illegally used bike parking space

davearthurs

Few enough places to park a bike on Dawson Street, but I notice these guys have been getting away with using a bike parking space for advertising on Dawson street for months now.

Surely this is illegal?

listermint

Doubt it, Id check with the DCC

mloc123

That's quite clever IMO. I saw some company a while back put saddle rain covers on all the bikes locked on parliment street, the covers had adverising on them...

BTH

Where can one buy a pair of these disk wheels. They're nice!!!

BostonB

mloc123 wrote: »

That's quite clever IMO. I saw some company a while back put saddle rain covers on all the bikes locked on parliment street, the covers had adverising on them...

Rain covers good idea.

Using up a bike space bad idea.

72hundred

Saw the same thing in the park recently. A Smart car with heavy advertising was parked in the cyclelane so annoying. Was the only car that day blocking the cycle lane and on double yellow lines.

Jumpy

davearthurs wrote: »

Few enough places to park a bike on Dawson Street, but I notice these guys have been getting away with using a bike parking space for advertising on Dawson street for months now.

Surely this is illegal?

Chain your bike over it

Piercemeear

mloc123 wrote: »

That's quite clever IMO. I saw some company a while back put saddle rain covers on all the bikes locked on parliment street, the covers had adverising on them...

I wouldn't appreciate someone putting an advertisement onto my bike. If I want a rain cover I'll buy one.

And I'm left holding this thing I don't want. All the rain covers in the gutter get blamed on the people who drop them rather than the company. It's like in school where someone would throw their sweet wrapper at you and if it bounced off then you were the litterer.

zzzzzzzz

Piercemeear wrote: »

All the rain covers in the gutter get blamed on the people who drop them rather than the company.

I dont think that's the case - if loads of them are found on the ground the company will be fined.

blorg

Piercemeear wrote: »

It's like in school where someone would throw their sweet wrapper at you and if it bounced off then you were the litterer.

That is how it works, I hope you picked it up.

keenan110

There were saddle covers put on all the bikes around Trinity during the week, have to say i was delighted to find one on my bike, beats the aul plastic bag!

mloc123

keenan110 wrote: »

There were saddle covers put on all the bikes around Trinity during the week, have to say i was delighted to find one on my bike, beats the aul plastic bag!

Out of interest, what were they advertising? Something specific to cyclists or just something general?

monkeypants

72hundred wrote: »

Saw the same thing in the park recently. A Smart car with heavy advertising was parked in the cyclelane so annoying. Was the only car that day blocking the cycle lane and on double yellow lines.

Would the Gardai not tow it if they were made aware?

kincsem

Just spin each wheel 180 degrees.

Ant

I've no idea how legal it is but consistently taking up a bike park space like that is inconsiderate, selfish, ignorant and displays a contemptuous attitude towards other cyclists who might want to use the bike rack to park their bike. Yet another example of a private concern appropriating a public good.

kincsem

email sent to Dublin City Council.

72hundred

monkeypants wrote: »

Would the Gardai not tow it if they were made aware?

Yea park ramgers were aware of it so Garda weren't needed.

cdaly_

Ant wrote: »

I've no idea how legal it is but consistently taking up a bike park space like that is inconsiderate, selfish, ignorant and displays a contemptuous attitude towards other cyclists who might want to use the bike rack to park their bike. Yet another example of a private concern appropriating a public good.

It's possible that the business owner or a member of staff cycles to work on it...

tomasrojo

I don't imagine much can be done about this. It's not illegal to put advertising on a bike, and it's not illegal to park a bike at a dedicated bike stand. I guess if it was permanently there it could be removed, since it would effectively be abandoned, but otherwise I don't think the adverstisers are doing anything illegal. Not that I approve of what they're doing.

davearthurs

It should be covered under Roads Act, 1993

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0014/sec0071.html

I'm sure if they want to advertise on a corner they can get someone to stand with a sign but taking up a bike parking space when there are so few of them on Dawson Street should certainly be illegal.

Harrybelafonte

Looks like it's been abondoned. It's not a bad little machine either... See where I'm going with this?

Ant

cdaly_ wrote: »

It's possible that the business owner or a member of staff cycles to work on it...

I considered that possibility - which would be fair enough - but the fact that it's consistently left out in the most prominent and visible position for passing traffic leaves me more than a little suspicious.

tomasrojo

davearthurs wrote: »

It should be covered under Roads Act, 1993

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0014/sec0071.html

I'm sure if they want to advertise on a corner they can get someone to stand with a sign but taking up a bike parking space when there are so few of them on Dawson Street should certainly be illegal.

Good find. It reminds me of recent news stories about how the Gardai are to crack down on people dragging advert-bearing lorry trailers into fields adjoining motorways, in an attempt to advertise local businesses to passersby.

Beasty

davearthurs wrote: »

It should be covered under Roads Act, 1993

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0014/sec0071.html

I'm sure if they want to advertise on a corner they can get someone to stand with a sign but taking up a bike parking space when there are so few of them on Dawson Street should certainly be illegal.

Is the footpath part of the "public road"?

If so, most the shops in the country are probably breaking the law

mtbireland

Have people nothing better to give out about....? jeeeeeeezus wept.... I see loads of free space for parking your bike every day around the city...

adrianshanahan

mtbireland wrote: »

Have people nothing better to give out about....? jeeeeeeezus wept.... I see loads of free space for parking your bike every day around the city...

What he said!

delta_bravo

Footpath is not the road though. I can't see there is anything wrong with what this company is doing.

davearthurs

You've obviously never tried to park you bike around Dawson Street - there are only about 10 bike rails in the street and they are always full.

Taking up a space allocated for a bike with a phoney bike just to advertise for free is clearly out of line.

manwithaplan

God help the people in Dublin City Council having to field e-mails like this. Life's too short.

I must admit that I am mostly posting this to further rile the previous poster. I want to see The Fury of Dave Arthurs.

davearthurs

You'll be waiting

So on what grounds do you think it is ok to fill up the minimal parking space allocated for bicycles in Dublin with advertising so they can't be used?

mtbireland

Dawson street carpark has a cage for locking bikes in... so if you were parking around here quite often it might be worth paying the fee to have it locked in there....

manwithaplan

davearthurs wrote: »

So on what grounds do you think it is ok to fill up the minimal parking space allocated for bicycles in Dublin with advertising so they can't be used?

I don't think it's OK to be honest but it would be so far down my list of things that are not OK that I would let it go. I certainly wouldn't be e-mailing anyone about it (although I must admit that there would probably need to be ten minutes notice of a motorway being built through my front garden to put me in protest e-mail mode).

However, I have now been motivated enought to write two posts about it so maybe I should chain myself to the stand alongside the bike. If only I had the thyme (or maybe a bunch of it;) ).

Captain Havoc

manwithaplan wrote: »

I must admit that I am mostly posting this to further rile the previous poster. I want to see The Fury of Dave Arthurs.

This is what we would consider trolling, don't do it again.

the boss of me

manwithaplan wrote: »

I want to see The Fury of Dave Arthurs.

Now that to me is a pun on the name of the a band anybody ever hear of The fureys and Davy Arthur ?

Captain Havoc

the boss of me wrote: »

Now that to me is a pun on the name of the a band anybody ever hear of The fureys and Davy Arthur ?

You also missed the bunch of thyme reference.

Bunnyhopper

Beasty wrote: »

Is the footpath part of the "public road"?

If so, most the shops in the country are probably breaking the law

delta_bravo wrote: »

Footpath is not the road though. I can't see there is anything wrong with what this company is doing.

If I'm remembering correctly, there's a distinction between "road" and "roadway" - I'm not sure which is which, but I think "roadway" refers to the area reserved for vehicles, whereas "road" refers to the roadway plus the paths, gutters, kerbs, etc. etc.

Something like that.

Bunnyhopper

Yeah...

Roads Act, 1993, Section 2

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0014/sec0002.html

"road" includes—


( a ) any street, lane, footpath, square, court, alley or passage,


( b ) any bridge, viaduct, underpass, subway, tunnel, overpass, overbridge, flyover, carriageway (whether single or multiple), pavement or footway,


( c ) any weighbridge or other facility for the weighing or inspection of vehicles, toll plaza or other facility for the collection of tolls, service area, emergency telephone, first aid post, culvert, arch, gulley, railing, fence, wall, barrier, guardrail, margin, kerb, lay-by, hard shoulder, island, pedestrian refuge, median, central reserve, channelliser, roundabout, gantry, pole, ramp, bollard, pipe, wire, cable, sign, signal or lighting forming part of the road, and


( d ) any other structure or thing forming part of the road and


(i) necessary for the safety, convenience or amenity of road users or for the construction, maintenance, operation or management of the road or for the protection of the environment, or


(ii) prescribed by the Minister;

…


"roadway" means that portion of a road which is provided primarily for the use of vehicles;

manwithaplan

Captain Havoc wrote: »

This is what we would consider trolling, don't do it again.

Christ - I wouldn't troll in a million years. My views on the actions of the freelance marketeers not being worth getting bothered about were entirely genuine. I just took the opportunity to gently rib the guy about his username and he responded in good part. Any reference to riling a poster or "Fury" was in service of a poor pun, not an indication of posting contrarian views to get someone's back up. I can't work out from the following posts if I have been exonerated due to a mod having had a poor frame of cultural reference or if I am still considered a troll.

keenan110

mloc123 wrote: »

Out of interest, what were they advertising? Something specific to cyclists or just something general?

They were bright orange saddle covers advertising AIB!

happytramp

manwithaplan wrote: »

I can't work out from the following posts if I have been exonerated due to a mod having had a poor frame of cultural reference or if I am still considered a troll.

In my opinion you are completely exonerated and I would go so far as to say that feeling a slight sense of triumph would be totally acceptable.

RainyDay

Just curious to know if this ever got sorted?

Beasty

Nah! He's still considered a troll:pac:

CramCycle

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Looks like it's been abondoned. It's not a bad little machine either... See where I'm going with this?

It's clearly not there that long, it hasn't been appropriated by other parties or the council.

keenan110 wrote: »

They were bright orange saddle covers advertising AIB!

Sooner they gave me less transaction fees rather than make my bike uglier.

Qualitymark

mtbireland wrote: »

Have people nothing better to give out about....? jeeeeeeezus wept.... I see loads of free space for parking your bike every day around the city...

Some places this is so, others it's not. Anywhere around Grafton Street there tends not to be enough spaces. I've walked up and down Wicklow/Exchequer Street in pouring rain, cursing, unable to find a stand or pole on the street or off it. Dawson Street, especially with our slo-mo builders working on the planned 2116 launch of the new Luas line, can be awful.

Wishbone Ash

Qualitymark wrote: »

.. I've walked up and down Wicklow/Exchequer Street in pouring rain, cursing, unable to find a stand or pole on the street or off it...

Why not use Drury Street bike park - dry and free of charge.

Qualitymark

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Why not use Drury Street bike park - dry and free of charge.

I must take a look for it - not in town that often, and usually in Kildare Street when i am. But several posts here have talked about bicycles being stolen from Drury Street bike park.

Fian

davearthurs wrote: »

You've obviously never tried to park you bike around Dawson Street - there are only about 10 bike rails in the street and they are always full.

Taking up a space allocated for a bike with a phoney bike just to advertise for free is clearly out of line.

If i wanted to park there I would welcome this. I would regard the advertising bike as a personal parking space that is unlikely to be occupied by others. I would just lock my bike over the advertising bike every time I needed to park there.

As it happens I don't need to park around there.

CramCycle

Qualitymark wrote: »

I must take a look for it - not in town that often, and usually in Kildare Street when i am. But several posts here have talked about bicycles being stolen from Drury Street bike park.

It happens, security seem to be particularly lax about it. Basically make sure your bike and saddle are locked better than any of the bikes around you.

I would not say its guaranteed but it seems regular enough to hear about.

Orion

Have people not noticed they're responding to 5 year old posts?

CramCycle

RainyDay wrote: »

Just curious to know if this ever got sorted?

The bike is still there

Orion wrote: »

Have people not noticed they're responding to 5 year old posts?

Alas no

Bike is still there most days I am in town. The fact that it has not been stolen is a testament to the power of advertising. Might put a shops logo on my bike with some stick on discs for parking.

buffalo

CramCycle wrote: »

Might put a shops logo on my bike with some stick on discs for parking.

Why just for parking? Surely they'd make you more aero on the move too?!