the cove

I watched this movie for the second time tonight, that is, I tried to watch this movie for the second time - ended up standing in the corner of our spare room, beside my budgies' cage (which was coverd over anyway) and cried and cried and cried like there was not going to be a tomorrow.

Before seeing this movie I already had a massive respect for whales and dolphins. I refused to support the captive industry, and although sorry for her family's loss, was quite happy when Tillikum displayed his nature and actually killed. Yes i am extremely sorry for the family's loss. I'm sure they and she knew the risks when you work with animals such as Tillikum which SHOULD NOT BE KEPT IN CAPTIVITY.

I never wanted to support the captive industry, I want to see orcas - last time I saw them I was barely a year old - might explain my obsession? That was at Windsor. I found a place in Norway that does package holidays in which you not only get to see the orcas, also get to swim with them? They're wild, can I support, or even partake in this invasion into their privacy?

For the record I would be out in Taiji every year protesting against the dolphin slaughter, I guess the money I save on that Norwegian holiday (which is just my selfish urge to se orcas) would be better spent donated to stopping whaling in Japan.

I'm just ranting, yeah. I just have such a heart for these wonderful creatures (that hunt in packs, track down the weak, play with their prey until they're half dead, toss them about like a toy, then maybe, if they can be bothered, eat it.)
No, not a domestic cat, an orca!

Rabies

Watch the first half so far.
Must watch the rest.
Was good.

Second half is so much better. That's when they start to impinge on the Japanese ground. God is it hard to sit through!!

At the very end Ric O'Barry made himself into both an idiot and a hero at once.

Bu the lengths they go to and the methods they use to get the footage are what makes the movie. The footage is only 5 minutes max, thank God. Just as the footage started was when I wnt into the other room to cry. Granted this was my second time seeing it. First time I didn't cry, didn't move, I just sat in my deat with rage building, and building, and building.... till I broke down and cried for a long, long time.

But like I said, I'm an enthuiast. Wish I was more. Wish I had the finances to go out there and help.

myflipflops

I saw this at a special screening in Antigua in January at which Louie Psihoyos (directed) was present to answer questions at the end. It was a very touching experience watching it in the open air with the ocean 5 yeards to my right.

Antigua is one of the countries that 'sells' their whaling commision vote to Japan. The idea of the screening was to educate people there about what was going in. it was pointless as most people here couldn't give a shi*t what happens to whales, dolphins and anything else in Japan as long as they get a few quid out of the deal.

A couple of us pointed out that the best way to educate people on the issue and garner effective support would be to have it screened somewhere like BBC.

Could you imagine the reaction of the British public if that documentary was shown on BBC one Friday night?

celtic Liger

dolphins are more intelligent then most of this board. myself included.

myflipflops

myflipflops wrote: »

I saw this at a special screening in Antigua in January at which Louie Psihoyos (directed) was present to answer questions at the end. It was a very touching experience watching it in the open air with the ocean 5 yeards to my right.

Antigua is one of the countries that 'sells' their whaling commision vote to Japan. The idea of the screening was to educate people there about what was going in. it was pointless as most people here couldn't give a shi*t what happens to whales, dolphins and anything else in Japan as long as they get a few quid out of the deal.

A couple of us pointed out that the best way to educate people on the issue and garner effective support would be to have it screened somewhere like BBC.

Could you imagine the reaction of the British public if that documentary was shown on BBC one Friday night?

Have a feeling Channel 4 showed it, could be wrong might be one of the ITVs, but gut is telling me it was Film 4.

Would be good to see even RTE pick up on it.

Cookie_Monster

Op, you should sign up for "Whale wars"

Dravokivich

Deleted User wrote: »

Before seeing this movie I already had a massive respect for whales and dolphins. I refused to support the captive industry, and although sorry for her family's loss, was quite happy when Tillikum displayed his nature and actually killed. Yes i am extremely sorry for the family's loss. I'm sure they and she knew the risks when you work with animals such as Tillikum which SHOULD NOT BE KEPT IN CAPTIVITY.

Haha.. great name...

Either way... I take it you are against Zoo's and keeping pets then?

Deleted User wrote: »

I never wanted to support the captive industry, I want to see orcas - last time I saw them I was barely a year old - might explain my obsession? That was at Windsor. I found a place in Norway that does package holidays in which you not only get to see the orcas, also get to swim with them? They're wild, can I support, or even partake in this invasion into their privacy?

No it's not selfish to have an interest in something and go follow up on it... Wouldn't recommend swimming with them... they can be Violent...

Deleted User wrote: »

For the record I would be out in Taiji every year protesting against the dolphin slaughter, I guess the money I save on that Norwegian holiday (which is just my selfish urge to se orcas) would be better spent donated to stopping whaling in Japan.

I don't think they go Whaling because they don't have enough money...

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm just ranting, yeah. I just have such a heart for these wonderful creatures (that hunt in packs, track down the weak, play with their prey until they're half dead, toss them about like a toy, then maybe, if they can be bothered, eat it.)
No, not a domestic cat, an orca!

What about tigers? They are dying out too...

mathie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Op, you should sign up for "Whale wars"

...or Whale Whores.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

Haha.. great name...

Either way... I take it you are against Zoo's and keeping pets then?


.

I think zoos do good work because they seem to rescue a lot of animals that are becomng endangered. Of course people should stop attacking them or destroying rainforests or whathaveyou, but while they are it's good to rescue them.
Plus I have to say the enclosures seem very nice and spacious

Wagon

Looks like a great film but I am always wary about animal rights activists. They're often cocks.

Kasabian

I have planned on watching this at the weekend. Being putting it off as I know it will make my blood boil. I have a fascination with marine life , even though I have a fear of boats. I have to force myself to get on a boat so that I can see these beautiful creatures in their natural enviornment.

Currently saving to take my my daughter to South Africa to see Great Whites , for me it's been a lifelong ambition.

anniehoo

I have it recorded and i just cant bring myself to watch it tbh!

steddyeddy

bluewolf wrote: »

I think zoos do good work because they seem to rescue a lot of animals that are becomng endangered. Of course people should stop attacking them or destroying rainforests or whathaveyou, but while they are it's good to rescue them.
Plus I have to say the enclosures seem very nice and spacious

thats true but I think zoos only have purpose if they have a breeding program in place and in zoos with out breeding programs the great apes especially dont belong in zoos

bonerm

myflipflops wrote: »

Could you imagine the reaction of the British public if that documentary was shown on BBC one Friday night?

Yeah it'd be like "ooh that's awful." and then they'd forget about it a week later and move on with their lives.

steddyeddy

myflipflops wrote: »

I saw this at a special screening in Antigua in January at which Louie Psihoyos (directed) was present to answer questions at the end. It was a very touching experience watching it in the open air with the ocean 5 yeards to my right.

Antigua is one of the countries that 'sells' their whaling commision vote to Japan. The idea of the screening was to educate people there about what was going in. it was pointless as most people here couldn't give a shi*t what happens to whales, dolphins and anything else in Japan as long as they get a few quid out of the deal.

A couple of us pointed out that the best way to educate people on the issue and garner effective support would be to have it screened somewhere like BBC.

Could you imagine the reaction of the British public if that documentary was shown on BBC one Friday night?

to be honest educating the whalers wont work I would advocate force as it has worked before In protecting endangered species

bonerm

IMHO Best thing people in the west could do is boycott those tourist attractions like Sea World that have dolphins jumping thru hoops and balancing beach balls. The Cove explained that these traps were only set up to catch the prize dolphins and the rest of the schools were killed almost only as an afterthought. I got the impression there wasn't even really that much money in the venture beyond the capture of the "performers".

steddyeddy

bonerm wrote: »

IMHO Best thing people in the west could do is boycott those tourist attractions like Sea World that have dolphins jumping thru hoops and balancing beach balls. The Cove explained that these traps were only set up to catch the prize dolphins and the rest of the schools were killed almost only as an afterthought. I got the impression there wasn't even really that much money in the venture beyond the capture of the "performers".

true and thats not just the case for whales, a zoo in cologne germany sought the capture of two baby gorillas and as a result of the attempted capture 20 adult gorillas died trying to protect their infants. At the time there was only about 350 mountain gorillas.

red_eskimo

Have to say i didn't enjoy it. I was expecting something that would make my blood boil and get me off my fat arse and do something. But it didn't. Maybe I've become desensitized to the whole thing but throughout the movie all i could think was, its not nice but its life. Maybe its the fact that I'm removed from the system. If i was Japanese I might feel guilty enough to do something about it. I saw a movie called Food Inc which shows the process cattle and chickens go through and I felt that had a more lasting effect on me.

kylith

The problem with getting the Japanese to stop whaling is that 1) the more they're told not to the less inclined they'll be to stop and 2) it's traditional, and the Japanese don't stop doing something they've always done for no good reason (and no, they don't see the rest of the world's opinion as a good reason)

On the plus side I have it on good authority that whale meat tastes foul, and that fewer and fewer Japanese people are eating it, so in not too many years they'll find it unprofitable and that will give them the impetus to stop it.

Cookie_Monster

celtic Liger wrote: »

dolphins are more intelligent then most of this board. myself included.

if that's true why were they easily caught and slaughtered?

They must have been all the idiot dolphins

jetski

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

if that's true why were they easily caught and slaughtered?

They must have been all the idiot dolphins

surly thats not an attempt to be funny?

Rabies

jetski wrote: »

surly thats not an attempt to be funny?

it was done on porpoise


sorry

myflipflops

bonerm wrote: »

Yeah it'd be like "ooh that's awful." and then they'd forget about it a week later and move on with their lives.

They have a history of giving a crap about this sort of thing. At the very least, there would be a chance of Britain bringing pressure at an EU level to to take a stance on the whole issue

steddyeddy wrote: »

to be honest educating the whalers wont work I would advocate force as it has worked before In protecting endangered species

That was exactly the point I was making. Attempting to educate whalers is pointless. I would not advocate force, simply educating the right people.

Fratton Fred

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

if that's true why were they easily caught and slaughtered?

They must have been all the idiot dolphins

are idiot dolphins not tuna?

Hey, I live in the Cove, it's not far from the Noggin and the Brack, only it has a beach.

not seen any Japanese whalers though, but I did see a load of tourists getting off a bus with lots of cameras, were they an advanced scouting party?

Mr Benevolent

Why do people care so much about animals and the like and ignore beggars in the street and worse? It's politically correct hypocrisy.

jam_mac_jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fOaCTddlng

PARARORY

Amazing documentary that all should see

mgmt

Whale meat is really really tasty.:)

bonerm

Confab wrote: »

Why do people care so much about animals and the like and ignore beggars in the street and worse? It's politically correct hypocrisy.

Because for the most part animals don't annoy the **** out of ya on a daily basis the way people do.

me-skywalker

Deleted User wrote: »

For the record I would be out in Taiji every year protesting against the dolphin slaughter, I guess the money I save on that Norwegian holiday (which is just my selfish urge to se orcas) would be better spent donated to stopping whaling in Japan.

Hmmm dolphin meat was delicious!!!

celtic Liger

Confab wrote: »

Why do people care so much about animals and the like and ignore beggars in the street and worse? It's politically correct hypocrisy.

speak for yourself. its hard for most not to show some sort of compassion to anyone in a worse situation then them.

beggars on the street have a voice. and thumbs.

recylingbin

Twas just a fillum ffs.
Get over it.

GrizzlyMan

PARARORY wrote: »

Amazing documentary that all should see

+1 Brilliant documentry