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So has anyone cleared a classic with the NCT crowd

  • 23-09-2010 11:20pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering following the previous discussion on here if anyone has gone through the NCT crowd yet to register an imported classic since the
    Sept. 1st change.

    Did they...
    want to see the car
    examine it in detail
    have a clue what they were looking at or for?

    Would be interested to hear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭marathont


    I am in the procees as we speak.

    They didnt really examine the car that much. They did not want to see a chassis number stamped on the chassis. I am not even sure if they looked at the chassis number on the plate.

    More interested in how many doors/windows it has I think.

    My car seemingly was not on their system, so they had wait for a code or something. They rang me a week later to go back and finalise.

    I have not gone back yet (did not need to make an appointment.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,224 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    gn3dr wrote: »
    Would be interested to hear

    And so would all of us :)

    Good thread!

    @marathont - keep us posted how you are getting on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭superfly35


    I am wondering something I have a car to register but at the moment it is a restoration project (no engine in the car, no interior).
    Should I bring them the car as is ?

    It is more than 30 years old so the flat rate should applied anyaway.
    I don't really fancy take the car out of the workshop for this.

    Is somebody know the story there?

    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Hey Superfly,

    I have a similar dilemma as I brought a 30+ year old vehicle in a few weeks ago that is a non the runner. Due to unforeseen circumstances there is no way I will meet the 30 day deadline to register so I called the NCT helpline for advice. They told me as long as I have proof of the entry date into the country and provided the vehicle was over 30 years old at the time then its not an issue to register at my convenience as its likely a few months before I will be able to this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 milan


    Slightly off topic but along the same lines of VRT,who do you contact now to find out the price of VRT on a car,or a rough guide price?

    I want to bring in a car from the UK/N.Ireland but I wont buy the car unless the VRT is something I can afford,as the days of leaving the car parked in a shed until you can afford the VRT are long gone unfortunately.

    I know if I ring the NCT they'll tell me to bring in the car,which isnt possible as I havent bought it yet:rolleyes:
    And the VRT seem to be passing the buck onto the NCT crowd?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    milan wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but along the same lines of VRT,who do you contact now to find out the price of VRT on a car,or a rough guide price?

    I want to bring in a car from the UK/N.Ireland but I wont buy the car unless the VRT is something I can afford,as the days of leaving the car parked in a shed until you can afford the VRT are long gone unfortunately.

    I know if I ring the NCT they'll tell me to bring in the car,which isnt possible as I havent bought it yet:rolleyes:
    And the VRT seem to be passing the buck onto the NCT crowd?

    Just use the online calculator https://www.ros.ie/VRTEnquiryServlet/showVRT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭superfly35


    krissovo wrote: »
    Hey Superfly,

    I have a similar dilemma as I brought a 30+ year old vehicle in a few weeks ago that is a non the runner. Due to unforeseen circumstances there is no way I will meet the 30 day deadline to register so I called the NCT helpline for advice. They told me as long as I have proof of the entry date into the country and provided the vehicle was over 30 years old at the time then its not an issue to register at my convenience as its likely a few months before I will be able to this.

    That's sounds good, I just need to manage a proof of entry date into the country.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭DannyBuoy


    superfly35 wrote: »
    I am wondering something I have a car to register but at the moment it is a restoration project (no engine in the car, no interior).
    Should I bring them the car as is ?
    ...

    Car has to be driving or at least capable of being driven when presented to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 milan


    gn3dr wrote: »
    Just use the online calculator https://www.ros.ie/VRTEnquiryServlet/showVRT

    That VRT calculator is so outdated it isnt even funny,and doesnt show up the car i'm even trying to get a price on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Redrocket


    exactly, almost any online car insurance system has a better make/model matching system than the VRT calculator. it simply sucks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭marathont


    unkel wrote: »
    And so would all of us :)

    Good thread!

    @marathont - keep us posted how you are getting on

    I have finished the process now. Pretty painless, although I did have all the paperwork, inovice, shipping receipt etc. Had to make 2 trips to the centre, didnt have to bring the car the 2nd time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭jimbooth


    Spoke to the guy in the VRT office the other day about my resto project in the shed on Uk plates and he said when it's running bring it and the V5, and "make up" an invoice around the date of import/purchase , they're not too pushy regarding classics apparently :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭kiki


    jimbooth wrote: »
    Spoke to the guy in the VRT office the other day about my resto project in the shed on Uk plates and he said when it's running bring it and the V5, and "make up" an invoice around the date of import/purchase , they're not too pushy regarding classics apparently :rolleyes:


    Ah yes a special invoice - hmmm .... Ivor Callely style I guess. No wonder we are in the sorry state we are in when an official suggests that paperwork be "made up" to get round a newly introduced rule, wouldn't it be better to fix the written rules for classic car importation ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭manta mad


    talking to a fella yesterday ,,,
    he,s trying to get a 260 datsun registered , but cant !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    as they don't have it on the system at all & they want him to register it as a 280 :mad:

    he,s been at them since early last month & no luck !!!!!

    so tell me this with all these rules and regulations & all the vrt/nct crowd telling people to make up false documents, some cars not even on the system & they putting them down as a completly different model ,

    how qualified & legally binding are their assessments ????????????

    for instance if you crash your car and its a 260 , but its down as a 280 ,
    are you legaly covered with your insurance ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭superfly35


    manta mad wrote: »
    for instance if you crash your car and its a 260 , but its down as a 280 ,
    are you legaly covered with your insurance ?

    The answer of this is no, but I think you should be able to get the insurance to insure a 260 although the paperwork is saying 280...

    But it is really chaos....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭2cv


    superfly35 wrote: »
    The answer of this is no, but I think you should be able to get the insurance to insure a 260 although the paperwork is saying 280...

    But it is really chaos....

    Ah come on :D The rules aren't that strict in this country.... I know someone that had a 1964 vehicle registered as follows:

    Make: Unknown
    Model: Another

    I've seen the tax book with my own eyes :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    2CV
    I think that fits the meaning of"Carte blanche" as distinct from Carte Gris.


    Rugbyman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭2cv


    rugbyman wrote: »
    2CV
    I think that fits the meaning of"Carte blanche" as distinct from Carte Gris.


    Rugbyman

    Absolutely... I always referred to it as the "Universal taxbook"... fits all cars :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭aidhan


    I had a jap import Nissan serena and it was 'other' on the book and on the tax disc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    2cv wrote: »
    Ah come on :D The rules aren't that strict in this country.... I know someone that had a 1964 vehicle registered as follows:

    Make: Unknown
    Model: Another
    Just get a set of badges made up for the back of it saying that..:D

    I think there has been an issue with some campervans being listed incorrectly by the VRO,and having trouble in some foreign countries with their documents not matching the vehicle exactly? Anyone hear anything about this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭superfly35


    I think there has been an issue with some campervans being listed incorrectly by the VRO,and having trouble in some foreign countries with their documents not matching the vehicle exactly? Anyone hear anything about this?

    Yeah, I have to say that if you do get stop by the garda in France for example. The first thing they are asking is the log book, insurance document, and driving license.
    Then they are checking that the documents are matching, to avoid stolen car.

    So if the log book does not matches the car, you will have a problem to explain it with a sentence like "It is because the VRO officer could not find my car in the system." althought it is true. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    2cv wrote: »
    Ah come on :D The rules aren't that strict in this country.... I know someone that had a 1964 vehicle registered as follows:

    Make: Unknown
    Model: Another

    I had something similar when I registered my own. The make was fine but the model had to go down as "Other" because it wasn't on the system. Oddly, they had the 7.0 litre but not the 7.6.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I heard today of someone presenting a 1976 car which they FAILED and wouldnt register as it needed welding.
    Owner has to get the welding done and re-present it.
    They looked for proof of date of purchase and import....they also wanted the UK MoT cert..... this doesn't sound good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Fiesta


    I turned up on Monday, with my new toy. They asked for PPS number, utility bill, driving licence.

    Lady looked at mileage, VIN Plate, and she asked me where the chassis no. was stamped onto chassis. Told her I've no idea. She said 'ok'.

    All was going well until I was told the car has an "X1 or X2 Depreciation Code" :confused::confused: I presume the car isn't on their system.

    She said the Revenue would be in touch in the coming days, and when they do, to return to the NCT Centre to finish the process. Still waiting...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    thats more like I was expecting the system to be.I wonder if "my" guy booked it in wrongly for a test?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    corktina wrote: »
    thats more like I was expecting the system to be.I wonder if "my" guy booked it in wrongly for a test?
    Must have..cant imagine the person in the office spotting the car needed welding...unless it was utterly hanging..:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭superfly35


    Fiesta wrote: »
    I turned up on Monday, with my new toy. They asked for PPS number, utility bill, driving licence.

    Lady looked at mileage, VIN Plate, and she asked me where the chassis no. was stamped onto chassis. Told her I've no idea. She said 'ok'.

    All was going well until I was told the car has an "X1 or X2 Depreciation Code" :confused::confused: I presume the car isn't on their system.

    She said the Revenue would be in touch in the coming days, and when they do, to return to the NCT Centre to finish the process. Still waiting...

    Hey Fiesta,
    Did you have to show a receipt/invoice of purchase and a shiiping ticket?
    Cheers


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    corktina wrote: »
    I heard today of someone presenting a 1976 car which they FAILED and wouldnt register as it needed welding.
    That has to be a mistake.

    Surely we'd know if the rules were changed so that a car had to be roadworthy to simply register it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭kasper


    well if a car is being imported into the uk does it not have to be moted before it can be registered , i am sure i read about it somewhere


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    lets hope its a mistake otherwise serious concequences for us


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭manta mad


    jaysus !!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

    that cant be right !!!!!!!!!!

    its not an nct & cannot be nct,d till its registered .
    and its only for registration purposes that it went to the point of registration
    which in our country happens to be the nct crowd ..

    so how can they refuse registration on the basis of it needing welding & it has to be able to drive to get a number ?

    something wrong their people ..:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭manta mad


    went of to do a bit of searching on this & i found that the revenue now have a open forum !!!!!!!!!

    vrt.ie general vtr + motoring forum
    anybody on here on it ?
    bet theirs gonna be a few locked threads & deleted posts on their !!!!!!!! :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    kasper wrote: »
    well if a car is being imported into the uk does it not have to be moted before it can be registered , i am sure i read about it somewhere

    Yes, it does. The MOT and insurance are done under the VIN/chassis number until it gets allocated a registration mark.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    NCT VRT page

    (B) Registering a used vehicle:

    9)For vehicles over 4 years old, an unexpired roadworthiness certificate confirming that an equivalent to the NCT test has been passed. Where this documentation is not available, the vehicle may be called for a roadworthiness test shortly after registration.

    (I've still to see regulatory evidence of setting the NCT due date to import registration date, when everything else is done by first worldwide registration date.)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    macplaxton wrote: »
    NCT VRT page
    9)For vehicles over 4 years old, an unexpired roadworthiness certificate confirming that an equivalent to the NCT test has been passed. Where this documentation is not available, the vehicle may be called for a roadworthiness test shortly after registration.
    The 4 year rule implies the test requirement is as per the current Irish car rules ... which of course exempts cars prior to 01/01/1980 ...

    I'm thinking just because they don't expressly mention the exempt categories is no reason to believe they suddenly aren't exempt?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I suppose it hinges on that word MAY.....does that imply an exempt vehicle wont be called? This is a 1976 car that got called and failed dont forget.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    This is nothing new. You could only ever register a car that was in road worthy condition. You cant register a car thats missing an engine, seats etc. After all you are registering it for the purpose of driving it on the road. Its all in the VRT manual which is available online.

    The fact that irish law states you must register the car when you bring it into the country contradicts this, which really means its an import tax not a registration tax.

    The only difference now is that the people registering the cars are actually looking at the vehicle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Fiesta


    superfly35 wrote: »
    Hey Fiesta,
    Did you have to show a receipt/invoice of purchase and a shiiping ticket?
    Cheers

    I was asked for a receipt, but not a ferry ticket. I was peed off not being asked for the ferry receipt, as I went off and bought printer ink just for that :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    I wouldnt bother with a ferry ticket. The UK is only 1h 45mins up the road from Dublin. And if they ask where it was stored just tell them it was parked on the side of the road in Newry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    This is nothing new. You could only ever register a car that was in road worthy condition. You cant register a car thats missing an engine, seats etc. After all you are registering it for the purpose of driving it on the road. Its all in the VRT manual which is available online.

    The fact that irish law states you must register the car when you bring it into the country contradicts this, which really means its an import tax not a registration tax.

    The only difference now is that the people registering the cars are actually looking at the vehicle.

    are you sure? I have known it done..I have even known cars re-regiistered before they have been imported.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,312 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    manta mad wrote: »
    went of to do a bit of searching on this & i found that the revenue now have a open forum !!!!!!!!!

    vrt.ie general vtr + motoring forum
    anybody on here on it ?
    bet theirs gonna be a few locked threads & deleted posts on their !!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
    www.vrt.ie has no connection with Revenue. Rant and rave all you like!

    Not your ornery onager



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    corktina wrote: »
    his is a 1976 car that got called and failed dont forget.

    I forgot.

    I think when did the VRT inspection they forgot too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i dont think so. Im thinking any car classic or not with no MoT or equiv is going to get inspected and may fail and not be registered until it passes. It's the end for importing projects isnt it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭PaulK_CCI


    corktina wrote: »
    Im thinking any car classic or not with no MoT or equiv is going to get inspected and may fail and not be registered until it passes. It's the end for importing projects isnt it?

    I am not so sure about this. If I look at the situation of importing in other European countries, notably the Netherlands, where there is an NCT (APK) requirement for ALL cars, including classics (up to 1960, with cars older than 50 years exempt), I know for a fact that you CAN register a vehicle prior to it being roadworthy. The registration offices ARE entitled to perform NCT's, so in that respect there is a similarity with the combination of independent testing stations looking after the vehicle registration process, but you can also have your car tested at any later stage at a local testing station. Because the enforcing of the motor taxation and validity of NCT is done automatically via computer and spot checks on the road, you can´t really get away with putting the car on the road without an NCT. During the registration proces, cars are then purely judged on chassis number and registration documents, whether VRT is to be paid, and wether the car still matches the factory spec as in correct wheel distance, amount of doors-windows, etc (not wether foglights are fitted, or whether bumpers have been removed, etc... ).

    I do not see how it can be made legally feasible to refuse to register a vehicle that is exempt from NCT, based on an NCT requirement. There must have been a mixup in the person doing the registration, in that he/she had misinterpreted what the purpose was of the visit. I can see no other explanation.

    Unless Ireland has managed to introduce yet another weird contradicting ruling, just like the provisional license system, whereby someone can fail the Driving Test, showing incompetence on the road, and yet, still get behind the wheel and drive home ;-)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    If you trailer a complete junker up to the VRT/NCT centre, are they now going to send you away until the car is roadworthy? I doubt it.

    Maybe it's the case where they're going to check cars that are actually driven into the centre for registration?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    it remains to be seen...ive an awful sinking feeling...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    Im always amazed that people will out questions forward on boards before consulting the actual facts that are freely available from www.revenue.ie .

    What kind of examination is carried out at an NCTS centre? What paperwork do I need relating to the vehicle?

    The NCTS examination has two separate parts. The first part is to ensure that the documentation presented at registration is complete and fulfils the requirements of registration.
    The second is to verify that the vehicle details described in the paperwork matches the vehicle to identify the vehicle accurately for taxation purposes and to ascertain that the vehicle meets the definition of a 'mechanically propelled vehicle' provided for in VRT legislation i.e.
    • has been designed and constructed for road use,
    • has a certificate of conformity to the required European Community standard,
    • is intended to be driven by a mechanical/electrical means or by a combination of both mechanical and electrical means, and
    • is at the time of presentation of registration capable of being driven.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭PaulK_CCI


    Im always amazed that people will out questions forward on boards before consulting the actual facts that are freely available from www.revenue.ie .

    Sure, but I still feel the OP posted a very valid argument that is not answered by reading the entire document:

    "is at the time of presentation of registration capable of being driven." is of course not the same as "roadworthy".

    An NCT official refusing to register the vehicle on the basis that some welding to the chassis is required, would contradict the guidelines, that only state that the car should be capable of 'being driven'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Redrocket


    so what if my foreign reg'd car has no engine? or spark plugs? it cant be driven, but might be perfectly roadworthy?


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