I'm going to go off on a rant considering the people they had in line for this film truly great directors

• Tony Scott (Unstoppable, The Taking of Pelham 123)
• Matt Reeves (Let Me In, Cloverfield)
• Jonathan Liebesman (Battle: Los Angeles, Clash of the Titans 2 [upcoming])
• Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code)
• Zack Snyder
• Darren Aronofsky

The powers that be pick him oh god while they are at it they should have picked Michael bay as well while they were at it.

Awful Awful News.....

I think the men for the Job should have been one of these three men....

Darren Aronofsky
Duncan Jones

Scott is a hack, Jones has never had a budget, Liebesman's previous work amounts to one film which no one has seen yet, Aronovsky is just too weird. I'd rather Reeves, but Schneider was always a mile ahead of most of those guys.

homerun_homer

Snyder certainly has had some great visuals regardless of the film being good or the acting, so hopefully this will be good.

Just please..... don't overdose on slo-mo.

nix

Bog wrote: »

Or Nic Cage.

ahem.

Put the kryptonite, back in the box...

Duggy747

nix wrote: »

Put the kryptonite, back in the box...

I wanna take Zod's face.....................OFF!!

Snyder isn't a terrbile director, I like his visual style (but not his choice of music in his movies). Who knows, he might take a step back from his 300-since visual styles (moody pose, slow.........THEN fast and back to slow motion again, very saturated colours, other bizzare visual techniques)

Out of the possible directors for Superman, Snyder is one of the better choices. Plus, Nolan might be able to encourage some restraint on him in terms of Snyder's latest "I'm gonna film everything as if it's a Guinness ad!!" style.

Hell, he earned my respect for doing a decent remake of Dawn Of The Dead.

FrostyJack

homerun_homer wrote: »

Snyder certainly has had some great visuals regardless of the film being good or the acting, so hopefully this will be good.

Just please..... don't overdose on slo-mo.

I don't know why everyone is complaining about slow mo's, first of all they are generally cool and secondly inorder to do it right it was have to be in slow motion, it's hard to see what's going on when things happen near the speed of light. The mini gun on the roof in the last film was case and point, it was one of only a few redeeming features of the entire film.

me-skywalker

With Nolan as Exec Director I think he will rein in Snyder on almost everything while giving him his own space to create his artistic vision. Also Goyer involved should be at least a good effort.

I think the 3 of them as a combination will make a really strong movie.

johnny_ultimate

You know, while I hate Snyder, I hate Tony Scott more. As the AV Club eloquently previewed his next film:

If the film is half as good as The Taking Of Pelham 123, it’ll be a giant pile of crap

Perhaps I shall slightly lower my cynicism due to the involvement of the Nolans, but I seriously hope Snyder doesn't produce more of the substance-less crap he's been peddling since he fluked out with Dawn of the Dead :pac:

Mr. K

I really hope Brandon Routh gets another shot at the role!

TonyD79

Mr. K wrote: »

I really hope Brandon Routh gets another shot at the role!

Think Sndyer has ruled it out already. Read somewere that it wouldnt be an origin story but reports today are saying it could :mad:

Written by Mark Waid and drawn by Leinil Francis Yu, the story attempted to retell the Superman origin story for the 21st century. In the story. Clark Kent is a freelance reporter in his early twenties, traveling the world to cover news stories. While covering an ethnic conflict between the fictional Ghuri and Turaaba clans in West Africa, he is forced to use his super powers to attain a fleeing assassin. This results in Kent returning to Smallville to learn more about his alien heritage and make the decision to become Superman.

So its Batman Begins all over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JP Liz V1

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2010/10/06/superman-films-snyder-nolan.html

Superman will be flying back into theatres, potentially for the holiday season in 2012.
Zack Snyder, the director behind the new 3D animated adventure Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole as well as the graphic novel-inspired films Watchmen and 300, has signed on to helm a new movie about the Man of Steel.
Filmmaker Christopher Nolan, who is fresh off his mind-bending summer blockbuster Inception and successfully rebooted the film franchise of Superman's fellow DC Comics hero Batman, is producing the new project.
"It's hard not to be a Superman fan with his place in pop culture and how iconographic he is," Snyder told industry newspaper Variety.
He also praised Nolan, adding that the filmmaker "provides that extra bit of wisdom to a process that sometimes lacks it."
Screenwriter David Goyer, whose credits include Nolan's Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as well as the Blade films and episodes of TV series FlashFoward, is penning the script based on a story he and Nolan have devised.
"It's still early in the process but I will say that the story that Chris and David have laid out is pretty awesome," Snyder told Variety.
Warner Bros. released Superman Returns, starring Brandon Routh as the superhero, in 2006. However, despite nabbing Bryan Singer — who earned acclaim for his film adaptations of Marvel's X-Men mutant heroes — as the director, the movie did not win over critics and was ultimately not considered a success.
Singer's was the first live-action Superman film since the 1970s-1980s franchise starring Christopher Reeves, who died in 2004.
Warner Bros. is expected to begin production on the tentatively named Superman: Man of Steel by 2011, so as not to lose certain copyrights to the character to the heirs of Superman creators Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, according to Variety.
The completed film could be in theatres by December 2012.

Surely Zack Snyder + Christopher Nolan + David Goyer = win

I guess alot will depend on the casting also is it best to go with a newcomer/unknown as Superman

John Hamm and Armie Hammer have rumoured to be linked to the role so far

fergisimo

This is great news. I think Snyder is a very capable director. Dawn Of The Dead, 300 and Watchmen are all fun, stylish movies. If I were to say anything negative, it's that I don't think he's mastered creating a tightly paced story and adding that bit of substance to go with the style.

Richard Dower

David S. Goyer ruined Flash Forward.

mikhail

Richard Dower wrote: »

David S. Goyer ruined Flash Forward.

Goyer seems to be creative, and a massive comic book nerd, but to require someone to help him make a finished product. He had a big hand in Nolan's Batman films.

Smokin_Aces

I wonder if Tom Welling will get a mention as a possible Clark Kent or has he been ruled out?

Goodshape

I'd quite like to see an updated origin story, actually. I know it can often mean we're waiting for 'part 2' before really getting down to business but it could set-up something interesting, rather than sticking with "what's known" once again.

Could help dispel some of the baggage Superman has as a character.

me-skywalker

Smokin_Aces wrote: »

I wonder if Tom Welling will get a mention as a possible Clark Kent or has he been ruled out?

Have you not bothered to read the thread and the qouted and linked articles?

In reply to your wondering, short answer; no he wont get a mention.

Otacon

Personally, I think Synder will bring the style and Goyer/Nolan wil bring the substance. This could be a fantastic movie if they get the ingredients right.

As for who should play Superman, Jon Hamm is a bit older but it could work if it isn't an origin story and we are a bit into Superman's 'career'.

Smokin_Aces wrote: »

I wonder if Tom Welling will get a mention as a possible Clark Kent or has he been ruled out?

TBH I don't think he is a good enough actor. Waching Smallville, when he was trying to look inconspicuous, he reminded me of Dougal from Father Ted!

norrie rugger

I just wand metallo or darksied or someone for supes to properly fight/pummle

Josey Wales

I really hope they give the role back to Brandon Routh. I though he was excellent in Superman Returns.

Handsome Bob

mikhail wrote: »

Goyer seems to be creative, and a massive comic book nerd, but to require someone to help him make a finished product. He had a big hand in Nolan's Batman films.

Yup, I think he's much better working within a collaborative effort moreso than working on his own. His work with the Nolans has definitely produced his best work.

Re: Welling/Routh, I always found Welling to be irritating for some reason. Routh deserves another crack of the whip if Nolan/Snyder aren't planning on changing the personality of the character too much. If they are going in a completely different direction then fair enough but I'd hate to think they'd recast the role when it's not necessary, just for recasting sake.