Judge tells man to make pilgrimage for abusing garda

Galvasean

I had no idea forcing criminals to pray was a legitimate form of punishment in this country! :eek:
Is that actually legal?

Judge wrote:

“I want you to come back in a month’s time with evidence that you did the four stations of Croagh Patrick, and say a few prayers.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0917/1224279094345.html

GLaDOS

What if he was Muslim?

UnionOfV

ScienceNerd wrote: »

What if he was Muslim?

Obviously he'd be told to go somewhere else

Well, if the defendant is Christian, and the judge believes that it will help correct his attitude, I won't be one to complain about it. Seems like a logical punishment

Wolfe Tone

Galvasean wrote: »

I had no idea forcing criminals to pray was a legitimate form of punishment in this country! :eek:
Is that actually legal?



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0917/1224279094345.html

What a great sentence that is.


Perfect opportunity to go and have some reflective thought on what a dick he was.

The real question is whether or not he is allowed to wear shoes on the ascent?

Dougla2

as i posted elsewhere this country is secular (yes it is look it up) this is a ridiculous punishment

krudler

10 hail marys and away with ya ya little shcamp.

proof positive the judges in this country are soft touch dinosaurs.

Galvasean

krudler wrote: »

proof positive the judges in this country are soft touch dinosaurs.

I beg to diiffer. Dinosaurs go heavy on the punishment...

mardybumbum

I love climbing the reek. I get a great laugh when I see the crazies circling around the big piles of rocks. Some "punishment".

The Mad Hatter

Galvasean wrote: »

I beg to diiffer. Dinosaurs go heavy on the punishment...

Rhinocerobot?

Dougla2

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Rhinocerobot?

its a triceratops .not a rhinocore??

I-Shot-Jr

Well if I were to receive the same sentence I'd protest the decision on the basis that by nature it impinges upon my stance towards the church.

Could they not have just fined your man for being such an eejit, few bob for the state and all that.

Galvasean

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Rhinocerobot?

Dougla2

Galvasean wrote: »

Butch Cassidy

ScienceNerd wrote: »

What if he was Muslim?

Exactly.

Dougla2 wrote: »

as i posted elsewhere this country is secular (yes it is look it up) this is a ridiculous punishment

I don't disagree with you and I don't doubt you but two questions spring to mind:

1) In what sense are you talking about, "Ireland is a secular country"?
There's over 3million catholics from the last census. Our TDs say a prayer and bless themselves before each day's business in the Dail. Abortion is illegal primarily because of the religious lobby. Priests have a decision in whether or not a particular person is qualified for a teaching job - they sit on special boards that deal with hiring. Religion is thought in state owned schools - religion being Christianity/catholicism. There are religious symbols and christian oratories in our hospitals.

2) Where do I look it up? Our consitution is replete with mentions of a god. (spelt with a capital g)

Butch Cassidy

I-Shot-Jr wrote: »

Well if I were to receive the same sentence I'd protest the decision on the basis that by nature it impinges upon my stance towards the church.

Could they not have just fined your man for being such an eejit, few bob for the state and all that.

In certain small potatoes cases like this the judge has discretion. A fine would probably be levied if he protested against the punishment. Do you want to pay a fine or walk up a mountain? Another of the costs of not believing I suppose...

The Mad Hatter

Dougla2 wrote: »

its a triceratops .not a rhinocore??

Sorry, old in-joke.

Yes, J C and wolfsbane (mostly J C) have said that all of those are "created kinds." That's the kind of intellect we're dealing with.

We had a rubber triceratops toy and a rubber rhinoceros toy at the last A&A beers, and they got up to some hanky-panky, which put me in mind of this.

alex73

Galvasean wrote: »

I had no idea forcing criminals to pray was a legitimate form of punishment in this country! :eek:
Is that actually legal?



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0917/1224279094345.html

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

The Mad Hatter

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

It's absurd.

Ghost Buster

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

Every one? Wow. Who wudda thunk it!:eek:

Ciaran500

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

We're a secular nation with a majority of Catholics. Punishment handed out should have nothing to do with religion.

Ghost Buster

Ciaran500 wrote: »

We're a secular nation with a majority of cultural/ a la carte / ticked it on the census just cos /Catholics. Punishment handed out should have nothing to do with religion.

Fixed that for ya.:D

hondasam

why did the judge not go all out and make him walk from donegal to mayo and then climb the reek barefoot. hopefully your man might raise some money for charity. I have climbed it my self four times its not easy. I would have refused to do it.

Dan133269

Dougla2 wrote: »

as i posted elsewhere this country is secular (yes it is look it up) this is a ridiculous punishment

Please explain the secular bit.

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

Too right mate. He should have had holy communion shoved down his throat, then forced to drink blood (of Jesus of course), and then said 100 hail marys in a robotic mumble clutching little balls on a string. That'll learn em!

UnionOfV

I-Shot-Jr wrote: »

Could they not have just fined your man for being such an eejit, few bob for the state and all that.

There's a point there, he probably couldn't have fined him much for mere abuse, so making him climb a mountain is probably more punishment than a few bob is ever going to be

robindch

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

Shouldve cruficied him, I suppose.

Something biblical anyway.

Dougla2

Dan133269 wrote: »

Please explain the secular bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#Europe

magicbastarder

i'd fall down and break my leg on croagh patrick, just to get a chance to sue the judge.

Mark Hamill

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

Because if the man was a child, then the christian punishment would be stoning to death:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version) wrote:

18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Galvasean

alex73 wrote: »

We are a Christian Nation.. So what was wrong with the punishment.

HUMAN SLAVES..... IN A CHRISTIAN NATION...

AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tigger

The judge punished yer man if I was in trouble and I got hillwalking and talking as punishment I'd be chuffed. Who cares that in invoked religion it should mean less to the unbeliever than the believer. Do you know what I don't believe in? Prision and criminal records this all goes back to the crap about atheism being a movement or a belief or something. It's why I post so little here the only thing we have in common is a lack of belief. Sure it's sad we hVe to humor our judges but it's no worse than when a cop stops me an I'm all yes guard no guard of course guard till he fuucks off and I can go back to my Mitty like dream of being knighrider

magicbastarder

very good spelling for a drunken post.

Zillah

If he bothered to appeal I'm sure it would be tossed out. If you read the article the punishment is actually quite funny. While drunk, the guy went up to a Mayo guard and started hurling anti-mayo abuse at him. So the judge sent him to climb a big-ass mountain in Mayo. That's pretty funny.

The auld dinosaur should be sent to the pasture though.

recedite

Zillah wrote: »

The auld dinosaur should be sent to the pasture though.

But his successor would have to be sworn in according to the Irish Constitution, Article34;

5. 1° Every person appointed a judge under this Constitution shall make and subscribe the following declaration: "In the presence of Almighty God I, , do solemnly and sincerely promise and declare that I will duly and faithfully and to the best of my knowledge and power execute the office of Chief Justice (or as the case may be) without fear or favour, affection or ill-will towards any man, and that I will uphold the Constitution and the laws. May God direct and sustain me."

4° Any judge who declines or neglects to make such declaration as aforesaid shall be deemed to have vacated his office.

Article 44.1;

The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.

I think he was just following his direction from god.

Dades

Tigger wrote: »

I'm all yes guard no guard of course guard till he fuucks off and I can go back tommy Mitty like dream of being knighrider

Is Tommy Mitty Walter's Irish cousin?

Tigger

Tigger wrote: »

It's why I post so little here the only thing we have in common is a lack of belief.

I think that's the message everyone around here tries to get across

So well done!

robindch

Zillah wrote: »

If he bothered to appeal I'm sure it would be tossed out.

Hope you're not calling the judge a tosser?

Zillah

recedite wrote: »

But his successor would have to be sworn in according to the Irish Constitution, Article34;

5. 1° Every person appointed a judge under this Constitution shall make and subscribe the following declaration: "In the presence of Almighty God I, , do solemnly and sincerely promise and declare that I will duly and faithfully and to the best of my knowledge and power execute the office of Chief Justice (or as the case may be) without fear or favour, affection or ill-will towards any man, and that I will uphold the Constitution and the laws. May God direct and sustain me."

4° Any judge who declines or neglects to make such declaration as aforesaid shall be deemed to have vacated his office.

Article 44.1;

The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.

I think he was just following his direction from god.

Ah, but according to Article 44 of the Constitution "The State guarantees not to endow any religion. "

That's right folks, our Constitution is not even internally consistent.

recedite

Zillah wrote: »

"The State guarantees not to endow any religion. "

I think that means "will not publicly fund either of the main denominations".

Tigger

Dades wrote: »

Is Tommy Mitty Walter's Irish cousin?

To my

Lol

Tigger

magicbastarder wrote: »

very good spelling for a drunken post.

I-phone autocorrect for all you drunken rambling needs.

Dades

Zillah wrote: »

That's right folks, our Constitution is not even internally consistent.

I think we all knew it was slapdash. Good trying to get the cultural catholics of Ireland to vote something religious out of it in the next 50 years, though.

Tigger wrote: »

I-phone autocorrect for all you drunken rambling needs.

Clearly not all.

recedite

recedite wrote: »

Article 44.1;

The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.

Sorry to quote myself, but I have just realised that this forum is unconstitutional. There is a distinct lack of homage being paid to the Almighty here. As a patriot, I must now, reluctantly, see how I can have the A&A forum shut down.

midlandsmissus

Zillah wrote: »

Ah, but according to Article 44 of the Constitution "The State guarantees not to endow any religion. "

That's right folks, our Constitution is not even internally consistent.

Au contraire. Ah the smugness of being right on here, I can't even hide it

If you actually look at the facts of the case, you will find:

It is NOT a sentence

He does NOT have to do it

He was asked by the judge to do it to show remorse and willing of good behaviour.

It is NOT mandatory.

The judge in particular is known for doing this, not the prayers part, but for suggesting minor criminals do acts in the community to show willing and remorse.

Zillah

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Au contraire. Ah the smugness of being right on here, I can't even hide it

If you actually look at the facts of the case, you will find:

It is NOT a sentence

He does NOT have to do it

He was asked by the judge to do it to show remorse and willing of good behaviour.

It is NOT mandatory.

The judge in particular is known for doing this, not the prayers part, but for suggesting minor criminals do acts in the community to show willing and remorse.

What's that got to do with the constitution?

Galvasean

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Au contraire. Ah the smugness of being right on here, I can't even hide it

Smug theists! :pac:

Tigger

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Au contraire. Ah the smugness of being right on here, I can't even hide it

.

so you admit that you are normally wrong on here
and your main wrongness is......

Dan133269

recedite wrote: »

I think that means "will not publicly fund either of the main denominations".

Yet it does, and the courts' response to this in Campaign to Separate Church and State v Minister for Education - Ah sure Jaysus lads we've been doing that since before 1937, can't be anything wrong with it

Shenshen

Galvasean wrote: »

I had no idea forcing criminals to pray was a legitimate form of punishment in this country! :eek:
Is that actually legal?



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0917/1224279094345.html

I kind of like the idea of sending him for a good hard walk, ingenious and costeffective.
I sincerely dislike him being told to pray... unless of course the judge knew in advance the fellow was religious?

sensibleken

Shenshen wrote: »

I kind of like the idea of sending him for a good hard walk, ingenious and costeffective.
I sincerely dislike him being told to pray... unless of course the judge knew in advance the fellow was religious?

in all fairness, the judge didnt say who he has to pray to. i recomend a few bars of sabath bloody sabath

branie

I think the judge made a mountain out of a molehill :-)

sensibleken

ScienceNerd wrote: »

What if he was Muslim?

then hed have to get the mountain and bring it to muhammed