DoneDeal no-hunting/shooting policy - Read mod note #138

smokin ace

hi everyone done deal has lost the plot i placed an add to sell a ucaller handheld light on saturday evening but surprise surprise they removed my add and sent me an email saying the following

Hi,

My name is ***** ****** and I work for the website DoneDeal.ie. We have received a number of complaints from our users about your ad “Lamping Light” with specific reference to "Lamping". The ad implies that the item could be used for killing other animals.

Many of our users feel that this type of activity can be cruel to the prey, the dog, or both. Therefore we have decided to remove your ad in line with our terms & conditions:
http://help.donedeal.ie/info/dog-policy

As I am sure this was an honest mistake, I have set you up with a voucher to place a different ad on DoneDeal.

Please let me know if you have any questions.


All the best,
*****

i think its just mental that they would remove an add for someone selling a lamp and they are adds on the site selling lurchers saying the following

dogs would make good hare and rabbit dogs --killing all game --starting to hunt(hunting would be killing animals)--taken fox single handed--Good all round dog day or night. Doing it all--takes all legal game--dog taking all legal quarry day and night-- will take all game--has been used alot for drawing out of holes(drawing out of holes will make reference to killing badgers and foxes from a hole)

these adds make more reference to killing of animals because my add made no reference to killing of any animals as it would up to the buyer to decide what they do with the lamp am i over reaction over the whole thing what do you think

kildare.17hmr

Stick the ad up again and just leave out the word lamping, not a thing they can do then and anyone looking for it will know what it is.

PM me the details im looking for a good lamp:D

Grizzly 45

Nope...ICABS has been doing a campaign against anyone allowing anything remotely connected with fieldsports to advertise in Dondeal.ie.
donedeal is going the way of Ebay and paypal..If it is shooting related,they wont advertise it.:(

jap gt

i think its about time people start boycotting the site, they have done it to me in the past and others here, i think we should all email them and voice our opinions, could they not set up a section for hunting, even ebay sell lamps etc, i se maceoin in dingle have ads on every day advertising lamps etc

smokin ace

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Stick the ad up again and just leave out the word lamping, not a thing they can do then and anyone looking for it will know what it is.

PM me the details im looking for a good lamp:D

lucky enough i was only after coming home after selling the lamp when they removed the add :D
but the point is there are adds saying about dogs clearly killing animals and they removed an add when someone is selling a lamp i think thats mad

kildare.17hmr

I know its been mentione before but what if someone wrote a letter to donedeal and everyone signed it? surely there are alot more people involved in fieldsports that there are antis? petition at the ploughing championships maybe and send that in too?

kildare.17hmr

smokin ace wrote: »

lucky enough i was only after coming home after selling the lamp when they removed the add :D
but the point is there are adds saying about dogs clearly killing animals and they removed an add when someone is selling a lamp i think thats mad

ah well maybe next time:D

Keep an eye on them ads i doubt they will be there long

smokin ace

i sent them an email saying the following

thank you for your concern about the add but i would like to start off by saying that i think this is totally unfair when i am only just selling a lamp as many lurcher whippet and greyhounds are used for hunting and killing of animals and thats a fact and they are many adds selling these there are adds that say all of the following statements that would suggest the killing of animals
dogs would make good hare and rabbit dogs --killing all game --starting to hunt(hunting would be killing animals)--taken fox single handed--Good all round dog day or night. Doing it all--takes all legal game--dog taking all legal quarry day and night-- will take all game--has been used alot for drawing out of holes(drawing out of holes will make reference to killing badgers and foxes from a hole)
the add i placed for my lamp made no reference to killing of animals at all its up to the buyer of the lamp to decide what he or she dose with it
you removed my add because you said you got complaints about my add but i dont think this was the case
so i am now making a complaint to you about all the adds that make reference to hunting and killing game or any of the statements that i pointed out above
i dont expect you to reply to this email as it points out things that you want to turn a blind eye to going on in adds just incase you might loose money from them
regards


i wonder will i get a reply

jap gt

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

I know its been mentione before but what if someone wrote a letter to donedeal and everyone signed it? surely there are alot more people involved in fieldsports that there are antis? petition at the ploughing championships maybe and send that in too?

or even better start your own website, where hunters can advertise what they want when they want with out anti eejits dictating where we can advertise, if people stop advertising working dogs on the site they wont be long reconsidering

kildare.17hmr

smokin ace wrote: »

i sent them an email saying the following

thank you for your concern about the add but i would like to start off by saying that i think this is totally unfair when i am only just selling a lamp as many lurcher whippet and greyhounds are used for hunting and killing of animals and thats a fact and they are many adds selling these there are adds that say all of the following statements that would suggest the killing of animals
dogs would make good hare and rabbit dogs --killing all game --starting to hunt(hunting would be killing animals)--taken fox single handed--Good all round dog day or night. Doing it all--takes all legal game--dog taking all legal quarry day and night-- will take all game--has been used alot for drawing out of holes(drawing out of holes will make reference to killing badgers and foxes from a hole)
the add i placed for my lamp made no reference to killing of animals at all its up to the buyer of the lamp to decide what he or she dose with it
you removed my add because you said you got complaints about my add but i dont think this was the case
so i am now making a complaint to you about all the adds that make reference to hunting and killing game or any of the statements that i pointed out above
i dont expect you to reply to this email as it points out things that you want to turn a blind eye to going on in adds just incase you might loose money from them
regards


i wonder will i get a reply

I understand your pissed off, i would be too but tbh i think all you'v done with that e-mail is put another complaint in with reference to hunting

smokin ace

jap gt wrote: »

or even better start your own website, where hunters can advertise what they want when they want with out anti eejits dictating where we can advertise, if people stop advertising working dogs on the site they wont be long reconsidering

that would not be a bad idea at all about setting up a website but like you said would anti hunting eejits look for every excuse to get the site closed down if a lad advertised a dog lets say is marked up a bit from working or put down they were killing foxes thats all it would take to get the site closed

smokin ace

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

I understand your pissed off, i would be too but tbh i think all you'v done with that e-mail is put another complaint in with reference to hunting

very very true but i was fuming mad when i seen they had removed the add on such stupid grounds

jap gt

smokin ace wrote: »

that would not be a bad idea at all about setting up a website but like you said would anti hunting eejits look for every excuse to get the site closed down if a lad advertised a dog lets say is marked up a bit from working or put down they were killing foxes thats all it would take to get the site closed

i guess antis cant do much once nothing illeagal would be advertised

kildare.17hmr

jap gt wrote: »

i guess antis cant do much once nothing illeagal would be advertised

Your dead right, all they can do is complain, which obviously worked with donedeal.

jap gt

smokin ace wrote: »

very very true but i was fuming mad when i seen they had removed the add on such stupid grounds

at least you sold the lamp and it cost you nothing

smokin ace

jap gt wrote: »

at least you sold the lamp and it cost you nothing

another very true point i never thought of that

DonnaDoneDeal

Hi,

Sorry that this has caused concern guys, but our terms and conditions state that we do not allow ads that mention "Lamping, Killing, and Digging" and therefore the ad was removed after we received complaints from other customers.

This is a very difficult topic for us to monitor, we appreciate that it is just a light, but we are also trying to protect the welfare of animals and are doing our best to keep everyone happy.....as you can imagine, that's not an easy task!

Any ads on our site that raise concerns for you, please report them to support@donedeal.ie and we will investigate them. Thanks guys.

BUACHAILL

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry that this has caused concern guys, but our terms and conditions state that we do not allow ads that mention "Lamping, Killing, and Digging" and therefore the ad was removed after we received complaints from other customers.

This is a very difficult topic for us to monitor, we appreciate that it is just a light, but we are also trying to protect the welfare of animals and are doing our best to keep everyone happy.....as you can imagine, that's not an easy task!

Any ads on our site that raise concerns for you, please report them to support@donedeal.ie and we will investigate them. Thanks guys.

Fair play for the reply

I think what Donedeal and most anti's must also realise that hunters in general are only trying to protect the welfare of deer and other animals also !! You say Killing we say Culling.

I think best thing donedeal could do is understand something properly before you make a decision like this !!

kildare.17hmr

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry that this has caused concern guys, but our terms and conditions state that we do not allow ads that mention "Lamping, Killing, and Digging" and therefore the ad was removed after we received complaints from other customers.

This is a very difficult topic for us to monitor, we appreciate that it is just a light, but we are also trying to protect the welfare of animals and are doing our best to keep everyone happy.....as you can imagine, that's not an easy task!

Any ads on our site that raise concerns for you, please report them to support@donedeal.ie and we will investigate them. Thanks guys.

There is an ongoing campaign by an anti huntin organisation to complain about these ads on your website. You say they are customers but i would think most of the people who complain only go to your website to look for these types of ads and are in fact not customers at all

smokin ace

hi donna thanks for the email reply but i think your website is dictated to much by anti hunting people complaining and as far as i know and i am open to correction lamping is not illegal

Section 45 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000 amends Section 38 of the 1976 Act which applied to the use of lamps, mirrors, dazzling equipment etc., for the purposes of hunting. Section 38 of the '76 Act was substituted by this completely new Section. The amendment states that it will be illegal for any person to hunt any protected wild animal or protected wild bird while using a lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial dazzling device. Also prohibited are any devices for illuminating, image intensifying or heat seeking, night sights, or any device which the Minister may declare as coming within this category.

so if lamping is not against the law why is certain adds not looked upon favourably on the done deal website to be honest i think you are bowing to pressure from anti hunting folk but hunting legally is a way of life for so many people and shame on done deal for making us hunting folk feel like we are doing something wrong or breaking the law in some way

J.R.

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry that this has caused concern guys, but our terms and conditions state that we do not allow ads that mention "Lamping, Killing, and Digging" and therefore the ad was removed after we received complaints from other customers.

This is a very difficult topic for us to monitor, we appreciate that it is just a light, but we are also trying to protect the welfare of animals and are doing our best to keep everyone happy.....as you can imagine, that's not an easy task!

Any ads on our site that raise concerns for you, please report them to support@donedeal.ie and we will investigate them. Thanks guys.

I can understand that it's difficult to please everybody but it's also unfair to allow one sector of society to dictate their views and ideas on others and deciding what can & can't be sold on the site.....especialy when ads are advertising something legal which is not breaking any law.

Groups of 'animal lovers' who released mink from farms caused untold, ongoing, damage to wildlife by their 'good intentioned' actions.

Cars, jeeps, trucks, buses, vans & agricultural machinery account for many road casualties for wildlife (granted not intentionally)....often resulting is a slow painful death from such injuries.....perhaps all of these ads should also be removed & banned from the site in the interest of animal welfare!!!

Vegeta

Hey Donna,

I know your policy is probably already set in stone but are you guys aware that the number of people who hunt is much greater than the number who are anti hunting campaigners.

If you need proof of that, look up the number of people who campaign for RISE.

If it is your intention to exclude this portion of the market well then that's fair enough but it seems odd that the site would take a political stance like that.

I bought my last car through your site but cant see myself ever using it again or recommending it if your policy continues.

As other posters have pointed out lamping is not illegal. Such an odd decision you seem to have taken. 18 dogs were put down everyday in 2009 yet you allow the sale of pet dogs. You have taken an anti hunting stance but support a trade which is famously cruel.

I sincerely hope you change your mind and realise that hunters are a greater market opportunity than the antis.

kildare.17hmr

Ill 2nd what Vegeta has said about not using donedeal and recomending it, i use it on a weekly basis for work to sell cars and have done for ages. so there is two actual customers lost, not just people who used your site to complain

johngalway

I won't be using DoneDeal either until your policy changes.

I'm a farmer and a hunter. Many, many farmers use your site, a lot of those have registered firearms. Those same farmers have pest and predation problems. Those problems are caused by rats, rabbits and foxes.

Rats are a threat to food stored on farm destined for animal or human consumption. They can be removed in many ways, one of which is lamping.

Rabbits are a major pest in some areas, they destroy crops if numbers are left unchecked, they present problems to cattle and horses by digging burrows and to those two animals plus sheep by competing from grass. One of the ways they can be controlled is by lamping.

Foxes can cause major problems in sheep areas, also for poultry producers. Lamping is one of the most effective methods of removing problem foxes.

Lamping, whether using shotgun, rifle or dogs such as lurchers is a perfectly acceptable, and legal, method of pest control.

If you continue to have this policy, one influenced by a minority of misguided people, I will continue not to use your site and neither will I recommend it to other farmers. In fact, any opportunity available to me I will mention this to other farmers, those potential customers of yours who I lamp for. I will instead direct them to other sales sites which don't have such a ridiculous policy in force.

I sincerely doubt the antis will be buying the agricultural items for sale on your site.

You're entitled to have your policy, but you've not considered your market in my opinion.

Grizzly 45

Hi Donna,
I would also like to know will it also be donedeal.ie future policy to also under pressure from "other customers" to remove all adverts relating to rifles,shotguns,gunsafes[we already had one discussed here appx 14 days ago]airguns, archery equipment,catapults,cammo clothing,natural fur coats,pelts, knives of the legal variety,fishing tackle,netting,food preparation equipment,horses and related?

As all this kind of stuff your "other customers" could and wil eventually take umbrage with??As this is not really related to animal welfare rather a destruction of a lifestyle choice by covert and overt means.
If it is donedeals policy to exclude in the future any of the above.I,and I think appx 100,000 others in the fieldsports organisations will boycott donedeal.ie.Not just on fieldsport adverts,but on every other kind of advert too relating to daily life...

I would suggest you look at how much busisness Paypal.com and Ebay.com loose every year through their anti gun trading policy.Seeing that both have a HQ in Ireland it shouldnt be too difficult to obtain that info??There is an active campain against Ebay and paypal by gun owners both in the US and EU who will absolutely NOT deal with anyone with either accounts. I will also point out that your competitors here are still only too happy to take our adverts and money and give the same service and coverage..

Finally may I point out that while our 4legged friends are not inanimate objects,and are proably sentinent beings.They really dont have much choice in how they are brought up or used by us ,supposedly superior apes:rolleyes:.IOW just because the dog is a pitbull,doesnt mean it will be a voracious killer willing to rip the throat out of the next innocent.As we say in the shooting world "guns dont kill,people kill people". A good guideline for you would be the dog is innocent,it is the owner who might misuse it in a legal or illegal act here ...
Donedeal would have gained more respect by simply stating that it is not responsible for the use or MISuse of ANY product advertised ,and that all animal adverts suggesting misuse of animals in illegal activities such as dog fighting,badger baiting will be removed.Rather than fold up to the whims of a total minority of irish society and their militant extremists.

sincierly
Grizzly 45.

tfox

So what sites are recommended now as an alternative for us hunting folk...?

lofty95

has anybody actually read there terms and conditions i think there is actually some anti, head honcho in that company. It seems they are banding badger bating in with other legal forms of dog use.

Grizzly 45

www.buyandsell.ie, www.exchangeand mart.co.uk,

Wasnt there an Irish version of www.guntrader.co.uk ?? Remember seeing it advertised in Birr Game and country show abt two years ago

jap gt

http://irishguntrader.openseason.ie/

Sparks

First off, well done to Donna for posting in here. Many wouldn't. I would recommend you email hello@boards.ie and let them know you're an official representative of DoneDeal though, just to avoid confusion.

That said, the policy makes no sense to me. I don't mean from the point of view of any particular ideology; frankly, it's your website and you pay the bills and if you decide you don't want to allow ads like this, that's just more market share for boards.ie and adverts.ie to mop up.

The reason it makes no sense to me is that there are maybe 5-10 active members of ICABS; there are around 300,000 people involved in fieldsports in Ireland. I won't say the business case is a no-brainer, but it's hard to see how even a very brief cost/benefit analysis could say anything other than that dropping 300,000 paying customers during a recession to support the ideology of 5-10 nonpaying protesters is not a very profitable business plan.

cavan shooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

www.buyandsell.ie, www.exchangeand mart.co.uk,

Wasnt there an Irish version of www.guntrader.co.uk ?? Remember seeing it advertised in Birr Game and country show abt two years ago

Lads,
Dont want to be a spoil sport here but will someone check the policies on Buy ands sell.:o

jap gt

how many people have emailed them, i think anyone with a problem with their policies should do so, it will be much clearer to them when they get the emails what business they have lost

smokin ace

wow this topic has hit a raw nerve with the hunting folk here and thanks for the support on this issue i have been in contact with a done deal representative through emails and i have come to the conclusion that done deal is totally anti-country sports as they cant give me a proper reason for taking down my add for the lamping light

they tried to tell me lamping was against the law but i have sent them a copy of the legal law position from the NARGC website in relation to lamping and it clearly states that its not illegal to lamp foxes or rabbits and i asked them to reconsider there policy on lamping equipment seen as its not against the law for to lamp

personally i think done deal is a fantastic site and i hope maybe they will review some of there poilcys on hunting equipment

jap gt

i think grizzlys point above really sums it up, if they ban a lamp they have to go right across the board and ban everything used in hunting including horses which seem to be a big attraction on the site, i have emailed them asking if they are removing hunting gear are all the things grizzly pointed out being banned too, if they get enough pressure they will change their minds hopefully

4gun

they will have to prohibit the exchange of cats for one, while they make a fine pet their primary function in the domicile is to kill and deter small rodents, :rolleyes:
and the hypocracy of them one of their main benefactors is maceoin in Dingle which sells traps and snares, gun safes, lamps and the whole kit and kaboodle
I use their site on occasion and will e mail my discontent to them after work tomorrow... its about all that can be done
I'm sure there are more pro hunters than anti's using Done deal

DonnaDoneDeal

Hi again.......

Right, I have to be honest, I do get every single one of the points made here....you seriously cant imagine the debates that have gone in our office over this, seriously we have actually spent hours on several occasions trying to come up with the best solution for all involved. I can gaurantee that the voice of farmers that are trying to protect their stock (and I use this as just an example that I personally have raised myself during these discussions) has NOT been ignored.

I myself am a born and reared and bloody proud country girl, reared on farms and know that stock has to be protected. We all at DoneDeal genuinely understand that it is not all about what some customers believe it to be but I cant deny that there has been requests from both sides of the debate that we are trying to fairly address.

We as a company are trying to remain neutral, understand where all parties are coming from and create policies to reflect that. Unfortunately, some 'bad apples' that do engage in the pure torture of animals have forced us to clamp down on the use of certain phrases or items being sold on our site.

We are constantly trying to update our policies to come to some sort of happy medium and will continue to do so. Please feel free to contact us or me at any time with suggestions or comments at support@donedeal.ie or pm me here if you'd like. I honestly cant express enough how we actually do recognise the points that you are making and believe me, the opposers of all hunting aren't too happy with us either. We are now trying, and will continue to try to be as fair and neutral as possible so that our customers are best looked after.

I'd also like to say on a lighter note.....thanks for not running me outta here quick smart....really appreciated you guys listening to me

jap gt

Again nice to see you keeping a eye on what your customers want, i understand you wanting to stay neutral and some people will abuse the site, but removing a lamp and in another case a rifle scope is a bit extreme, you mention that donedeal dont want to take sides but to me ye are totally one sided, i fail to see why donedeal has policies that stop people pursuing their legal field sports. and as mentioned above how is it that maceoin are in breach your policies and advertising traps, snares, lamps etc.

thanks for your reply

lefthooker

I know where your coming from smokin ace, I had a scope removed not too long ago. And as right placed as they feel their actions are their justifications are just preposterous & baffling.
Revenue is the 1 thing that will influence donedeal's stance, AutoTrader is nearly extinct since the arrival of DoneDeal.co.uk. Nothing speaks louder than when the coffers stop jingling.
Anyway were DoneDeal to reverse their decision would you feel comfortable dealing with them when they disregard such a large portion of their customers with such ease.

PS note that they have changed from .ie to .co.uk now.

DonnaDoneDeal

lefthooker wrote: »

I know where your coming from smokin ace, I had a scope removed not too long ago. And as right placed as they feel their actions are their justifications are just preposterous & baffling.
Revenue is the 1 thing that will influence donedeal's stance, AutoTrader is nearly extinct since the arrival of DoneDeal.co.uk. Nothing speaks louder than when the coffers stop jingling.
Anyway were DoneDeal to reverse their decision would you feel comfortable dealing with them when they disregard such a large portion of their customers with such ease.

PS note that they have changed from .ie to .co.uk now.

We haven't?? We are .co.uk for users in the North of Ireland and include sterling prices on that and remain .ie in the south of Ireland.

The rifle and scope debate actually stemmed from certain customers placing firearms that were far from legal under any circumstances and after a long battle to stop this abuse of the site, also certain complications in the fact that proof of license etc, are not something that we could police, we do not allow any firearm or related item on the site. It's not the ideal, I can certainly appreciate that....but again, we are trying to find the happy medium.....it's just a very difficult place to find it seems.

DonnaDoneDeal

I'd actually just like to say....thank you for all this information....I can bring this to our meetings and so that all your views are put forward so I really appreciate that!

jap gt

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

I'd actually just like to say....thank you for all this information....I can bring this to our meetings and so that all your views are put forward so I really appreciate that!

hopefully some changes will come from that meeting, i think most people here use your site and if changes where made will continue to do so, i for one use it for my part time business but wont continue to do so with the current situation

Sparks

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

certain complications in the fact that proof of license etc, are not something that we could police

A solution which allows you to still charge for advertising would be to allow the sale of firearms but through the escrow agency of a registered firearms dealer, as we recommend everyone to do when selling firearms here (though we recommend it for reasons of personal security).
It really isn't the case that it's impossible to do; we've been doing it for several years now.

DonnaDoneDeal

Sparks wrote: »

A solution which allows you to still charge for advertising would be to allow the sale of firearms but through the escrow agency of a registered firearms dealer, as we recommend everyone to do when selling firearms here (though we recommend it for reasons of personal security).
It really isn't the case that it's impossible to do; we've been doing it for several years now.

Can you email me some more info on that please??? At least then I'll have all the information when I bring it up. If you send it to support@donedeal.ie but for the attention of Donna I'll get it.

I guess my whole point is that we are trying, and we are taking all points on board. I dont know what the outcome will be, but I can gaurauntee that all your views will be heard with an open mind and be very welcome imput.

Sparks

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

Can you email me some more info on that please??? At least then I'll have all the information when I bring it up. If you send it to support@donedeal.ie but for the attention of Donna I'll get it.

No need, it's set out in the for sale/wanted forum charter:

1. Firearms Sales
Any firearms or components of firearms (ie anything that requires a licence or Garda Authorisation) must be sold via a registered firearms dealer. When posting these items for sale here you should have:

Quote:
Make/Model
Description
Asking price
Details of Firearms Dealer being used
Any other relevant info

We also maintain a non-exhaustive list of firearms dealers on the wiki page here, and a full list would be available from the Department of Justice, I suspect.

Another advantage, by the way, is that a firearms dealer as an escrow agent is about the most efficient way to ensure that the proper paperwork is obtained and that legal liability to your site is minimised or eliminated altogether.

I guess my whole point is that we are trying, and we are taking all points on board. I dont know what the outcome will be, but I can gaurauntee that all your views will be heard with an open mind and be very welcome imput.

Well, if it means you guys earn more money and the community here regains a service they value, I think that it's a win-win scenario.

lefthooker

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

We haven't?? We are .co.uk for users in the North of Ireland and include sterling prices on that and remain .ie in the south of Ireland.

Well Donna my experience is when I type donedeal.ie into the browser the page that opens is "buy and sell anything in Northern Ireland." And in the history section the page is listed as donedeal.co.uk. Maybe its just me

Grizzly 45

Hi Donna,
Thanks for coming back to us...
However,can I just point out one oddity here in your post?You say Dondeal is trying to be fair to both sides and be neutral?
On the anti side of things you have conceeded to remove any adverts regarding dogs used for illegal purposes,despite the fact that digging in certain circumstances is still legal,and sending dogs down a den after a fox to drive it out into a line of guns is still legal here as well.
Be that as it may,your justification is a blanket policy,which could be understandable as there could be certain bad eggs who would use your service for illegal purposes.
HOWEVER,shooting and hunting and all the revelant equipment including lights,irrespective of what its potential is for misuse.Is conceeding more ground to the antis and on very dubious and spurious grounds that most of us here would find hard to belive.
So thats TWO points you have given to the Antis.
Now may I ask what has Donedeal censored against the Antis???Or better still how could Donedeal censor a minority if they were to sell or advertise somthing??Are you going to refuse an advert from a humane society as they might possibly be a front for a radical animal rights terror group??

You have unfortunatly fallen into the corporate trap in Donedeal.ie of anything for a quiet life and no hassle please.IOW emotional blackmail with unspecified veiled potential threats.Which is a form of industrial sabotage and terrorism.If one minority group of radicals can do this ,now anyone can dictate your policy.Whats to stop the anti 4X4 brigade now starting a letter campaign to you to stop you aiding people selling Global warming"gas guzzlers"?? Or the militants against water sports having a go about advertising jet skis???
You have now left the door open for every crank,nutjob ,and ego tripper to decide what can or cant be sold on your site.
May I respectfully suggest that Donedeal review its policy now on this and concede most of us ligit fieldsporters will be quite happy to accept the dog wording .But banning the adverts of shooting and fishing equipment is a bridge too far in fairness??And that maybe when people like ICABS write in with their emotional blackmail aagenda the best thing to do is just hit DELETE on the computor,circular file their written stuff and issue a policy of if it is legal to own with or without restrictions under the law of the land ,purchase and use people can sell whatever the Hell they want here??and that we are not responsible for misuse of any items here advertised or sold??It is called having principles and sound busisness sense.Not to mind some spine in a politically correct world gone mad.300K potential customers Vs 30 plus Emailing radical cranks???
Seems a no brainer to me.

sincerely Grizzly45


Later,Ok lots of points coverd in previous posts.Please ignore already coverd points,as I cant type as fast as some around here

DonnaDoneDeal

lefthooker wrote: »

Well Donna my experience is when I type donedeal.ie into the browser the page that opens is "buy and sell anything in Northern Ireland." And in the history section the page is listed as donedeal.co.uk. Maybe its just me

But you're in wexford?????? I'll say it to Declan in the morning and see what he says (techie guy).

DonnaDoneDeal

Sparks wrote: »

No need, it's set out in the for sale/wanted forum charter:


We also maintain a non-exhaustive list of firearms dealers on the wiki page here, and a full list would be available from the Department of Justice, I suspect.

Another advantage, by the way, is that a firearms dealer as an escrow agent is about the most efficient way to ensure that the proper paperwork is obtained and that legal liability to your site is minimised or eliminated altogether.

Well, if it means you guys earn more money and the community here regains a service they value, I think that it's a win-win scenario.

Thanks for this, will look into it more and say it to the rest of the lads.

DonnaDoneDeal

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Hi Donna,
Thanks for coming back to us...
However,can I just point out one oddity here in your post?You say Dondeal is trying to be fair to both sides and be neutral?
On the anti side of things you have conceeded to remove any adverts regarding dogs used for illegal purposes,despite the fact that digging in certain circumstances is still legal,and sending dogs down a den after a fox to drive it out into a line of guns is still legal here as well.
Be that as it may,your justification is a blanket policy,which could be understandable as there could be certain bad eggs who would use your service for illegal purposes.
HOWEVER,shooting and hunting and all the revelant equipment including lights,irrespective of what its potential is for misuse.Is conceeding more ground to the antis and on very dubious and spurious grounds that most of us here would find hard to belive.
So thats TWO points you have given to the Antis.
Now may I ask what has Donedeal censored against the Antis???Or better still how could Donedeal censor a minority if they were to sell or advertise somthing??Are you going to refuse an advert from a humane society as they might possibly be a front for a radical animal rights terror group??

You have unfortunatly fallen into the corporate trap in Donedeal.ie of anything for a quiet life and no hassle please.IOW emotional blackmail with unspecified veiled potential threats.Which is a form of industrial sabotage and terrorism.If one minority group of radicals can do this ,now anyone can dictate your policy.Whats to stop the anti 4X4 brigade now starting a letter campaign to you to stop you aiding people selling Global warming"gas guzzlers"?? Or the militants against water sports having a go about advertising jet skis???
You have now left the door open for every crank,nutjob ,and ego tripper to decide what can or cant be sold on your site.
May I respectfully suggest that Donedeal review its policy now on this and concede most of us ligit fieldsporters will be quite happy to accept the dog wording .But banning the adverts of shooting and fishing equipment is a bridge too far in fairness??And that maybe when people like ICABS write in with their emotional blackmail aagenda the best thing to do is just hit DELETE on the computor,circular file their written stuff and issue a policy of if it is legal to own with or without restrictions under the law of the land ,purchase and use people can sell whatever the Hell they want here??and that we are not responsible for misuse of any items here advertised or sold??It is called having principles and sound busisness sense.Not to mind some spine in a politically correct world gone mad.300K potential customers Vs 30 plus Emailing radical cranks???
Seems a no brainer to me.

sincerely Grizzly45


Later,Ok lots of points coverd in previous posts.Please ignore already coverd points,as I cant type as fast as some around here

The unfortunate thing is both sides of the argument are not happy, both sides of the argument have valid points and although you may not see it, we have no more given to one side or the other.

I will bring all these points to the rest of the team and will continue to voice any points that you guys raise.

One final admission.....one thing we are NOT is corporate.....spend ten minutes with us and you would see that a mile off lol! It's not about corporate, or siding with one view over another, we are genuinely trying to keep the site as fair to everyone as possible, but unfortunately, it is not possible to please all of the people all of the time. I do know this.....but I will bloody well try lol!!!

BUACHAILL

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

The unfortunate thing is both sides of the argument are not happy, both sides of the argument have valid points and although you may not see it, we have no more given to one side or the other.

I will bring all these points to the rest of the team and will continue to voice any points that you guys raise.

One final admission.....one thing we are NOT is corporate.....spend ten minutes with us and you would see that a mile off lol! It's not about corporate, or siding with one view over another, we are genuinely trying to keep the site as fair to everyone as possible, but unfortunately, it is not possible to please all of the people all of the time. I do know this.....but I will bloody well try lol!!!

Donna I appreciate your points on this but can you simply explain just one thing in all this. anti or not why can people not sell things which are legally accepted ?? I mean not all people agree with cars as they harm the environment but yet if they asked to delete all the cars on the site you would laugh !! Please explain what is different in this case ? yet if someone came on and said I am selling a robbed car you would delete it and rightly so but the outcome of legalised equipment is that you remove it, why ? its legal to own, use and sell ? what is the argument seriously ? by removing these as you are you are saying everyone is abusing these sports by killing animals yet like it or not it is very much legal and a part of society so I really dont buy your argument that you remain neutral !!

By remaining neutral your response to anti people would be that these items are legal and in everyday use, until such time that you donedeal have proof of abuse there is simply nothing wrong with the add but if you thought for one second abuse was being carried out common sense would prevail and add be removed, I honestly do not think anyone could argue with this response !!

Just for the record I put on average 20 adds a week through Donedeal, that stops now until this idiotic mentality remains and thats not a punch at you personally.

Sparks

DonnaDoneDeal wrote: »

The unfortunate thing is both sides of the argument are not happy, both sides of the argument have valid points

To be honest, the two ideologies aren't really factors in any sound business decision. It boils down to a cost/benefit analysis. Personally, I think it's a fairly simply analysis at that, but in the end, much as I like your spirit of engaging with your customers, it doesn't really matter which way the decision goes, except to donedeal.ie. Folks selling firearms and other such items will use whomever provides the service; if that's not donedeal.ie, it'll just be another site.