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Irelands a total bargain at the moment compared to Germany and Holland
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14-09-2010 11:11am#1Health insurance
Germany
2700 euros / year
Netherlands:
1100 / year
Ireland
720 / year
Car Tax - 2 Litre Diesel
Germany
380 / year
Holland
1246/year
Ireland
526/year (Old system)
Hotels
Irelands the cheapest in the EU at the moment, you can get a decent hotel for 80-90 euros a night, some cities in Germany you wouldn't get a decent hostel for that.
Beer is around 4.80 / 500mls in a pub in NL: at the moment, Germany is about 4 euros / 500mls.
Car Insurance, can't really compare, have Dutch plates and you insure the car and not the person.
Taxes are much lower in Ireland too, work in Germany or Holland basically divide your wages in Half.
Public transport is also a bit cheaper in Ireland IMO. Trains definitely and buses are usually a rip off in Germany and the Netherlands unless your travelling a decent distance.
Anyone else have any experience comparing Ireland to another Developed EU Country with the same currency ?
City Taxes in Holland are also a pain ... 580 euros / year in Brabant for a 2 bed house
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keithclancy wrote: »Health insurance
Germany
2700 euros / year
Netherlands:
1100 / year
Ireland
720 / year
Vs. Standard of HealthcareCar Tax - 2 Litre Diesel
Germany
380 / year
Holland
1246/year
Ireland
526/year (Old system)
Vs. Standards of Roads :rolleyes: Oh, and VRT.Hotels
Irelands the cheapest in the EU at the moment, you can get a decent hotel for 80-90 euros a night,
Because the majority of them are now working for NAMA - we're indirectly paying for the ''savings'', don't you worry.some cities in Germany you wouldn't get a decent hostel for that.
Which cities would this be in out of interest?Taxes are much lower in Ireland too, work in Germany or Holland basically divide your wages in Half.
Add on various pension levies, public sector levy etc.... Also VAT is higher in Ireland than in the other countries
Holland - Standard Rate 19%, Reduced Rate 6%
Germany - 19%, Reduced Rate 7%
Ireland - Standard Rate 21%, Reduced Rate 13.5%
Indirect taxation is our big concern imo.Public transport is also a bit cheaper in Ireland IMO. Trains definitely and buses are usually a rip off in Germany and the Netherlands unless your travelling a decent distance.
Trams in say Berlin/Dublin are about the same. Bus and DART services are also about the same, bar for the fact that German and Dutch Public transport are much more punctual and run for far later.City Taxes in Holland are also a pain ... 580 euros / year in Brabant for a 2 bed house
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Vs. Standard of Healthcare
Healthcare in Ireland is above Germany IMO, Holland is a little bit better, Private Health Insurance is a legal requirement in Germany and the Netherlands.
Holland has BPM Tax which is actually higher than VRT (anything upto 50%) a Bugatti Veyron is 1.8 Million euros in the Netherlands, .8 million of that is BPM Tax.Vs. Standards of Roads :rolleyes: Oh, and VRT.
Standard of German roads in Nordrhein-Westfalen is appauling, Irish roads are miles ahead, Autobahn would rattle the teeth out of your head in alot of places.
In order of quality i'd say Holland, Ireland and then Germany at the bottom.Because the majority of them are now working for NAMA - we're indirectly paying for the ''savings'', don't you worry.
Regardless. Still a bargain !
Duessledorf, Cologne, Duisberg, Essen, Frankfurt ... Basically anywhere in NRW.Which cities would this be in out of interest?
Sorry, that argument would fly if goods and services were not cheaper in IrelandAdd on various pension levies, public sector levy etc.... Also VAT is higher in Ireland than in the other countries
Holland - Standard Rate 19%, Reduced Rate 6%
Germany - 19%, Reduced Rate 7%
Ireland - Standard Rate 21%, Reduced Rate 13.5%
Indirect taxation is our big concern imo.
Berlin isn't a fair comparison, it heavily subsidised, huge unemployment and a wagon load of vacant accomodation makes it a cheap city to visit, but thats where it stops.Trams in say Berlin/Dublin are about the same. Bus and DART services are also about the same, bar for the fact that German and Dutch Public transport are much more punctual and run for far later.
NRW or Bayern
A standard 'A' Transport ticket is 2.40 and is the same price for 3 stops as 10, hence if you travel a short distance its a rip.
In the Netherlands an Nationaal Strippenkaart is 1.75 / zone. A zone is usually about 3 stops also.What do City Taxes incorporate? Water/Waste?
Waste and other services, i.e. Park Maintenence/Lights etc.
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On the other hand, you don't get robbed in German supermarkets like REWE etc etc etc.
Depends on what your buying,
Beer = Cheap
Beef = Not Cheap.
Hard to compare but we spend around the same on a shop as we did in Ireland (except for booze of course)
Plus 24 hour convenience stores don't exist (Tesco, Spar, Londis, Super Valu etc)
Longest opening hours i've seen out of either country is an Albert Heijn XL
Monday to Friday 8am - 10pm.
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Do you work for some Irish tourist body?
This year I have stayed in some very, very good hotels in Germany, Austria, France Italy and Spain for a lot less than that, with wonderful facilities, friendly staff and nice rooms. I have had Irish hotels refuse me a room for a single night (minimum 2 night booking) at higher prices than that. I have stayed in some unbelievably badly built, badly run, poorly staffed dirty dives in Ireland and have paid more than that.
Do you have any connection with the hotel spin-doctor who was on the wireless yesterday spouting about the Irish hospitality industry offering great value, comparable with the best in the world, or some such nonsense?
No, I live in the Netherlands and Work in Germany.
Bit of a generalisation there, I've stayed in some nice hotels in Ireland and some sh*t hotels in Ireland. Same in Germany and in the Netherlands.
I can only comment on my personal experience when travelling. Best value i've gotten was in Ireland. Germany is expensive for accomodation IMO. Netherlands in the Randstad is very pricey (Amsterdam/Rotterdam/The Hague).
Irish tourist body me hole ...
Twas on the news aswell:
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keithclancy wrote: »Health insurance
Germany
2700 euros / year
Netherlands:
1100 / year
Ireland
720 / year
Car Tax - 2 Litre Diesel
Germany
380 / year
Holland
1246/year
Ireland
526/year (Old system)
Hotels
Irelands the cheapest in the EU at the moment, you can get a decent hotel for 80-90 euros a night, some cities in Germany you wouldn't get a decent hostel for that.
Beer is around 4.80 / 500mls in a pub in NL: at the moment, Germany is about 4 euros / 500mls.
Car Insurance, can't really compare, have Dutch plates and you insure the car and not the person.
Taxes are much lower in Ireland too, work in Germany or Holland basically divide your wages in Half.
Public transport is also a bit cheaper in Ireland IMO. Trains definitely and buses are usually a rip off in Germany and the Netherlands unless your travelling a decent distance.
Anyone else have any experience comparing Ireland to another Developed EU Country with the same currency ?
City Taxes in Holland are also a pain ... 580 euros / year in Brabant for a 2 bed house
France: No Road Tax, only tax on petrol + diesel.
Ireland = double taxed.
On groceries, we are the most expensive in the Eurozone.
In Germany, maybe you haven't heard of a bahn card? It gives you a reduction.0 -
France: No Road Tax, only tax on petrol + diesel.
Ireland = double taxed.
On groceries, we are the most expensive in the Eurozone.
In Germany, maybe you haven't heard of a bahn card? It gives you a reduction.
France ..... lol ... Toll Gates ?
Even the Germans will avoid French Roads if they have to drive for an extra hour or two, We paid about 30 odd Euros in tolls one way from Roscoff to the Netherlands. The french pay a bloody fortune on Tolls !!
On groceries, Don't think so. I do a shop in Albert Heijn, Jumbo, Nettorama, Aldi or Lidl. Germany I mainly go to Rewe, Lidl (Not Aldi, the Nord one is sh*t, Aldi Sud is much better) or Netto. As I said, there isn't a huge difference between here and Ireland. Stuff like Cheddar cheese and decent beef is expensive here, much cheaper in Ireland. Beer and Spirits are about the only thing i've noticed here thats alot cheaper.
You need a German address for a Bahncard, I have a Voordeelurenabonnement card which gives me 40% off the Dutch railway after 9 o'clock and a Railplus card which gives 25% off International Trains (ICE and Thalys)
Don't live in Germany, only work there so don't need it, the Tariffs for the Deutsche Bahn are really complicated. Sometimes you buy an IC Ticket and then that covered Public Transport in the city your visiting for the day, or a Concert Ticket, or you can even buy a ticket you can share with 2 other people thats only valid on certain days or the weekend
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keithclancy wrote: »Health insurance
Germany
2700 euros / year
Netherlands:
1100 / year
Ireland
720 / year
Car Tax - 2 Litre Diesel
Germany
380 / year
Holland
1246/year
Ireland
526/year (Old system)
Hotels
Irelands the cheapest in the EU at the moment, you can get a decent hotel for 80-90 euros a night, some cities in Germany you wouldn't get a decent hostel for that.
Beer is around 4.80 / 500mls in a pub in NL: at the moment, Germany is about 4 euros / 500mls.
Car Insurance, can't really compare, have Dutch plates and you insure the car and not the person.
Taxes are much lower in Ireland too, work in Germany or Holland basically divide your wages in Half.
Public transport is also a bit cheaper in Ireland IMO. Trains definitely and buses are usually a rip off in Germany and the Netherlands unless your travelling a decent distance.
Anyone else have any experience comparing Ireland to another Developed EU Country with the same currency ?
City Taxes in Holland are also a pain ... 580 euros / year in Brabant for a 2 bed house
You've never been to Germany have you?
Avergae post of pint
Ireland 4.80
Germany 3 - 4 depending on city
Cost of getting home from a night out (average distance, say 6m/10km)
Dublin 25
Berlin 0
Taxes are NOT 50% in Germany - where the hell did you get that one from???
Petrol - true, but this is to discourage people from driving short journies by car.
Transport
Ireland - Dublin - Germany more expensive but also mroe comfortable and more reliable and you can actually book a seat!
So, in the cases where Germany is more expensive you got a much better services.
Germany "can't get a decent hostel for 80-90 euro"? Pure fabrication. Suggest you do some research before getting hysterical nect time.
Average night in a hotel 60 euro. You can stay in the Best Western in Berlin for 80.
Generator Hostel Berlin - 20 euro bed in dorm
AO Hostel/hotel Munich - 45-50 euro (expesive right now, yes, but only because of Octoberfest. try booking for a wekeend next month)
Care to comment? Didn't think so.
EDIT - just seen you HAVE been to Germany, which makes the post all the more fabrication and less factual. Especially considering the part where you said Irish helathcare was better than German healthcare. That's Mary Harney's job safe, so...Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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keithclancy wrote: »France ..... lol ... Toll Gates ?
Even the Germans will avoid French Roads if they have to drive for an extra hour or two, We paid about 30 odd Euros in tolls one way from Roscoff to the Netherlands. The french pay a bloody fortune on Tolls !!
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keithclancy wrote: »Healthcare in Ireland is above Germany IMO, Holland is a little bit better, Private Health Insurance is a legal requirement in Germany and the Netherlands.
Having done both I can definitively say the standard of Healthcare, especially in relation to A&E waiting times, are far far better in Germany.Holland has BPM Tax which is actually higher than VRT (anything upto 50%) a Bugatti Veyron is 1.8 Million euros in the Netherlands, .8 million of that is BPM Tax.
But say, in comparison to a Family Saloon?Standard of German roads in Nordrhein-Westfalen is appauling, Irish roads are miles ahead, Autobahn would rattle the teeth out of your head in alot of places.
In order of quality i'd say Holland, Ireland and then Germany at the bottom.
Well say 10% of German roads Vs. about 40% of Irish Roads. Exclude the main bypasses and the motorways around Dublin and you really know the meaning of 'tertiary' roads.Duessledorf, Cologne, Duisberg, Essen, Frankfurt ... Basically anywhere in NRW.
Hosteled around Germany staying in Essen, Frankfurt, Weimar, Berlin, Leipzig and a variety of places in-between. Can't remember paying anything more than 15 a night with a far better standard overall then anywhere I was in Ireland.Sorry, that argument would fly if goods and services were not cheaper in Ireland
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You've never been to Germany have you?
Avergae post of pint
Ireland 4.80
Germany 3 - 4 depending on city
Price of a Pint ... first off, Germans don't do 'Pints'
Second if you do get a 'Pint' its actually 400mls, Fattys in Duesseldorf charges 4.80for a 'pint'.Cost of getting home from a night out (average distance, say 6m/10km)
Dublin 25
Berlin 0
Well if its anything like the NRW the Trams/Metro stop at 11.30/12 o'clock. You have to get a Taxi home. Taxi prices are pretty much on Par with Ireland if not slightly cheaper. The Netherlands is about 60 - 70% more expensive for a cab.
Deloitte and Touche Tax Consultancy. I pay just over 52% tax. Also pay Church tax, which I need to sort out.Taxes are NOT 50% in Germany - where the hell did you get that one from???
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They have an Umweltzone for that, they don't want people driving into the cities, they tax it to get money into the coffers.Petrol - true, but this is to discourage people from driving short journies by car.
ICE, Cheapest one way ticket from The Hague - Duesseldorf with a Voordeelurenabonnement + Railplus (i.e. booking 3 weeks in advance) is 50 euros (if your lucky) . Normally its around 100-150 euros return.Transport
Ireland - Dublin - Germany more expensive but also mroe comfortable and more reliable and you can actually book a seat!
German Roads are not great, Road surface is Terrible. Roads in the City Centre is sh*te in quite a few cities.So, in the cases where Germany is more expensive you got a much better services.
Back in 2008 when i was commuting by Rail I was stranded a load of times because either Deutsche Bahn were on strike or there was a technical problem on the line. Ended up stuck in Duisberg one night becuase the German Conductor didn't understand my Dutch ticket, yet when I went into the ticket office in Duisberg the guy couldn't understand why i'd been booted off the train.Germany "can't get a decent hostel for 80-90 euro"? Pure fabrication. Suggest you do some research before getting hysterical nect time.
Average night in a hotel 60 euro. You can stay in the Best Western in Berlin for 80.
Generator Hostel Berlin - 20 euro bed in dorm
AO Hostel/hotel Munich - 45-50 euro (expesive right now, yes, but only because of Octoberfest. try booking for a wekeend next month)
Lived in Hotels for almost a year, Average room rate was 150 - 200 Euros per Night in Various hotels. That Best Western i.e. Golden Tulip chain of Hotels are THE worst dumps ever.
During conference times as well the Germans jack the prices up to unreal levels. It was 1100 euros for a Night in a 4 star hotel out by the Airport.EDIT - just seen you HAVE been to Germany, which makes the post all the more fabrication and less factual. Especially considering the part where you said Irish helathcare was better than German healthcare. That's Mary Harney's job safe, so...
Haven't 'Been' to Germany, have lived there, currently work there, have a tax card. In the Health insurance system etc.
You cannot compare Berlin or that region to Bavaria or NRW, they get almost less than half the wages. Bavaria is even more expensive that NRW.
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keithclancy wrote: »Price of a Pint ... first off, Germans don't do 'Pints'
Second if you do get a 'Pint' its actually 400mls, Fattys in Duesseldorf charges 4.80for a 'pint'.
Well if its anything like the NRW the Trams/Metro stop at 11.30/12 o'clock. You have to get a Taxi home. Taxi prices are pretty much on Par with Ireland if not slightly cheaper. The Netherlands is about 60 - 70% more expensive for a cab.
Deloitte and Touche Tax Consultancy. I pay just over 52% tax. Also pay Church tax, which I need to sort out.
They have an Umweltzone for that, they don't want people driving into the cities, they tax it to get money into the coffers.
ICE, Cheapest one way ticket from The Hague - Duesseldorf with a Voordeelurenabonnement + Railplus (i.e. booking 3 weeks in advance) is 50 euros (if your lucky) . Normally its around 100-150 euros return.
German Roads are not great, Road surface is Terrible. Roads in the City Centre is sh*te in quite a few cities.
Back in 2008 when i was commuting by Rail I was stranded a load of times because either Deutsche Bahn were on strike or there was a technical problem on the line. Ended up stuck in Duisberg one night becuase the German Conductor didn't understand my Dutch ticket, yet when I went into the ticket office in Duisberg the guy couldn't understand why i'd been booted off the train.
Lived in Hotels for almost a year, Average room rate was 150 - 200 Euros per Night in Various hotels. That Best Western i.e. Golden Tulip chain of Hotels are THE worst dumps ever.
During conference times as well the Germans jack the prices up to unreal levels. It was 1100 euros for a Night in a 4 star hotel out by the Airport.
Haven't 'Been' to Germany, have lived there, currently work there, have a tax card. In the Health insurance system etc.
You cannot compare Berlin or that region to Bavaria or NRW, they get almost less than half the wages. Bavaria is even more expensive that NRW.
A maas is 8 euros now at Octoberfest
You obviously have a very well paid job if you are paying 52% tax. That or you need a new tax consultant. I pay 19% on half my earnings, the rest is tax allowance. Pretty much the same in Ireland.
You seem to hve expensive tastes, as well.if you are paying 150 to 200 euro a night in hotels.You find good comfortable accomodation for 50 euro a night and less if you're on a budget.
Why is compaing Ireland to Berlin unfair, but compairing it to NRW completely ok? I mean, you won't get good all night transport in a business city, but compare social cities like Berlin and Dublin for late night transport? No contest! ANd the beer is still cheaper here than in Dublin, even when you take quantity into account. a 0,5 is only 56ml smaller than a pint, i.e. about 10%. Where are you getting your 0,4? Go somewhere else!
jacking up the prices during periods of high demand happens even in Ireland. And if Bavaria is more expensive for accomodation (normal times) but still cheaper than ireland, it kinda kills your argument?
Notice you dind't comment no the quality of rural-"motorways" v autobahns or health care systems.Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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You obviously have a very well paid job if you are paying 52% tax. That or you need a new tax consultant. I pay 19% on half my earnings, the rest is tax allowance. Pretty much the same in Ireland.
19% on Half your earnings ... right .. .. would be a mass exodus of Expats from Holland to Germany if that was the case.
Are you working as a contractor via an Umbrella company in Switzerland or something ?
If I was married (Germans don't recognise Fiscaal Partners like in the Netherlands) You'd get a bit more, theres also some things you can claim back, but thats all at the end of the year. You have to be careful when declaring it on you Lohnsteurkahrte at the beginning of the year otherwise you'll end up oweing money back
The Tax Consultant is used for doing my yearly Tax Return, Payroll work out what they have to withhold based on whats your Tax Card.
http://www.connectingindians.com/index.php?name=extraModule&file=GermanTaxCalculator
For a wage of 50,000 euros per year in as a Catholic it breaks down like this:
Wage Tax : 20202.83 Euro
Solidarity Surcharge : 1111.15 Euro
9% Church Tax : 1818.25 Euro
Sum of the Taxes 23132.23 Euro
Obligatory Pension Insurance: 511.88 Euro
Unemployment Insurance: 170.63 Euro
13.3% Health Insurance (+ 0,9% from the Employee alown): 268.97 Euro
Nursing Care Insurance: 39.19 Euro
Sum of the Social Security Contributions 990.67 Euro
Net Salary: 25877.10 Euro
Getting paid over 13 months (Which is standard)
1990 Euros /Month.
Thats roughly depending on Marriage Situation and your kilometer Allowance + other possible deductions.You seem to hve expensive tastes, as well.if you are paying 150 to 200 euro a night in hotels.You find good comfortable accomodation for 50 euro a night and less if you're on a budget.
I wasn't paying at all, Company picked and booked the Hotels as I was on a secondment. Hotels were basically of the same standard as Jurys Inn.Why is compaing Ireland to Berlin unfair, but compairing it to NRW completely ok? I mean, you won't get good all night transport in a business city, but compare social cities like Berlin and Dublin for late night transport? No contest! ANd the beer is still cheaper here than in Dublin, even when you take quantity into account. a 0,5 is only 56ml smaller than a pint, i.e. about 10%. Where are you getting your 0,4? Go somewhere else!
The rest of Germany paid for Berlin and are still paying for it, theres all sorts of problems there. There is a huge amount of Vacant accomodation and the average wage wouldn't even be half that of Ireland.
Thats like comparing Dublin to Kenmare, Berlin is poor, the Average wage is very low.jacking up the prices during periods of high demand happens even in Ireland. And if Bavaria is more expensive for accomodation (normal times) but still cheaper than ireland, it kinda kills your argument?
Notice you dind't comment no the quality of rural-"motorways" v autobahns or health care systems.
I did, I drive 40,000 kms / year on German/Dutch roads, The German roads are not great. Alot of the tertiary roads would be on par with the roads in County Clare The German Motorways are miles behind the Dutch roads.
Why are you getting so aggressive ? Whats the issue here. I live here, I work here, I'm saying STUFF IS CHEAPER IN IRELAND. It used to be the case with the UK but since the Euro has dropped against the Sterling now you can get a better deal in Ireland.
The only thing thats significantly cheaper in Germany/Holland is Booze and Cigarettes, plus you have a much higher disposable income.0 -
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Jeebus .. thats only a 7 hour drive from where I liveHad a dinner and a pint of lager last summer in Irish Pub in Dresden for 6.50 euro .. you can chuck stones at the Czech Republic from there KindOfIrish wrote: »Just booked decent hotel not far from Munich for 32 euro
One day unlimited train travel for 5 persons in Germany cost 28 Euro. It is regional, but any region in Germany bigger than Ireland.
The 5ER Bayern Ticket is 28 euros.
Only Valid after 9AM Mon - Fri, so can't really get to work with that.
The 1ER Bayern Ticket is 20 Euros .. Guess if you can find 4 other lads to share with its a good deal
Dutch do a similar one call the Nederlands Dag Kaart . .usually you can get it for 28 euros / person.
Their not really suitable for getting to work though as you can only use them after 9.0 -
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keithclancy wrote: »19% on Half your earnings ... right .. .. would be a mass exodus of Expats from Holland to Germany if that was the case.
Are you working as a contractor via an Umbrella company in Switzerland or something ?
If I was married (Germans don't recognise Fiscaal Partners like in the Netherlands) You'd get a bit more, theres also some things you can claim back, but thats all at the end of the year. You have to be careful when declaring it on you Lohnsteurkahrte at the beginning of the year otherwise you'll end up oweing money back
The Tax Consultant is used for doing my yearly Tax Return, Payroll work out what they have to withhold based on whats your Tax Card.
http://www.connectingindians.com/index.php?name=extraModule&file=GermanTaxCalculator
For a wage of 50,000 euros per year in as a Catholic it breaks down like this:
Wage Tax : 20202.83 Euro
Solidarity Surcharge : 1111.15 Euro
9% Church Tax : 1818.25 Euro
Sum of the Taxes 23132.23 Euro
Obligatory Pension Insurance: 511.88 Euro
Unemployment Insurance: 170.63 Euro
13.3% Health Insurance (+ 0,9% from the Employee alown): 268.97 Euro
Nursing Care Insurance: 39.19 Euro
Sum of the Social Security Contributions 990.67 Euro
Net Salary: 25877.10 Euro
Getting paid over 13 months (Which is standard)
1990 Euros /Month.
Thats roughly depending on Marriage Situation and your kilometer Allowance + other possible deductions.
I wasn't paying at all, Company picked and booked the Hotels as I was on a secondment. Hotels were basically of the same standard as Jurys Inn.
The rest of Germany paid for Berlin and are still paying for it, theres all sorts of problems there. There is a huge amount of Vacant accomodation and the average wage wouldn't even be half that of Ireland.
Thats like comparing Dublin to Kenmare, Berlin is poor, the Average wage is very low.
I did, I drive 40,000 kms / year on German/Dutch roads, The German roads are not great. Alot of the tertiary roads would be on par with the roads in County Clare The German Motorways are miles behind the Dutch roads.
Why are you getting so aggressive ? Whats the issue here. I live here, I work here, I'm saying STUFF IS CHEAPER IN IRELAND. It used to be the case with the UK but since the Euro has dropped against the Sterling now you can get a better deal in Ireland.
The only thing thats significantly cheaper in Germany/Holland is Booze and Cigarettes, plus you have a much higher disposable income.
Can someone tell me how much a single person on 50k will be taxed in Ireland? Is it any better or worse (not counting the church tax which is no one's fault but your own). Anyway, you're on considerably more than I am, so that's why you're maying more tax.
So you HAVEN'T actually looked at hotel prices in Germany - you're just using one hotel? Well researched.
And your thread title doesn't say "cheaper" it says "bargain".
Health insuramce - A+E much quicker over here and you can get massage, chiropracty and othre alternative therapies are covered, not so the case in Ireland.
I'm out of here beachse most of your points have been shown by me and others to be inaccurate (tax coparisons to similar income in Ireland), badly researched (hotels, beer, city travel - and not just in Berlin, other people have been comparing Munich) or on a poor comparison as you don't take standard of product into account when comparing (health, roads).Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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Can someone tell me how much a single person on 50k will be taxed in Ireland? Is it any better or worse (not counting the church tax which is no one's fault but your own). Anyway, you're on considerably more than I am, so that's why you're maying more tax.
Never said thats what I earned, if you actually read the post you'd know that.
I'll do you a favour, click the link
On 50,000 eurios / year net is roughly 3005 euros / month over 13 months its roughly 2770 euros.So you HAVEN'T actually looked at hotel prices in Germany - you're just using one hotel? Well researched.
Hotel with an 's' on the end means plural in the English language. The company has a whole team of people dedicated to finding the most cost effective hotel accomodation. I do visit other places in Germany you knowAnd your thread title doesn't say "cheaper" it says "bargain".
Yup, bargain, just booked a trip back to Ireland for 7 days .. Car Rental is costing 83 euros including the Airport pickup fee
Rent about 8 - 10 times a year, Irelands always consistantly cheaper.Health insuramce - A+E much quicker over here and you can get massage, chiropracty and othre alternative therapies are covered, not so the case in Ireland.
Alernative therapy is covered on VHI, Lifestage Plan.
http://www.vhi.ie/pdf/products/TOBForwardL1.pdf
Acupuncturists, Chiropractors, Osteopaths, Physical therapists, Reflexologists visits
But its not a 'legal' requirement in Ireland as theres is still the public health service.
The quality of Healthcare in Germany depends on where you are and if they are not on strike. In Germany you do not get the option, you HAVE to take out the standard Healthcare, unless you manage to get out of tariff and get your own private policy. Its a normalised system so your paying for everyones risk even if you don't smoke or are not over 65.I'm out of here beachse most of your points have been shown by me and others to be inaccurate (tax coparisons to similar income in Ireland), badly researched (hotels, beer, city travel - and not just in Berlin, other people have been comparing Munich) or on a poor comparison as you don't take standard of product into account when comparing (health, roads).
Seems to be a feature of boards.. theres the odd nutter on here
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but you do that here, too - through your PRSI and the health levy.
And then you still have the 'standards' issue. My GP in Germany had their own lab for basic tests - here, my smear tests are sent to AMERICA! Go figure...
I won't necessarily say that the German system is the best there is, but all in all, it is cheaper over there, when you compare it like for like.
What's a rip-off in Germany is the church tax. Undoubtedly. But you don't have to pay it if you don't want to (but won't get any of the church-related services (weddings, funerals, etc) either - depends on how comfortable you are with that). And the solidarity tax - 20 years later an they're still paying for the East, that's a joke.
One thing that's cheaper here though: Cat food. Not by much, but it's cheaper. 0 -
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