Condensing Oil boiler design - Grant & Firebird best?

scudo2

freeman2013 wrote: »

Thanks took some pressure off me

There 5 of us; me, my wife and 3 kids are about to move into the new house in 2-3 weeks time and i haven't got a monkey clue about the oil heating. never had it before. Kids are small and will stay at home all day after school so it looks like going to be burnt a lot of oil to keep it warm!? Any idea how much the oil cost to fill the tank? is there same type of oil or there are some other?

Some friends of me said oil will be very expensive to burn comparing to gas, is that true?

Kerosene oil.
Some oil Co. do a monthly payment plan.
Your good oil boiler is better than a lot of older gas ones so its 50/50 give or take a small bit.

Kerosene is about 87 cents a ltr at the moment I think.
Budget for €1.25 per hour but again that depends on how good the house is !

freeman2013

scudo2 wrote: »

Kerosene oil.
Some oil Co. do a monthly payment plan.
Your good oil boiler is better than a lot of older gas ones so its 50/50 give or take a small bit.

Kerosene is about 87 cents a ltr at the moment I think.
Budget for €1.25 per hour but again that depends on how good the house is !

Thanks for information, good to know..

€1.25 per hour - is that a minimum??

TPM

when it comes to the cost of heating a house the type of fuel is far less important than the insulation properties of the house, (insulation, windows and doors, draughts)

scudo2

TPM wrote: »

when it comes to the cost of heating a house the type of fuel is far less important than the insulation properties of the house, (insulation, windows and doors, draughts)

Totaly agree

But Freeman,
your boiler HAS to use kerosene in case you get mixed up.

TPM ment between gas and oil.

A lot of people order home heating oil for the first time not realising the could be asking for diesel instead of kerosene. And making a simple but common mistake.
Grant Vortex use kerosene only.
Always ask for kerosene when ordering, never take it for granted that the oil Co. know.

freeman2013

But Freeman,
your boiler HAS to use kerosene in case you get mixed up.

TPM ment between gas and oil.

A lot of people order home heating oil for the first time not realising the could be asking for diesel instead of kerosene. And making a simple but common mistake.
Grant Vortex use kerosene only.
Always ask for kerosene when ordering, never take it for granted that the oil Co. know.

Many Thanks scudo2 for your time and advice. I appreciate it.
Have a nice weekend!
In 2 - 3 weeks time i'm moving in, therefore I'll probably ask you for some more information regarding proper usage of that boiler

gertheplumber

hello all ,just to put the record straight as a plumber of 28 years experience it took a while for me to get used to the principle that a condensing boiler should work to the absolute limit of its output in order to achieve its efficiency rating i.e if the system requires 24kw of heat input a 30kw condensing boiler will not deliver any savings on running costs over a conventional boiler FACT contact any manufacturer and they will confirm this . For the most part we have had the tendency to over compensate when calculating the boiler size. in my opinion the best scenario is to put extra emphasis on insulating the living spaces and using low water and low thermal inertia heating systems coupled with an efficient heat producer.
FACT condensing boilers of any sort only achieve their efficiency rating when the return temp. is at least 20 c differential, this means that the boiler is perfectly matched with the demand requirement.Unfortunately this is only the case in a perfect scenario, in most cases plumbers [mea culpa]will err on the side of caution , which could mean you end up with a 35kw boiler instead of a 26kw boiler . apart from the cost of the boiler theres the additional running costs which over 20 years are considerable. I welcome any queries .

Wearb

gertheplumber wrote: »

hello all ,just to put the record straight as a plumber of 28 years experience it took a while for me to get used to the principle that a condensing boiler should work to the absolute limit of its output in order to achieve its efficiency rating i.e if the system requires 24kw of heat input a 30kw condensing boiler will not deliver any savings on running costs over a conventional boiler FACT contact any manufacturer and they will confirm this . For the most part we have had the tendency to over compensate when calculating the boiler size. in my opinion the best scenario is to put extra emphasis on insulating the living spaces and using low water and low thermal inertia heating systems coupled with an efficient heat producer.
FACT condensing boilers of any sort only achieve their efficiency rating when the return temp. is at least 20 c differential, this means that the boiler is perfectly matched with the demand requirement.Unfortunately this is only the case in a perfect scenario, in most cases plumbers [mea culpa]will err on the side of caution , which could mean you end up with a 35kw boiler instead of a 26kw boiler . apart from the cost of the boiler theres the additional running costs which over 20 years are considerable. I welcome any queries .

I don't think that you are going to get many queries. You show an enormous lack of understanding in the way a condensing boiler works in its totality. Where do you get off saying that "contact any manufacturer and they will confirm this". Rubbish. Your whole post shows that even after all your years of experience, you have only half grasped the workings of those boilers. I hope you are nearing retirement for the sake of any of your potential customers.

JohnnieK

That's a strange post!!

gertheplumber

Hey man who the he'll are you? Ive been to two boiler manufacturers facilities at their behest and Got
All the blurb as well as all the sales pitch from the competition . I can tell everyone who wants to be a little bit clued in as to what can be the best way to get the best long term benefits of a heating system as today ...not in a future fantasy world of perfect weather and affordable oil prices
listen to a pro , would you get a quote from an asshole on the interrupted?
.NOT LIKELY . So take a pin ch of salt folks

gertheplumber

Predictive text can be a problem some f times K

jimf

welcome back haven't seen you around here in a while

Dtp1979

gertheplumber wrote: »

hello all ,just to put the record straight as a plumber of 28 years experience it took a while for me to get used to the principle that a condensing boiler should work to the absolute limit of its output in order to achieve its efficiency rating i.e if the system requires 24kw of heat input a 30kw condensing boiler will not deliver any savings on running costs over a conventional boiler FACT contact any manufacturer and they will confirm this . For the most part we have had the tendency to over compensate when calculating the boiler size. in my opinion the best scenario is to put extra emphasis on insulating the living spaces and using low water and low thermal inertia heating systems coupled with an efficient heat producer.
FACT condensing boilers of any sort only achieve their efficiency rating when the return temp. is at least 20 c differential, this means that the boiler is perfectly matched with the demand requirement.Unfortunately this is only the case in a perfect scenario, in most cases plumbers [mea culpa]will err on the side of caution , which could mean you end up with a 35kw boiler instead of a 26kw boiler . apart from the cost of the boiler theres the additional running costs which over 20 years are considerable. I welcome any queries .

Well for a start, what kind of idiot plumber would oversize a condensing boiler??? Slightly undersize

scudo2

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POPCORN Time at last !!

Egass13

There's no such thing as a condensing boiler , that's what they want you to believe . It's all a smokescreen for the illuminati to exploit citizens and feed the corporate machine .

This makes as much sense as your post .

Egass13

Egass13 wrote: »

There's no such thing as a condensing boiler , that's what they want you to believe . It's all a smokescreen for the illuminati to exploit citizens and feed the corporate machine.

Wow and you've only been in Cork a couple of days.

Egass13

gary71 wrote: »

Wow and you've only been in Cork a couple of days.

They've changed me down here , they have these 'potato pies' . Unreal , they've completely opened my eyes.

Dtp1979

Wait till ya hear his new cork/dub accent

Egass13

Egass13 wrote: »

They've changed me down here , they have these 'potato pies' . Unreal , they've completely opened my eyes.

Your lucky, I'm not a fan, bloody plumber down their tried to murder me once, must be the London accent.

Bit like "Deliverance" without me having to squeal like a pig.

Robbie.G

gary71 wrote: »

Your lucky, I'm not a fan, bloody plumber down their tried to murder me once, must be the London accent.

Bit like "Deliverance" without me having to squeal like a pig.

You have that effect on people I thought it was just up my way good to know its everywhere you go :):)

Robbie.G

Robbie.G wrote: »

You have that effect on people I thought it was just up my way good to know its everywhere you go :):)

Yea, I know I can be a little bit annoying but trying to drown me at sea in a half blown up inflatable canoe while wearing a child's life vest in a storm was a bit uncalled for.