do YOU know how to use the M50

mikerowsopht

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive. They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

It's the RSA's failure as usual and here is the reason:

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license
Theory test - motorways not included
Full Driving test - motorways not included, sure you're not even allowed on until you pass

So there it is, the reason why Irish people don't know how to use motorways

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

thank you for your time

Saila

are you typing this from a traffic jam

_feedback_

I'll get this out of the way early - It's an overtaking lane, not a fast lane - and a driving lane, not slow lane.

ktnxbai

alwaysadub

Em, it's actually an overtaking lane, not a fast lane.

Oranage2

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive. They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

It's the RSA's failure as usual and here is the reason:

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license
Theory test - motorways not included
Full Driving test - motorways not included, sure you're not even allowed on until you pass

So there it is, the reason why Irish people don't know how to use motorways

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

thank you for your time

There are no fast and slow lanes and number 3 is the correct thing to do but i see where you are coming from - some annoying drivers out there majority are middle aged women in a Yaris

Rud

it's an overtaking lane

h3000

mikerowsopht wrote: »

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

No such thing as a fast lane, it's called the overtaking lane.

First rule of the road KEEP LEFT unless overtaking

pickarooney

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license

Please tell us which countries allow you to drive on the motorway without a licence, so I can avoid them.

RMD

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive. They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

It's the RSA's failure as usual and here is the reason:

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license
Theory test - motorways not included
Full Driving test - motorways not included, sure you're not even allowed on until you pass

So there it is, the reason why Irish people don't know how to use motorways

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

thank you for your time

Stop pretending you use the M50, it's practically a car park at that time of day. There's no passing on it then.

starlit

No never driven on the M50 or any motorway as I am only a learner driver but from experience as a passenger in a car and a bus, I wouldn't think driving on the M50 is no joke, say tis tough enough to drive between the south and north bound with all the traffic. There is a wrong way and right way, so the correct proceedure should apply to all motorways not just the M50!

Check out the motorways in Scotland and London you get a fair idea how to use a motorway!

Renn

M50 is a nightmare, as is the N11. People don't know how to drive properly on them. They will not obey the 100km/h speed limit and I often see people doing 140 or 150 on it. Why don't the traffic corps tackle this area?

Oh and the motorcyclists on it are just lethal.

THall04

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :


3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

How big is a massive gap?.....going by the 2 second rule the correct distance at 100Kmph it would be 55meters or 170ft......longer if its raining.

Minstrel27

mikerowsopht wrote: »

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

If you are calling it a fast lane then I bet you haven't a clue about motorway driving.

Wertz

Just undertake OP...

30H!3

mikerowsopht wrote: »

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

No such thing as a "fast lane" as has already been said.

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

Ok sorry I will start overtaking at 100mph faster instead.

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

Woops, again, I must start driving closer to and tailgating people at speeds of 100km/h. Especially in the rain.

Uriel.

mikerowsopht wrote: »

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

2) - eh if a car was doing 98km/h and I was doing a flat 100km/h and edging closer to him I would overtake him and keep within the speed limit (well I wouldn't keep within it myself but others do and are entitled to). Overtaking is overtaking it's not I have to overtake him at 125% or 150% of the car I am over taking

3) If you are overtaking someone and the vehicle in front of you is also over taking the same person (or a string of cars) then you are legally entitled to overtake with whatever size of a gap between you and the preceeding car. Again Overtaking is overtaking. Plus, I'd rather a big gap than plough into the back of the car in front.

Do YOU know how to use the M50?

Uriel.

Renn wrote: »

M50 is a nightmare, as is the N11. People don't know how to drive properly on them. They will not obey the 100km/h speed limit and I often see people doing 140 or 150 on it. Why don't the traffic corps tackle this area?

Oh and the motorcyclists on it are just lethal.

Do you have a built in speed camera in your car?

I druive the M50 and N/M11 everyday (twice a day). People breaking the speed limit have never caused me a problem nor have motorcyclists. People driving in the middle lane of the M50 or driving way below the speed limit, however, do cause me lots of problems

Overheal

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane
2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

The Speed limit?

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

Define massive gap. Then define collision and tyre blowout.

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

It's an overtaking lane, so unless everyone in that column is overtaking someone: They're all idiots.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive.

Where the fcuk?

They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

No such thing as a slow lane

Actually what really pisses me off is a driver in the overtaking lane that doesnt pay attention, their exit comes up and lo and behold they swoop through 2 lanes of traffic without signaling or thought.

Renn

Lolz. No I don't have a camera in the car but if I'm doing 100, i.e. the speed limit, I can tell if somebody is doing 140 or so pretty easily. I'm not sure why you're even disputing what I've experienced because, eh, I'm the one that's experienced it. I didn't say they were causing me a problem but have a good chance of causing somebody else a problem. And the motorcyclists on that road just constantly undertake like they own the f*cking thing.

hybridmouse

Uriel. wrote: »

Do you have a built in speed camera in your car?

I druive the M50 and N/M11 everyday (twice a day). People breaking the speed limit have never caused me a problem nor have motorcyclists. People driving in the middle lane of the M50 or driving way below the speed limit, however, do cause me lots of problems

I do the same journey as you every day M50 + M/N11 to and from work and I agree, there are so many sloooow cars ambling down the middle lane, those drivers who randomly hit the brake from time to time for no reason. Grr!

This may clear things up for the OP: http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

Uriel.

Renn wrote: »

Lolz. No I don't have a camera in the car but if I'm doing 100, i.e. the speed limit, I can tell if somebody is doing 140 or so pretty easily. I'm not sure why you're even disputing what I've experienced because, eh, I'm the one that's experienced it. I didn't say they were causing me a problem but have a good chance of causing somebody else a problem. And the motorcyclists on that road just constantly undertake like they own the f*cking thing.

Jeez keep a cool head.

No it's nt easy to determine the speed of a car without the proper equipment. You can say it is going faster than your speed but that's it.

I am not disputing "your experience". You will see, if you actually bothered to read my post properly that I gave MY experiences. hence the use of the word "ME" in my post.

IME undertaking is usually only a problem when someone is in the wrong lane to begin with

Sam Vimes

To be honest I spend a lot of time in the overtaking lane because I don't want to weave in and out of lanes to overtake people. But as soon as another car comes up behind me I get out of the way and let them pass so I'm not causing an obstruction.

Uriel.

hybridmouse wrote: »

I do the same journey as you every day M50 + M/N11 to and from work and I agree, there are so many sloooow cars ambling down the middle lane, those drivers who randomly hit the brake from time to time for no reason. Grr!

I really hate that!!! drives me nuts. Fair enough if someone wants to move along at the speed limit but that is easily regulated by using the accelerator only.

This craic of braking is mad. I instinctively brake (depending on the distance from the car in front and/or visibility conditions) in case I am coming up to a traffic jam (at 100 / 120km/h) that I can't see. Then only to have the clown speed up again as normal... grrrr!

Overheal

Uriel. wrote: »

I really hate that!!! drives me nuts. Fair enough if someone wants to move along at the speed limit but that is easily regulated by using the accelerator only.

This craic of braking is mad. I instinctively brake (depending on the distance from the car in front and/or visibility conditions) in case I am coming up to a traffic jam (at 100 / 120km/h) that I can't see. Then only to have the clown speed up again as normal... grrrr!

Or the people who tailgate behind someone and keep tapping their brakes:

- you're not supposed to be there
- you're a moron
- you don't need to over-accelerate. lead foot?

hate em

Ash.J.Williams

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive. They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

It's the RSA's failure as usual and here is the reason:

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license
Theory test - motorways not included
Full Driving test - motorways not included, sure you're not even allowed on until you pass

So there it is, the reason why Irish people don't know how to use motorways

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

thank you for your time

i disagree with 3, people are not leaving enough room, too much is deffo better than two little...there is a pile-up waiting to happen..

Uriel.

Overheal wrote: »

Or the people who tailgate behind someone and keep tapping their brakes:

- you're not supposed to be there
- you're a moron
- you don't need to over-accelerate. lead foot?

hate em

yeah hate that too. I can't understand why people can't regulate their speed in accordance with their surroundings (both slow and fast)

Renn

Oh right. But they're still breaking the rules of the road on a constant basis.

hybridmouse

Actually what REALLY annoys me on the M50 is when I'm motoring along and people who are queuing to get off at an exit to my left suddenly get bored and change their mind, swerving out into my lane just a short distance ahead so that I have to slam on the brakes. That happens all the bloody time coming up to Lucan

Wertz

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i disagree with 3, people are not leaving enough room, too much is deffo better than two little...there is a pile-up waiting to happen..

The problem is that when you leave any sort of gap, even one just slightly longer than the "2 second gap" some muppet pulls into it.

The whole way we use all the mways in this country (not just the m50) is nothing short of disgraceful....all that expensive road real estate and it still gets clogged because people don't understand the stay left rule.
Oh and +1 on phantom brakers: why are you braking? Do you like wasting fuel?

evolving_doors

Wertz wrote: »

Just undertake OP...

Second the motion

although I think it's ok to flash first if someone's not pullin in

billymitchell

No, do you?

Skid

mikerowsopht wrote: »

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

Damn right, get right up the bumper of the guy ahead of you.

Nothing wrong with giving him a bit of encouragement :eek::eek::eek:



Get off the road, you have no idea how to drive safely.

If you seriously believe this nonsense, you are going to end up in a serious crash.

Learn how to drive properly before you post moronic crap like this.

Cianos

mikerowsopht wrote: »

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

No! Don't move in to the middle lane, move in to and stay in the left lane until you want to overtake someone. When you've overtaken him, move straight back in to the left lane! Do not drive in the middle lane unless you're overtaking. Doing so means there's only one overtaking lane which massively slows up the road.

I don't get why they're pumping billions in to road infrastructure to improve efficiency when enforcing this rule would make a such a big difference to road efficiency.

Wertz

Armelodie wrote: »

although I think it's ok to flash first if someone's not pullin in

As do I (flash, then indicators)...but I find an awful lot of those who hog the OT lane don't look in their mirrors either...and you get the element that think they own the road and won't move even if they do see you.

hybridmouse

Wertz wrote: »

The problem is that when you leave any sort of gap, even one just slightly longer than the "2 second gap" some muppet pulls into it.

+1

I HATE this! I couldn't believe some people doing this on the M50 during the snow, I'm leaving that space for a reason you foool!!

keithclancy

Wish there was a thumbs down button ... how to drive on a motorway .. seriously ?

With the state of this forum it'll just turn into a bitchy mess of a thread

KamiKazi

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

Yea, speed kills!

mikerowsopht wrote: »

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

Still overtaking, what's your hurry?

mikerowsopht wrote: »

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

Safety first.

mikerowsopht wrote: »

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

I like it in the fast lane, it's a cool place.

kikel

Sam Vimes wrote: »

To be honest I spend a lot of time in the overtaking lane because I don't want to weave in and out of lanes to overtake people. But as soon as another car comes up behind me I get out of the way and let them pass so I'm not causing an obstruction.

I see you arguement but it is still an obstruction in what you are doing. If there is room to your left move over. Just because the person behind you might not be putting pressure on you to move over. There could be someone further back that would like you and others to get out of the way. It could be Garda car, Ambulance, someone rushing to hospital or trying to get home for an emergency.

The rules state keep left so keep left if possible.

Absurdum

*bangs head on desk repeatedly*

RayM

mikerowsopht wrote:

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

It can be annoying when it happens, but as far as I'm aware, there is no law against... say... overtaking a car which is doing 99km/h, whilst doing just 100 yourself. Even if the speed limit is 120.

mikerowsopht wrote:

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

I'm 'guilty' of this. If the car in front is doing the same speed as I want to do, I like to leave a gap big enough so that, if someone overtakes me, they can filter back in front of me without causing me to brake or pull back. If you brake on a motorway, you inevitably set off that stupid chain reaction whereby every other f**ker behind does the same.

Also, coming up to certain junctions (inbound at the Red Cow in Dublin springs to mind), leaving a big gap allows our confused country cousins to filter belatedly into the correct lane, as they find their bearings, preferably without stopping in the middle of the road or dangerously chopping in front of people. If everyone was happy to leave a massive gap between themselves and the car in front, journeys would be both calmer and quicker overall.

mikerowsopht wrote:

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

As long as there's no quicker traffic behind me, I'm usually quite happy to linger in the overtaking lane (on a two-lane stretch) slightly longer than is necessary (or legal), especially if I can see an exit junction or slower moving traffic in the main driving lane in the distance. As long as you use your mirrors properly, I don't see the point in continually making unnecessary high-speed lane-changes.

Overheal

Wertz wrote: »

The problem is that when you leave any sort of gap, even one just slightly longer than the "2 second gap" some muppet pulls into it.

Sure. Try driving down I-95 on Thanksgiving. They won't even wait for a 2 second gap, if theres 6 inches between them, you, and the car and front of you, they'll hop in with no blinkers on. I almost expect it at this point from anything on my left or right. I've learned to just keep slowing down when it happens. Also regarding following distance: the 2 second rule is irrelevant if I can't see around some big SUV or truck and they have blocked out or tinted glass. I will fall well back from that hazard.

It's only the most dangerous when you're actually trying to close a distance or overtake someone. You'll be accelerating and thats when some moron tries to cut in front of you, inches to spare, while you're speeding up to them.

So no I just leave 2-3 seconds on the highway, anticipate the cuts, and tailgaters can all fcuk off. If I'm not in the overtaking lane I will take my foot off the gas and they can just get a fcuking hint. I'm not going to drive faster only because you want to kiss my ass: Go around.

coolbeans

Fcuking hell! This thread is a massive, massive failure. I could pick apart almost every single post but I couldn't be bothered because the baseline level of motorway knowhow is evidently so low I wouldn't know where to begin.

Hissing Sid

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive. They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

It's the RSA's failure as usual and here is the reason:

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license
Theory test - motorways not included
Full Driving test - motorways not included, sure you're not even allowed on until you pass

So there it is, the reason why Irish people don't know how to use motorways

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

thank you for your time

I do know how to drive on the M50, and many other motorways besides. It's quite obvious that you don't however. Please pm me and I'll arrange private tuition for you.

Berty

Frankly Im nearly 30 years old which gives me certain rights on the road.

(1) I have been driving longer
(2) I pay my motor tax
(3) I dont like other people

^^^^ basically means I can drive however I like and that IS the attitude of most people

(4) Important note: People are also fvcking stupid so assume that if they are in front they have the right of way.


Sarcasm of course

hybridmouse

coolbeans wrote: »

Fcuking hell! This thread is a massive, massive failure. I could pick apart almost every single post but I couldn't be bothered because the baseline level of motorway knowhow is evidently so low I wouldn't know where to begin.

I think my motorway knowhow is actually quite good. Once you follow the rules and have a bit of common sense and consideration for other drivers you're doing ok.

The problem is that motorway driving should be part of every driver's training before they get their licence, instead of expecting a driver who has just passed their test to wander onto the fastest roads in the country for the first time and know exactly what's what.

mikerowsopht

mikerowsopht wrote: »

Why can no one drive on the M50 ??
The answer is obvious but thought I'd ask none the less.

Do you :

1) Drive in the fast lane while doing the same speed as the person in the middle / slow lane

2) overtake at 1mph faster than the car in the middle / slow lane

3) Leave a massive Gap between you and the car in front, too big a gap

4) Simply stay in the fast lane while there is no traffic in front of you, yet a large tailback behind you and simply not care.

Any other motorway I've used abroad and including Northern Ireland everyone knows how to drive. They stay in the slow lane unless they have to overtake....

It's the RSA's failure as usual and here is the reason:

not allowed on motorway unless you have a full license
Theory test - motorways not included
Full Driving test - motorways not included, sure you're not even allowed on until you pass

So there it is, the reason why Irish people don't know how to use motorways

PS. Out of work at 5pm, if you are using the M50 please move into the middle lane so I can pass

thank you for your time

In other words, get out of his way while he speeds and breaks the law ! Good man...

Cookie_Monster

While OPs post is childish and wrong in a lot of cases he is correct to point out that basically nobody uses the M50 correctly; either because they don't know what they are doing or they've just given up hope cos no-one else knows what they are doing.

I honestly try and stay in lane 1 but to do this you either have to do only 70-80, undertake, or constantly move to lane three to overtake and back again. It gets tiresome

to be fair, the exits are too close together, it wouldnt be feasible to stay in lane 1 all the time, or as the previous poster said you would be weaving in and out all the time, doing 70 - 80 and trying to find gaps all the time, right pain in the arse....

I get the feeling that most people who are complaining about people in OT lane are those tossers who like to speed.....

Orando Broom

keithclancy wrote: »

Wish there was a thumbs down button ... how to drive on a motorway .. seriously ?

With the state of this forum it'll just turn into a bitchy mess of a thread

Can a mod change the title to 'I don't know how rto drive on a motorway.'

Agreed with the posters who are saying about the people who pull intot eh gap when you are trying to keep the '2 second rule'.

Passat drivers seems to taking over the mantle of BMW drivers in this regard!!

djimi

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I honestly try and stay in lane 1 but to do this you either have to do only 70-80, undertake, or constantly move to lane three to overtake and back again. It gets tiresome

Ill second this. The last few months Ive been making a massive effort to ensure I drive correctly on the motorway and dual carraigeway, but its incredibly difficult. It nearly impossible to drive at the speed limit in the left hand lane without having to cross two lanes to overtake the dickhead doing 20mph under the limit in the middle lane. Then you have the problem of being stuck in the left hand lane because both the middle and outside lanes are occupied by people going below the speed limit.

I dont condone undertaking, and I understand why it is not allowed, but my god I completely understand why it happens on such a regular basis...

Its never going to change until motorway driving and lane discipline is part of driving tuition and the driving test. If they ever get around to bringing in the manditory number of hours tuition then it would be easy to introduce motorway driving; simply say that after x number of hours of tuition a learner who is deemed compitant by the instructor is brought out onto the motorway to learn. Make it manditory that a learner cannot apply for their test until they have reached this stage in their development.

djimi

rockdrummer4 wrote: »

I get the feeling that most people who are complaining about people in OT lane are those tossers who like to speed.....

Or people who like to have the overtaking lane free for when they want to, oh I dont know, overtake a slower moving vehicle maybe...?

The speed someone is going is not relevant to you (Im not aiming this at just you btw); the fact that you might be driving at the speed limit does not give you the right to sit in the overtaking lane. If someone wants to pass you at a faster speed than you are going then they are looking to overtake you, and they have every right to use the overtaking lane to do so (provided of course they are not trying to wrongly bully you back into a line of slower moving traffic). The fact that they are breaking the speed limit is an entirely different matter and frankly none of your concern; unless you are overtaking a slower moving vehicle you should be in the left hand lane and only the left hand lane.