Junkies dont have to pay 50cent prescription charge

123balltv

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

alwaysadub

Have you got a link to that?

And can you copy and paste it,for mobile users. Please.

TheZohanS

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

I see....

MistyCheese

While I see your complaint, I'd rather moan about the plight of the non-heroin addicts who are in receipt of Social Welfare but not entitled to a medical card.

mink_man

news to me that anyone on the dole is a junkie now.

Alicat

Where did you hear this OP?

They don't pay for the methadone prescription, but that isn't a medical card prescription. They still pay for their normal medical card stuff, like everyone else.

Stinicker

Nobody should have to pay the 50c charge, it probably costs about €10m to operate, a quango was setup to operate it and dozens of blood relatives cronies of Fianna Fail get jobs for life in the HSE overseeing it. (Playing solitare and surfing the net all day and 1hours work per week.)

The whole thing will generate about half a million euro and create a huge amount of hassle for doctors getting abuse over the 50c from junkies and otherwise. It will cost more than it generates!!

It is sheer stupidity, but nothing new there with the traitors in power.

K-9

Stinicker wrote: »

Nobody should have to pay the 50c charge, it probably costs about €10m to operate, a quango was setup to operate it and dozens of blood relatives cronies of Fianna Fail get jobs for life in the HSE overseeing it. (Playing solitare and surfing the net all day and 1hours work per week.)

The whole thing will generate about half a million euro and create a huge amount of hassle for doctors getting abuse over the 50c from junkies and otherwise. It will cost more than it generates!!

It is sheer stupidity, but nothing new there with the traitors in power.

When it costs €10 it will pay!

baldbear

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1001/1224280079451.html

It's terrible that terminally ill are not exempt.

Quazzie

If they're terminally ill what's the point. It's not going to cure them and the tenner a month can't be brought with them.

Stinicker

K-9 wrote: »

When it costs €10 it will pay!

Yes probably, but Free Medical Care will be gone then. It is abused highly by people running to the doctor constantly, and the first 6 visits should be free and pay after wards. I have had to use my Medical card about 4 or 5 times in three years and last time was when I caught Swine Flu and the time before was for a repeat prescription for an asthma pump.

SeaFields

I say free drugs for everyone....hooray!

governor

SeaFields wrote: »

I say free drugs for everyone....hooray!

...miniature American flags for everyone else!

Sardonicat

Quazzie wrote: »

If they're terminally ill what's the point. It's not going to cure them and the tenner a month can't be brought with them.

Seosaimh77

governor wrote: »

...miniature American flags for everyone else!

We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it...

baldbear

Quazzie wrote: »

If they're terminally ill what's the point. It's not going to cure them and the tenner a month can't be brought with them.

I think it's cruel that a person who is dying be asked to pay the prescription charge. While a junkie who shovels shíte into themselves doesn't have to pay.

Dudess

I get the feeling it's not as black and white as that.

Seosaimh77

Dudess wrote: »

I get the feeling it's not as black and white as that.

Of course it's not...sure, how many people complaining about junkies shoveling shíte into themselves have spent a bit of time drinking alcohol tonight?

K-9

Stinicker wrote: »

Yes probably, but Free Medical Care will be gone then. It is abused highly by people running to the doctor constantly, and the first 6 visits should be free and pay after wards. I have had to use my Medical card about 4 or 5 times in three years and last time was when I caught Swine Flu and the time before was for a repeat prescription for an asthma pump.

The charge appeals to the Daily Mail types. Ideally there'd be some sort of data on the expenses saved with introducing a charge like this.

I'm sure the information on the savings is easily obtainable and this isn't a cheap political stunt?

Jeboa Safari

Seosaimh77 wrote: »

Of course it's not...sure, how many people complaining about junkies shoveling shíte into themselves have spent a bit of time drinking alcohol tonight?

They don't get free drugs though

I don't understand whats so bad about the charge, its miniscule, can't be that hard to put by 2.50 a week

Dick Turnip

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

mink_man wrote: »

news to me that anyone on the dole is a junkie now.

Such a bullsh1t attempt at trolling. Look back at the OP's post and tell me where he says that everyone on the dole is a junkie.

Or is it just me and i'm tired now and i'm reading it wrong and in fact you're suprised that of the 450k people on the dole there is a junkie amongst them?

Either way that post pissed me off!

thebaz

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

does this apply then to daily cigarette and hash smokers, head shop users, alcohol drinkers, any mild altering prescription users .... with the state of the country , is it any surprise we are all junkies - you all make me sick

Sticky_Fingers

thebaz wrote: »

does this apply then to daily cigarette and hash smokers, head shop users, alcohol drinkers, any mild altering prescription users .... with the state of the country , is it any surprise we are all junkies - you all make me sick

Your getting sick on your own self righteousness, I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for it, be gone from my sight vile urchin:pac:

TheMastero

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

Easy know you never knew anyone who was a addict and please dont use the word junkie because not all people who use or used heroin in there life's are junkies. I am on methadone and its something that saved my life i dont have to pay d 50c but i would and anyway any other meds i get or any other addict gets we have to pay the levy too. Donht blame us for choices the government make!

latenia

TheMastero wrote: »

Easy know you never knew anyone who was a addict and please dont use the word junkie because not all people who use or used heroin in there life's are junkies. I am on methadone and its something that saved my life i dont have to pay d 50c but i would and anyway any other meds i get or any other addict gets we have to pay the levy too. Donht blame us for choices the government make!

I've said it before here but junkies are amongst the most self righteous idiots you're ever likely to meet. I hope you enjoy getting off your face at everyone else's expense because you're not man enough to go cold turkey for a week.

Terry

mink_man wrote: »

news to me that anyone on the dole is a junkie now.

Christ. You've been using AH for long enough now.
You know damn well that every single person on the dole is a waster and a junkie.
How dare they take money from us tax payers and so forth.

TheMastero wrote: »

Easy know you never knew anyone who was a addict and please dont use the word junkie because not all people who use or used heroin in there life's are junkies. I am on methadone and its something that saved my life i dont have to pay d 50c but i would and anyway any other meds i get or any other addict gets we have to pay the levy too. Donht blame us for choices the government make!

I blame you for choosing to use a drug which is known to be highly addictive.

You chose to do heroin. Nobody forced a needle into your arm, or held your head over some tin foil. You deserve no sympathy.

In the interest of fairness, I'll tell you that I'm addicted to xanax, alcohol and cigarettes.
I deserve no sympathy either.

123balltv

TheMastero wrote: »

Easy know you never knew anyone who was a addict and please dont use the word junkie because not all people who use or used heroin in there life's are junkies. I am on methadone and its something that saved my life i dont have to pay d 50c but i would and anyway any other meds i get or any other addict gets we have to pay the levy too. Donht blame us for choices the government make!

My Uncle and my two cousins are thats why im pissed off bout them not having to pay the charge.
They have robbed me and my family
I dont think they should get it for free my nanny is seriously ill she has to fork out.
good for you 'TheMastero' keep strong

Kurtosis

latenia wrote: »

I've said it before here but junkies are amongst the most self righteous idiots you're ever likely to meet. I hope you enjoy getting off your face at everyone else's expense because you're not man enough to go cold turkey for a week.

What do you mean by "junkies"? You do realise that people on methadone are in a treatment program, are coming off or have come off heroin and can, apart from a visit to a pharmacy for a few minutes every day or every week, live perfectly normal lives.

flas

junkies, called so because they take junk, ie. a street name for heroin. dont see what the big deal is with people calling smack heads junkies!? it is but a nickname! just like calling someone who drinks alot a lush head, neither of the terms iv used are insulting in my book

Rented Mule

baldbear wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1001/1224280079451.html

It's terrible that terminally ill are not exempt.

I would just have them bill me.

changes

Stinicker wrote: »

Nobody should have to pay the 50c charge, it probably costs about €10m to operate, a quango was setup to operate it and dozens of blood relatives cronies of Fianna Fail get jobs for life in the HSE overseeing it. (Playing solitare and surfing the net all day and 1hours work per week.)

The whole thing will generate about half a million euro and create a huge amount of hassle for doctors getting abuse over the 50c from junkies and otherwise. It will cost more than it generates!!

I think its a good idea, it should be doubled and a €5 charge for doctor visits should be introduced for medical card holders also.

Its supposed to act as a disincentive to people getting medicines they don't really need and the same should apply to those running to the doctors office with every sniffle.

As for the junkies they just don't want them missing their methadone and going back on the smack.

Kurtosis

flas wrote: »

junkies, called so because they take junk, ie. a street name for heroin. dont see what the big deal is with people calling smack heads junkies!? it is but a nickname! just like calling someone who drinks alot a lush head, neither of the terms iv used are insulting in my book

Yeah, but people on the methadone scheme are not taking junk, they are addressing their addiction and are in therapy for it. They are trying to address a problem they have and I doubt people referring to them as "junkies" makes things any easier.

bleg

Here's what I posted in the Health Sciences forum the other day:

The 50c levy may not even cover the costs of its administration and wastes pharmacists time when health policy is to free up their time to make them more available for other tasks.

There is no cap at 10 euro a month. If you go over, you still pay. You can then have to fill out a form and send it off (another 50c) to the Primary Care Reimbursement Service. The head of the PCRS has said that his organisation will not reimburse anybody less than 5 euro.

The Dept for Health and Children recently commissioned an independent report to look at primary care funding.
http://www.dohc.ie/publications/resource_allocation_financing_health_sector.html

The authors of this report stated:

“In the view of the group, the recently introduced capped co-payment for prescriptions for medical card holders is unlikely to meet the criterion of raising enough revenue to justify the administration costs,” the report said.

“Evidence suggests that any deterrent effects will be to reduce the use of both necessary and less necessary drugs, with possible harmful effects on health.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0710/1224274419367.html?via=rel


Lets recap: with the imposition of the 50c charge Mary Harney is ignoring the advice of GPs, pharmacists, patients and also the expert group that she charged with investigating resource funding in Irish Healthcare. Her move also flies in the face of international best practice.

People will probably stop taking their statins and BP meds as they have no directly observable effect. Pretty shocking in a country like Ireland with a high incidence of cardiovascular disease.

It makes no sense.
None at all.

Incognita

50 cent is hardly going to break someone, is it? *junkie* or not.
Who gives a fook really?

K-9

bleg wrote: »

Here's what I posted in the Health Sciences forum the other day:

The 50c levy may not even cover the costs of its administration and wastes pharmacists time when health policy is to free up their time to make them more available for other tasks.

There is no cap at 10 euro a month. If you go over, you still pay. You can then have to fill out a form and send it off (another 50c) to the Primary Care Reimbursement Service. The head of the PCRS has said that his organisation will not reimburse anybody less than 5 euro.

The Dept for Health and Children recently commissioned an independent report to look at primary care funding.
http://www.dohc.ie/publications/resource_allocation_financing_health_sector.html

The authors of this report stated:

“In the view of the group, the recently introduced capped co-payment for prescriptions for medical card holders is unlikely to meet the criterion of raising enough revenue to justify the administration costs,” the report said.

“Evidence suggests that any deterrent effects will be to reduce the use of both necessary and less necessary drugs, with possible harmful effects on health.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0710/1224274419367.html?via=rel


Lets recap: with the imposition of the 50c charge Mary Harney is ignoring the advice of GPs, pharmacists, patients and also the expert group that she charged with investigating resource funding in Irish Healthcare. Her move also flies in the face of international best practice.

People will probably stop taking their statins and BP meds as they have no directly observable effect. Pretty shocking in a country like Ireland with a high incidence of cardiovascular disease.

It makes no sense.
None at all.

50c is only the start.

bleg

K-9 wrote: »

50c is only the start.

I would think so alright.

Johro

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

Get a life.

Johro

Johro wrote: »

Get a life.

I think you mean - Choose Life.

sesna

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

What a horrible twisted rant against drug addicts which pathetically attempts to hide behind indignance at slob Harney's latest policy.

It's also factually completely wrong - drug addicts do pay the 50 cent charge on medical card prescriptions.

bleg

It's a bit hypocritical that they don't have to pay for methadone in fairness.

sesna

bleg wrote: »

It's a bit hypocritical that they don't have to pay for methadone in fairness.

The point of the charge is to discourage people stockpiling medicine for the sake of it, which in turn costs the state countless millions per year.

I dont think an opiate addict is going to stockpile his medicine - the purpose of the charge would be completely pointless for them.

stovelid

123balltv wrote: »

only in Ireland would a Junkie/drug addict who earns nearly 200 a week social welfare not have to pay the 50cent charge for prescription charge on medical card makes me sick only in Ireland, poor old pensioners who are sick of no fault of their own have to fork out
I know it's capped at 10 euro a month but still thats their bread and butter and yockie bobs money

Junkies make themselves sick, what a load of bull
methadone is free for junkies im getting sick here

The response is in. You may want to look away.

Johro

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think you mean - Choose Life.

Not really, I mean get a life.
He might as well be saying 'junkies have it so easy...'
There's a background to people becoming junkies, and it tends not to be pretty. I think if you begrudge junkies not having to pay the 50c charge you need to get a life. It's only my opinion.

Chaotic_Forces

Not all junkies are on the dole...

Sauve

I haevn't yet come across anybody not taking a needed medication because of the 50c charge. They may grumble about Mary Harney but in reality I don't think it's working out too badly.
They're changed things around now so that the pharmacy caps the payment at ten Euro so this cuts out the need for the patient to reclaim.

It's going to bring in MASSIVE revenue for the HSE, firstly - they will save a fortune from people who were previously stockpiling medication but now are only taking what they actually need.
We regularly get brought back unused medication after an patient has passed away, and only a couple of weeks back we were given back a bag with 15 inhalers in it that were out of date and unopened. Each of those inhalers had cost the HSE about 120euro.......

Also, doing a quick estimation in my head (now this is a very rough guess) - I reckon the HSE stand to bring in about a million quid PER MONTH on the 50c charge.
Imagine what could be done with that money in the right hands....

starbelgrade

Sauvignon82 wrote: »

Also, doing a quick estimation in my head (now this is a very rough guess) - I reckon the HSE stand to bring in about a million quid PER MONTH on the 50c charge.
Imagine what could be done with that money in the right hands....

'HSE' and 'money in the right hands'. Two phrases that just don't go together.

bleg

Compliance issues are bad enough in this country without adding further obstacles. Over 60% of people over 70 years of age receive cardiovascular drugs in Ireland. These are drugs that have no discernible effect i.e. you don't feel lower blood pressure or reduced cholesterol. The long term effects of patients ceasing to take these meds are disastrous and are a far far higher financial burden on the state than the cost of the medication.

It's about 2 million a month, however the Department of Health's own advisory group said that the money raised will not justify the administration.

K-9

starbelgrade wrote: »

'HSE' and 'money in the right hands'. Two phrases that just don't go together.

In fairness, he/she did say imagine!

Alicat

Interestingly enough, I've had quite a few customers saying they thought it should be more than 50c!

We've had no issues at all.

starbelgrade

Alicat wrote: »

Interestingly enough, I've had quite a few customers saying they thought it should be more than 50c!

We've had no issues at all.

You must work in one of those pharmacies that aren't overcharging their customers.

Queen-Mise

Make poverty history - cheaper drugs now.


/Slinks out