Speeding in housing estates

sixer

Hi There,

There is a problem with speeding in my area, so I am looking for any ideas that people have implemented to address speeding in housing estates.

1) Anybody using speed detection signs as a deterrent
2) Anybody know of a private organisation that can install temporary speed cameras?

Any other help greatly appreciated.

Seth Brundle

www.garda.ie

homer90

Report it to the council / Gardai IMO would be the first step.

damoz

Talk to the offender if possible - most people dont even think of the possibility for a kid running out etc . I did with one local and he ackowledged it and has slowed down since.

It is my worst nightmare as a parent in a housing estate too - so if i see anyone speeding repeatadly ill have a word. If that fails then look at speed bumps (talk to council), signage etc. Ive never seen cameras in a pvt estate not i am sure of the legality of same. Gardai is an option too.

Edit - removed reference to specific accident.

zubair

Speed bumps would fix this longterm and have the best results imo.

Eric Cartman

zubair wrote: »

Speed bumps would fix this longterm and have the best results imo.

they ruin cars, hinder emergency services and cause minor accidents when people jam on , speed ramps are never ever ever the answer

damoz

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they ruin cars, hinder emergency services and cause minor accidents when people jam on , speed ramps are never ever ever the answer

Im not so sure. They are very effective in my estate - maybe because my door is close to one. I cant see how they ruin a car - unless your speeding over them No need to jam on in a housing estate, again unless you are speeding. And they would not hinder ES much in a housing estate - your talking seconds at most.

They may very well be the only effective answer.

smellslikeshoes

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they ruin cars, hinder emergency services and cause minor accidents when people jam on , speed ramps are never ever ever the answer

Well if that's the case why are they used worldwide? :rolleyes:

damoz

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Well if that's the case why are they used worldwide? :rolleyes:

Agree - as i said above - they may very well be the only effective answer.

kildare.17hmr

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they ruin cars, hinder emergency services and cause minor accidents when people jam on , speed ramps are never ever ever the answer

how fast do you drive over speed ramps??

Tragedy

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

how fast do you drive over speed ramps??

I've experienced plenty of ramps that force you to slow to 10km/h.
What the hell? Speed bumps should keep you from speeding, not slow you down to a tiny fraction of the speed limit.

kildare.17hmr

Tragedy wrote: »

I've experienced plenty of ramps that force you to slow to 10km/h.
What the hell? Speed bumps should keep you from speeding, not slow you down to a tiny fraction of the speed limit.

shouldnt be doin much more than that in a housing estate, they are the best option in housing estates bar dragin some little pr!ck out of his car for speedin up the road where your kids are playin

Cookie_Monster

damoz wrote: »

Agree - as i said above - they may very well be the only effective answer.

recent studies show they do not reduce speed, people mearly speed up in-between. they're bad for the car, increased wear and tear on brakes, suspension, tyres, clutch etc. they're bad for the environment as due to the additional braking and acceleration more co2 is emitted.

so no real benefits at all...

BostonB

You've no chance of the Guards doing speed checks regularly enough to make any difference. Personally I think 3 or 4 speed camera's would be better than ramps. But the reality is ramps are cheaper. Ramps work if they are severe enough, and close enough together. Its nightmare to drive across though

kikel

What the speed limit in a housing Estate? Same as the road outside?

kildare.17hmr

kikel wrote: »

What the speed limit in a housing Estate? Same as the road outside?

15kmh i think

EDIT sorry it was 15mph when i did my test anyway

kikel

Really, Can't find that anywhere in a 2 minute search of the rules of the road.

Seth Brundle

Its the same as the limit on the road facing the estate unless otherwise stated!

Seth Brundle

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

how fast do you drive over speed ramps??

If you continually drive over most speed ramps at 50km/h then you will do damage. If the expectation is that this speed is too fast for the road and therefore the ramps, then why have the 50km/h limit in the first place?

GoodGuinness

I can only talk for my estate, but the main offender is the softly sprung family SUV that flies over the speed bumps like they don't exist, and the person with the fast sporty rock-hard suspension that takes these in 1st gear, (while being growled at in the rear view mirror, by the mummy in the SUV sitting on your parcel shelf).
How about teaching kids the old fashioned rules of the road...... when I was a kid I knew to keep off the road.

homer90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLH6H8fpt4

*SORRY*

_Kaiser_

GoodGuinness wrote: »

I can only talk for my estate, but the main offender is the softly sprung family SUV that flies over the speed bumps like they don't exist, and the person with the fast sporty rock-hard suspension that takes these in 1st gear, (while being growled at in the rear view mirror, by the mummy in the SUV sitting on your parcel shelf).
How about teaching kids the old fashioned rules of the road...... when I was a kid I knew to keep off the road.

Good point.. as with so much else these days, most people are too concerned with blaming and hindering others, than taking some responsibility for themselves (and in this case, their children)

When I was growing up in the 80's I knew to keep off the road, to look both ways before crossing, to cross at the lights - not anywhere I like etc.
It didn't require speed ramps, vigilante parenting or a squad car camped on the corner and life went on without incident for the most part.

moonshadow

Remember this??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEssgMQ1O_k

Cookie_Monster

kikel wrote: »

What the speed limit in a housing Estate? Same as the road outside?

there is no specific limit in a housing estate. its the normal urban limit of 50 unless otherwise signed

challengemaster

Tragedy wrote: »

I've experienced plenty of ramps that force you to slow to 10km/h.
What the hell? Speed bumps should keep you from speeding, not slow you down to a tiny fraction of the speed limit.

I've experienced worse

Anyone that thinks speedbumps won't wreck a car, go and drive through DCU campus.... they've got about 5-6 sets of speedbumps within metres of eachother, some you'd cringe going over at 5km/h they're that bad.

BostonB

Funny when I was a kid, there was speeding, and kids got knocked down. There were endless ads on the TV about it. Green Cross Code, Wanderly Wagon, alsorts of ads. There was even a song about it.

Looking back with some rose tinted glasses I think.

BostonB

I hate ramps. But personally I don't see what the option is when people treat housing estates as race tracks.

Absurdum

I've never damaged a car driving over a speed ramp in all my years of driving, and I've owned a couple of lowered cars. Then again, I don't drive over them too fast.

Eric Cartman

damoz wrote: »

Im not so sure. They are very effective in my estate - maybe because my door is close to one. I cant see how they ruin a car - unless your speeding over them No need to jam on in a housing estate, again unless you are speeding. And they would not hinder ES much in a housing estate - your talking seconds at most.

They may very well be the only effective answer.

you will ruin the front splitter on most lowered cars, and cause extra wear on the suspension and breaks of any car

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Well if that's the case why are they used worldwide? :rolleyes:

so are pipe bombs and heroin....

GoodGuinness wrote: »

I can only talk for my estate, but the main offender is the softly sprung family SUV that flies over the speed bumps like they don't exist, and the person with the fast sporty rock-hard suspension that takes these in 1st gear, (while being growled at in the rear view mirror, by the mummy in the SUV sitting on your parcel shelf).
How about teaching kids the old fashioned rules of the road...... when I was a kid I knew to keep off the road.

exactly, nanny state , we all grew up fine without speedramps, also housing estates are massive these days , i can understand at 1pm but at 2am i should be able to do 50 through a housing estate without jamming on every 2 seconds, a bit of common sense and driver education would be a far more effective soloution

also I have yet to find a speed ramp in a 50km/h zone i can actually do 50 over without my jeep bouncing me to the roof

Eoin

damoz wrote: »

And they would not hinder ES much in a housing estate - your talking seconds at most.

It's not just the speed; they cause unnecessary bouncing around to a patient in the back. Ambulances are a rough enough ride at the best of times. The DFB have tried to get the ones around various hospitals removed on several occasions.

Anyway - multiply "seconds at most" by however many speed bumps between a house and the hospital, and it could actually make a difference.

Absurdum wrote:

I've never damaged a car driving over a speed ramp in all my years of driving, and I've owned a couple of lowered cars.

I've not done any permanent damage, but I've certainly bottomed out going over them on many occasion - no matter how slow I was going (especially when I had my mini). Some are designed very poorly - they're often too short and tall, so you've a good chance of scraping something.

Anan1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

also I have yet to find a speed ramp in a 50km/h zone i can actually do 50 over without my jeep bouncing me to the roof

That's jeeps for you, I can do most at 60km/h without discomfort.;) Seriously though, I hate ramps for all the same reasons of the rest of you but what other options are there when people just refuse to slow down?

robtri

Eric Cartman wrote: »

exactly, nanny state , we all grew up fine without speedramps, also housing estates are massive these days , i can understand at 1pm but at 2am i should be able to do 50 through a housing estate without jamming on every 2 seconds, a bit of common sense and driver education would be a far more effective soloution

no we didnt... kids got knocked down in them old days in estates and some died.. ffs

common sense and driver education.. dont make me laugh... lets look at speeding in general, there is alot of education stuff out there about stopping speeding and guess what people still do.. and not just a few a lot of them... unfortuantely education doesnt work...

Eric Cartman wrote: »

also I have yet to find a speed ramp in a 50km/h zone i can actually do 50 over without my jeep bouncing me to the roof

its a speed limit... not a target speed...

Eric Cartman

robtri wrote: »

no we didnt... kids got knocked down in them old days in estates and some died.. ffs

kids still die in housing estates even ones with speed ramps, if a driver is stupid enough not to pay attention to the road and slow down at times when kids are playing on the road then they wont slow down for a bit of concrete anyway

its a speed limit... not a target speed

doesnt mean a piece of concrete should stop me doing 50, if i cant do 50 make it a 30 limit so I atleast know what to expect and avoid that way in future

limklad

zubair wrote: »

Speed bumps would fix this longterm and have the best results imo.

There is plenty of Speed bumps in my estate, and plenty of Mothers (especially those in Jeeps and pretend 4x4) with kids speeding over them. For Years, I had same impression like everybody in the country that of young male Joy riders speeding everywhere. In the Last ten years, I add inconsiderate and not paying attention mothers with kids and young (18 to 35) women who just aim for the low centre between the bumps forcing oncoming cars to stop skidding to avoid crashing. :mad:

BluesBerry

BostonB wrote: »

You've no chance of the Guards doing speed checks regularly enough to make any difference. Personally I think 3 or 4 speed camera's would be better than ramps. But the reality is ramps are cheaper. Ramps work if they are severe enough, and close enough together. Its nightmare to drive across though

challengemaster wrote: »

I've experienced worse

Anyone that thinks speedbumps won't wreck a car, go and drive through DCU campus.... they've got about 5-6 sets of speedbumps within metres of eachother, some you'd cringe going over at 5km/h they're that bad.

The Strawberry Beds in Dublin has to be the worst for ramps 2km of ramps it's a joke its very uncomfortable driving on that road :mad:

Inform the gaurds OP if someone is speeding try and get their reg number and ask them to have a word

Eric Cartman

BluesBerry wrote: »

The Strawberry Beds in Dublin has to be the worst for ramps 2km of ramps it's a joke its very uncomfortable driving on that road :mad:

Inform the gaurds OP if someone is speeding try and get their reg number and ask them to have a word

that road between crumlin hospital/ bingo hall and the kestrel pub is the worst by far

djimi

If speed bumps are designed and constructed correctly then they are the answer. Unfortunately all too often in this country I think those who build speed bumps seem to be of the impression they are building walls rather than something people have to drive a car over. I think they also forget that just because the majority of cars have a certain clearance underneath them, not all cars do, and its one thing having to slow down to get over the speed bump (thats what they are for after all) but its an entirely different thing having to take it practically sideways at the risk of damaging the underside of your car...

I do feel tho that in this case speed bumps probably are the answer. Just build them properly

BostonB

Eric Cartman wrote: »

kids still die in housing estates even ones with speed ramps, if a driver is stupid enough not to pay attention to the road and slow down at times when kids are playing on the road then they wont slow down for a bit of concrete anyway


doesnt mean a piece of concrete should stop me doing 50, if i cant do 50 make it a 30 limit so I atleast know what to expect and avoid that way in future

Your post makes no sense. People don't obey the limits. Hence the ramps. Changing the limit is the most pointless thing you could do.

Likewise the whole reason for not speeding in estates is that theres a loads of pedestrians, often unpredictable wanering around. so you need to shorten your braking distance. Same in city centers.

Anan1

djimi wrote: »

If speed bumps are designed and constructed correctly then they are the answer. Unfortunately all too often in this country I think those who build speed bumps seem to be of the impression they are building walls rather than something people have to drive a car over. I think they also forget that just because the majority of cars have a certain clearance underneath them, not all cars do, and its one thing having to slow down to get over the speed bump (thats what they are for after all) but its an entirely different thing having to take it practically sideways at the risk of damaging the underside of your car...

I do feel tho that in this case speed bumps probably are the answer. Just build them properly

This is the big problem with ramps - they don't affect all cars in the same way. Whereas some cars may have to slow to 15km/h for a ramp, others may be able to cruise over it at 50+. Ideally I think cameras would be better.

djimi

Anan1 wrote: »

This is the big problem with ramps - they don't affect all cars in the same way. Whereas some cars may have to slow to 15km/h for a ramp, others may be able to cruise over it at 50+. Ideally I think cameras would be better.

Can private individuals (or something like an estate management committee) put up cameras? Like if they actually do erect a speed camera I presume they would need to have the local Gardai on board yeah?

robtri

Eric Cartman wrote: »

kids still die in housing estates even ones with speed ramps, if a driver is stupid enough not to pay attention to the road and slow down at times when kids are playing on the road then they wont slow down for a bit of concrete anyway.

they do but the risk is lowered with speed ramps....

Eric Cartman wrote: »

doesnt mean a piece of concrete should stop me doing 50, if i cant do 50 make it a 30 limit so I atleast know what to expect and avoid that way in future

why??? if you cant drive at 50.. then dont... simple really...... do you really need a speed sign for that?????
dont the rules of the road say to drive at a speed appropriate to the conditons.... education and common sense

are the signs for RAMPS AHEAD not enough information as to what to expect.

BostonB

I don't see way there isn't some smaller neater wifi/camera they can fit to lampposts or something. Has to be automatic but work, unlike the toll bridge.

robtri

BostonB wrote: »

I don't see way there isn't some smaller neater wifi/camera they can fit to lampposts or something. Has to be automatic but work, unlike the toll bridge.

nice idea, but there would be a big issue with calibration ( all units have to be calibrated regularly)and proving at time of incident they where working...

challengemaster

So.... privately owned speed cameras...

Apart from the 'small' issue that the speed cameras would have no authority to do anything anyway.

VinnyTGM

challengemaster wrote: »

I've experienced worse

Anyone that thinks speedbumps won't wreck a car, go and drive through DCU campus.... they've got about 5-6 sets of speedbumps within metres of eachother, some you'd cringe going over at 5km/h they're that bad.

Agree with you, the speedbumps are stupidly short and high in DCU.

mondeo

New Speed ramps around ballycullen drive in firhouse are wrecking my car...

Speed ramps are a nuisance but they do slow you down. I see the odd plonker around here racing over them probably to see if they can get 1 wheel up in the air.

Tragedy

There's also an increasing tendency to put speed bumps every 20-30metres along kilometer long roads, even perfectly straight ones with great visibility. Anywhere around Crumlin is a pain in the ass, same with perrystown heading up to spawell/n81

Anan1

djimi wrote: »

Can private individuals (or something like an estate management committee) put up cameras? Like if they actually do erect a speed camera I presume they would need to have the local Gardai on board yeah?

No, they'd have no access to the ownership database or authority to impose fines.

BostonB

Don't private companies do clamping, and tolls?

I don't see why a private company couldn't pass on photos to the Garda.

It would be better then ramps.

monkeypants

The kids out here will happily kick a ball out in front of you and then wander, not run, out to get it. Getting a smack off a car would put some manners on 'em.

Personally I think that it should be okay to run someone over if they bring it upon themselves through stupidity. The rules of the road are skewed slightly too much in favour of pedestrians.

BostonB

You should be made work a month in a children's casualty dept for a comment like that.