F*ck you PC gamers... :D

Tallon

We're finally equal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr-06RqRZ6c

This actually looks really good, I think i might get one.

At least do a review on it

Ideas?

gizmo

Do not like.

It offers its users an unfair advantage over other players using controllers and it's impossible to detect.
It still needs a PC.

He said "back in the PC days", so I don't like him either.

And no, it doesn't make you equal at all. :pac:

Grayditch

Haha. Touched a few PC nerves there, Tallon.

Fair play. Yeah I wouldn't mind giving this a spin.

Kiith

Welcome to the world of tomorrow ps3 users! :P

Tallon

Grayditch wrote: »

Haha. Touched a few PC nerves there, Tallon.

lol no, just thought the thread title would be entising

I'm a pretty avid PC gamer myself

eddhorse

I dont like this either, its a great idea especially for Killzone but it gives an unfair advantage.

o1s1n

eddhorse wrote: »

I dont like this either, its a great idea especially for Killzone but it gives an unfair advantage.

Unfair advantage because...a mouse is better and more accurate for FPS?

Then buy one and play all your ps3 FPS games the way they're meant to be played. I don't see the problem?

**Vai**

Bout bloody time. Ive been wanting to play MW2 online for free for ages. Now I can do it with grown up controls

Tallon

I played C&C with the mouse on PS1 (The official sony mouse) and always bet my brother who was using a joypad, back in the day

Is that really unfair?

Grayditch

It's not unfair at all. Everyone can buy these.

moonboy52

Pretty impressive i must say.

I am also an avid PC gamer and would not even think about playing a FPS online using a joypad.

If Sony and Microsoft ever make it official then it would make shelling out for new and expensive PC parts a much more difficult choice.

Having said that however, what keeps me playing PC games is the modding community.

Console's in my opinion will never allow mods.

PC's = Freedom

Console's = Sucking corporate c**k .

gizmo

Of course it's unfair, it's using a non-standard peripheral which gives you a clear advantage in-game against players who can't even tell if you're using it. At least in UT3 you were able to filter out games which allowed players to use the kb/m but with this it'll be impossible to tell.

AnCapaillMor

Remember getting my ass handed to me in UT3, plugging in the keyboard and mouse and wiping the floor with everyone.

ronkmonster

Mouse turning seemed a little slow. He kept picking it up and moving back to other side of mouse mat but that may be due to lower sensitivity.

Grayditch

Should even up the playing field for people playing on an Eircom connection.

Fair's fair!

Retr0gamer

Would the mouse speed still not be constrained to the maximum speed of the analogie stick anyway meaning you can't turn as fast as you like.

Any PS3 gamers, glad you caught up with us PC users. Welcome to FPS gaming circa 1993.

Anyway I thought mouse and keyboard was supported in Unreal Tournament 3 on the PS3. MS stupidly won't support mouse and keyboard play.

gizmo

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Anyway I thought mouse and keyboard was supported in Unreal Tournament 3 on the PS3. MS stupidly won't support mouse and keyboard play.

It was, as I said above though, you could filter out servers which enabled keyboard and mouse play. I'm assuming MS don't want to split the userbase like that.

Hellrazer

I really have to buy one of these.

Ive traded in so many Fps`s on the ps3 because Im so **** with the joypad.I have really tried to get used to the pad but I just cant play with the damn thing--Killzone,Bad Company 2,Modern Warfare 2 all traded after a week just because I cant hit anything using teh pad(Some would say I cant hit anything using a mouse+kb either )

Having a k/b & mouse might be unfair to peeps using the pad but so what.Also you know what--Sony could probably take a bigger slice of PC gaming if they supported kb/mouse in every first person shooter on the Ps3.


And Moonboys right--If it was supported in every fps I`d give up upgrading my pc every few years and concentrate on Ps3 gaming.Even having kb/mouse support would make clan gaming better on consoles.

Never going to happen though!!!!!!

Grayditch

Presumably you have a lot more control with this mouse set up and that would probably let you put the axis sensitivity up more than you usually would and that would maybe allow you to turn a lot quicker while maintaining control. One you go up to full sensitivity on console games with the analogue sticks, it just gets too wild.

Jet Black

What the difference between this and the xfps?

Tallon

Jet Black wrote: »

What the difference between this and the xfps?

This is for the PS3 Scratch that

http://www.xcm.cc

No differnece at all really.

In fact, would the XFPS not be better because you don't need a PC?

Jet Black

I was going to get a xfps 2 years ago but seen some of the tests and it said the accuracy was not the best and there was some lag.
I would like to try one out myself before wasting 50+ euro on it.

gizmo

Hellrazer wrote: »

Having a k/b & mouse might be unfair to peeps using the pad but so what.

A fantastic attitude to have. :rolleyes:

Hellrazer wrote: »

Also you know what--Sony could probably take a bigger slice of PC gaming if they supported kb/mouse in every first person shooter on the Ps3.

It's not up to Sony to decide which games support it, it's up to the developers who chose not to do it for these very reasons.

Hercule

I dont recall a "hey console gamers **** you" thread when xbox/PS controllers for PC were first sold - I wonder why? :pac:

gizmo

Hercule wrote: »

I dont recall a "hey console gamers **** you" thread when xbox/PS controllers for PC were first sold - I wonder why? :pac:

Of course not, those controllers don't give you an unfair advantage over the competition.

Hellrazer

gizmo wrote: »

A fantastic attitude to have. :rolleyes:

Didnt mean it like that Gizmo-Apologies for coming across that way.I meant it in the context that if kb/mouse support was available to everyone and I choose it over pad then so be it.

It's not up to Sony to decide which games support it, it's up to the developers who chose not to do it for these very reasons.

Cheers for that--I thought it was down to Sony and not individual developers to implement it.Surely it wouldnt be too hard to have the "option" of kb/mouse in every game??

CiaranC

These things never work, had one on xbox and it was ****e.

gizmo

Hellrazer wrote: »

Didnt mean it like that Gizmo-Apologies for coming across that way.I meant it in the context that if kb/mouse support was available to everyone and I choose it over pad then so be it.

Ah, no probs so!

In that case it's fine but as I said above, not giving people the ability to know if someone they're playing against is using this kind of device is totally unfair.

Hellrazer wrote: »

Cheers for that--I thought it was down to Sony and not individual developers to implement it.Surely it wouldnt be too hard to have the "option" of kb/mouse in every game??

The issue, from their perspective at least, is that allowing people using a keyboard/mouse and joypad to play together will be detrimental to the balancing of the game. Unreal Tournament 3 got around this by allowing people to filter out servers which allowed kb/m but doing that fractures your userbase and can lead to less games being available for everyone.

Varik

Hellrazer wrote: »

Cheers for that--I thought it was down to Sony and not individual developers to implement it.Surely it wouldnt be too hard to have the "option" of kb/mouse in every game??

Sony already made a decision and the ps3 does support KB/mouse, but if a Developer does not implemented it then it is cheating to use this.

Tallon

Just a question (for everyone), I use FPS Freeks.

Would you consider them cheating?

Grayditch

I better get one of these incase other people start using them. It's only fair.

gizmo

Tallon wrote: »

Just a question (for everyone), I use FPS Freeks.

Would you consider them cheating?

Cheating would only really apply in a competition environment, in which case you wouldn't be able to use them.

In terms of just general online gaming, I'd consider their use unfair. Other players have made the effort to get used to the controller therefore there's no reason you shouldn't be able to either.

Hellrazer

Varik wrote: »

Sony already made a decision and the ps3 does support KB/mouse, but if a Developer does not implemented it then it is cheating to use this.

Im not sure I`d consider it "cheating" as such maybe unfair if others dont know you are using it.

See my previous post.Im absolutely useless with a pad-even to the point of giving up Fps`s on the Ps3 and I doubt that even using a kb/mouse would give me any advantage over some of the players Ive seen using pads playing online.I reckon theres players using pads that are as good,if not better than players using kb/mouse.

Its more for me to actually enjoy the game which is something I cant do using a pad.Even if it was implemented as offline/single player only I`d be happy.Im a big FPS player,probably the only type of games I play on the PC but Im sick of constantly updating the pc ie. new graphics card,new cpu etc to keep up with the latest games and would really like to get into FPS gaming on the ps3 but I just cant with the pad.

Varik

Tallon wrote: »

Just a question (for everyone), I use FPS Freeks.

Would you consider them cheating?

No, as all they do is lengthen the analogue stick and while that could give a improvement to a person everything else that has happen or is currently happening to a person would have more of an effect.

Cunning Alias

Reminds me of when quake 3 dreamcast players could play against pc.

Myself and a mate jumped into a dreamcast server to mess with them, but ended up leaving as it was too shockingly bad. We just felt sorry for them:P

Dont most console FPS's have some sort of autoaim? If i remember right resistance didnt have any so it could make a massive difference. Always felt that those games were meant for a mouse.

Varik

Hellrazer wrote: »

Im not sure I`d consider it "cheating" as such maybe unfair if others dont know you are using it.

Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others.

—Synonyms
mislead, dupe, delude; gull, con; hoax, fool. Cheat, deceive, trick, victimize refer to the use of fraud or artifice deliberately to hoodwink or obtain an unfair advantage over someone.

Hellrazer wrote: »

See my previous post.Im absolutely useless with a pad-even to the point of giving up Fps`s on the Ps3 and I doubt that even using a kb/mouse would give me any advantage over some of the players Ive seen using pads playing online.I reckon theres players using pads that are as good,if not better than players using kb/mouse.

Its more for me to actually enjoy the game which is something I cant do using a pad.Even if it was implemented as offline/single player only I`d be happy.Im a big FPS player,probably the only type of games I play on the PC but Im sick of constantly updating the pc ie. new graphics card,new cpu etc to keep up with the latest games and would really like to get into FPS gaming on the ps3 but I just cant with the pad.

Anyone using it offline is fine as it does adversely affect anyone else, but in any competitive environment whether there are high or low stakes it does.
Giving yourself an advantage if fine but putting someone else at a disadvantage in not and is cheating.

If a sprinter take drugs, it doesn't make it ok if he was very slow to begin with.

twinsen

So what you are saying here is that the only device you can use for playing games on ps3 is dualshock? should we all not be playing on the same size tv then? should all pc players use just one mouse?

Retr0gamer

So let me get this straight. You need a PC to get this running. So you need a PC to play FPS games on yout PS3 with a keyboard and mouse. Why don't you just play FPS games on your PC?

Grumpypants

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So let me get this straight. You need a PC to get this running. So you need a PC to play FPS games on yout PS3 with a keyboard and mouse. Why don't you just play FPS games on your PC?

Might be that any kind of low powered PC will do, Like my PC which is a year old wont run MW2.

I'm not too pushed about it i only like the mouse for RTS games you need to point at. For shooters i like to have a trigger to pull.

**Vai**

Grumpypants wrote: »

Might be that any kind of low powered PC will do, Like my PC which is a year old wont run MW2.

I'm not too pushed about it i only like the mouse for RTS games you need to point at. For shooters i like to have a trigger to pull.

Or the fact that MW2 is free online for PS3 and not so free on PC.

And your pc is a year old and wont play MW2? U got ripped off my friend!

Tallon

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So let me get this straight. You need a PC to get this running. So you need a PC to play FPS games on yout PS3 with a keyboard and mouse. Why don't you just play FPS games on your PC?

friends on PSN ?

Grayditch

MAG, Killzone 2,3, Resistance 2, my friends list, trophies, unchanging hardware requirements would be all reasons I'd rather play FPS on PS3.

Grayditch

Haha, I've no idea why I even bothered with that one. It's so obvious why people do.

Grumpypants

**Vai** wrote: »

Or the fact that MW2 is free online for PS3 and not so free on PC.

And your pc is a year old and wont play MW2? U got ripped off my friend!

Not really it was only 180 eurobrand new.

Retr0gamer

Sounds like more effort than it's worth.

And MW2 is free online on the PC like everything else other than MMO's which a lot of are free as well.

Grayditch

Upgrading your PC all the time is effort.

brian plank

gizmo wrote: »

Of course not, those controllers don't give you an unfair advantage over the competition.

i can see how its an advantage but where are you getting unfair from when its available to everyone? are surround sound headsets unfair? are steering wheels unfair in driving games?

gizmo

brian plank wrote: »

i can see how its an advantage but where are you getting unfair from when its available to everyone? are surround sound headsets unfair? are steering wheels unfair in driving games?

It's unfair because there is no way you can choose not to play with people using them. As for surround sound headphones, I don't think they have as direct an influence on your play as a different controller does. The steering wheel issue is the same, if a wheel does give you an advantage (I'm not a big racing fan so couldn't really tell you) then players should be given the choice of who they want to play with online.

Varik

Problem #1:
As stated the mouse is far more sensitive and precise than an analogue stick.

Why this is a problem:
Eagle-Eye owners will have the ability to spin on a penny and blast us in the chin before we’ve unleashed a second burst of Famas fire.

Problem #2:
The Eagle-Eye features a turbo option for X, Triangle, Square, Circle, L1, L2, R1 and R2 buttons.

Why this is a problem:
rapid fire, look forward to all handguns on Modern Warfare 2 emptying clips faster than the Tar-21, and all shotguns offloading like the AA-12.

Problem #3:
The Eagle-Eye incorporates programmable Macro functions to turn any single key into a combination of moves.

Why this is a problem:
This will no doubt lead to the ability to perform sequences at the press of a button, such as prone / reload / stand or crouch / aim / shoot, for example and it will ruin any games that have complex move like fighting games.

Retr0gamer

Grayditch wrote: »

Upgrading your PC all the time is effort.

A 3 year old medium spec PC will play any game you throw at it with better graphics than a PS3 or 360. In fact my new PC is made from parts my friend scavenged from his three 3 year old PCs he was upgrading. Runs even the newest games. This upgrading BS is a myth.

Niska

Interesting...

From the way he's constantly lifting and re centering the mouse, I'd say it looks like it suffers from the same pros and cons that the FragFX does - mainly it's very accurate, and a vast improvement over the Analog stick, in fixed/sniping positions, but when moving and turning (see c4:24 in video) you need to constantly lift the mouse and recenter it. And that breaks the smoothness you're looking for in using a mouse.

Also, you don't need the PC when playing, you just need it to update the software on the adapter.