Is it required to have a dog on a lead?

wolfpawnat

A dog off the lead, irregardless of training is not under effective control.


My cocker was a great and friendly dog, but once he saw birds instinct took over and neither love nor money would he return, if he bit someone while off the lead, it was my fault.

Dogs are not robots, they can and will ignore humans if they want to, they are capible of thought. Against cars and other animals, for the safety of the dog they have to be under control.

seamus

wolfpawnat wrote: »

A dog off the lead, irregardless of training is not under effective control.

My cocker was a great and friendly dog, but once he saw birds instinct took over and neither love nor money would he return, if he bit someone while off the lead, it was my fault.

Your example indicates a lack of comprehensive training.

This discussion has already been had very, very recently, but it is possible for a dog to have perfect recall and to be trained to ignore all distractions. No, really. I've seen dogs who hate cats, but when they see a cat their first instinct is to look at their owner to "ask" if it's OK to chase the cat. The dog will not budge unless given the all-clear. It's conditioning, and it can be done to humans too. Instinctive drive can be reprogrammed to trigger whatever reflex action you like. I think it's naive to say that a dog off the lead can never be guaranteed under effective control because, well, it can.

That said, given any situation it's equally naive to say that you will never need a lead for the dog. The vast majority of training programs say that you use recall in order to return the dog to you and put a lead on it. A dog that will always return to you in order to be leashed is under effective control. IMHO.

andreac

wolfpawnat wrote: »

A dog off the lead, irregardless of training is not under effective control.


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Yes it is.
Many dogs will not venture away from their owners when trained and will come back immediately when called.

The law states under control, not confined or restrained and that is what people keep confusing this law with.
If the law stated that dogs have to be restrained or on lead at all times then it would say that but it doesnt, it says under effective control.

Now some dogs will be under control off lead some wont, mine certainly wouldnt off lead so i cant say it for my dog but i can say it for plenty of others.

wolfpawnat

I had one of those dogs. No matter what she saw, no matter what happened, off the lead she would stay completely attached to my side. I actually found the lead a nuisance with her! She would cry if she saw a cat, dying to chase it but she would move not until I would give the command (kkssss kssss get the cat and a bullet wouldnt catch her!) But if she wanted to wander off she could. I could call her, but as a living thing she had the ability to disobey. She wouldn't but she could!

ISDW

Did we not just have this discussion?

So if a dog is on a lead, thats okay? Sorry, but I have seen many dogs on a lead and most certainly not under effective control. Owners get dragged around, the dog lunges, the owner goes with it. When I did the KC good citizen award training in the UK the trainer actually told us not to put our hands right through the loop of the lead, in case the dog ran into the road, better a dead dog than a dead dog and owner. Basically, let the lead go.

The law says effective control, whether that be on lead or off.

bazzak20

Oh I am so angry.. Was out playing with my german shepherd pup on the green. Trying to socialise him and train him to be the amazing obedient specimen his father was. Normally take him up the woods but snowed in today.

A woman came out and demanded he be put on a lead or she would report me. I was so embarrassed and felt like a criminal. Im aware of the restrictions on these breeds but never thought I'd get hassled for a pup. My neighbour has a bichon frise which is a nuisance barking constantly and growling at passersby.

When CJ was 2 months old I had him out on a lead to get him used to it. He was attacked by an unleashed terrier that I kicked and sent into the air. The owner just turned and walked away.. This act is so wrong on many levels and so unfair to responsible dog owners.. I'm needing to vent here, im just furious and feel let down that I can't play with my pup who is obedient and comes to me everytime he is called.

I'm 28 and have grown up with this breed all my life. My dog is part of the family, like my child. He depends on me to train, feed and exercise him. He is dependent on me to learn wrong from right. And now I'm told how when and where I can do this. Our country is so backward. I do sympathise with people who fear dogs but don't ruin it for those who love them.

The RB list is like saying a Limerick man attacks someone, so all Limerick men are deemed more dangerous than Cork men so they should be treated differently by the law. All dogs should be on the list or none. It's a bad stereotype.


What an amazing breed tarnished by mis-informed stereo-types.... To all owners of dogs on this act, I feel your pain and we should unite against unfairness...



Barry.

Graces7

zeds alive wrote: »

Nah he's a total prick and not the approachable kind , so I would report him... I'm not worried if people think I'm a busybody.

You go man!!

portgirl123

maybe stupid question saw last on list is a bandog. what is this?

Whispered

I think it's a mastiff or a mastiff cross.

Shanao

The Bandog is a rugged dog, heavily boned and muscled, intimidating when seen and is ferocious when provoked. Bandogs of all types are strictly working dogs and should be a result of serious and dedicated planning, starting from careful selection of parent breeds and more importantly, appropriate representatives of those breeds, with the health and temperament testing being on the top of the list of priorities, while the uniformity in appearance is the last of the breeders' concerns. The intention in each case is to combine the courage and tenacity of an American Pit Bull Terrier with the large size and guarding instinct of a Mastiff (Usually neopolitans for some reason). The breed ideal is a broad skull, a strong muzzle that is medium to long muzzle depending on the strain, wide shoulder, a powerful chest, great agility, and overall an intelligent and very well controlled dog.