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Building your own guitar

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Da GOAT


    Sorry links fixed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭dochara


    Here's my K Lulu which I finished in 2006:
    klulu.jpg
    Body: carved from an old alder tree which was knocked in a storm close to my home
    Neck: Ibanez maple neck with rosewood board ~ headstock adapted with fretsaw
    Tuners: Schaller chrome
    Front pick-up: Seymour Duncan Jazz
    Back pick-up: Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck
    Control knobs: Rickenbacker
    Neck-plate: Jackson 4-bolt
    Bridge: Gotoh hardtail through-body
    Switches and sockets: Various


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭damonjewel


    This guy in germany has a wider range of kits

    http://stores.ebay.ie/ML-Factory-Gitarrenshop_Gitarren-Bausatze_W0QQ_fsubZ15833480QQ_sidZ65910970QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

    I haven't done a kit yet but there seems to be a bit of extra work on them, e.g. Headstock needs to be finished, paintwork, and on some of these kits the boltholes for fixing the neck and body are not in place. Still they look like good fun. Personally I'd get a finished body and neck and load it with your own hardware to give it a more professional finish (decent pickups, tuners, bridge, controls etc). Or get a cheap guitar and do it up.

    Dochara that Guitar is fantastic looking!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭dochara


    damonjewel wrote: »
    Dochara that Guitar is fantastic looking!

    Thanks Damon ~ the project went on for years though. I kept coming back to it.

    It's more fun carving your own body but it's vital that you get the neck pocket routed by a craftsman. A local bespoke carpenter/joiner (and guitarist!) routed my neck-pocket for me. After that, it's plain sailing.

    The body is a hybrid of a Vox Teardrop and a PRS.

    Here are some photos which I took during the project. I will add some more over the next few days.

    guitarmontage01s.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭damonjewel


    One question I have is how did you finish it, spraypaint?

    Also how is the SD jeff beck pick up working out?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭dochara


    I finished it with three coats of red wood dye (sponged on) and 7 coats of polyurethane spray varnish.

    The Jeff Beck is a loud, bluesy pick-up with a cutting edge - I love it. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭rusty999


    dochara wrote: »
    Here's my K Lulu which I finished in 2006:
    klulu.jpg
    Body: carved from an old alder tree which was knocked in a storm close to my home
    Neck: Ibanez maple neck with rosewood board ~ headstock adapted with fretsaw
    Tuners: Schaller chrome
    Front pick-up: Seymour Duncan Jazz
    Back pick-up: Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck
    Control knobs: Rickenbacker
    Neck-plate: Jackson 4-bolt
    Bridge: Gotoh hardtail through-body
    Switches and sockets: Various

    How long did you have to wait for the wood from the tree to dry out ?
    Thanks
    Rusty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eoin5


    dochara wrote: »
    Here's my K Lulu which I finished in 2006:
    klulu.jpg
    Body: carved from an old alder tree which was knocked in a storm close to my home
    Neck: Ibanez maple neck with rosewood board ~ headstock adapted with fretsaw
    Tuners: Schaller chrome
    Front pick-up: Seymour Duncan Jazz
    Back pick-up: Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck
    Control knobs: Rickenbacker
    Neck-plate: Jackson 4-bolt
    Bridge: Gotoh hardtail through-body
    Switches and sockets: Various

    Lovely stuff!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Da GOAT


    sweet guitar man, id love to build something. strat, tele or even archtop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    If I was going to buy a kit, I would go through Ed Roman in Las Vegas. He's a very interesting guy who has big issues with most of the corporate guitar manufacturers. Having worked in the industry for many years his site is worth a look.

    http://www.edroman.com/parts/kits.htm

    He are some of his kits. Consider the exchange rate at the moment, and you could do quite well for yourself.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Bjorn Bored.


    there is a huge difference between actually building your own guitar from scratch,and buying these kits,which are essentially really just assembly jobs,one takes awhole lot of skills,the other a trained monkey can do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭68 lost souls


    If I was going to buy a kit, I would go through Ed Roman in Las Vegas. He's a very interesting guy who has big issues with most of the corporate guitar manufacturers. Having worked in the industry for many years his site is worth a look.

    http://www.edroman.com/parts/kits.htm

    He are some of his kits. Consider the exchange rate at the moment, and you could do quite well for yourself.

    I have only ever bad reviews about ed roman online, basicly everything I have read has put me off buying there. Apparnatly the shop itself is quiet nice though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Altoid


    If you really want the experience of building your own guitar, but have no idea where to start or any of the tools you need that have a look at :

    http://www.baileyguitars.co.uk/

    In the build your own section.

    Mark Bailey runs courses on building all types of guitars from standard bolt on neck electrics to set neck to neck-through to accoustics as well.

    I built a bass with him a few years back and you go from picking out the wood all the way through to finishing it off. and you do do it all yourself.

    He helps you with every detail and he is a perfectionist, you will end up with a really great guitar.

    On top of that I had a great time staying there while we built them!

    - Altoid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭-Blanco-


    if you're interested in a tele or similar have a look at

    http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-home-depot/

    I bought one of those ebay kits (from the OP's post) and it turned out grand. It sounds much better then I expected anyway. As said previously it is just an assembly job with some simple soldering. A good place to start if you're new to building.
    I found getting a good quality finish was a major pain and quite time consuming, especially as I don't have much finishing knowledge or don't have the right tools. The neck holes lined up fine but I ended up buying a different neck with a maple fretboard.

    I actually ended up assembling another guitar with the neck I hadn't used when I couldn't sell it for a reasonable price. Got a body and full electrics really cheap on ebay. The neck holes didn't line up with the body at all and I had to shape the headstock so there was more work involved. So if you end up buying parts from different sources keep that in mind.

    But anyway, it's good fun I'd recommend giving it a go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭legologic


    I build my own from scratch and let me tell you there's nothing like the feeling. If you go the scratch or the kit route though there's a few good (and a handfull of great) books on the subject I might suggest. The two best books I've read were "Build your own electric guitar" by melvyn Hiscock and "Making an Archtop Guitar" by Bob Benedetto.

    Benedetto's book, though about archtops has lots of great tips thatare across the board just great. Benedetto himslef is imo one of the best archtop builders in the world. The melvyn Hiscock book is guide that will take you through every step from design to parts to woodworking right up to finishing. It's very thorough and invaluable.

    Finally I'd also suggest checking out stewmac.com and lmii.com I think you can order stewmac's catalogue on the website. It's a good idea to get one just to look through and see what tools or parts you may need that you havent thought of.

    Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭FruscianteFan


    Some great advice there leologic!

    Get the stewmac catalogue and sign up for their trade secrets newsletter. Even if you arent going to build a guitar they are still a good read!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    I'm about 75% of the way there on a tele build. I bought the neck from guitarfetish.com but cut the body myself from a slab of wood I got from www.irishwoods.com. They advised me to start with sycamore for my first, and when I've learnt from that to graduate to a more expensive wood. I intend finishing mine with Danish Oil. I have tested it on scraps and it gives a really nice finish, like the stock of a shotgun, not mad shiny but smooth to the touch. I have enough sycamore for five bodies, and I have a slab of beech big enough for seven bodies drying out in a shed. If you are thinking of getting into this, get your wood and let it be seasoning and curing, it takes a year per inch of thickness.

    Unless you have a jointer and a planer-thicknesser its easier to use a full-width piece, but that means you will have to find a saw mill to cut it that big for you. I have a few sources ifr anybody is interested.
    I got all my pickups, bridge, pots, knobs etc from guitarfetish. Here's a dry-assembly pic. The bits of masking tape are just marking centres of the parts for alignment:

    dry_fit.jpg

    I used a LP-type switch just because I preferred it. The headstock has to be shipped oversize because of trademark infringement issues. It can easily enough be reshaped to something more recognisable. I'll make my own neck in time, this will do to begin with. I will be looking for broken antique furniture to get slips of rosewood etc.

    It would be good if we had some contact between Irish builders to share tips and info re suppliers etc. I post on tdpri as well.

    JC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    I've pretty much finished building my first tele now, here's a pic:

    PB020293.JPG

    It plays well and sounds pretty good, particularly the bridge pickup. the neck p/u isn't as powerful but makes an acceptable soft acoustic sound. The pickups are tele vintage style from guitarfetish.com, next time I'll use something different just to try something else. The finish is Danish Oil, I like it and it feels nice:

    PB020295.JPG

    This board is very quiet - any chance of perking it up a bit?

    JC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭damonjewel


    Really nice job, Is there any chance you can show the back of the guitar, I'd be interested to see what back plates you used to cover your wiring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 blackmoustache


    Recently built (assembled) a Tele with parts off eBay and Warmoth.

    Fender neck, MIM body, tuners and bridge, All Parts electronics and Warmoth hardware, then stuck a pair of Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounds in it.

    Made a gorgeous looking guitar, (I'll stick a pic up soon), but still having a few issues regarding wiring (mainly due to my inexperience with a soldering iron) and getting different brand parts to fit together (some boring and sanding required).

    Still, it was something I've always wanted to do, even if it did work out a little more expensive than a MIM Tele, but I've now got something a lot more personal to me and I've learned a heck of a lot in the process. It sounds great, (dodgy wiring aside), and I'm slowly working on the playability which is coming along. Gonna get it set up by a tec soon to finish the job off.

    Next up a homemade Strat!!! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    No problem showing the back, I just made a cover from an offcut of the same material. You can see the LP switch turned sideways which meant I had to widen the chamber at that point. I marked all my earths (grounds on US sites) green and yellow and all the lives are marked red, because by the time it goes worng I'll have forgotten. I made the cover just by eye but it is a tight push fit and doesn't need screws to stay in place. The whole thing is shielded with sticky copper tape and the capacitors came from maplin.

    PB020303.JPG

    The g-string ferrule is half a millimetre off line, unfortunately.

    I'm in West Limerick, if anybody needs a hand with soldering and electric matters etc I'd be pleased to help.

    JC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    The G-string is ALWAYS a tricky little bastard ;)
    Looks really nice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    Thanks for the obs, all. If anybody wants a slab of wood to start a build, try Terry Goggin at www.irishchainsawmills.com he is based near Cork and he is very obliging. However, since his timber is freshly sawn, you will have to store it properly and let it season and dry out fully before you can use it, which could take approximately a year.

    I would like to get a bit of dry spalted wood, proobably beech or ash, to attempt a guitar like this but in a tele or Les Paul Junior shape and with single coils:

    Spal.-explorer4-gro%DF.JPG

    Note - that isn't my guitar, I'm just linking to the image.

    JC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭shofukan


    Anywhere near Dublin (I don't drive...) for buying wood?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    seanor3 wrote: »
    Anywhere near Dublin (I don't drive...) for buying wood?

    I am expecting some ash this week, and I also have some sycamore. I'll be in D4 on buiz on Tuesday of next week, maybe we can organise something?

    JC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    I started to build another tele at the weekend. I am using the blank on the left here, which is sycamore sawn from the plank behind it:

    tele_bodies6.jpg

    the blamk on the right successfully became my first tele. As you can see, this present one is much browner, therefore I am expecting a different look when it is finished. I haven't bought any hardware for it yet, but I'm thinking of different pickups, a traditional three-saddle bridge (which i might even make myself), maybe a blend pot, and on the visual side, a leather pickguard, a wiped dye tobacco-burst type of finish, an arm relief cut and a belly cut. The aim is to try a few new things, and do an all over better job where possible.

    First improvement was to fit a wider base to one of my routers, this is just an offcut of laminate flooring:

    PB060289.JPG

    Next get set up with the Terry Downs template on 12 mm MDF attached to the blank with countersunk screws through the neck pocket area and in the area under the bridge:

    PB060291.JPG

    And start the routing:

    PB060292.JPG

    That cutter is very good, it leaves a clean cut and doesn't burn the wood. The end-grain on this body blank is already much smoother than it was on the first one. Notice how the wide base easily keeps the router well supported as well as plumb and square to the work. To do this you have to screw the template down, you can't have G-cramps obstructing the bigger base. To be continued...

    JC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭damonjewel


    seanor3 wrote: »
    Anywhere near Dublin (I don't drive...) for buying wood?

    I was given these details by Frusciantefan for a supplier he used; I haven't got round to checking them out yet.

    DH Timber in Santry (01) 8483037


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    Does anybody here know of a source in Ireland of water-based aniline wood dyes? I want to try a tobacco-burst finish on an ash telecaster, using wiped dyes and either tung oil or Danish oil.

    JC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Banjo


    seanor3 wrote: »
    Anywhere near Dublin (I don't drive...) for buying wood?

    Just picked up some finished Sapele (he mentioned it was "Sapele Mahogany" but I thought they were different trees?) for the neck of my first Cigar Box Guitar attempt from a chap out in Celbridge, Gaffney's Woodworkers (01 6288697). If you take the 67/67A and get off at the first bus stop after you come off the main street* you're right outside his front door. I know nothing about wood but the piece I got was straight as an arrow, knot free, a lovely reddish brown colour and 5 quid, so I'm not complaining :)

    *if you're unfamiliar with Celbridge, after the bus goes over the bridge it'll turn right. There are two stops on the main street, then it turns left - hit the button there and you should be fine. Although I haven't been on the bus for ages so if you end up in Maynooth or Narnia don't come crying to me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eoin5


    Banjo wrote: »
    Just picked up some finished Sapele (he mentioned it was "Sapele Mahogany" but I thought they were different trees?) for the neck of my first Cigar Box Guitar attempt from a chap out in Celbridge, Gaffney's Woodworkers (01 6288697). If you take the 67/67A and get off at the first bus stop after you come off the main street* you're right outside his front door. I know nothing about wood but the piece I got was straight as an arrow, knot free, a lovely reddish brown colour and 5 quid, so I'm not complaining :)

    *if you're unfamiliar with Celbridge, after the bus goes over the bridge it'll turn right. There are two stops on the main street, then it turns left - hit the button there and you should be fine. Although I haven't been on the bus for ages so if you end up in Maynooth or Narnia don't come crying to me.

    I get stuff off him, top chap


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