why I don't like ZVs

corktina

1. They aren't in date order, so to an un-informed person a car may appear newer than a later model

2. They aren't County-specific.

3. five-digit ones don't look right somehow

Anyone esle with an opinion either way?

(yes, I'm bored)

Owen

I have zero interest on a plate, metal or plastic, with a few numbers on it. I'm more interest in the car it's attached to every time.

gn3dr

corktina wrote: »

1. They aren't in date order, so to an un-informed person a car may appear newer than a later model

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Why does this bother you? If they are uninformed then they probably dont; care about your car so why are you worried about what they think?

corktina wrote: »

2. They aren't County-specific.

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They are now I think. Just not that easy to remember which one is from which county. Again I have to ask.... so what???

corktina wrote: »

3. five-digit ones don't look right somehow

(yes, I'm bored)

Perhaps - but the latest 5 digit one I got looks quite good I think. It's just a case if getting used to them. I'd rather that than 73 KY etc..

corktina wrote: »

(yes, I'm bored)

Don't you have a few cars to be working on:)


Seriously though teh ZV debate comes up here all the time. It's getting very tired. At least you have the choice between number formats.

Max_Damage

Why can't this country adopt the American system where all the numbers and letters are just random & they don't mean anything? It would put an end to alot of this nonsense.

corktina

gn3dr wrote: »

corktina wrote: »

1. They aren't in date order, so to an un-informed person a car may appear newer than a later model

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Why does this bother you? If they are uninformed then they probably dont; care about your car so why are you worried about what they think?

corktina wrote: »

2. They aren't County-specific.

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They are now I think. Just not that easy to remember which one is from which county. Again I have to ask.... so what???



Perhaps - but the latest 5 digit one I got looks quite good I think. It's just a case if getting used to them. I'd rather that than 73 KY etc..



Don't you have a few cars to be working on:)


Seriously though teh ZV debate comes up here all the time. It's getting very tired. At least you have the choice between number formats.

I didnt really want your opinion of my opinions... i wanted your opinion on ZV plates

marathont

I am in the process of registering a uk car here at the moment. Its a 73. I opted for the 73-xx-xxx. I prefer this as I think its somehow more authentic.

I would like to put vintage style plates on it. but I am a bit confused about the regulations.

Do I have to put the modern plates on with the european flag ? or can I put black or red pressed ones (not sure)?

There are other threads on the subject, but I cannot find a definite answer.

Max_Damage

marathont wrote: »

I am in the process of registering a uk car here at the moment. Its a 73. I opted for the 73-xx-xxx. I prefer this as I think its somehow more authentic.

I would like to put vintage style plates on it. but I am a bit confused about the regulations.

Do I have to put the modern plates on with the european flag ? or can I put black or red pressed ones (not sure)?

There are other threads on the subject, but I cannot find a definite answer.

No, any car before 1991 can have either silver-on-black, black-on-white, or black-on-red plates, without the Euroband.

manta mad

dont like the zv style either !!!!

prefer the year + county ones better !

Max_Damage

I don't like ZV plates either, but at the same time, I don't like modern Euroband plates on classic cars either.

marathont

Max_Damage wrote: »

No, any car before 1991 can have either silver-on-black, black-on-white, or black-on-red plates, without the Euroband.

Ok Thanks. I think I would like silver on black pressed metal ones. Does anyone know where I can get these?

Max_Damage

^ City Auto Components, just off the Walkinstown roundabout on the Greenhills Road, Dublin 12.

G Luxel

I dont like ZV or the post 87 year-county-number. I prefer the original plates issued here like IE 7893 or HZA 329 which are more authentic.:)

bob50

Me Neither i dont like the zv or the euro plate

Much prefer original 1932 etc plate

carchaeologist

ZVs have always been county specific. Iv said enough on the subject so i wont repeat myself (read bore ye to death with my whining) here.

rugbyman

I have always been a bit of an autonumerologist, and am allergic to ZV numbers.

the /a car was issued with a number when it was registered. it became a part of that cars history, featured in photographs at events, fairs etc.

when it is moved to another country, putting a different number on it serves no purpose(othe than complying with some local, largely unimportant laws) but takes some what from its history.

i am writing this from France and today had the good fortune to chance upon a 1935/8 Riley and spoke to the owner, a french man. it still had the Uk number it had started out with. Is there anold car enthusiast on here who think this should have a french reg ?

Regards Rugbyman

P.S. got some photos and wil post when I ,get my son to show me how to do so, no, when he does it for me.

if you cannot wait ,it is on JBCCollection.com

carchaeologist

rugbyman wrote: »

I have always been a bit of an autonumerologist

I like that term,should be a college degree course in it!:P

rugbyman

i suppose it a version of yourown name, carcheologist.
it is worthy of a thread.

many years ago , in the Uk i saw a car 25 exy but spaced 2 5EXY and my interest has not waned.

There is a chap has a mobile phone company here has P 4 ONE but it reads PHONE.

Dare I mention PEN I S

And true story, the customs man who checked for red diesel in my area 25 years ago, nicknamed "larry the Dipper" has a car reg DIP and we are over a hundred miles from Kilkenny.
regards Rugbyman

macplaxton

Max_Damage wrote: »

No, any car before 1991 can have either silver-on-black, black-on-white, or black-on-red plates, without the Euroband.

Totally not the case.

A car with an original issue Irish number up to 31st December 1986 (or ZV series) can have what you describe (although 7 character ZVs conflicts with the space requirements - shows how much they thought about it).

A new format (1987-> and older imports with modern format) one, can be black on a reflective white background (front & rear) and a (1991->) one should be the current type.

Or something like that, the NCT manual is a more lenient set of rules. The relevant acts are fairly clear. They are buried somewhere round here if you really want me to dig them out yet again.

(But as we all know, when was the last time anyone was tugged for it? )

Tina, go out and wash/fix those cars or do something else constructive!

marathont

macplaxton wrote: »

Totally not the case.

A car with an original issue Irish number up to 31st December 1986 (or ZV series) can have what you describe (although 7 character ZVs conflicts with the space requirements - shows how much they thought about it).

A new format (1987-> and older imports with modern format) one, can be black on a reflective white background (front & rear) and a (1991->) one should be the current type.

Or something like that, the NCT manual is a more lenient set of rules. The relevant acts are fairly clear. They are buried somewhere round here if you really want me to dig them out yet again.

(But as we all know, when was the last time anyone was tugged for it? )

Tina, go out and wash/fix those cars or do something else constructive!

Ok, so let me get this straight.
For my 73 that Im registering now, I will officially need to get the standard modern plates with the European flag?

Max_Damage

No, for your '73 car, you can have any format as I mentioned above.

For 1987 to 1991 cars, you'll need black-on-whites plates only, like my Micra.

Post 1991 cars only can have the Euroband plates.

alastair

marathont wrote: »

Ok, so let me get this straight.
For my 73 that Im registering now, I will officially need to get the standard modern plates with the European flag?

Nope - like the man said:

A car with an original issue Irish number up to 31st December 1986 (or ZV series) can have what you describe (although 7 character ZVs conflicts with the space requirements - shows how much they thought about it).

I've a '73 Volvo 1800ES. I opted for ZV plates (got four digits - which does work better imo) - my main reason was the '73 was the last year of the line, and I like the ambiguity of the actual age of the car (given that it's a variant of an essentially early 60's car). Pressed aluminium on black plates for me.

carchaeologist

Max_Damage wrote: »

No, for your '73 car, you can have any format as I mentioned above.

I think a 1973 car,imported and just recieving a ,say 73D1234 registration has to wear euroband plates to be completely legal?

Max_Damage

carchaeologist wrote: »

I think a 1973 car,imported and just recieving a ,say 73D1234 registration has to wear euroband plates to be completely legal?

Incorrect, doesn't matter weather it's ZV or 73-D or whatever, it can have any format plate as I mentioned above.

It's really only post-1991 cars that have to have Euroband plates.

marathont

Seems there is some confusion on this issue. Either way, I think ill just chance getting silver on black.

mb1725

I always thought it strange that they didn't allocate ZV **** to the really older veteran and classics and then reverse it, **** ZV etc for the later ( say post 1970) classics. Might look better than having a 1970 MG with an 'older' plate than a 1909 Model T

BSPOKE20

Personally I like plates that have apt, balanced or round numbers, ZV's or not. However I think pre 1988 (?) should be ZV format, that was the style of plates back when and I just think 68 D 137 looks too modern a format on an old classic. (apologies if you own 68 D 137 - its nothing personal)

I like this ZV plate : http://www.flickr.com/photos/34151059@N02/4494683066/

corktina

marathont wrote: »

Ok Thanks. I think I would like silver on black pressed metal ones. Does anyone know where I can get these?

google "craigs plates"

corktina

BSPOKE20 wrote: »

Personally I like plates that have apt, balanced or round numbers, ZV's or not. However I think pre 1988 (?) should be ZV format, that was the style of plates back when and I just think 68 D 137 looks too modern a format on an old classic. (apologies if you own 68 D 137 - its nothing personal)

I like this ZV plate : http://www.flickr.com/photos/34151059@N02/4494683066/

ZV plates with five numbers are not the format used pre 1987. the format then was three letters three numbers or reverse or 4 numbers two letters or reverse.

the example you quote is perverse...they are German style numerals and are nothing like what would have been used pre 1987.

2cv

marathont wrote: »

I am in the process of registering a uk car here at the moment. Its a 73. I opted for the 73-xx-xxx. I prefer this as I think its somehow more authentic.

What's authentic about a 73 plate???

marathont

2cv wrote: »

What's authentic about a 73 plate???

Its authentic because that is what the car is, Its a 1973 car registered in County XX.

unkel

rugbyman wrote: »

Dare I mention PEN I S

I remember seeing that one on a UK TV program years ago. Was it not a very loud red Mercedes bought by a businessman for his bimbo wife?

Edit:

Now it is on a smart car

corktina

marathont wrote: »

Its authentic because that is what the car is, Its a 1973 car registered in County XX.

Its as authentic as a 10cxxxx would be ...

I think i agree though that only cars which origanally had black and silver can legimately have them now, imports should bear the current style (like mine )

2cv

marathont wrote: »

Its authentic because that is what the car is, Its a 1973 car registered in County XX.

I'm sorry, but in County XX, back in 1973, not a single car was registered as 73-XX-XXXX
Please correct me if i'm wrong...

But anyway, i've said it before, and i'll say it again. I don't understand people's obsession with registration plates. At the end of the day, it's nothing more, nothing less than an identification number.

2cv

marathont wrote: »

Its authentic because that is what the car is, Its a 1973 car registered in County XX.

I'm sorry, but in County XX, back in 1973, not a single car was registered as 73-XX-XXXX
Please correct me if i'm wrong...

But anyway, i've said it before, and i'll say it again. I don't understand people's obsession with registration plates. At the end of the day, it's nothing more, nothing less than an identification number.

marathont

2cv wrote: »

I'm sorry, but in County XX, back in 1973, not a single car was registered as 73-XX-XXXX
Please correct me if i'm wrong...

But anyway, i've said it before, and i'll say it again. I don't understand people's obsession with registration plates. At the end of the day, it's nothing more, nothing less than an identification number.

Well obviously it will have to be new number. In theory it should be 10 XX XXX. but I think that would be a bit ridiculous.

The number on the car would not really bother me anyway. I would be more concerned with the style of number plate, as I think the modern euro plate does look a little out of place on old cars, but that is a tiny issue anyway.

2cv

marathont wrote: »

Well obviously it will have to be new number. In theory it should be 10 XX XXX. but I think that would be a bit ridiculous.

The number on the car would not really bother me anyway. I would be more concerned with the style of number plate, as I think the modern euro plate does look a little out of place on old cars, but that is a tiny issue anyway.

Exactly... so 73-XX or ZV-XXXXX, it doesn't matter. Just make it a black plate and it'll look perfect. That's exactly what i did on my (ZV registered) Mercedes

carchaeologist

Pimlico plumbing Ltd in London have around 50 of their 100 vans on personal plats such as..
F1 USH, C15 TEN, BOG1, X1 EAK, DRA 1N, LOO2TAP, LOO2LOO, HA51EAK, A801LER, LOO2WET B1 DET, GAS 9, T1 LER, 8 WC, RAD 5, 51 NKS, W4TER,LAV1

Their collection of over fifty numbers began a few years ago when Managing Director Charlie Mullins first saw DRA 1N for sale. He thought it would look good on one of the company vans, so he bought it thinking it would be the only one he’d buy. “I couldn’t see the potential when I first had DRA 1N, but as soon as I realised the interest it created, I started to buy more plates. We have had so much publicity from them, it really is quite incredible. I honestly don’t think there is a better form of advertising. We really cannot quantify the interest in them. We’re mentioned on the radio at least once a month and Radio stations often base competitions around the plates, ‘spot the plumbers plate’ for example. We are more than happy to donate cash prizes.”

Tony Walker has worked for the company for many years and says that after Charlie bought DRA 1N, he asked if he could have a plate for his van. “When the ‘X’ plates came out I found X1 EAK. I asked Charlie if I could have it. He agreed and after that the collection started to grow. When we speak to customers, they don’t ask what’s your name, they ask what your number plate is. Some customers even want a different number plate every time we go out to them!” Tony has his own collection of number plates at home, including X7 ONY. At work he has the prestigious W4 TER on his van. “Some people think that this is the best plate, but it’s not as amusing as BOG 1.”
Another engineer, Sam, has the privilege of having that one on his van. “I find that I’m constantly waving at people who are waving at me! I often find notes on my windscreen from cab drivers, saying what a brilliant plate they think it is. I’m known by everyone as the BOG 1 man.”
Pimlico’s most recent purchases are F1 USH and C15 TEN, but Charlie says, it won’t stop there. Pimlico Plumbers have over 100 vans in their fleet. “The aim is to have a plate on each one eventually. We even have a company policy to have a plate on every new van.
Charlie has his own personal collection at home, C114 RLE, C114 RLS, LM 1, LM 54 and LUC 3Y.
“Yes they’re a great investment, but to us they really are priceless.”

And for a laugh...
http://www.numberplates.com/pr-number-plate-gallery.asp?page=10&category=11

Dades

I just saw this plate on an eBay 944:



I've had both a ZV and a 72 D XXX. Whatever the owner likes best is best for the car in my view. As this thread proves, there's no point in trying to please everyone as everyone has different tastes.

alpina

ZV has always denoted 'NCT Exempt' in alot of minds & always will. So should be pretty interesting how many post '80 cars will get ZV'd for particulary this reason. Who's to say it's not..

corktina

2cv wrote: »

But anyway, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.

:D:cool::eek:


(posts 33 and 34)

corktina

carchaeologist wrote: »

Pimlico plumbing Ltd in London have around 50 of their 100 vans on personal plats such as..
F1 USH, C15 TEN, BOG1, X1 EAK, DRA 1N, LOO2TAP, LOO2LOO, HA51EAK, A801LER, LOO2WET B1 DET, GAS 9, T1 LER, 8 WC, RAD 5, 51 NKS, W4TER,LAV1




And for a laugh...
http://www.numberplates.com/pr-number-plate-gallery.asp?page=10&category=11

i once saw a picture of one of them trucks that empty septic tanks with "No stools kept in this vehicle overnight" on the back...offtopic but it makes me smile

2cv

corktina wrote: »

:D:cool::eek:


(posts 33 and 34)

Hahahah

corktina

fair play to you 2cv for leaving it posted....a lesser person would have deleted it....:)

2cv

corktina wrote: »

fair play to you 2cv for leaving it posted....a lesser person would have deleted it....:)

Haha :-)

RoundyMooney

corktina wrote: »

google "craigs plates"

How is it I didn't meet you @ the VRO?

I regged 1043 there and had it a good while, a tr7.

edit:btw, I had very similiar plates on it, and a ten year newer car, both NCT'd with no issues, so, as someone else said, I think it's only an issue on 92 on vehicles.

corktina

i waited til you left ....:cool:

RoundyMooney

Wouldn't blame you, I would avoid me as well...

Silvera

I'm not a big fan of ZV's or 'Year' plates either.

But using appropriate 'age-related' style plates (i.e. with large digits) do make either style of registration a little more more acceptable imho.


However, having said that, if they had put a little more thought into the system I reckon ZV's would be more acceptable to most enthusiasts, i.e....

ZV 100 to ZV 999 (pre 1930 vehicles)
ZV 1000 to ZV 9999 (1930 to 1960 vehicles)
100 ZV to 9999 ZV (1960 to 1986 vehicles)

or alternatively - ZVA 100 to ZVA 999, etc ...up to ZVZ 999 (1960 to 1986 vehicles)

BTW, ZV 1 to ZV 100 have never been issued!

rugbyman

can any of ye wizards who can look such things up tell me what type of car had the reg no 665 MIK or maybe BIK.

If it is a renault , explanation to follow.

Thanks Rugbyman

Silvera

rugbyman wrote: »

can any of ye wizards who can look such things up tell me what type of car had the reg no 665 MIK or maybe BIK.

If it is a renault , explanation to follow.

Thanks Rugbyman

I can tell you what year it was issued, but not which type of car it was issued to.

('IK' is Dublin btw. I have an old trade plate with a 'BIK' reg)

However, if it was taxed in the last few years you could get basic facts by typing in the reg to www.mywheels.com

rugbyman

Thanks for reply.

last week i was in france and was reading a supplement on 40 years of building renaults in Douai. there were pics of the various models and here was a green renault 14 , l.h.d. but reg MIK 665.
One can often see numbers from othe countries that resemble irish ones but this looked Irish.


On another note, i was prowling through E Bay a while ago and looking at an NSU Quickly for sale, the ad had a link to some info on the Quickly and there i was looking at a Quickly with a sidecar outfit!!!
Amazing as that was , the reg no was from Dublin, YIK perhaps (def ?ik)
and the script of the info was in German but the word Dublin was in there.

Regards Rugbyman