Doormen

alanmce

hi....

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on doormen??

I've had a lot more good than bad experiences with them,i know they cant be awkward at times, but have recently found them to be quite helpful when friends need some help

Dravokivich

As long as they remember to tip their hat and bow before me while opening the door, i see no problems what so ever.

I do appreciate it when they open the car door for me as well.

Reginald just hasn't been the same these days with his back problems.

Cookie_Monster

Doormen proper or bouncers?

ILA

Obviously its a unique area of employment, which tends to attract all sorts who don't be the most socialable and many who start out in it for the wrong reasons.

I've great respect for many Door Supervisors, knowing a good few who do a top job and are fair and even handed when dealing with patrons. But of course there's plenty of bad ones, not even including unlicensed chancers who work in certain places.

I assume you mean Door Supervisors in the Security industry, not like posh Doormen at Harrods.

policarp

alanmce wrote: »

hi....

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on doormen??

I've had a lot more good than bad experiences with them,i know they cant be awkward at times, but have recently found them to be quite helpful when friends need some help

A necessary evil nowadays.

mikemac

They arrange a taxi for me and can carry in my bags

Lots of hotels have them
Very dressy uniforms

Great Southern in Galway is an example

alanmce

well i actually meant doormen in nitclubs...i.e bouncers

SV

Never had a bad experience with any of them.

Been thrown out of a club once or twice but they've never laid a finger on me.

AgileMyth

Bouncers are a simple people, by which I mean they come across as being a bit thick. Too many cnuts in that line of work these days.

OldGoat

alanmce wrote: »

nitclubs...i.e bouncers

Surley they'd be Jumpers rather then Bouncers in a nitclub?

ILA

AgileMyth wrote: »

Bouncers are a simple people, by which I mean they come across as being a bit thick. Too many cnuts in that line of work these days.

Obvious troll is OBVIOUS.

alanmce

AgileMyth wrote: »

Bouncers are a simple people, by which I mean they come across as being a bit thick. Too many cnuts in that line of work these days.

but isnt that like any job???

there are a lot of wa*ker* in a lot of lots??

Banji

Never really had a problem with any bouncers. They're just doing a job. From what I can tell they get a lot of hatred for making the correct calls.

i.e not letting 17 year olds in, not letting in people under 21, not letting in people that are completely wasted.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ok, I take it we're talking about 'bouncers'.

Well I done doorwork for over 15 yrs, and honestly met some downright arseholes working the doors.

But I've also worked with some of the most honorable men & women I've ever met in my life - many of whom will remain life long friends.

The perception of bouncer's not being able ''to get a real job'' is largely false.

I've worked with guards, soldiers, solicitors, accountants, a lecturer in maths in UCD, student doctors & trades men of every sort.

AgileMyth

alanmce wrote: »

but isnt that like any job???

there are a lot of wa*ker* in a lot of lots??

I suppose their probably is, its just that I've met an awful lot of d*ckhead bouncers.

GavRedKing

Normal people just doing a job and they get a hell of a lot of abuse for it.

Its the tiny majority who can be pricks that ruin the name and reputation for the guys doing their job with no attitude or the like.

I know a few bouncers in Cork in different pubs/clubs and they deal with a lot of trouble for what they do, dont think Id do it anyway.

Wazdakka

I'd much rather have them there than not there.

Actually, any problems I've ever had with them seem to be non-issues these days.
Maybe it's being a little older or dressing better or just having grown up a bit, but recently I've found them noticeably nice and accommodating..

It's been at least a year or two since I've had "DRINK UP its chucking out time!!" yelled in my face. They tend to wander up to me and ask me nicely these days...

alanmce

Kylen Inexpensive Zenith wrote: »

Ok, I take it we're talking about 'bouncers'.

Well I done doorwork for over 15 yrs, and honestly met some downright arseholes working the doors.

But I've also worked with some of the most honorable men & women I've ever met in my life - many of whom will remain life long friends.

The perception of bouncer's not being able ''to get a real job'' is largely false.

I've worked with guards, soldiers, solicitors, accountants, a lecturer in maths in UCD, student doctors & trades men of every sort.

i`ve worked on doors myself for about 13 years,and agree competly with you!
a lot of doormen ive worked with do so to pay to put them selves thru college!
yes..there are a lot of bad ones out there,but find it unfair to tr them all with the same brush

arybvtcw0eolkf

alanmce wrote: »

i`ve worked on doors myself for about 13 years,and agree competly with you!
a lot of doormen ive worked with do so to pay to put them selves thru college!
yes..there are a lot of bad ones out there,but find it unfair to tr them all with the same brush

You know the craic so!.

I usually find too that the punter's who scream loudest and longest about arsehole doormen are usually arsehole punters.

Pace2008

alanmce wrote: »

but isnt that like any job???

there are a lot of wa*ker* in a lot of lots??

There are certain jobs that attract more **** than others, a doorman being one of them. In some cases clubs are just looking for hired muscle and will take on any thug once they look capable of throwing people about.

That said, I've had very little trouble with bouncers overall. I think a lot of people who think they're all dickheads tend to be dickheads themselves, just like people with a universal dislike for Gardaí.

cgordonfreeman

Kylen Inexpensive Zenith wrote: »

You know the craic so!.

I usually find too that the punter's who scream loudest and longest about arsehole doormen are usually arsehole punters.

This.

biko

I guess the most people having issues with bouncers are between 18 and 23, go to GPO and CPs, enjoy Vodka Redbull and hating authority figures.

Uriel.

Banji wrote: »

not letting in people under 21

This reason is a joke. The law says you can drink legally of your own choice when you are 18. This bull**** of over 21s or over 23s or whatever annoys the hell out of me. And it particularly annoys the hell out of me when you hear a bouncer use the excuse and when you go inside you find half the place is 17 anyway.

Either man up and tell the truth (i.e. don't like the look of your face, your clothes, the tattoo on your neck etc..) or get a different line of work.

Pace2008

cgordonfreeman wrote: »

This.

Reminds me of two lads on the back of the bus a few weeks ago.

Dressed in typical buzzer uniform, they were smoking joints like it was going out of fashion and talking loudly about the impressively long list of people they'd "sparked" in recent times. As two Gardaí were walking by,they took a brief rest from their toking session to look at each other a say, with disdain dripping from their voices, "Ah, dere's the coppers - ****in' scumbags."

People in glass houses.

Pace2008

Uriel. wrote: »

This reason is a joke. The law says you can drink legally of your own choice when you are 18. This bull**** of over 21s or over 23s or whatever annoys the hell out of me. And it particularly annoys the hell out of me when you hear a bouncer use the excuse and when you go inside you find half the place is 17 anyway.

Either man up and tell the truth (i.e. don't like the look of your face, your clothes, the tattoo on your neck etc..) or get a different line of work.

it's not an excuse, it's club policy - right of admission reserved.

Clubs with this policy are trying to make their venue more attractive to a certain clientele. People in their 20's might not want to hanging around with over excitable 18-year-olds who are new to the club scene.

Some of the nights I go to are over-21's and I often find the crowd more agreeable at these events.

questioner

i found that the worst people to give grief at the door were the type who would pass you by in the street the next week head stuck to the floor. God love them, they probably take so much **** in their weekly life that they have to vent on a friday at the person in authority least likely to do them any actual harm.

fonecrusher1

I was in a bar in the main street of sydney a few years ago, it was closing up time. We we're just finishing up or drinks & about to leave & this is what one aggressive prick of a bouncer said to me & 4 other lads..."get the fcuk out or i'l kick the **** out of yiz" Are they not supposed to control crowds instead of trying to start fights?:pac:

We weren't drunk or acting stupid or anything he was just an aggressive (possibly high on cocaine or something) fcuking idiot.

Made me think irish bouncers/door men aren't the worst bunch.

Dravokivich

Uriel. wrote: »

This reason is a joke. The law says you can drink legally of your own choice when you are 18. This bull**** of over 21s or over 23s or whatever annoys the hell out of me. And it particularly annoys the hell out of me when you hear a bouncer use the excuse and when you go inside you find half the place is 17 anyway.

Either man up and tell the truth (i.e. don't like the look of your face, your clothes, the tattoo on your neck etc..) or get a different line of work.

Pace2008 wrote: »

it's not an excuse, it's club policy - right of admission reserved.

Clubs with this policy are trying to make their venue more attractive to a certain clientele. People in their 20's might not want to hanging around with over excitable 18-year-olds who are new to the club scene.

Some of the nights I go to are over-21's and I often find the crowd more agreeable at these events.

AFAIK, it has to be shown on a sign by the door if they impose minimum age restrictions / style of clothing.

Uriel.

Pace2008 wrote: »

it's not an excuse, it's club policy - right of admission reserved.

Clubs with this policy are trying to make their venue more attractive to a certain clientele. People in their 20's might not want to hanging around with over excitable 18-year-olds who are new to the club scene.

Some of the nights I go to are over-21's and I often find the crowd more agreeable at these events.

That's fine. As long as:

1. The Policy is clearly visable (i.e. signs outside,club website etc...)
2. It is consistently adhered to.

E.g. The Wright venue in Swords, Club policy on a Friday is over 21. Big Sign right at the the back of the area where you queue.

Get to door - depends on what the bouncer thinks per person.

For example was there 2 weeks ago with 6 people.

Two guys in front of us in queue where ID'd - both 20 - refused admission, "lads look at the sign over 21s only, good luck".

My group - me (26), male friend (28), 4 girls (2 x 18yr old and 2 x 21yr old). All ID'd, all allowed in (same bouncer). That sort of crap is a joke tbh and is not down to club policy.

Pace2008

Dravokivich wrote: »

AFAIK, it has to be shown on a sign by the door if they impose minimum age restrictions / style of clothing.

Really?

There isn't really any clothing restrictions in Dulbin anyway from what I've seen. I've been all over Dublin and got in everywhere in a t-shirt and battered Converse or Adidas Classics.

I think you're far more likely to get refused wearing the Ben Sherman Shirt/Bootcut Levis/Brown shoes attire.

Uriel. wrote: »

That's fine. As long as:

1. The Policy is clearly visable (i.e. signs outside,club website etc...)
2. It is consistently adhered to.

E.g. The Wright venue in Swords, Club policy on a Friday is over 21. Big Sign right at the the back of the area where you queue.

Get to door - depends on what the bouncer thinks per person.

For example was there 2 weeks ago with 6 people.

Two guys in front of us in queue where ID'd - both 20 - refused admission, "lads look at the sign over 21s only, good luck".

My group - me (26), male friend (28), 4 girls (2 x 18yr old and 2 x 21yr old). All ID'd, all allowed in (same bouncer). That sort of crap is a joke tbh and is not down to club policy.

That's ****e when it happens. Unfortunately you'll get the power-trippers who'll refuse you because they can.

I guess you could lodge a complaint, but in truth I'd see that getting filed under B.I.N.

cgordonfreeman

Dravokivich wrote: »

AFAIK, it has to be shown on a sign by the door if they impose minimum age restrictions / style of clothing.

Pace2008 wrote: »

it's not an excuse, it's club policy - right of admission reserved.

Clubs with this policy are trying to make their venue more attractive to a certain clientele. People in their 20's might not want to hanging around with over excitable 18-year-olds who are new to the club scene.

Some of the nights I go to are over-21's and I often find the crowd more agreeable at these events.

Uriel. wrote: »

This reason is a joke. The law says you can drink legally of your own choice when you are 18. This bull**** of over 21s or over 23s or whatever annoys the hell out of me. And it particularly annoys the hell out of me when you hear a bouncer use the excuse and when you go inside you find half the place is 17 anyway.

Either man up and tell the truth (i.e. don't like the look of your face, your clothes, the tattoo on your neck etc..) or get a different line of work.

One door I work on on a Friday or Saturday night is strictly over 23s to attract a more 'upmarket' clientele i.e ignorant pricks who you can't have a bit of craic with.

It's not my policy. I think it's a load of bollocks but I don't own the club. We also wouldn't knowingly let 17 year olds in on a regular over 18s night.

Ruu_Old

alanmce wrote: »

well i actually meant doormen in nitclubs...i.e bouncers

Sorry bud, not tonigh'!

Uriel.

Pace2008 wrote: »

Really?

There isn't really any clothing restrictions in Dulbin anyway from what I've seen. I've been all over Dublin and got in everywhere in a t-shirt and battered Converse or Adidas Classics.

I think you're far more likely to get refused wearing the Ben Sherman Shirt/Bootcut Levis/Brown shoes attire.

That's ****e when it happens. Unfortunately you'll get the power-trippers who'll refuse you because they can.

I guess you could lodge a complaint, but in truth I'd see that getting filed under B.I.N.

Ah no the two lads that got refused weren't with us, we didn't know them or anything but it just annoys me ya know. We heard them clearly getting rejected on the basis of their age and my group started to get nervous and yet the two 18 year olds with us (who were ID'd) got in no problem.

Now, it worked out well for us, but it's just a silly situation if you ask me.

biko

On the other hand it's a tough job, sometimes fatal:

• The widow of murdered Limerick doorman Brian Fitzgerald fled a courtroom in tears yesterday after two men were found not guilty of her husband's murder.
• A New York bouncer has been stabbed to death after trying to enforce a new city-wide smoking ban
• Wayne McNally shot the bouncer after he was refused entry into Hush Nightclub in the Red Cow Inn

Dravokivich

Pace2008 wrote: »

Really?

There isn't really any clothing restrictions in Dulbin anyway from what I've seen. I've been all over Dublin and got in everywhere in a t-shirt and battered Converse or Adidas Classics.

I think you're far more likely to get refused wearing the Ben Sherman Shirt/Bootcut Levis/Brown shoes attire.

From what I've heard yeah...

I've no idea what that is...

cgordonfreeman wrote: »

One door I work on on a Friday or Saturday night is strictly over 23s to attract a more 'upmarket' clientele i.e ignorant pricks who you can't have a bit of craic with.

It's not my policy. I think it's a load of bollocks but I don't own the club. We also wouldn't knowingly let 17 year olds in on a regular over 18s night.

I was just referring to the need for a sign, not disagreeing with policy put forward for the door to follow.

Never had problems myself. If i'm walking by a doorman I say hi, if he stops me I ask "how are you doing?" On the way out I'll say "Goodnight lads" or something along the lines of that....

oeb

Kylen Inexpensive Zenith wrote: »

I usually find too that the punter's who scream loudest and longest about arsehole doormen are usually arsehole punters.

I really don't think anything can be added to this.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dravokivich wrote: »

Never had problems myself. If i'm walking by a doorman I say hi, if he stops me I ask "how are you doing?" On the way out I'll say "Goodnight lads" or something along the lines of that....

Believe it or not, that can make a bouncer's night!.

Dravokivich

Kylen Inexpensive Zenith wrote: »

Believe it or not, that can make a bouncer's night!.

Well I'm going out to have a good time, not be a prick, helps to carry the mood with ya, you know. :cool:

last thing you want is someone 3 times the size of ya wanting to rip you up into pieces.

bonerm

alanmce wrote: »

hi....

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on doormen??

They're pricks. Especially when they're driving those yellow buses.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dravokivich wrote: »

Well I'm going out to have a good time, not be a prick, helps to carry the mood with ya, you know. :cool:

last thing you want is someone 3 times the size of ya wanting to rip you up into pieces.

Thats cool.

I've often been in a messy row at the door, and a few minutes afterwards someone like yourself comes up totally unaware of what went down and say something like "Goodnight lads, great craic" (or whatever and it does lift your spirits and break the tension.

spider_pig

i hate these words - sorry lads regulars only

but how do i become this regular you ask for if i cant get in to become a regular...?

then you get told clear off because your point makes more sense then there's :mad:

iv been in places that have been shi.t all because the bouncers stopped people from coming in, like if i was a club owner id let every one in first sign a trouble then out the back door with ya if you cant show respect to the club then the club will not show respect to you

Naos

I wrote a big post on this a while back, my opinon remains the same:

I think the 'Bouncers are assholes' is a pretty easy bandwagon go jump on.

Sure, some can be on power trips but honestly, how many times have you gone out and there not been a problem at all. If you drove a different car every week for a year and only one or two broke down, you wouldn't be on here ranting that all cars break down and are useless.

As for bouncers asking you questions, big deal. Its merely to gauge how you are going to act when in the club. At the end of the day, Bouncers have to look out for the safety of those inside and themselves. They have a small window of opportunity to determine if someone is going to be a nuisance or not and I'd rather they made the mistake in refusing entry to a passive person than granting entry to a psycho.

I have been refused in the past and admitedly it has been annoying but there are plenty of other places to choose from. If you're getting refused from every establishment, then clearly something is wrong with your attitude/attire etc.

I've also had very reasonable bouncers who were a bit of craic. Left a club to run over to the atm and bought one of those breakfast bars while in the shop. I was still chewing the bar as I approached the bouncer on my return and he imitated this. I copped what he was doing, smiled and said "I've not taken ecstasy, just finishing off a special K bar" to which he laughed, made a smart comment and waved me in.

Last but not least, to those people who give back cheek/shout abuse at the bouncers when refused entry - The bouncers were spot on not to allow you in. If you would be that abusive to a bunch of big lads, who knows what you're capable of inside the club.

Einstein

I'm with Makikomi on this..

Worked on the door for about 5 years in numerous places.
Some places were great...great crowd, pleasant security staff (moi :P) everyone worked together...bar staff management etc..

Then I worked in other places where the doorstaff would get into a fight at the drop of a hat...have a go hero's who try breaking up multiple fights on their own...try arranging a way to give a guy a few digs if he caused hassle..hated the barstaff and vice versa. Those places suck.

So like mentioned above...there's idiots in all walks of life...the ones that have any kind of power or responsibility can unfortunately make for many a crap nights out with your mates.

my 2 cents anyhoo...

arybvtcw0eolkf

spider_pig wrote: »

i hate these words - sorry lads regulars only

Yup, its a sh*thead excuse. Never used it myself, and always advised lads to do like wise.

Nothing is going to wind someone up faster - might as well just tell someone to "fvck off" IMO.. Its a horrible, stupid & ignorant way of refusing admission.

Birneybau

Uriel. wrote: »

That's fine. As long as:

1. The Policy is clearly visable (i.e. signs outside,club website etc...)
2. It is consistently adhered to.

E.g. The Wright venue in Swords, Club policy on a Friday is over 21. Big Sign right at the the back of the area where you queue.

Get to door - depends on what the bouncer thinks per person.

For example was there 2 weeks ago with 6 people.

Two guys in front of us in queue where ID'd - both 20 - refused admission, "lads look at the sign over 21s only, good luck".

My group - me (26), male friend (28), 4 girls (2 x 18yr old and 2 x 21yr old). All ID'd, all allowed in (same bouncer). That sort of crap is a joke tbh and is not down to club policy.

Nice Work Fella!

biko

biko wrote: »

• Wayne McNally shot the bouncer after he was refused entry into Hush Nightclub in the Red Cow Inn

I used to live near there, used to be Diva I think. Not great but not bad either.

Dravokivich

RoverJames wrote: »

I used to live near there, used to be Diva I think. Not great but not bad either.

From there's bout's myself... It was called Diva at the time of that happening...

Think it may of happened 1 or 2 other times as well...

The people that go there are the kind of people from Tallaght / Clondalkin / Balleyfermot that don't get to go into anywhere in town...

evercloserunion

Some of them are arseholes but then with the amount of sh*t they have to put up with on a regular basis that's kinda understandable (in most town/city centres anyway).

Blazer

All depends on where you go....Limerick has the worst bouncers I've ever came across...complete scum about 99% of them..I think I know of about 2 sound guys out of the whole lot..

Galway I remember being very impressed by them. Extremely well mannered, polite and made me and my mates feel very welcome.
Remember we were in one bar, it was xmas party,,,lots of loud talking etc (nothing serious just laughter) and I remember one bouncer walking towards us.
Thought they were going to kick us out but he just said to me "lads if you want to sit down there's a spare table and seats right behind ye".
I remember I was taken aback as it was something I never expected but since they made us feel so welcome we ended up spending the whole night there.

Cork..met some real nice bouncers as well and pretty much any other place I've been to here and abroad...all sound guys just doing a job and not being a general dickhead like the limerick lads.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

From there's bout's myself... It was called Diva at the time of that happening...

Think it may of happened 1 or 2 other times as well...

The people that go there are the kind of people from Tallaght / Clondalkin / Balleyfermot that don't get to go into anywhere in town...

Used to go there and to the Playhouse in Tallaght, thought the patrons were very decent folk to be honest.

Jev/N

alanmce wrote: »

well i actually meant doormen in nitclubs...i.e bouncers

Like fleaclubs? :pac: