Murder in Arden View??

Storminateacup

Goddamn. 11am this morning?!

http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/Man-fatally-injured-in-Tullamore.6540445.jp

Dusty87

Storminateacup wrote: »

Goddamn. 11am this morning?!

http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/Man-fatally-injured-in-Tullamore.6540445.jp

Very litle known so far. http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-dies-after-tullamore-stabbing-474337.html

Im not surprized TBH. Was bound to happen to someone sooner than later.
Prayers are with is family

Quazzie

Killed with a pitchfork and all speculation is surrounding a crowd from Arden View and a seperate crowd from the halting site beside the train station. The hospital and most shops were allegedly advised by Gardai to keep their doors locked because they wouldn't be safe outside.

All of this was reported back from someone that works over there and I can't stand by the legitimacy of anything thats above.

All I can say is that my thoughts are with the family of the deceased.

Cherrycola

Just heard on Midlands103 that around 100 people turned up at the hospital!! :eek: Obviously to do with the injured party being treated there.

What the hell is going on in the town lately, shootings, stabbings, bloody hell! :mad:

I was out doing the school run, and there is a huge garda presence around the town. We normally shortcut through Arden View, but the end near Dolans shop is cordoned off, across from the green near the community centre.

Quazzie

Cherrycola wrote: »

What the hell is going on in the town lately, shootings, stabbings, bloody hell! :mad:

For a town that seems to peaceful (if you forget danger bay* on a Saturday night) it sure is getting a name for some serious attacks

Cherrycola wrote: »

I was out doing the school run, and there is a huge garda presence around the town. We normally shortcut through Arden View, but the end near Dolans shop is cordoned off, across from the green near the community centre.

I've heard reports of armed and unmarked cops all over the town. Its bizarre.


*Danger bay = Supermacs

ILA

Quazzie wrote: »

I've heard reports of armed and unmarked cops all over the town. Its bizarre.

Not that bizarre. There have been a number of armed checkpoints across Laois/Offaly in previous months.

Anyone know the reason for this stabbing? Drugs? Ethnic feuds?

Quazzie

Some kind of stand off between two crowds (I won't call them gangs as people might think the wrong thing) where one crowd originated in the halting site and another in Arden.

offaly1

The town i grew up in,is certainly not the same town anymore! After been away the weekend and coming back to this..:( not nice

wobbles-grogan

It was only a matter of time that this happened, sadly, as tullamore has been tough since my harrier days.
I dont go out there anymore as a result of it...

Back on topic.
Does anyone know if the person who died is from arden view or the halting site?

God help the family and friends anyway...

ILA

Quazzie wrote: »

Some kind of stand off between two crowds (I won't call them gangs as people might think the wrong thing) where one crowd originated in the halting site and another in Arden.

Usual so I suppose. Funnily enough, a man had his throat cut in Port Laoise on Saturday afternoon. Hardly related, but it just shows how violence is escalating.

ILA

Just spotted this now:

A man died in hospital in Co Offaly today after he was stabbed during an altercation involving up to 10 people.

Three men were arrested after gardaí were called to the incident on the Arden View housing estate in Tullamore, shortly after 11am.

The victim, a man in his 20s, was rushed to Tullamore General Hospital, where he died a short time later.

The men are being detained at Tullamore Garda Station under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act. A garda spokesman said investigations were continuing.

The suspects are believed to be living on a halting site in the town. It is understood the row was not part of any ongoing feud among families.

Councillor Brendan Killeavy, a Sinn Féin member of Tullamore Town Council, said the dead man was from a quiet family and his killing has left the community in shock.

“They are a very very quiet family and are well respected in Arden View and well liked,” he said.

“They have never given a bit of trouble and keep themselves to themselves. This has come completely out of the blue. We’re shocked and devastated.

“It’s a sad day for Tullamore and for his family.” Extra gardaí have been drafted in to the midlands town, where the atmosphere is said to be tense.

Mr Killeavy called on the community to support gardaí to make sure there are no other incidents.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0920/breaking25.html

Antisocialnerd

yeah i saw four guards at the halting site as i came home from work their were keeping watch i presume in case of retaliation it won't be the last murder in tullamore i expect another quite soon.

Storminateacup

there was a gun shot at the hospital

ILA

Gardai are supposed to be out in force, I saw an unmarked Mondeo leaving Port Laoise this evening heading in the direction of Tullamore so I'd say their resources are likely to be concentrated there throughout the night and following days.

magentas

Victim has been named as 28yr old Derek McDonagh
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0920/tullamore.html

Sounds like it's gonna be a tense night in Tullamore, huge garda presence, retaliations are expected

Very sad to hear this. When I read story this morning I was expecting to hear that it happened last night (drink fuelled violence or something) but it was 10am and sounds like it was maybe premeditated?

Scary stuff

Storminateacup

Listening to the news tonight it said that the victim was on the way back from feeding horses that they had on land behind arden view, when another family of travellers attacked the jeep, armed with weapons.

It is very sad, they said he had one child and his wife is heavily pregnant. One family left for Galway but the other family is still in town.

At accident and emergency tonight with a friend, and there was 2 guards standing outside the doors.

Feel very sad for the family.

LizT

Very sad. We passed the hospital at around 12ish. There was a Garda directing traffic and questioning everyone who was turning in to the hospital. Parked up at the top of the town to get some milk, saw a unmarked car and garda car go screaming past. A friend in Marian Place said the whole town is covered in Gardai.

Scary stuff.

PaulieG

Storminateacup wrote: »

there was a gun shot at the hospital

That rumour spread like wildfire today but it never happened.

Storminateacup

That guys family are actually really nice people. I don't think they've ever been in trouble.

LizT

Storminateacup wrote: »

That guys family are actually really nice people. I don't think they've ever been in trouble.

It's horrible for the family. Don't know them but no doubt there will be countless rumours about what happened, it's hard enough to lose a member of your family and these circumstances just make it worse.

My thoughts are with them.

magentas

Storminateacup wrote: »

Listening to the news tonight it said that the victim was on the way back from feeding horses that they had on land behind arden view, when another family of travellers attacked the jeep, armed with weapons.

It is very sad, they said he had one child and his wife is heavily pregnant. One family left for Galway but the other family is still in town.

At accident and emergency tonight with a friend, and there was 2 guards standing outside the doors.

Feel very sad for the family.

What do you mean one family left for Galway...is that where they're from?

Rang home there and my brother said it had something to do with horses in a field???

Poor family must be going through hell, so sad that a man is taken from his wife and kids like that. Word is that he was a decent fella

Storminateacup

It said on RTE news tonight that one of the families left tullamore for galway but the situation was still "tense".

I didn't know the guy who was killed, but I know his dad and one of his sisters, and his dad is an absolute gentleman.

Apparently his wife is heavily pregnant too. Heres hoping she'll be okay.

ILA

I hope those responsible are suffer for this. They should be put away for a good stretch.

mike kelly

something must have happened to provoke this?

LizT

mike kelly wrote: »

something must have happened to provoke this?

Read today that it is not an ongoing feud but "arose out of something simple".

Terrible that this was the result.

DM_7

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0921/1224279367715.html?via=rel

GARDAÍ ARE preparing to prevent any further violence between feuding factions in the midlands after a man was stabbed to death and armed gardaí had to be drafted in to prevent the opposing factions from fighting in a local hospital.

The man killed yesterday has been named locally as Derek McDonagh (28), a married father of one. Mr McDonagh, whose wife is heavily pregnant with the couple’s second child, was fatally stabbed at the Arden View estate in Tullamore town, Co Offaly, where he lived.

A member of the Travelling community, his killing is being linked by gardaí to tensions between rival Traveller factions in Tullamore.

The Irish Times understands Mr McDonagh was one of five people who had a violent dispute with the occupants of a pick-up truck at Arden View at about 11am yesterday. Mr McDonagh was fatally stabbed in the row, during which pickaxes and shovels were used.

Gardaí believe three men, two from a halting site close to Tullamore train station and one from Galway, had gone to check on horses that were grazing on land close to Arden View.

The pick-up vehicle the three were travelling in went through Arden View after the occupants had tended to the horses.

A violent disturbance, witnessed by a large number of local residents, ensued as an armed group from Arden View came into conflict with those in the vehicle. It appears the row concerned the fact the three men in the vehicle were grazing their horses in the Arden View area.

Supt John Moloney of Tullamore Garda station said there had been a few minor incidents between the parties in the lead up to the fatal attack. He said the McDonagh family had caused no problems for gardaí in the area. “The McDonagh family never caused us bother over the years here. They are here for years,” he said.

The man believed to have fatally stabbed Mr McDonagh was wounded during the incident and was taken for treatment to the same hospital as his victim was.

This led to two rival factions, one aligned to Mr McDonagh and one to his alleged killer, gathering at the hospital, some armed with implements.

The Garda’s armed regional support unit was drafted into the hospital to ensure the rival factions were kept apart.

The scene of the killing at Arden View was sealed off yesterday and underwent an examination by members of the Garda Technical Bureau.

A number of shops and other businesses in the area closed for several hours.

The Irish Times understands the family of the murder suspect yesterday left Tullamore for Tuam, Co Galway, in an effort to defuse tensions.

Gardaí investigating the murder have arrested three men. They are being detained at Tullamore Garda station under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act.

A number of weapons including pickaxes, shovels and a knife which is believed to be the murder weapon have been recovered.

The Irish Times also had this on the breaking news part of the site tonight

A man has been charged with the murder of a father of one who was stabbed outside his parents’ home yesterday morning.
Richard Donovan (22) of the Unofficial Halting Site, Kilcruttin, Tullamore appeared before a special sitting of Tullamore District Court tonight.

Det Sgt John Walsh said that when charged at 5.02pm today, Donovan replied “I’m sorry for what I done.”

Donovan sat between two gardaí during the hearing which lasted just minutes. He did not raise his head or speak.

No bail application was made and he was granted legal aid. He will appear at Cloverhill District Court on Friday.

There was a crowd of several dozen people gathered outside the courthouse grounds, mostly in a car park and park across from the building where the hearing took place. There was a significant garda presence.

Derek McDonagh of Callery St, Tullamore was visiting his parents Anthony and Teresa at their home when the altercation which gardaí say involved up to ten men took place in broad daylight just yards from a busy primary school.

One of ten children, he died shortly after being taken to hospital with stab wounds sustained in the assault which happened at around 11am. His wife Kathleen is expecting their second child.

A mobile home was set on fire in the Kilcruttin halting site just hours after Mr McDonagh’s death.

A post mortem was carried out by State Pathologist Marie Cassidy yesterday evening and the body was released to Mr McDonagh’s family tonight.

His removal will take place tomorrow.

Two other men who were in custody since the incident were released without charge and files have been sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

mike kelly

Arden View seems to be a nice place - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdsY0YOB8Q

magentas

mike kelly wrote: »

Arden View seems to be a nice place - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdsY0YOB8Q

Hardly appropiate yeah it has a reputation but from news reports the man murdered didn't even live there and the travellers that had horses in area were from Tuam

Anyway whoever recorded this obviously done so for effect and was part of everything going on, it's not a third party observation so it's hardly a realistic representation of the estate

A man has died and left a wife and 2kids try to have some tact

LizT

mike kelly wrote: »

Arden View seems to be a nice place - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdsY0YOB8Q

Considering half those clips are not even filmed in Ardan, this seems irrelevant.

ILA

As usual the ordinary decent residents of the area are the losers. The Indo has a good hacket job of a story which bears little relevance other than to paint the place as some kind of Southill or Moyross.

THE Tullamore housing estate where Derek McDonagh was killed has been the scene of a number of violent incidents.

In April, a shot was fired through the bedroom window of a house in Arden View, one of a series of attacks around the area at the time.
The violence prompted gardai to step up patrols and operate a number of armed checkpoints.

At one stage the chairman of Tullamore Town Council threatened to evict trouble-making families following three separate gun attacks in the town in a nine day period.

In June of last year, residents had to be evacuated from their homes when a suspicious device was found in the housing estate.
The Defence Forces defused the viable device.
Highly violent scenes from the estate have been recorded and posted on YouTube.

Teenagers are seen beating each other up in fist fights, one of which involves a male repeatedly hitting another juvenile while he lies on the ground.

Cars are also filmed speeding in green areas, while there are also videos of cars burning, windows being smashed, and gardai arriving on the scene.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/housing-estate-has-history-of-violent-incidents-2347715.html

Cherrycola

That Indo report would be laughable if it wasnt such a crock of sh1t! :mad:

I have two very good friends from Arden View, and you could not meet nicer guys! Never in the time ive known them have either of them been involved in any sort of trouble or fist fights, burning cars and the like. There families are respectable hard working people, their houses are immaculate inside and out.
I walk through Arden View everyday on my walk, ive never seen anything close to what that video depicts. :mad:
I went to school in St Josephs, as did most people from the Arden end of town, and while the estate did have a bit of a reputation back then(for nothing more than schoolboy pranks really) there was never real violence or trouble.
Ive never felt unsafe in the estate.

I feel really sorry for the residents there now, who have worked hard over the years to improve the estate and its reputation, which had worked, and now this happens and they are straight back to square one.
God help anyone trying to sell a house in there now, and there are a few.

ILA

I know a man who grew up in Arden, he's a hardworking decent guy. It's just a pity that some want to portray the area as a slum when its clearly not the truth. I'm sure there are bad eggs, but the media chooses to ignore the huge amount of good work put into the estate.

Everytime something happens, they're always quick to brand an estate as this or that, while ignoring the real issues which lead to these events.

Dusty87

Well in fairness guys, it or chancery arnt the most desired estates in town.
Being honest like. Everywhere has nice people, even Moyross. Before people jump down my neck, i have a very good friend in Arden View, a neighbour who used to live there and an old work collegue. The 3 of them absolute gents. Just because i know a nice person in there dosnt mean its a beautiful place. I also know of addicts and rough cnuts from there. Its wrong for them to make it out like Moyross or something but lets face it, its no beverly hills either. Its not called Arden Zoo for all the cute animals running around.
Its a shame the rep its gotten and i do feel sorry for the ordinary hardworking people from there.

Storminateacup

Yeah, plus 1 on what Dusty said.

It isn't a nice place. No matter how many decent people live there, it isn't a nice place because of the few bad eggs who gives it its bad name.

Cherrycola

Ah yeah, i think we're all aware of what the estate is like, but to make out that the place is awash with asbo-types causing trouble 24/7 is a bit of an exaggeration to say the least.

To be honest, it had a better rep over the last few years than some other estates that i wont mention.....not too far from Tesco! :P

Cherrycola

Storminateacup wrote: »

Yeah, plus 1 on what Dusty said.

It isn't a nice place. No matter how many decent people live there, it isn't a nice place because of the few bad eggs who gives it its bad name.

That was a quick edit......:D

mike kelly

Cherrycola wrote: »

That Indo report would be laughable if it wasnt such a crock of sh1t! :mad:

I have two very good friends from Arden View, and you could not meet nicer guys! Never in the time ive known them have either of them been involved in any sort of trouble or fist fights, burning cars and the like. There families are respectable hard working people, their houses are immaculate inside and out.
I walk through Arden View everyday on my walk, ive never seen anything close to what that video depicts. :mad:
I went to school in St Josephs, as did most people from the Arden end of town, and while the estate did have a bit of a reputation back then(for nothing more than schoolboy pranks really) there was never real violence or trouble.
Ive never felt unsafe in the estate.

I feel really sorry for the residents there now, who have worked hard over the years to improve the estate and its reputation, which had worked, and now this happens and they are straight back to square one.
God help anyone trying to sell a house in there now, and there are a few.

you've never seen any trouble so it must be fine...are you female by any chance?

Dusty87

A few from Arden were involved in the estate near tesco too. I presume your talking about Chancery


@storminamug, i seen your post before ya edited;) +1

Cherrycola

mike kelly wrote: »

you've never seen any trouble so it must be fine...are you female by any chance?

Whats that got to do with it?

Ive spent a lot of time in Arden View over the years, worked in the shop down there too back in the day, nights too, halloween, school holidays, and never saw anything like was described in that report.

To make out like the WHOLE estate is a no go area, with junkies shooting up outside the school, and drive by shootings is the biggest pile of crap ive ever heard! And disrespectful to the 90% decent people living there.

mike kelly

Cherrycola wrote: »

Whats that got to do with it?

Ive spent a lot of time in Arden View over the years, worked in the shop down there too back in the day, nights too, halloween, school holidays, and never saw anything like was described in that report.

To make out like the WHOLE estate is a no go area, with junkies shooting up outside the school, and drive by shootings is the biggest pile of crap ive ever heard! And disrespectful to the 90% decent people living there.

I knew it! that's women for you

Cherrycola

mike kelly wrote: »

I knew it! that's women for you

If anything dont you think a woman would be the first person to feel unsafe in a dodgy area of town? So how about you contribute something of value to the debate, rather than a stupid " Wimmin dont know nuttin, yeah" :rolleyes:

Dusty87

Cherrycola wrote: »

To make out like the WHOLE estate is a no go area, with junkies shooting up outside the school, and drive by shootings is the biggest pile of crap ive ever heard! And disrespectful to the 90% decent people living there.

Not sure about shooting up but the younger crowd defo drink there and smoke weed. Used for that for a long time.

mike kelly

Cherrycola wrote: »

dont you think a woman would be the first person to feel unsafe in a dodgy area of town?

no, I don't

Cherrycola

That used to happen in the bike shed at the SHS too, and im sure its happening in Arden Vale, Droim Liath, Carraig Cluain, Eiscir etc etc.

Storminateacup

Wasn't the shop in Arden View closed down because they kept robbing it??

Cherrycola

mike kelly wrote: »

no, I don't

Fair enough, your opinion, i have mine, which thankfully i can put into words, rather than one line retorts. :rolleyes:

Cherrycola

Storminateacup wrote: »

Wasn't the shop in Arden View closed down because they kept robbing it??

Probably more to do with the crowd that took if over and had no business experience in that field.

Dusty87

Cherrycola wrote: »

That used to happen in the bike shed at the SHS too, and im sure its happening in Arden Vale, Droim Liath, Carraig Cluain, Eiscir etc etc.

Ya forgot the pitches at the brothers. Usually that though was a few of the harmless harrier crowd.
I have to agree with mike about lad thing though. Although i was never a girl. Im sure a few girls have gotten a happy slapping, i just know of lads though

charlieIRL

Cherrycola wrote: »

with junkies shooting up outside the school, .

wasn't there a few thousand euros worth of cannibas found in the school grounds a few years ago.

i work in tullamore and have worked on a few projects close to ardan "zoo" and the few rotten eggs make sure the whole area keeps its name and reputation. They are still a nightmare around the place.

Dusty87

Cherrycola wrote: »

Probably more to do with the crowd that took if over and had no business experience in that field.

What field? Security cameras and safes

Cherrycola

Dusty87 wrote: »

Ya forgot the pitches at the brothers. Usually that though was a few of the harmless harrier crowd.
I have to agree with mike about lad thing though. Although i was never a girl. Im sure a few girls have gotten a happy slapping, i just know of lads though

Ive got brothers, and as ive already said, friends down there, and they wouldnt be big hard men either that people would stay away from, they just never let themselves get involved in that sort of behaviour.

Maybe its only outsiders they happy slap?! :P The ones from the posh side of town who probably need a good slap!