2010 GAA Hurling Rankings

Daysha

Tis that time of year again! (2009, 2008 and 2007 threads)

I was going to do the points system again, but while adding it up I realised how 'off' the system was. Things like Cork getting more points than Waterford in the Championship just because they got to play an All-Ireland QF just doesn't make sense. So I'll just post my own guesses on how the table should look and everyone else can do the same.

My table:

1st: Tipperary
2nd: Kilkenny
3rd: Waterford
4th: Galway
5th: Cork
6th: Wexford
7th: Dublin
8th: Offaly
9th: Clare
10th: Antrim
11th: Laois
12th: Carlow
13th: Limerick

1st and 2nd is obvious. 3rd-5th is tricky but in the end when it comes to winning competitions it'll always be Munster > NHL > 2 runners-up. But then again if you were going to go for consistent performances rather than trophies won then it'd probably be different.

The lower half of the table is such a toss-up because there was a complete mis-match of results....Dublin beating Clare but losing to Antrim, Wexford winning Division 2 but not a single C'ship game, Antrim having a shocking league but still reached an AI QF, it was all a bit all over the place. But that's what I went for in the end.

For those interested here's how the table looks using the 2009 points system:

1st: Tipperary - 96 points
2nd: Kilkenny - 66
3rd: Cork - 62
4th: Galway - 54
5th: Waterford - 50
=6th: Offaly - 22
=6th: Dublin - 22
=8th: Antrim - 18
=8th: Laois - 18
10th: Wexford - 16
11th: Clare - 15
12th: Carlow - 14
13th: Limerick - 0

dcr22B

I'd definitely swap Offaly with Wexford for starters.

Bill2673

dcr22B wrote: »

I'd definitely swap Offaly with Wexford for starters.

Me too.

yahoo_moe

My table:

1st: Tipperary
2nd: Kilkenny
3rd Waterford
4= Cork
4= Galway
6th: Offaly
7th: Dublin
8= Wexford
8= Clare
8= Antrim
11th: Laois
12th: Carlow
13th: Limerick

Agree about Offaly.

Having expected Waterford to give Tipp a much better game, I'd also argue for Cork to be more equal with the two above them. Galway ultimately didn't do that much, though it was entertaining viewing. I'm just leaving Waterford ahead of the other two but I'd be tempted by a 3-way tie in 3rd.

While Antrim had a poor league, and were handed the game against Dublin in some ways, they still deserve more credit for their championship than Wexford and Clare so I'll bump them up into tied 8th too. Plus they won the Ulster Championship Dublin are almost in that tie too but I think there's a bit of a gap.

TheMilkyPirate

I'm from wexford and even i'd have dublin and offaly above us maybe even clare. Wexford hurling is a shambles at the moment.

aidan24326

1. Tipperary
2. Kilkenny

No argument about 1st and 2nd

3. Galway
4. Waterford
5. Cork

I've gone with Galway in 3rd for winning the league title and getting much closer to Tipp than Waterford did. Waterford ahead of Cork for winning the Munster title.

6. Offaly
7. Dublin
8. Wexford
9. Clare
10. Antrim
11. Laois
12. Carlow

Offaly improving all the time so I put them top of this group. Dublin had a disastorus loss to Antrim but they're a still a better team than the Saffron men. Wexford and Clare languishing in mediocrity right now though Clare are at least showing some spark at underage, with Wexford going backwards.

I haven't bothered to rank Limerick at all as we weren't watching their real team in action.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Such a shame there's such a lack of teams. Hopefully Kerry and Armagh will have teams in Liam soon.

aidan24326

THFC wrote: »

Such a shame there's such a lack of teams. Hopefully Kerry and Armagh will have teams in Liam soon.

Always been the same; Kilkenny, Cork and Tippeary have won the vast majority of All-Ireland hurling titles and that shows no signs of changing. It's a shame that possibly the greatest sport in the world is played at the highest level by such a small number of teams.

tomdadude

aidan24326 wrote: »

1. Tipperary
2. Kilkenny

No argument about 1st and 2nd

3. Galway
4. Waterford
5. Cork

I've gone with Galway in 3rd for winning the league title and getting much closer to Tipp than Waterford did. Waterford ahead of Cork for winning the Munster title.

I'd agree with this entirely.Galway put Tipp to the pin of their collar and I'd be very confident in them beating Waterford had they met.Waterford in turn beat Cork so are deservedly ranked above them.

Le King

tomdadude wrote: »

I'd agree with this entirely.Galway put Tipp to the pin of their collar and I'd be very confident in them beating Waterford had they met.Waterford in turn beat Cork so are deservedly ranked above them.

TBF Tipp never got composed in that game. The half back line had a complete off day.

I'd love to see Waterford v Galway though. Would be a good match. I think Waterford, last year, would of nicked it.

deisedude

Since the return of school and college coincides with the end of the season i'm going to give my rankings in the form of a school report:D

Tipperary-Caught not doing their homework by Mr Cork at the start of term but has knuckled down and has been the model student ever since

Kilkenny-Consistently top of the class for a few years. Still excellent but will feel aggrieved that Tipperary did better this year

Waterford- Very consistent and hard working but a little lacking to get full honours. Will be particularly happy with result in Munster

Galway- Great potential but yet again their results don't match this. Did better in the Pre

Cork- Studied hard at the start of the year and did well but results after didn't quite live up to that great start

Wexford- Performed well early in the year at ordinary level. Not cut out for higher level

Dublin- Clealy a smart student with a bright future but a bit cocky and failed what should have been the routine Antrim exam

Offaly- Making good strides but not near the top of the class yet

Clare- A bit younger than the other classmates. Another year at this level may do them the world of good

Antrim- Surpassed expectations but a little naive

Laois- Struggling at this level but does their best

Carlow- see Laois

Limerick- Didn't turn up for class

yahoo_moe

tomdadude wrote: »

Waterford in turn beat Cork so are deservedly ranked above them.

And Cork in turn beat Tipperary... and Tipperary in turn beat KK... who in turn beat Cork. Oh wait :eek:

Le King wrote: »

I'd love to see Waterford v Galway though. Would be a good match. I think Waterford, last year, would of nicked it.

In fairness, we got it the season before this one. But you're right - Waterford nicked it!

zinx

Daysha wrote: »

Tis that time of year again! (2009, 2008 and 2007 threads)

I was going to do the points system again, but while adding it up I realised how 'off' the system was. Things like Cork getting more points than Waterford in the Championship just because they got to play an All-Ireland QF just doesn't make sense. So I'll just post my own guesses on how the table should look and everyone else can do the same.

My table:

1st: Tipperary
2nd: Kilkenny
3rd: Waterford
4th: Galway
5th: Cork
6th: Wexford
7th: Dublin
8th: Offaly
9th: Clare
10th: Antrim
11th: Laois
12th: Carlow
13th: Limerick

1st and 2nd is obvious. 3rd-5th is tricky but in the end when it comes to winning competitions it'll always be Munster > NHL > 2 runners-up. But then again if you were going to go for consistent performances rather than trophies won then it'd probably be different.

The lower half of the table is such a toss-up because there was a complete mis-match of results....Dublin beating Clare but losing to Antrim, Wexford winning Division 2 but not a single C'ship game, Antrim having a shocking league but still reached an AI QF, it was all a bit all over the place. But that's what I went for in the end.

For those interested here's how the table looks using the 2009 points system:

1st: Tipperary - 96 points
2nd: Kilkenny - 66
3rd: Cork - 62
4th: Galway - 54
5th: Waterford - 50
=6th: Offaly - 22
=6th: Dublin - 22
=8th: Antrim - 18
=8th: Laois - 18
10th: Wexford - 16
11th: Clare - 15
12th: Carlow - 14
13th: Limerick - 0[/QU

A load of cobblers...
Kilkenny are still no.1.
One defeat in 5 years of championship hurling and lost to a back door bandit.
Their centre back and centre forward operating with cruciate ligament injuries and the collective pressure of going for an unprecedented 5 in a row was just a hurdle too much.

Watch what happens next year...

Daysha

zinx wrote: »

A load of cobblers...
Kilkenny are still no.1.
One defeat in 5 years of championship hurling and lost to a back door bandit.
Their centre back and centre forward operating with cruciate ligament injuries and the collective pressure of going for an unprecedented 5 in a row was just a hurdle too much.

Watch what happens next year...

The rankings are for 2010, not 2006-2010. Tipperary were the best team this year, are All-Ireland champions and fully deserve first place.

I thought even the vast majority of Kilkenny fans had admitted to that?

zinx

Daysha wrote: »

The rankings are for 2010, not 2006-2010. Tipperary were the best team this year, are All-Ireland champions and fully deserve first place.

I thought even the vast majority of Kilkenny fans had admitted to that?

Correction: The vast majority of Kilkenny fans admit that Tipp were the best team on the DAY of the final and not all year.

They were hammered by Cork and barely scrapped by Galway and unfortunatly caught us on the hop.

Anyway,Tipp deserved to win but as for being the best team...I dont think so.I would normally grade a team on their exploits over the course of the year and not on one match.

Jeboa Safari

I'd go with this, based on overall strength:

1st: Kilkenny
2nd: Tipperary
3rd: Galway
4th: Waterford
5th: Cork
6th: Offaly
7th: Dublin
8th: Clare
9th: Wexford
10th: Limerick
11th: Antrim
12th: Laois
13th: Carlow

Wouldn't mind seeing the like of Kerry, Down, Westmeath taking part in a preliminary round to qualify for the Liam McCarthey, or whatever teams are in division 2 at the time.

deisedude

zinx wrote: »

Correction: The vast majority of Kilkenny fans admit that Tipp were the best team on the DAY of the final and not all year.

They were hammered by Cork and barely scrapped by Galway and unfortunatly caught us on the hop.

Anyway,Tipp deserved to win but as for being the best team...I dont think so.I would normally grade a team on their exploits over the course of the year and not on one match.

Caught ye on the hop me bollox. Everyone knew Tipp were going to give Kilkenny a game.

Tipperary are All Ireland champions and the best team this year. End of discussion

zinx

deisedude wrote: »

Caught ye on the hop me bollox. Everyone knew Tipp were going to give Kilkenny a game.

Tipperary are All Ireland champions and the best team this year. End of discussion

Another Blaa enters...
And pro Tipp...
Surprise surprise...;-))

The best team does not go out and get hammered by Cork in the first round of the championship.

End of discussion.

deisedude

zinx wrote: »

Another Blaa enters...
And pro Tipp...
Surprise surprise...;-))

The best team does not go out and get hammered by Cork in the first round of the championship.

End of discussion.

I actually feel dirty standing up for Tipp:D

derealbadger

im a Galway man but Tipp were the best team this year and i think last year as well KK were very lucky to win last year so going on about being caught on the hop is a bit ritch

Deise Tom

Daysha wrote: »

Tis that time of year again! (2009, 2008 and 2007 threads)

I was going to do the points system again, but while adding it up I realised how 'off' the system was. Things like Cork getting more points than Waterford in the Championship just because they got to play an All-Ireland QF just doesn't make sense. So I'll just post my own guesses on how the table should look and everyone else can do the same.

My table:

1st: Tipperary
2nd: Kilkenny
3rd: Waterford
4th: Galway
5th: Cork
6th: Wexford
7th: Dublin
8th: Offaly
9th: Clare
10th: Antrim
11th: Laois
12th: Carlow
13th: Limerick

1st and 2nd is obvious. 3rd-5th is tricky but in the end when it comes to winning competitions it'll always be Munster > NHL > 2 runners-up. But then again if you were going to go for consistent performances rather than trophies won then it'd probably be different.

The lower half of the table is such a toss-up because there was a complete mis-match of results....Dublin beating Clare but losing to Antrim, Wexford winning Division 2 but not a single C'ship game, Antrim having a shocking league but still reached an AI QF, it was all a bit all over the place. But that's what I went for in the end.

For those interested here's how the table looks using the 2009 points system:

1st: Tipperary - 96 points
2nd: Kilkenny - 66
3rd: Cork - 62
4th: Galway - 54
5th: Waterford - 50
=6th: Offaly - 22
=6th: Dublin - 22
=8th: Antrim - 18
=8th: Laois - 18
10th: Wexford - 16
11th: Clare - 15
12th: Carlow - 14
13th: Limerick - 0

Can you explain the points system

Thanks

dastardly00

These are my rankings for 2010:

1st: Tipperary
2nd: Kilkenny

Tipp are the best team of 2010. End of story. They won the All-Ireland, so naturally should be ranked as the best team. KK are a very close 2nd place.

3rd: Galway
==: Waterford

Very tight between Galway (NHL winners, could have beat Tipp) and Waterford (Munster champs, reached All-Ireland semi), too hard to call.

5th: Cork

Great result against Tipp and reached All-Ireland semi but I don't think they should be ranked ahead of Galway and Waterford.

6th: Offaly

2 great matches against Galway, beat Limerick and then lost to Tipp. Nobody thought they would be able to put it up against Galway twice.

7th: Dublin
8th: Clare

Dublin ahead of Clare as they knocked them out of the championship, both teams are young and up-and-coming. Dublin slipped up badly against Antrim.

9th: Antrim
10th: Wexford
11th: Laois
12th: Carlow
13th: Limerick

Antrim ahead of the rest as they beat Dublin and gave Offaly a good match.

With regards to the debate between who should be ranked 1st..... as I said Tipp should be No. 1 for 2010. If the rankings were for 2006-2010, then I don't think anyone could argue that KK should be No. 1. If it was for 2000-2010, KK would be No. 1 overall.

grenache

You can't rank Limerick this year as we didn't have our first team to put out, so just the 12 teams please.

Henno30

1. Tipperary
2. Kilkenny
3. Waterford
4. Galway
5. Cork
6. Offaly
7. Dublin
8. Wexford
9. Antrim
10. Clare
11. Laois
12. Carlow
13. Limerick

I think it's only right to put Tipp in poll position. I would always recognise the championship as being three tiered but I think Offaly have made great strides in closing the gap between 6th and 5th. Next year will be a big year for them and they'll be disappointed if they don't beat one of the teams in the eading pack.

Dublin, Wexford, Antrim, Clare have all had mixed bags of years. Dublin were remarkably inconsistent all year long and followed up an impressive showing v Clare with a surprise defeat to Antrim. These teams are all fairly evenly matched and you'd be forgiven for thinking Dublin got a bit ahead of themselves.

Wexford won their league which had to be their primary objective. I'm sure their good showing against Galway was related to them being so geared towards the early part of the year. They were abysmal against Tipp which damaged the positive atmosphere somewhat. Antrim all in all had a good year, it would have been much better if they had held out and beaten Offaly in Leinster. Still, the Dublin result gave them a big win in Croke Park and they'll challenge for league promotion next spring.

Clare introduced an awful lot of new players this year so they have that in the plus column. They got a rude awakening in Div 2 however and should have been beaten by both Carlow and Antrim. Missed their chance at promotion against a hungrier Wexford. Now face an uphill battle with Donal O'Grady in the hot seat across the river. The championship yielded a very encouraging display against Waterford, followed by an absolutely disastrous showing against Dublin. Need promotion badly.

Carlow had a good return to the Liam McCarthy competition. Beat Laois in dramatic fashion in the qualifiers and had Antrim beaten before a late rally pipped them at the post. Laois can't be too happy. Poor enough performance against Dublin and then knocked out by Carlow. Bad year for them.

Finally Limerick could expect to be nowhere else after their year. An utter disaster and justification you would think for the banishment of the entire county board. Will be aiming for promotion next year.

JamieK

zinx wrote: »

Another Blaa enters...
And pro Tipp...
Surprise surprise...;-))

The best team does not go out and get hammered by Cork in the first round of the championship.

End of discussion.

The best team also doesn't get beaten by 8 points on AI Final day!

flahavaj

zinx wrote: »

Another Blaa enters...
And pro Tipp...
Surprise surprise...;-))

The best team does not go out and get hammered by Cork in the first round of the championship.

End of discussion.

LOL. Still smarting I see.

zinx

Not at all.
Just pointing out a few facts

leeds87

And a fact is the best team dont get beaten by 8 points in the all ireland final, wouldn't you agree?

Gerard.C

How in the name of god were KK caught on the hop? Were they not expecting Tipp to turn up or whats the story?

dirtyden

zinx wrote: »

Not at all.
Just pointing out a few facts

Fact, Kilkenny were jinxed in 2009 and well beaten in 2010, Tipp should be going for a 3 in a row next year rather than Kilkenny's ultimately unsuccessful 'drive for five' this year.

zinx

dirtyden wrote: »

Fact, Kilkenny were jinxed in 2009 and well beaten in 2010, Tipp should be going for a 3 in a row next year rather than Kilkenny's ultimately unsuccessful 'drive for five' this year.

FACTS?? Lets have some then...

3 in a row? Ye lads are getting some strange ideas for a county that has won 5(Antrim being one of them) in the last 39 years.FACT!

KK won by 5 points last year,the disputed goal was worth 3 points.FACT!

Anyway Tipp were the better team on the day and deserved their win even though I think changes could have been made earlier on, that would have given us a better chance.
Roll on next year and lets hope we stop Tipps big push for 2 in a row.

dirtyden

zinx wrote: »

FACTS?? Lets have some then...

3 in a row? Ye lads are getting some strange ideas for a county that has won 5(Antrim being one of them) in the last 39 years.FACT!

KK won by 5 points last year,the disputed goal was worth 3 points.FACT!

Anyway Tipp were the better team on the day and deserved their win even though I think changes could have been made earlier on, that would have given us a better chance.
Roll on next year and lets hope we stop Tipps big push for 2 in a row.

Im sure ye will have a good go at it anyhow.

However there were 2 disputed goals (FACT), and Jackie tyrell was a very lucky man to be still on the field last year(FACT) a mere 10 mins into the game, always ifs and buts in every game though.

I was only semi-serious with my 3 in a row comment.

We are beginning to sound like Rafa Benitez quoting points of view as fact.

Daysha

zinx wrote: »

KK won by 5 points last year,the disputed goal was worth 3 points.FACT!

Because the remainder of the match would've played out EXACTLY the same if the goal wasn't given yeah? :rolleyes:

zinx

Daysha wrote: »

Because the remainder of the match would've played out EXACTLY the same if the goal wasn't given yeah? :rolleyes:

If's and buts don't win All Irelands and neither will Waterford.:D

woodland guy

zinx wrote: »

FACTS?? Lets have some then...

3 in a row? Ye lads are getting some strange ideas for a county that has won 5(Antrim being one of them) in the last 39 years.FACT!

KK won by 5 points last year,the disputed goal was worth 3 points.FACT!

Anyway Tipp were the better team on the day and deserved their win even though I think changes could have been made earlier on, that would have given us a better chance.
Roll on next year and lets hope we stop Tipps big push for 2 in a row.

antrim been one of them is neither here nor there. They won their semi in 89 against offaly.
If thats the case kilkenny 4 in a row had two easy finals against waterford and limerick. Last year when a good team played them they were put to the pin of their collar. And then this year tipp were the superior team on the day when it counted. In september not in may.

zinx

woodland guy wrote: »

antrim been one of them is neither here nor there. They won their semi in 89 against offaly.
If thats the case kilkenny 4 in a row had two easy finals against waterford and limerick. Last year when a good team played them they were put to the pin of their collar. And then this year tipp were the superior team on the day when it counted. In september not in may.

I'd still take Antrim over Waterford/Limerick any day.
I agree with you over them being the better team.You would have to admire the way they got over being hockeyed down in Cork,coming in through the back door and barely scrapping past Galway,plus getting all the breaks in the final against a weakened team.

Great team so they are.

woodland guy

A weaked team? Wat this myth about kilkenny having 30 players as good as each other then? Henry is a great player there is no doubt. But him been off the field last month had no bearing on the result.

woodland guy

Plus if you say ten points is a hockeying then surely 8 points is not far away from been a hockeying either. Against apparently the greatest hurling team ever.

zinx

woodland guy wrote: »

A weaked team? Wat this myth about kilkenny having 30 players as good as each other then? Henry is a great player there is no doubt. But him been off the field last month had no bearing on the result.

If the best player on a team goes off injured then YES a team is weakened and off course it would matter to the result.

I'm not begrudging Tipps win,I'm only pointing out facts.
At the end off the day,Tipp won fair and square but I feel its a hollow victory when you come in through the back door and beat a weakened team(Hogan Shefflin--1st choice centre back and centre forward) and then you have lads on here ram ****ting about going for 3 in a row.

Please

Gerard.C

zinx wrote: »

If the best player on a team goes off injured then YES a team is weakened and off course it would matter to the result.

I'm not begrudging Tipps win,I'm only pointing out facts.
At the end off the day,Tipp won fair and square but I feel its a hollow victory when you come in through the back door and beat a weakened team(Hogan Shefflin--1st choice centre back and centre forward) and then you have lads on here ram ****ting about going for 3 in a row.

Please

Ha, was yer win last year hollow when the ref won the game for ye?

zinx

Gerard.C wrote: »

Ha, was yer win last year hollow when the ref won the game for ye?

We won fair and square,like ye lads did this year.

The only difference was that we won it through the front door and Tipp came in around the back.

9 years is a long time waiting so I suppose ye poor auld creatures would have no problems taking it through the "back door" lol

Fair dues but I would prefer to do it the real way and not have an asterix after our All Ireland final win.

Gerard.C

zinx wrote: »

We won fair and square,like ye lads did this year.

The only difference was that we won it through the front door and Tipp came in around the back.

9 years is a long time waiting so I suppose ye poor auld creatures would have no problems taking it through the "back door" lol

Fair dues but I would prefer to do it the real way and not have an asterix after our All Ireland final win.

You have to be taking the piss.

I'll tell Liam you miss him

dirtyden

zinx wrote: »

If's and buts don't win All Irelands and neither will Waterford.:D

But was that not the reasoning behind half your comments in this whole thread? If Henry this, or if Brian Hogan that (and for the record is Tennyson not your first choice centre back, not Brian). While Henry was in the field Tipp were 1-4 to 0-1 up?

I will give you something though like a true Kilkenny man you do not give even though you are being resoundly beaten here.

zinx

dirtyden wrote: »

But was that not the reasoning behind half your comments in this whole thread? If Henry this, or if Brian Hogan that (and for the record is Tennyson not your first choice centre back, not Brian). While Henry was in the field Tipp were 1-4 to 0-1 up?

I will give you something though like a true Kilkenny man you do not give even though you are being resoundly beaten here.

Of course it was the reasoning but everyone knows,that at the end of the day, the ifs and buts don't cut the mustard.I only mentioned it to get a little rise out of the Deise lad!

I don't necessarily agree with being beaten here as all I was doing was pointing out a few things and accepting that we were beaten by a better team on the day.

I will agree that we don't give in too easily as well.

Sure isn't that one of the reasons why we are sitting pretty on top of the REAL hurling rankings?

Daysha

zinx wrote: »

Of course it was the reasoning but everyone knows,that at the end of the day, the ifs and buts don't cut the mustard.I only mentioned it to get a little rise out of the Deise lad!

Troll (n): someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant messages in an online community with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response.

woodland guy

Okay 3 in a row for next year is bull as you said.
I can see some great battles between us and ye in the next few years ahead and long may it last. Teams have periods of dominance kilkenny had theirs for last few years. Thats history now.
I hope tipp win some of the battles and if we dont lets hope they are as good as the games for last two years. Cos if they are hurling will be the only winner. And thats wat hurling needs. And will be shown for wat it truely is the greatest game in the world.

zinx

woodland guy wrote: »

Okay 3 in a row for next year is bull as you said.
I can see some great battles between us and ye in the next few years ahead and long may it last. Teams have periods of dominance kilkenny had theirs for last few years. Thats history now.
I hope tipp win some of the battles and if we dont lets hope they are as good as the games for last two years. Cos if they are hurling will be the only winner. And thats wat hurling needs. And will be shown for wat it truely is the greatest game in the world.

Spoken like a true gael.

shockframe

1st: Kilkenny - Still the team to fear and will recover quickly from the all ireland final defeat.
2nd: Tipperary - On the up yes and will add to their collection but dont have the overall depth to dominate like kilkenny.
3rd: Galway - 3rd just because they have stood still and others have gone back.Could beat the top 2 on their day but could lose to 3-13 also.3rd meaning they could beat themselves.
4th: Cork - "Down the dumper" for sometime but not as bad as whats being painted.
5th: Waterford - For a county in transition since 08 they have done well to stay in the hunt.God knows whats going on there but waterford fans would want to get rid of any notions of bringing back champagne hurling or there could be some pain on the way."
6th: Clare - A dire season.Perhaps their worst post-95 but have the underage to fall back on.Overall lots to be positive with a new crop on the way.
7th: Dublin - Again a disappointing season but have good structures in place and will reap the benefits soon.need to make all ireland semi by 2012/13 though to make it count.
8th: Limerick - Could be number 32 if it was based on politics and general gombeenism.A bit behind clare in terms of underage but could rattle anyone on their day.
9th: Offaly - Did okay this year against Galway but still hard to imagine them being a force.good manager in place though.
10th: Wexford - Going backwards by the looks of it.their performance against tipp was one of the poorest of the season.
11th: Kerry - A surprise inclusion here yes but one to keep an eye on.Good manager in John Meyler and getting the most out of his players.could upset 1/2 sides in the league.
12th: Antrim - A minor success this year but always capable of disappearing soon after.Geography will always hinder them.
13th: Laois - ditto.
14th Carlow - Would love to see them make an impact but only 6 clubs in the county.hard to see them reaching the top table as a result.

eroo

@ shockframe

How was this Clare's worst season since 95?? Improvements were made, a team is being built and we gave a good showing against Waterford!

2009 was the worst.. only 1 win in an entire season, in a meaningless relegation match!

Daysha

@ shockframe

Limerick ahead of Offaly? Could you elaborate on that one?

shockframe

eroo wrote: »

@ shockframe

How was this Clare's worst season since 95?? Improvements were made, a team is being built and we gave a good showing against Waterford!

2009 was the worst.. only 1 win in an entire season, in a meaningless relegation match!

the way in which Clare struggled to beat eager but limited teams throughout the league and their shocking performance in the league final would ultimately mean a poor year from what I can see .

The first half display against Waterford was encouraging alright but Clare were not at the races against a Dublin team that were disappointing throughout the year.

Anyways I wouldn't have thiought many would argue with Clare being 6th.they have the makings of a fine side alright but for me they were as weak this year as they were pre-gerlock era.