bodybuilding - whats kind of fruit should i be eating ???

Deadly Combination · 29-09-2010 11:00pm #1

any advice or help with the people that are bodybuilding / weight training in which friut to eat ?

Cheers

Shane St. · 29-09-2010 11:01pm

eggs

Deadly Combination · 29-09-2010 11:01pm

eggs are protein im talking about fruit

dave80 · 29-09-2010 11:03pm

Stick with the banana's (have you ever seen a small gorilla)

Esse85 · 29-09-2010 11:06pm

dave80 wrote: »

Stick with the banana's (have you ever seen a small gorilla)

Deadly Combination · 29-09-2010 11:07pm

LOL you guys are taking the pi*s now HAHA

dave80 · 29-09-2010 11:10pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Tats the before pic, you should see him now

brianthebard · 29-09-2010 11:17pm

dave80 wrote: »

Stick with the banana's (have you ever seen a small gorilla)

gorilla's don't eat bananas, wtf? Why does it matter op? If you're trying to gain weight eat whatever you want, if you're trying to loose weight drop the fruit or eat it on days you train. Simple.

Esse85 · 29-09-2010 11:17pm

Deadly Combination wrote: »

LOL you guys are taking the pi*s now HAHA

Sorry dude, TBF i dont think the type of fruit will really matter that much unless your at an elite level.
I always associate an apple with pre workout and a banana with post workout.

dave80 · 29-09-2010 11:22pm

brianthebard wrote: »

gorilla's don't eat bananas, wtf?

I was takin the piss......:rolleyes:

Hanley · 30-09-2010 12:34am

This thread delivers.

c montgomery · 30-09-2010 12:38am

brianthebard wrote: »

gorilla's don't eat bananas, wtf? Why does it matter op? If you're trying to gain weight eat whatever you want, if you're trying to loose weight drop the fruit or eat it on days you train. Simple.

Really, i was under the impression that eating fruit added to weight loss when combined with a low cal diet.

brianthebard · 30-09-2010 1:12am

c montgomery wrote: »

Really, i was under the impression that eating fruit added to weight loss when combined with a low cal diet.

why? I just gave the op the simplest advice possible since they are obviously concerned about something comparatively unimportant, I didn't want to complicate things for them. I've never heard of fruit helping weight loss though, but any low calories diet will cause weight loss, fruit or no.

Mellor · 30-09-2010 3:39am

c montgomery wrote: »

Really, i was under the impression that eating fruit added to weight loss when combined with a low cal diet.

The best way for somebody body building to change thier diet to a low calorie one would be to drop carbs and keep protein. This means dropping bread, starchy veg and fruit

Hanley · 30-09-2010 4:54am

c montgomery wrote: »

Really, i was under the impression that eating fruit added to weight loss when combined with a low cal diet.

Assuming you're being serious, that's not true. It'd actually be class if it was tho...

Fruit (as a collective group) is a relatively high GI carb. The last thing you want when you're dieting!

SanoVitae · 30-09-2010 8:51am

Hanley wrote: »

Fruit (as a collective group) is a relatively high GI carb. The last thing you want when you're dieting!

I presume you're talking in terms of someone getting their body-fat to a low percentage, right?

If you want to reduce your body-fat low enough to display a 6-pack, you'll need to eliminate fruit for the most part, especially high GI fruits.

For someone who is overweight, eating low-calorie fruits instead of higher-calorie foods will result in a calorie deficit which will greatly help them lose weight and reduce body-fat.

kevpants · 30-09-2010 10:25am

Deadly Combination wrote: »

any advice or help with the people that are bodybuilding / weight training in which friut to eat ?

Cheers

Clenbutiberries & Dianobananas

Hanley · 30-09-2010 10:29am

SanoVitae wrote: »

I presume you're talking in terms of someone getting their body-fat to a low percentage, right?

If you want to reduce your body-fat low enough to display a 6-pack, you'll need to eliminate fruit for the most part, especially high GI fruits.

For someone who is overweight, eating low-calorie fruits instead of higher-calorie foods will result in a calorie deficit which will greatly help them lose weight and reduce body-fat.

No.

The statement was that when you add fruit to a low kcal diet, do you lose more weight?

You do not.

SanoVitae · 30-09-2010 10:53am

Hanley wrote: »

No.

The statement was that when you add fruit to a low kcal diet, do you lose more weight?

You do not.

Ah ok - gotcha.

Do you believe that all calories are created equally and ultimately as long as there is the required calorie deficit, fat loss will occur?

Or do you believe that consuming high GI fruits (regardless of their low calorie total) would cause rapid spikes in insulin and would either cause increased fat storage or prevent those last few pounds of fat from being removed?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts, as well as those of others on the forum.

Cheers,

Paul

Hanley · 30-09-2010 10:57am

SanoVitae wrote: »

Ah ok - gotcha.

Do you believe that all calories are created equally and ultimately as long as there is the required calorie deficit, fat loss will occur?

Or do you believe that consuming high GI fruits (regardless of their low calorie total) would cause rapid spikes in insulin and would either cause increased fat storage or prevent those last few pounds of fat from being removed?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts, as well as those of others on the forum.

Cheers,

Paul

Lets go to the extreme...

Do I believe that if I get all my kcals from Mars bars, or all my kcals from a 40% protein, 20% low GI carb and 40% fat split, will the weight loss be different, given the same amount of kcals in both cases?

Abso-f*cking-lutely it'll be different!! The latter being much more effective for fat loss.

SanoVitae · 30-09-2010 11:12am

Hanley wrote: »

Lets go to the extreme...

Do I believe that if I get all my kcals from Mars bars, or all my kcals from a 40% protein, 20% low GI carb and 40% fat split, will the weight loss be different, given the same amount of kcals in both cases?

Abso-f*cking-lutely it'll be different!! The latter being much more effective for fat loss.

That's definitely what I think and have always thought.

Has there ever been research done which proves this to be true though - i.e. comparing the results of 2 groups, with one group getting all their calories from processed carbs, with the other group eating an equal amount of calories using a protein/carbs/fats ratio similar to the 40-20-40 you gave as an example.

While I certainly wouldn't want to use myself as a Mar-Bars-scoffing guinea pig, I would definitely be interested in reading the findings if any such study has been carried out!

rocky · 30-09-2010 11:27am

I tend to think that, as long as you get your protein requirements (at least 1g/pound LBM), the rest does not matter. Insulin spikes and other 'evils' associated with carbs are not a bad thing preventing fat loss.

I actually only yesterday put into fitday 180g protein from whey, and the rest 500g Tiramisu. This will create a caloric deficit for me, and I think I would lose weight - but I would be probably hungry for some time, so I'm not trying it out :P

Deadly Combination · 30-09-2010 3:24pm

Closing this thread as people are just taking the p***

brianthebard · 30-09-2010 3:27pm

Deadly Combination wrote: »

Closing this thread as people are just taking the p***

You can't close a thread....

Deadly Combination · 30-09-2010 3:29pm

Im not stupid i told B-Builder to close it like 2mins ago, gave him a chance LOL

g'em · 30-09-2010 3:32pm

Deadly Combination wrote: »

Im not stupid i told B-Builder to close it like 2mins ago, gave him a chance LOL

We've already closed a thread for you today, you can't just close them at will when you feel like it. If you don't want to discuss the topic anymore just don't.

Khannie · 30-09-2010 3:47pm

Hanley wrote: »

Do I believe that if I get all my kcals from Mars bars, or all my kcals from a 40% protein, 20% low GI carb and 40% fat split, will the weight loss be different, given the same amount of kcals in both cases?

Abso-f*cking-lutely it'll be different!! The latter being much more effective for fat loss.

I think there'd be less in it than you think. I think total calorie intake is the biggest factor by a stretch when you're talking about fat loss.

Deadly Combination · 30-09-2010 3:52pm

g'em wrote: »

We've already closed a thread for you today, you can't just close them at will when you feel like it. If you don't want to discuss the topic anymore just don't.

can i talk about NABBA's and the use of drugs ?

and ya no prob i stick with this account

g'em · 30-09-2010 4:02pm

Deadly Combination wrote: »

can i talk about NABBA's and the use of drugs ?

No, far too speculative for comfort.

Deadly Combination · 30-09-2010 4:09pm

ok thats fine

i wont talk about it

best thing i can do is contact the NABBA`s and ask them, just thought it would be quicker to post here thats all - no harm done

itsallaboutheL · 30-09-2010 5:09pm

kevpants wrote: »

Clenbutiberries & Dianobananas

Hanley · 30-09-2010 5:16pm

Khannie wrote: »

I think there'd be less in it than you think. I think total calorie intake is the biggest factor by a stretch when you're talking about fat loss.

Yeah but what happens when you factor in the lack of protein in an all carb diet? Recovery would be brutal and I assume muscle breakdown would occur, decreasing metabolism and decreasing fat loss?

Mooo · 01-10-2010 6:55pm

clenutiberries sound absolutely delicious.

i found substituting meals with fruit and running was both tasty and fat burning. but that goes back to the basics -exercise and a calorie deficit.. it doesnt help thinking about it that way - the brain should be used as little as possible in thes important fat burning matters.

for bodybuilding i would have thought eat everything and anything for the powerbelly

xinchao · 01-10-2010 7:29pm

If someone like that op was originally asking, then fruit should not be overdone, because the person is trying to put on mass. I would assume!
Fruit has a high fructose content which is a simple carb and simple carbs are a no-no in the first place unless you are using them pre and post workout for an energy boost. Although bananas are excellent because they are high in minerals, iron, potassium (which is good in case of cramping) and B vitamins.
someone talked about insulin spikes, which are great as a delivery system for Creatine absorption levels but you would have to eat a fair amount of oranges or apples to get the required sugar levels in order to create an insulin spike in the first place.
However if you are bodybuilding then too much fruit is like anything else. Everything in moderation and in balance! Be it a 40-40-20 diet etc...However, the main carbs you want to get are from complex carbs like whole grains etc so eating too much fruit is not the way to go in that sense. Stick to complex carbs but eat a moderate amount of fruit as well.

If the op wants to carb cycle then and reduce his/her body fat then it becomes even more important to get a very tightly controlled balance in everything he/she eats such as minerals, vitamins and carbs (complex vs simple)...
Maybe the op can have a look at a few beginners bodybuilding websites that are comprehensive and actually reputable and more importanly FREE!...
Here's a couple that I personally think are good and useful.

www.scoobysworkshop.com
www.bodybuildingforyou.com

They are a good source of info and are based on solid and reliable sources themselves (and they don't try and ask you to buy nonsense that doesn't work or is unnecessary)

bodybuilding - whats kind of fruit should i be eating ???

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