To buy a new Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI

newtoboards

Right looking to buy a new car and on paper the 1.6 Tdi looks fantastic. Looking to get the elegance model. Anyone currently own one of these? I don't want to be drawn by the sales man but he did really push it over the 1.9 engine.

si_guru

Elegance is nice... and Ambiente with the "small leather pack" comes near. That new 1.6 is lovely too.. expect 60+mpg.

The Express

Check out briskoda, very good site. Has a thread running about the 1.6 CR diesel and peoples' experience since it's launch last year.

It appears that the manufacturer's quoted mpg figures are miles off. The noisy (but torquey) 1.9 still has a following.

Very surprised at the number of underwhelmed 1.6 owners posting.

Saab Ed

Try a Renault Grand Megane before you buy anything. Better economy , more space , longer warranty and much cheaper

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newtoboards

Already drove the 1.9 and loved it. Going to drive a 1.6 on Saturday. Read through Briskoda forums and not good feedback at all. I will check out the Renault too in the coming weeks. Already ruled out Toyota and KIA so the search continues

frank gooding

My dad got a 1.6 tdi elegance estate a few months ago.

Very impressed by how well the 1.6 pulls.

Reading up the 1.6 is the exact same figures as the 1.9 with band A road tax.

The kit is excellent too the touch screen radio has built in bluetooth for phone that works very well.

The Elegance is the way to go mind.

-Corkie-

frank gooding wrote: »

My dad got a 1.6 tdi elegance estate a few months ago.

Very impressed by how well the 1.6 pulls.

Reading up the 1.6 is the exact same figures as the 1.9 with band A road tax.

The kit is excellent too the touch screen radio has built in bluetooth for phone that works very well.

The Elegance is the way to go mind.

I have driven the vw passat 1.6 which has the same engine and was impressed with the power. The 104 euro road tax is very tempting op.

newtoboards

It's the road tax that has me with the 1.6. However if the 104euro tax means that fuel economy and car performance are compromised then I'm better off going for the 1.9.

Frank gooding has your dad complained about the fuel economy or the performance in the lower range?

newtoboards

One final question. What else does the elegance have do you know off hand. Current car has heated seats and aircon but is old and needs to be put down. I don't want to do without those creature comforts.

R.O.R

newtoboards wrote: »

One final question. What else does the elegance have do you know off hand. Current car has heated seats and aircon but is old and needs to be put down. I don't want to do without those creature comforts.

Climate control A/C is standard on the Elegance, but heated seats are extra. They were €232 on a 2.0Tdi Elegance in Jan this year so I'd expect the same or a bit less on the 1.6Tdi this year.

Last brochure I bothered to download is from December 09, but specification looks right for the Elegance.

The 1.6Tdi doesn't have the low down torque of the 1.9 engine. The max power and torque figures are the same for both engines, but power delivery is later in the rev range on the 1.6.

I had a Passat 1.6Tdi for a couple of weeks earlier this year and was getting fuel consumption of around 4.8l/100km. The performance was getting better the more mileage that was on the car.

If you are test driving one, hopefully it has a bit of mileage on it. I've driven 1.6Tdi's with delivery mileage on and they are awful, but the same can be said for a lot of diesels. They seem to open up with a bit of mileage on them.

mullingar

Poor low torque would turn me right off the 1.6TDI.

IMO This the low torque in the 1.9/2.0 was the main point of these engines that made them so drivable/usable

I would still go for the 1.9 or 2.0 every time. The tax is only an extra €1/week

newtoboards

Thanks ROR, I know this is a question I have to answer myself but would you put your money on a new 1.6 or 1.9? Tomorrow hopefully I'll be in a better position to answer this myself. One of the guys in work described it as driving like a petrol which I thought was nonsense but the people on briskoda have scared me into thinking I'm getting a petrol car cruelly masquerading as a diesel. Also the heated seats are definitely going on the list considering the aircon is standard.

bazz26

I thought the 1.9 has now been discontinued and replaced by the 1.6?

newtoboards

bazz26 wrote: »

I thought the 1.9 has now been discontinued and replaced by the 1.6?

No it's there and I've already driven the 1.9 but haven't had a chance to drive a 1.6

-Corkie-

newtoboards wrote: »

No it's there and I've already driven the 1.9 but haven't had a chance to drive a 1.6

The 1.9 is 105bhp the same as the 1.6. Tax is 156 euro on the 1.9. Its the older engine like what the 05-09 passat had. Get the 1.6 op it will be a better reseller.

EPM

Depends how long you're keeping it. If only a couple of years I'd get the 1.6 but any longer I'd personally prefer the older engine noise and all. A few people on seatcupra.net are complaining about the 1.6's economy too if it helps

newtoboards

EPM wrote: »

Depends how long you're keeping it. If only a couple of years I'd get the 1.6 but any longer I'd personally prefer the older engine noise and all. A few people on seatcupra.net are complaining about the 1.6's economy too if it helps

Yes most drivers seem to be complaining on the boards. Hopefully by tomorrow I'll have my mind made up to go for it or not as the case may be.
The resale is another very good point too for sure.

Slogger Jogger

I've an 06 Octavia 1.9. Fuel economy is consistently good. 5.0l/100km avg.

bazz26

newtoboards wrote: »

No it's there and I've already driven the 1.9 but haven't had a chance to drive a 1.6

Well it must be left over old stock then as the 1.6 is replacing the old 1.9 across the VAG range.

newtoboards

bazz26 wrote: »

Well it must be left over old stock then as the 1.6 is replacing the old 1.9 across the VAG range.

I don't care why it's available. I know the choice between 1.6 and 1.9 is there at the moment. Just went onto skoda's Ireland website to be sure and here's the current price and specs details: http://www.skoda.ie/IRL/Documents/New_Octavia/Octavia%20Price%20and%20Spec%20Jan%2019.pdf

R.O.R

newtoboards wrote: »

Thanks ROR, I know this is a question I have to answer myself but would you put your money on a new 1.6 or 1.9? Tomorrow hopefully I'll be in a better position to answer this myself. One of the guys in work described it as driving like a petrol which I thought was nonsense but the people on briskoda have scared me into thinking I'm getting a petrol car cruelly masquerading as a diesel. Also the heated seats are definitely going on the list considering the aircon is standard.

Even with the negative reports, I'd still go for the 1.6 version.

We have a few on fleet in Octavia's, Golf's, A3's and Passat's and I haven't heard anything negative yet. Haven't heard anything positive either, infact haven't heard anything at all from any of the drivers.

One of the first A3's with that engine that we put out in the first week of January was in this week for it's first service and that's the first thing that's been done to it so reliability seems OK up to 30,000km.

I suspect that the fuel economy, like the performace, will get better the more mileage goes on it.

bazz26 wrote: »

Well it must be left over old stock then as the 1.6 is replacing the old 1.9 across the VAG range.

It's been listed as available in the Octavia all year, and is still going in to the Superb, but I hear it's going to replace the 1.9 in the Superb next year. Not sure it's going to be up to that job - just about gets away with it in the Passat. Re-geared it might work like an S80 1.6.

Got price lists in yesterday for the new Touran and the 1.9 has been dropped in favour of the 1.6 so it looks like it's on the way out of the whole VAG range soon.

newtoboards

Thanks a million ROR that was very informative. I'll bear what you said about performance mileage in mind when driving that car today. Fingers crossed by this evening Ill have bought a new car. Wish I could afford a new A3 with that engine but the octavia will have to do as I want to buy new.

R.O.R

newtoboards wrote: »

Thanks a million ROR that was very informative. I'll bear what you said about performance mileage in mind when driving that car today. Fingers crossed by this evening Ill have bought a new car. Wish I could afford a new A3 with that engine but the octavia will have to do as I want to buy new.

Good Luck on the test drive.

The Octavia is the better buy than the A3. Comes without the 3k 4 ring tax applied to Audi products

If you are looking for an Octy Elegance with heated seats it's more than likely a factory order, and should arrive to Ireland around Feb/March time - 2011 if you are lucky.

Just kidding, but it's either a very late 2010 car, or realistically a Jan 2011 car.

newtoboards

Thanks ROR and all.

Zonda999

bazz26 wrote: »

Well it must be left over old stock then as the 1.6 is replacing the old 1.9 across the VAG range.

Nope, its not old stock, it can definitely still be ordered, that may end soon enough though

A relative who works in a skoda dealer though, has told me that they've had a few people with clogged DPF's, this is an issue for people who don't shove on their cars at all

newtoboards

Well drove the car and although it feels a fair bit flat initially when you put the boot down it really goes. Now going to price around and buy I think and will definitely try to include a few extras. I can happily wait till next year for my new car

newtoboards

Well bought the 1.6 and driving it now a week. I love the drive and Im sure over time the fuel economy will improve. I'm still running in the car so not going as mad as I would like. One downfall is that the running in instructions in the manual are pretty vague and the sales dude in the garage was useless for advice. Not once did I get a call back during the last month when trying to get a date when my car would be in. They also tried to renegotiate the agreed price in their favour. I had rubber mats in the car initially which didn't fit properly and had to ask for the fabric mats to be fitted even though I asked for them in the first place. I will never ever deal with the garage in question again unless I am using my warranty. Very poor purchasing experience but the car more than makes up for it.

efwren

Hi newtoboards,

Do you mind me asking what dealer you were using?

drumzone

newtoboards wrote: »

bazz26 wrote: »

I thought the 1.9 has now been discontinued and replaced by the 1.6?

No it's there and I've already driven the 1.9 but haven't had a chance to drive a 1.6

I own a 2010 elegance model,1.6 tdi. A top notch car in every way...... But a bloody pain to drive in town or slow moving traffic. Just dosent have the usability of my older 1.9. You will find yourself going from 1-2 gear none stop. Having said that,when on the motorway it's in it's element. So,loves the open road,hates going slow.

Bigron78

Hi,
Just wondering how the car is going for you now, a few months down the line?

I am currently looking to buy a 2011 Octavia - either 1.6 or 2.0. Only €500 difference in price, tax and insurance not much higher either. I have test driven both and obviously the 2.0 has bigger power and acceleration. However, I (like most of us) am looking for the more economic vehicle. 1.6 has only 11k km and 2.0 24k km so probably not driven in properly yet.

I'm changing from a 1.4 petrol Golf so it won't be hard to find the savings in both!

Any opinions or views would be greatly received..............

R.O.R

Bigron78 wrote: »

Hi,
Just wondering how the car is going for you now, a few months down the line?

I am currently looking to buy a 2011 Octavia - either 1.6 or 2.0. Only €500 difference in price, tax and insurance not much higher either. I have test driven both and obviously the 2.0 has bigger power and acceleration. However, I (like most of us) am looking for the more economic vehicle. 1.6 has only 11k km and 2.0 24k km so probably not driven in properly yet.

I'm changing from a 1.4 petrol Golf so it won't be hard to find the savings in both!

Any opinions or views would be greatly received..............

What type of driving will you be doing? If it's mainly motorway work you'd probably find that the 2.0Tdi is better on fuel than the 1.6.

If it's only €500 difference and an additional 13,000km then it's no real quandry in my opninion.

Bigron78

Currently doing 18-20k miles/year. Mainly used for getting to work, gym etc. with long trips at weekend (Cork City - South Kerry) and various trips to events throughout the year. Both cars are Elegence trim and same anthracite grey colour!

Of course Mr. Salesman is pushing the 1.6, saying that will have better resale value, although realistically I'll hope to keep the car for over 5 years.

R.O.R

Based on them both being around the same price now, don't think there will ever be much between the 2.0Tdi and the 1.6Tdi, pricewise.

2.0Tdi will be nicer to drive, without being much worse (if any) on fuel. Tax is €225 on the 2.0Tdi against €160 on the 1.6Tdi, but I'd pay the extra €65 for the extra power.

bazz26

Is the 2011 Octy 2.0 TDi 110bhp or 140bhp? I remember that VAG introduced a 110bhp version of the 2.0 CR TDi as a stop gap until the 1.6 TDi arrived.

R.O.R

bazz26 wrote: »

Is the 2011 Octy 2.0 TDi 110bhp or 140bhp? I remember that VAG introduced a 110bhp version of the 2.0 CR TDi as a stop gap until the 1.6 TDi arrived.

Can't remember that ever being offered in the Octy - that still had the 1.9Tdi being sold alongside the 1.6Tdi.

Bigron78

2.0 Tdi is 140bhp. 1.6Tdi is 105bhp.

Although only €65 difference in tax now, what way will it be in 2-3 years? We have seen a near 60% rise in rates this year. It's possible that larger engines will revert back the old tax rate system?

It seems that car manufacturers are building smaller engines with lower emissions but maintain same power output.

bazz26

Bigron78 wrote: »

2.0 Tdi is 140bhp. 1.6Tdi is 105bhp.

Although only €65 difference in tax now, what way will it be in 2-3 years? We have seen a near 60% rise in rates this year. It's possible that larger engines will revert back the old tax rate system?

It seems that car manufacturers are building smaller engines with lower emissions but maintain same power output.

I'd gladly take the extra 35bhp, increased torque and extra gear for an additional €500. Resale value, I cannot see anything wrong with it, Octavia diesels have no problem finding new homes.

johnos1984

I test drove a Octavia 1.6TDI elegance yesterday and found it to be a fine car that was well finished. Certainly felt a lot nippier than my 1.9TDI Passat but then again it has a more modern engine, gearbox and a lighter body.

Having said that I felt a bit more power would have made it a nicer motorway car. Still it was a good car for the price. I never looked in the boot though

EPM

johnos1984 wrote: »

I test drove a Octavia 1.6TDI elegance yesterday and found it to be a fine car that was well finished. Certainly felt a lot nippier than my 1.9TDI Passat but then again it has a more modern engine, gearbox and a lighter body.

Having said that I felt a bit more power would have made it a nicer motorway car. Still it was a good car for the price. I never looked in the boot though

You know the car you should be buying;)

johnos1984

EPM wrote: »

You know the car you should be buying;)

I never looked in the boot of yours either.

I didn't want to spoil the surprise

...........plus yours seemed to be full of dirty underwear at the weekend

EPM

johnos1984 wrote: »

yours seemed to be full of dirty underwear at the weekend

That's never been said about an octy before anyway...






Plus it was clean!

johnos1984

EPM wrote: »

Plus it was clean!

I wasn't going close enough to find out

As said above, the 1.6TDI was about 73bhp down on power to what I want

bedirect

the 1.6 is more economic, unless pulling trailers, dont bother, the way the car tax is going you could be sorry you got a 1.9

Bigron78

Guys, thanks for all the replies.

As much as I like the 2.0, I am leaning towards the 1.6. Sufficient power for my needs.

BUT, the worry is that the engine is too small for a diesel? Issues with Renault 1.5 Dci and Peugeot 1.6 Hdi engines where the turbo has failed after relatively low mileage. In fact I'm sure these manufacturers have withdrawn the warranty on the turbo. However, I have not heard of such problems with the VAG 1.6 Tdi engine. Fingers crossed........

Leonard Hofstadter

Bigron78 wrote: »

Guys, thanks for all the replies.

As much as I like the 2.0, I am leaning towards the 1.6. Sufficient power for my needs.

BUT, the worry is that the engine is too small for a diesel? Issues with Renault 1.5 Dci and Peugeot 1.6 Hdi engines where the turbo has failed after relatively low mileage. In fact I'm sure these manufacturers have withdrawn the warranty on the turbo. However, I have not heard of such problems with the VAG 1.6 Tdi engine. Fingers crossed........

Nothing would surprise me about a Renault, but the only reason a Peugeot 1.6 HDi ever gives trouble with the turbo is because it is not serviced on time and/or the incorrect grade oil is used.

Irish people really need to learn the importance of servicing their cars on time!

EPM

In my opinion, the mileage difference is tiny. I've put 60k km on one in a year and they don't show wear and tear easily. Bar a slightly shinier steering wheel mine looks the same. I really think you should go for the 2 litre though. With a few people on board overtaking will be easier and the size speed box is very useful for getting the best from that engine.

mullingar

Bigron78 wrote: »

Guys, thanks for all the replies.

As much as I like the 2.0, I am leaning towards the 1.6. Sufficient power for my needs.

BUT, the worry is that the engine is too small for a diesel? Issues with Renault 1.5 Dci and Peugeot 1.6 Hdi engines where the turbo has failed after relatively low mileage. In fact I'm sure these manufacturers have withdrawn the warranty on the turbo. However, I have not heard of such problems with the VAG 1.6 Tdi engine. Fingers crossed........

The main cause of Any Turbo Failure is oil starvation or wrong type of oil, which would be excluded on any warranty. this includes VAGs.

Just make sure any turbo engine is serviced on time and with the right spec oil . If that's done you should have no warranty problems if it failed

Bigron78

Thanks for all the info lads.

Things have changed slightly over the past few days. the 2.0L is now out of the equation as it has been sold.

I was also initially trading a 03 Golf for either Octavia [€17500 (1.6l) or €18000 (2.0)]. However I have managed to sell the VW for €3k giving me a potential war-chest of ~€20500.

So, Mr Skoda now wants €20k cash for the 2011 1.6l Octavia elegence. He is only dropping €1k off the cash price (€21k). He is also offering a brand new 2012 for €22500.

Any opinions? I think he should come down to at least €19k for the 2011. I don't really want to buy a brand new car.

I also see there are plenty 2010 Avensis Strata (2.0) for sale out there ~19-20k with less than 30k miles. Although not a huge fan of Toyota's due to interiors, the wife has a 06 Corrolla which has never given us any trouble.

Confusion is nothing new to this household....

bazz26

I'd shop around for a better price if that particular dealer doesn't budge.

bazz26

Superb?


http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1113274219547110

colm_mcm

I'll see your base model superb and raise you a rehashed a4 with the 2.0 cr engine (which prob has negotian money to come off yet)

http://www.carzone.ie/search/SEAT/Exeo/2.0-Tdi-/201143205200868/advert?channel=CARS&featuredListingClickThru=true