Corporal Punishment at school.

Run_to_da_hills

Anyone brought up during the 60's and early 70's would have experienced the leather or a slap from a ruler. We had one teacher in Dalkey National who would grab you by the ear and bring you up to the top of the class. Just reading here how a teacher got 90 days jail for doing just that and has since resigned.

How things have changed.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/society/17-09-2010/114980-teacher-0/

paddyland

I remember a teacher in the mid eighties who would do just that, grab you by the ear and twist it, an excruciating experience. But not just that, he would lift you up in the air by said twisted ear, and you would climb onto your seat, and then onto the desk, with him still lifting you by the ear...!

Aglomerado

Our old parish priest used to pull the ears of boys from the local estate, he was an insufferable snob and dared not touch the wealthy farming families who might put more in the collection plate on Sunday. Corporal punishment was banned at that time but he seemed to be exempt!

kelle

I remember a teacher twisting my ear that was badly infected after being pierced and I screamed the place down, then the b**tard called me a "crybaby"! And because I couldn't remember the answer to one question. As if that would make me remember.

There were a few children who were bullies, but he never punished them.

I know a lot of older people say schools are a lot more unsettled since corporal punishment was abolished, but the wrong kids were punished.

Bottle_of_Smoke

kelle wrote: »

I remember a teacher twisting my ear that was badly infected after being pierced and I screamed the place down, then the b**tard called me a "crybaby"! And because I couldn't remember the answer to one question. As if that would make me remember.

There were a few children who were bullies, but he never punished them.

I know a lot of older people say schools are a lot more unsettled since corporal punishment was abolished, but the wrong kids were punished.

Think you're right but I wish there was a happy medium. When I was in school (leaving cert 2003) people disrupting the class drove me mad and many teachers couldn't command respect.

Maybe a shock button or a pellet gun would be appropriate. Something needs to change what's a teacher to do nowadays when a pupil won't stop misbehaving and the principal says the teacher can't kick them out.

mailforkev

Aglomerado wrote: »

Our old parish priest used to pull the ears of boys from the local estate

They got off lightly if that's all he pulled.

My third class teacher (would have been 1987ish) used to have a metre stick that he hit some kids across the legs with. The man had anger issues I think.

I recall hearing a few years later that he had gotten into some serious trouble over something similar after I left primary.

topper75

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Something needs to change what's a teacher to do nowadays when a pupil won't stop misbehaving and the principal says the teacher can't kick them out.

Honest question there.

I taught for a little while and used to fantasize with staffroom colleagues about a grid of switches connected to shock prods on each desk.:D

Seriously though, you can isolate bad individuals to some extent and work on their behaviour, but some classes have a critical mass of bad attitude and that can be very hard to combat. A lot of the kids are extremely aware of the teachers inability to respond with an effective punishment.

Corporal punishment was abused when available to teachers to administer willynilly with no accountability. I would like them to look at the parents' income. A good income-deduction system would eliminate abuse but still get results.

ynul31f47k6b59

Some teachers just have serious anger problems - or they did when I was at school. One (who we used to call the Megab*tch), slammed my head into another girl's because we were talking. I was wearing one of those old hard plastic headbands with the teeth and the fking thing dug right into my scalp and made it bleed, never forgot that. (mid 80s)

Another teacher once held a pound up to my face and bet me I wouldn't get a Maths problem right - course I didn't, I was rubbish at Maths, but instead of helping, he was one of the teachers who just seemed to thrive on humiliating kids and showing his power at any available opportunity.

As Kelle said - I don't support corporal punishment at all, especially as a parent, but I don't necessarily think that children are any better disciplined now. Rightly so, the corporal punishment was outlawed - but what replaced it? This supernanny pussyfooting around crap, that ends up with teachers afraid to raise their voices at students. (My friend is a teacher, 6th class, and was informed by one of her students "I'll call fkin childline on ya, ya b*tch"). I'd like to see something non-violent, but solid.

bullets

Had a teacher in Primary school that used to throw chalk at
poeple, and Dusters, Saw a teacher in the 80's hit a kid,
in primary school before but the fecker deserved it, By 6th class in the late 80's the most you would get is to sit on your hands for a half hour with your knuckles facing down towards the wooden seat.

Secondary school there was a teacher and his son was in our class. He was oldschool and you always thought he would loose it and hit someone, a few times when it came to PE class in shool when his son was getting changed you could see purple marks across his back as if his old man had leathered him with the belt. the PE teachers in the early 90's tended to be assholes too, they would grab kids by the ankles and whip them upside down, Grab their shorts and pull them down in front of the girls to humiliate them.

~B

Run_to_da_hills

We had a primary teacher Mr C**** who was a right bo**ix, thought nothing of clipping anyone across the ear or humiliating them in front of the class.

One day plumbers were contracted in to sort out the central heating system and were busy working at the back of the class. About an hour later the teacher completly forgot about them and proceeded on with lessons. We could hear the rattle of pipes from the guys working.

The teacher then shouted, will those two bloody rats at the back of the class please stand up and proceed up to my desk, the two plumbers stood up and walked up to the teachers desk, the whole class cracked up, teacher was as red as a beatroot.

Ann22

I was hit on the hand regularly with a ruler and on the knuckles with a pen by my 1st class teacher. My 5th and 6th class teacher didn't hit us but she was a malicious woman. She often picked on one child and ridiculed them for ages for silly reasons. Like for instance, this girl hadn't money with her for something or other one day, and the teacher gave out fcuk to her and spent ages trying to get her to say why she hadn't brought the money in. The young one was in tears, eventually she said 'me mammy wouldn't give it to me':(.

drakshug

I thought the EU banned it in 82 or 83.
Primary school was a ruler across the knuckles or a spanking on the arse.
Secondary was the tawse with two or three tongues. The teachers had it under their robes over their shoulder (Scotland).
The there was the well aimed duster. To tell the truth, getting the belt was better than post CP when they gave you detention or lines.

Bearhunter

I was in school in the 70s and early 80s and it was rife then. Not for any particular reason, just random, casual violence in the classroom, corridor or yard. The Christian Brothers variously had the leather, the leg of a chair (the Board of Education, he called it), their fists. I remember one lad being lifted off the ground by the short hairs by his ears and shook until the tufts came away in the Brother's hands. I had my head smacked into a wall for talking and even the lay teachers were savages. I was punched to the ground by my religion teacher, FFS...Thank god I survived school, if I ever went back I'd bring a rifle.

Worst part was when you'd go home and complain about getting hammered and your Ma would say "You must have earned it..."

stovelid

I moved here when I was 11 (from England) and got the shock of my life when I realized that the teachers/brother could strap (with the those black strap things) you in my new (Christian Brothers) school. One in particular always went out his way to strap me because I was English.

minister poxbottle

There's nothing christian about those fcuking cnut's, i left school after my inter in 78 because of them imbred fcuks, but i did get the satisfaction of beating one evil bastrad to within a inch of his poxy life. It makes want to go out and kill one of them .

Rant over.

Bearhunter

minister poxbottle wrote: »

There's nothing christian about those fcuking cnut's, i left school after my inter in 78 because of them imbred fcuks, but i did get the satisfaction of beating one evil bastrad to within a inch of his poxy life. It makes want to go out and kill one of them .

Rant over.

I know what you mean. I always thought that if a Christian Borther was murdered you'd have around 250,000 suspects.

telecinesk

OP I know the school and teacher you had. Be happy hes long buried,that I well know. Am suprised this subject is treated as all things retro. This forum is usually light hearted and kind of cool.
Also had the unChristian brothers experience. I wait in the long grass for that lot to feel a bit of retribution. I witnessed a few hair raisers in early 80s. Managed to avoid such fun contact sport luckily. My satisfaction was knowing that school closed down and said people out on their ear. Happy days? Like fk.

Run_to_da_hills

telecinesk wrote: »

OP I know the school and teacher you had. Be happy hes long buried,that I well know. Am suprised this subject is treated as all things retro. This forum is usually light hearted and kind of cool.
Also had the unChristian brothers experience. I wait in the long grass for that lot to feel a bit of retribution. I witnessed a few hair raisers in early 80s. Managed to avoid such fun contact sport luckily. My satisfaction was knowing that school closed down and said people out on their ear. Happy days? Like fk.

Curran Cake is brown bread about 20 years now, if not more. When I had him for three years he was driving an Auston A40. I left the Harold in 5th class and moved on to Holy Ghost Fathers, some of the staff there were no better.

WindSock

telecinesk wrote: »

. Am suprised this subject is treated as all things retro. This forum is usually light hearted and kind of cool.

Yep, going to move this over to somewhere more suitable, I don't think it fits in with the forum here.

harr

had a brother that taught us in the mid to late 80s he used hop the **** out us daily ,i was never that bright in school so i got a good going over.i remember one day we had a new lad in class a big lump of lad turned out he was a traveller and this was his frist time in school this was 5th class within the hour the brother took the head off him with a slap sent him flying.he got up kicked the **** out of the brother it took 3 other teachers to pull him off him.never seen the brother from that day just left no reason or anything. if he is dead i hoped he died a slow and painfull death.

Cróga

This video sums up school for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWTYP6rcn30

Mary Hairy

When I was at school there was plenty of corporal punishment, but a lot of it is now being exaggerated.When they had proper punishment in schools there was no messing with drink and cigarettes at discos. Girls went to discos in their best denim jeans and didn't drink themselves stupid.

d22ontour

Corporal punishment was nothing more than a legal term given to child abuse as that is all it was.Unfortunately i am old enough to have seen and received it when i could barely tie my laces together....It's alleged purpose coincided with strict religious beliefs in this country at the time and thankfully both waned.
Now the shoe alas seems to be on the other foot as violence in schools is directed the other way which is just as deplorable.

Truley

d22ontour wrote: »

Now the shoe alas seems to be on the other foot as violence in schools is directed the other way which is just as deplorable.

Everybody seems to say this but I have strong doubts if it's the issue that people make it out to be. I have never witnessed it in all my time in school (and I went to a rough school.) Nor in my time working with other disadvantaged schools, including liasing with teachers, students and youth workers. If it does happen, it certainly isn't done to the extent teachers used to do it to pupils.

Whatever the case, the common agrument that teachers should be allowed hit students because otherwise students will attack teachers, seems extremely counter-productive. From my point of view anyway.

d22ontour

Truley wrote: »

If it does happen, it certainly isn't done to the extent teachers used to do it to pupils.
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Of course not, to think that would be quite foolish imo.Teachers,principals had free license to abuse children until it was removed.The abuse that teachers receive now is minimal compared to then.The point isn't about the amount but the fact that physical abuse in schools is now directed the other way.

caseyann

I got the ruler on the hand lol was sore but didnt effect me in anyway bad.
I dont agree with anyone slapping someone else's child.Avoiding slapping is needed.
Although in school some of them needed a ruler on hand.

AudreyHepburn

Personally I think any form of violence against a child is wrong. I don't even like the idea of a mother slapping a child for being naughty.

Nothing gives a grown man or woman the right to raise your hand to a child imo and the only thing it will teach them is that violence is the way to deal with people who annoy you or hurt you.

Surely in this day and age we can find more appropriate, affective and less potentially damaging ways to discipline our children?

topper75

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Nothing gives a grown man or woman the right to raise your hand to a child imo

I disagree. Children are not adults. If children misbehave and ignore verbal corrections, then a gentle slap is a physical restoration of a parent's authority. The child is not the equal of the parent. The child is a person and merits respect yes, but they are not above a slap when they persist with misbehaviour.

AudreyHepburn

topper75 wrote: »

I disagree. Children are not adults. If children misbehave and ignore verbal corrections, then a gentle slap is a physical restoration of a parent's authority. The child is not the equal of the parent. The child is a person and merits respect yes, but they are not above a slap when they persist with misbehaviour.

So you see a child as inferior or less of a person than an adult then?

You don't think they should have the same respect shown them, the same rights afforded them?

You do realise how awful that sounds right?

topper75

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

So you see a child as inferior or less of a person than an adult then?

You don't think they should have the same respect shown them, the same rights afforded them?

You do realise how awful that sounds right?

I see them as inferior in terms of authority yes. I mean they are only kids. How can you honestly see them as being equal to adults with an equal say in matters? You can't pretend that they know themselves what is best for them. To do so sounds 'awful' to me!

A toddler will often test the authority of the parent and persistently defy the instruction of their parent e.g. throwing food on the floor, screaming for sweets at the supermarket etc. At the point where the child refuses to be reasoned with, a slap is an effective way of letting them know that they have gone too far.

I am talking of a soft slap, appropriate for a child, on the hand or buttocks as a parent's right. It's role is more symbolic than anything.

The anti-slapping viewpoint often links slapping with brutality. Tackling physical brutality towards children is another matter. Confusing the two is unhelpful.

dvpower

topper75 wrote: »

I see them as inferior in terms of authority yes. I mean they are only kids. How can you honestly see them as being equal to adults with an equal say in matters? You can't pretend that they know themselves what is best for them. To do so sounds 'awful' to me!

A toddler will often test the authority of the parent and persistently defy the instruction of their parent e.g. throwing food on the floor, screaming for sweets at the supermarket etc. At the point where the child refuses to be reasoned with, a slap is an effective way of letting them know that they have gone too far.

I am talking of a soft slap, appropriate for a child, on the hand or buttocks as a parent's right. It's role is more symbolic than anything.

The anti-slapping viewpoint often links slapping with brutality. Tackling physical brutality towards children is another matter. Confusing the two is unhelpful.

And elderly people?
You know the way they get confused sometimes and do silly things that get them into potentially dangerous situations, like forgetting to turn the gas off or leaving the front door open.
A little slap helps to remind them the importance of these things.

mox54

when in secondary CBS i was bullied by a teacher in class, nothing too physical bet enough to stay with me all these years, my son is now in 1st year in same school and only a month into the term a teacher is being unreasonable with him, he told me and I've put a stop to it......time moves on but teachers still have a very negative attitude towards kids and need a good talking too still, basically some teachers today should simply not teach cause not cut out for it at all but corporal punishment is only the right of parents and nobody else and YES....I've slapped my kids (hard) and will again if required.........no apologies and no debate either....i will and it's my right

Milk & Honey

The exam results in schools where there was corporal punishment were always better than schools where there was none. This is masked by the dumbing down which has gone on in recent years. It was always the Christian Brothers pupils who got the top jobs in the Civil Service. There was high demand to get into their schools because they delivered the results. There was no need for grind schools in their time.

topper75

dvpower wrote: »

And elderly people?
You know the way they get confused sometimes and do silly things that get them into potentially dangerous situations, like forgetting to turn the gas off or leaving the front door open.
A little slap helps to remind them the importance of these things.

I've never been charged with the task of preparing an elderly person for life. Are we talking about some hypothetical Benjamin Button scenario for the sake of it?

You've got my curiousity up now that you are so anti slapping kids. How do you cope with a toddler's supermarket tantrum? Ask nicely perhaps?

Truley

topper75 wrote: »

I've never been charged with the task of preparing an elderly person for life. Are we talking about some hypothetical Benjamin Button scenario for the sake of it?

You've got my curiousity up now that you are so anti slapping kids. How do you cope with a toddler's supermarket tantrum? Ask nicely perhaps?

I've talked many a child out of a tantrum in my time, it is actually possible. If not, there are several ways of dealing with it. Slapping, I would imagine, will more often than not make the child angrier, and cry even more.

caseyann

topper75 wrote: »

I've never been charged with the task of preparing an elderly person for life. Are we talking about some hypothetical Benjamin Button scenario for the sake of it?

You've got my curiousity up now that you are so anti slapping kids. How do you cope with a toddler's supermarket tantrum? Ask nicely perhaps?

I hate toddler supermarket tantrum slappers.Makes my blood boil:mad:
Never ever hit a toddler.They are usually tired bored or just crankie.Its loud pushy and boring for them.
It is advised if your child throws a tantrum in the shops.Leave and bring child home or as far as needed to stop tantrum and make it clear you will not enter the shop again with them if they do not behave.
If they stop reward them with a surprise or hugs and kiss and praise when quiet they get the idea.

topper75

topper75 wrote: »

How do you cope with a toddler's supermarket tantrum? Ask nicely perhaps?

caseyann wrote: »

Leave and bring child home or as far as needed to stop tantrum and make it clear you will not enter the shop again with them if they do not behave.
If they stop reward them with a surprise or hugs and kiss and praise when quiet they get the idea.

I was joking - being facetious. But then, you post the above in earnest. Unbelievable.:D

Look - some Oprah-watching types might have all day to wander in and out of Marks and Sparks until their brat responds to new age psychobabble nonsense.
In the real world meanwhile, parents are pressed for time to get the shopping done after work. It is a pressure situation and if the kid starts acting up and testing the boundaries screaming for sweets at the checkout, well then a quick slap reminds the kid of the pecking order in the household and that indulgences won't be tolerated when the parents are busy. They learn. It works. They wailing diminishes to a whimper and the kid has realised where the line is.

dlofnep

My teacher in 2nd standard used to give us the option of one smack from her with a metal ruler, or 10 smacks from ourselves - If we didn't hit ourselves hard enough, she'd smack us. I don't even think it was legal back then - This would have been around 1989 or thereabouts.

who the fug

Schools that I went to the threat was the important bit ,teachers that used it on a regular basis lost control of the class.

Plautus

topper75 wrote: »

Look - some Oprah-watching types might have all day to wander in and out of Marks and Sparks until their brat responds to new age psychobabble nonsense.

In the real world meanwhile, parents are pressed for time to get the shopping done after work. It is a pressure situation and if the kid starts acting up and testing the boundaries screaming for sweets at the checkout, well then a quick slap reminds the kid of the pecking order in the household and that indulgences won't be tolerated when the parents are busy. They learn. It works. They wailing diminishes to a whimper and the kid has realised where the line is.

Nice of you to touch on all the stereotypes there. Marks and Spencers = Upper middle-class detached from 'reality' hurrr. You shop in Tesco amirite? :rolleyes:

In 'the real world', it isn't 'new age, psychobabble nonsense': there are plenty of ways to effectively discipline children without making them fearful of physical retribution from their own parents. Child psychology is not 'psychobabble' - it's far from Dr. Spock or whatever unreconstructed image of it you've received. If you want to dismiss the seriously damaging effects that come from being in receipt of slaps from your own parents, go right ahead - sure psychology and psychiatry; it's all purest 'babble'. Made up by liberals to make excuses for themselves!

I've never seen anyone hit their child in the supermarket (and I shop in Supervalu, is that low down enough?), even children that were boisterous or fighting seemed to stop when a stern word was said and they were pulled apart. Parenting is also a two-man job; ideally a father and mother should work together, it saves one parent being overwhelmed.

caseyann

topper75 wrote: »

I was joking - being facetious. But then, you post the above in earnest. Unbelievable.:D

Look - some Oprah-watching types might have all day to wander in and out of Marks and Sparks until their brat responds to new age psychobabble nonsense.
In the real world meanwhile, parents are pressed for time to get the shopping done after work. It is a pressure situation and if the kid starts acting up and testing the boundaries screaming for sweets at the checkout, well then a quick slap reminds the kid of the pecking order in the household and that indulgences won't be tolerated when the parents are busy. They learn. It works. They wailing diminishes to a whimper and the kid has realised where the line is.

Excuse me? :eek::p
I can not stand Oprah or any of them American shows.

caseyann

Plautus wrote: »

Nice of you to touch on all the stereotypes there. Marks and Spencers = Upper middle-class detached from 'reality' hurrr. You shop in Tesco amirite? :rolleyes:

In 'the real world', it isn't 'new age, psychobabble nonsense': there are plenty of ways to effectively discipline children without making them fearful of physical retribution from their own parents. Child psychology is not 'psychobabble' - it's far from Dr. Spock or whatever unreconstructed image of it you've received. If you want to dismiss the seriously damaging effects that come from being in receipt of slaps from your own parents, go right ahead - sure psychology and psychiatry; it's all purest 'babble'. Made up by liberals to make excuses for themselves!

I've never seen anyone hit their child in the supermarket (and I shop in Supervalu, is that low down enough?), even children that were boisterous or fighting seemed to stop when a stern word was said and they were pulled apart. Parenting is also a two-man job; ideally a father and mother should work together, it saves one parent being overwhelmed.

Apart from the effect your parents had on you by slapping.My mom smacked me and never effected me or no anger for it.As i was slapped for been disrespectful or cheeky or for stepping over the line.
I thank she gave me a clout now and again i deserved it
The rest i agree with and no need to humiliate and belittle your child by slapping them in shop.

Plautus

Well, I always find that those who say a slap 'never harmed them' are either speaking about truly isolated incidents in their childhood or don't fully appreciate how it might have affected them.

My mother, for instance, grew up in an era where she was regularly physically punished and stoutly maintains that it did her no harm. And I can tell you - she's got issues. She's affected a neurotic perfection complex; she constantly belittles about 90% of the people she meets. The only people exempt from the critical gaze are her co-workers. As a child of her marriage I can tell you it is an abusive failure - she thought nothing of taking a key to my father's face at one stage. It's perfectly okay to hurl insults at each other in front of the children at dinner time too, apparently.

Whenever she sees mental illness publicised on the news or in television shows she comes out with the line (without fail) 'well, you're just better off forgetting about the past and moving on!' - which is a very strange comment to make indeed and screams repression and low-self esteem to me.

She's been on medication in the past, and she's also in the habit of saying incredibly cruel things; perhaps to make up for her physical slightness. Some of what she did to us too, when my brother and I were growing up, bordered on psychological manipulation (such as turning us against our father, amongst other things.)

I can't say that physical punishment was at the root of all of it, but as part of the upbringing she had through school and at home it was thoroughly unbeneficial. It seems to have given her no clue as to boundaries with regard to violence or verbal abuse. But, y'know, she doesn't have a criminal record - isn't that marvelous :rolleyes:

Sometimes having the fear of God put into you dissuades you from misbehaving: but it can also generate a hugely problematic personality complex.

topper75

Plautus wrote: »

Well, I always find that those who say a slap 'never harmed them' are either speaking about truly isolated incidents in their childhood or don't fully appreciate how it might have affected them.

I know full well how it 'affected' me:

I learned not to steal from the ma's purse.
I learned not to steal from shops.
I learned to respect neighbours.
I learned to come in for my dinner when called.
I learned to get up to my room and do the homework.

You might go so far as to say, it never harmed me! Inconceivable to some though.

Plautus

I learned all those things too. Without being hit.

If you want to flat out dismiss the fact that being hit damages people psychologically that's your prerogative. But I find it a stretch that each of those life lessons was instilled in you (and could only have been instilled in you) with regular slaps.

AudreyHepburn

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

So you see a child as inferior or less of a person than an adult then?

You don't think they should have the same respect shown them, the same rights afforded them?

You do realise how awful that sounds right?

You don't sit down and consult your children on your financial planning do you?
"now little timmy where do you think we should invest this lump sum"
"lollipops"

come on

topper75

Plautus wrote: »

I learned all those things too. Without being hit.

That is because you were the infant Jesus or something.

Plautus wrote: »

If you want to flat out dismiss the fact that being hit damages people psychologically that's your prerogative. But I find it a stretch that each of those life lessons was instilled in you (and could only have been instilled in you) with regular slaps.

Let's put it this way. If I could steal cool toys from shops, and the worst consequences of that was a stern talking to and a frown from the ma, then me and the brother were borstal bound.

Thankfully, their somewhat more robust intervention meant that stealing wasn't cool and we decided the straight and narrow path was the better option. I wasn't grateful then. I'm very grateful now. But then, what do I know - I'm probably damaged psychologically.

AudreyHepburn

bluewolf wrote: »

You don't sit down and consult your children on your financial planning do you?
"now little timmy where do you think we should invest this lump sum"
"lollipops"

come on

Em...no. What's your point?

Just because I can't discuss my finances with my children does not, in my book, give me the right to smack them.

topper75

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Em...no. What's your point?

Just because I can't discuss my finances with my children does not, in my book, give me the right to smack them.

But bluewolf has undermined your whole basis for not smacking kids. You claimed they had equal rights to adults and questioned them being 'inferior' to adults. His scenario was mocking that. Kids are not adults and adults do have a right to discipline kids.

Truley

topper75 wrote: »

But bluewolf has undermined your whole basis for not smacking kids. You claimed they had equal rights to adults and questioned them being 'inferior' to adults. His scenario was mocking that. Kids are not adults and adults do have a right to discipline kids.

Just because someone is 'inferior' in the sense you outlined doesn't mean they aren't entitled to the same rights and respects of a fully grown adult. As mentioned before, what about elderly or disabled people, animals? I know you think that in the case of children it's 'different,' but in fact raising and educating them within the laws of the adult world is more important than ever, since in the long run you want them to grow up to understand what it is to be an adult. Adults don't get slapped for stealing or fighting, they will face other consequences which a child should learn early on. If the only thing that stopped you from doing these thing was a slap from a parent, I'm surprised you didn't start doing it at eighteen.

AudreyHepburn

topper75 wrote: »

But bluewolf has undermined your whole basis for not smacking kids. You claimed they had equal rights to adults and questioned them being 'inferior' to adults. His scenario was mocking that. Kids are not adults and adults do have a right to discipline kids.

To discipline them yes of course, I agree we have a right to do that.

But why should disciplining a child have to involve getting physical with them?

Being child doesn't mean you have less right to respect and to being treated right than an adult and frankly I'm a little concerned that anyone would think that.