The Music Shuffle Thread

Grindylow

So.. Shamelessly stolen from some other forum and decided we should have one \o/ :pac:

So anyway turn your iTunes/Windows Media Player/Whatever format of music player you have and post the first 10 here.

So mine goes:

Umbrella - Rihanna Feat Jay. Z
Poker Face - Lady Gaga
The Way The World Works - Pixie Lott
And I am telling you, I'm not going - Glee :pac:
Any way you wan't it/Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' - Glee :pac:
Paper Gangsta - Lady Gaga
Howl - Florence and the Machine
Bad Romance - Lady Gaga
Teenage Dream - Katy Perry
I'm Yours - The Script

*My iTunes is on my new laptop and I didn't put much music on it, don't judge me. :P

kev9100

1. The Specials-Ghost Town

2. Coldplay-What If

3. Gorillaz-Dare

4. Bruce Springstein-Tomorrow Never Knows

5. Beatie Boys-Slow Ride

6. Blur-We've got a File on You

7. Kasabian-Secret Alphabets

8. Bruce Springstein-The River (Great Tune)

9. Oasis-Morning Glory

10. Arctic Monkeys- I bet You Look Good on The Dancefloor.

That last one was a good way to end it.

Pigwidgeon

1. Judy and The Dream of Horses - Belle and Sebastian
2. White Horse - Taylor Swift
3. Knights of Cydonia - Muse
4. Rip It Up - Razorlight
5. Right Behind You - Brandon Flowers
6. I Remember - Damien Rice
7. We Can Run Away Now They're All Dead and Gone - Snow Patrol
8. Like A Boss - The Lonely Islan
9. Tick of Time - The Kooks
10. Brick By Brick - Train

Bonkers_xOx

Firework- Katy Perry
Cherrybomb- Joan Jett
I Wanna Go Crazy- David Guetta
If You See Kay- The Script
These are The Days Of Our Lives- Queen
Irish Rover- The Pogues
Tender- Blur
Like The Sea- Alicia Keys
Summerboy- Lady Gaga

And finally, to complete my credible list of music... Teardrops on My Guitar- Taylor Swift.

Davidius

1. Battlefield 1942 theme
2. Battlefield 1942 theme
3. Battlefield 1942 theme
4. Battlefield 1943 theme
5. Battlefield 1942 theme
6. Battlefield 1942 theme
7. Battlefield 1942 theme
8. Battlefield 1942 theme
9. Battlefield 1942 theme
10. Amhrán na bhFiann

cheesefiend

Feist - How my heart behaves

Funeral for a friend - History (didn't even know that was on it)

Kasabian - Underdog

Ida Maria - Going to Hell

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Jesus of the Moon

Miley Cyrus - The Climb (I know :pac:)

OK Go - A Million Ways to be Cruel

MSTRKRFT - Heartbreaker

Fionn Regan - Hey Rabbit

Juliette Lewis and the Licks - You're Speaking my Language

Pygmalion

Angry White Boy Polka - Weird Al Yankovic
Seek and Destroy - Metallica
Hurt - Nine Inch Nails
All My Life - Foo Fighters
Returning The Screw - Fugazi
Not Big - Lily Allen
Cry To Me River - Kroda (gg thread for making me remember this song)
The Scream - Poison
Josy - Coronatus
Jesus - Queen

Can't say it's that representative since I'd say 90% of my music is stuff I'd never listen to, but it was better than expected.

challengemaster

As most of the songs in my top25 aren't actually on my laptop anymore, or iTunes can't find them (and I haven't listened to most in aaaages) and I've been using youtube/listening to the radio a lot instead.... this is probably my actual top 10

1. Flo Rida ft David guetta - Club can't handle me
2. Taio Cruz - Dynamite
3. The Coronas - San diego song
4. Muse - Undisclosed desires
5. Katy Perry - California Girls
6. Jason Derulo - What if
7. Feeder - Just a day
8. Feeder - Seven days in the sun
9. Ellie Goulding - Starry eyed
10. Coldplay - Clocks

Fad

1. Independence - Eliot Smith.
2. Choose To Love, Live or Die - I Killed The Prom Queen
3. A Fault Line, A Fault of Mine - UnderOath
4. I Turned into a Martian - The Misfits
5. Wicked Game - HIM
6. Mercury (Hervé Is In Disarray Remix) - Bloc Party
7. Hellions on Parade - CKY
8. Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) - Green Day
9. She - The Misfits*
10. So Quiet You Were - Go:Audio

*probably my favourite of the list.

Konata

1. The Geese Of Beverly Road - The National
2. Razz - Kings Of Leon
3. When Did Your Heart Go Missing - Rooney
4. Armatage Shanks - Green Day
5. A New Arrangement - Bright Eyes
6. Alone, Together - The Strokes
7. Photosynthesis - Frank Turner
8. Doomsday Clock - Smashing Pumpkins
9. Pieces of What - MGMT
10. Wave Of Mutiliation - Pixies

BOOM!

OopsyDaisy

01. Won't do that -Robbie Williams
02. Shameless- The Fratellis
03. Hey Mickey- Tony Basil
04. You Belong To Me- Jason Wade (Shrek Soundtrack ftw!)
05. 1973- James Blunt
06. She Will Be Loved- Maroon 5 (also known as Oopsy's party piece :P)
07. Girl With One Eye- Florence and the Machine
08. I'm A Believer- Smash Mouth
09. Sycophant- The Courteeners
10. Turn It Up- Pixie Lott

Pretty good mix tbh, is an alright representation of my music I suppose

soccymonster

Remember December - Demi Lovato
Holiday - Green Day
Sexy Bitch - David Guetta ft Akon
Six Months - Hey Monday
Basket Case - Green day
I think about you everyday - A rocket to the moon
Damned If I Do Ya, Damned If I don't - All Time Low
Shameless - All Time Low
Mobile - Avril Lavigne
Mythology - VersaEmerge

Ah abit of everything. Even got some Demi Lovato in there :P

Banjo Fella

Here we go!

1. Mysteries - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
2. Rare Respite - Patrick Burns
3. Concrete Walls - Fever Ray
4. Something - The Beatles
5. Month of May - Arcade Fire
6. Kiteracer 2 - Boards of Canada
7. Nothing Better (Styrofoam Remix) - The Postal Service
8. Time Flies - Grant Kirkhope
9. Eternal Life - Jeff Buckley
10. Hark! The Herald Angels Sing! - Sufjan Stevens

Yep, Sufjan Stevens' massive 5-disc Songs For Christmas album always seems to pop up on shuffle. Which is definitely no bad thing, just not particularly seasonal right now.

Slow Show

Coldplay - Talk
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club
Steve Earle - Galway Girl
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Dani California
Laura Marling - My Manic & I
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus - Your Guardian Angel
Lisa Hannigan - I Don't Know
Vampire Weekend - Horchata
Avril Lavigne - When You're Gone
Tears For Fears - Shout

Ah, not really an accurate representation of my taste tbh, but sure... :P

Ruski

1. Can - One More Night
2. Aphex Twin - Cornish Acid
3. Porcupine Tree - Lips of Ashes
4. John Butler Trio - Damned to Hell
5. Radiohead - Fitter Happier
6. CocoRosie - Beautiful Boyz
7. Boxcutter - Glyphic
8. Pain of Salvation - Deus Nova
9. Burial - Archangel
10. Devin Townsend - Down and Under

seanbmc

It's a hit-We Are Scientists

Ignorance-Paramore

Seduction-Eminem

This Modern Love-Bloc Party

The Partisan-Leonard Cohen

After Hours- We Are Scientists

Funky Shít-The Prodigy

Solidarity-Enter Shikari

Taxi Cab-Vampire Weekend

Time of Your Life-Green Day

Jako8

Harrowdown Hill - Thom Yorke
Trainfire - Devin Townsend
Summer's Gone - Placebo
Xxzxcuzx Me - Crystal Castles
Blood - Priestess
(Looking for) The Heart of Saturday Night - Tom Waits
Jurassic Park Theme - John Williams
Where Strides The Behemoth - Mastodon
Hope - Rush
Down the Line - José González

Colm!

This is my iPod list on shuffle. Because my iPod's only 8gb, it's going to be quite limited.
ANYWAY:

Rubidoux by Cold War Kids
Micheal by Franz Ferdinand
Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? by Moby
I Want You Back by The Kooks
Positive Tension by Bloc Party
A Song For You by Foals
One\Take 5 by Rodrigo y Gabriela
I'm Not The One by The Black Keys
My Door Is Always Open by Noah And The Whale
We Still Got It by The Redneck Manifesto

Luno

Do You Want To - Franz Ferdinand
After Hours- We Are Scientists
Trouble - Coldplay
Don't Tread On Me - Metallica
All Together Now - The Beatles
Choices - The Hoosiers
Feel The Tide - Mumford & Sons
Open Your Eyes - Snow Patrol
El Manana - Gorrillaz
Sheila - Jamie T

Hm it's not too bad, could have been worse...

Namlub

I'm A Cuckoo - Belle and Sebastian
We Own The Sky (Udachi Remix) - M83
Phantom Pt. 1 - Justice
Hiphopopotamus vs. Rhymenocerous - Flight of the Conchords (weep at my highbrow taste pls)
Birds - Crystal Castles
Me and the Moon - The Drums
Ghouls - We Are Scientists
Little Shadow - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Take It Or Leave It - The Strokes
Until We Bleed - Lykke Li

Seren_

Bell X1 - Light Catches Your Face
My Chemical Romance - To The End
Jónsi & Alex - Indian Summer
LCD Soundsystem - I Can Change
Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime
The Gutter Twins - Seven Stories Underground
David Bowie - Changes
Ladyhawke - Love Don't Live Here
Woody Guthrie - Bury Me Beneath The Willow
The Fall - Industrial Estate

I haven't even listened to half of them songs

Arcade Panda

Magical Mystery Tour - The Beatles
Six Days at The Bottom of The Ocean - Explosiosions In The Sky
Road To Joy - Bright Eyes
FutureSex LoveSounds - Justin Timberlake
Lover's Day - Tv on the Radio
The Twist - Frightened Rabbit
Honey & The Moon - Joseph Arthur
Gunman - Them Crooked Vultures
Girl - Beck
Far Behind - Eddie Vedder

EverybodyLies

Did this in the other forum, but what the hey.

Someone Elses Hands-The Coronas
Little Lion man-Mumford and Sons
Sober-Pink
Save Tonight-Eagle Eye Cherry
I Hope you find It-Miley Cyrus
Broken-Lifehouse
Brick By Boring Brick-Paramore
Highway to Hell-AC/DC
Come In with the Rain-Taylor Swift
Somebody to Love-Queen

Phew. Only one of my more embarrassing songs came up. :pac:

EuropeanSon

A rather eclectic mix, but all pretty awesome.
This World-Activa
Starlight-Muse
Wild Child-Lou Reed
The Raven-Lou Reed
Symphony No 41 'Jupiter' In C Major KV 551-Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Nothing But You-Paul Van Dyk
Shadowplay-Joy Division
Monkey Island-13th Floor Elevators
You've Got The Love- Florence and the Machine
David Watts-The Jam

MavisDavis

Evil - Interpol.
Rockafella Skank - Fatboy Slim.
Sugar, We're Going Down - Fall Out Boy.
Anyone Else But You - Michael Cera & Ellen Page. (Juno )
You Are Mine - MuteMath
A Better Band - Bell X1.
Kiss With A Fist - Florence & the Machine.
Richman - 3OH!3.
Memories (feat. Kid Cudi) - David Guetta.
Does Your Mother Know? - Abba.


Not too shabby in my book!

Nemanja91

I have a crazy mix of songs cause i manager my Mom's iPod too but this list doesn't seem too bad!

The Golden Floor - Snow Patrol
I Found You - Swedish House Mafia
Destination Unknown - Alex Gaudino
What's New Pussycat - Tom Jones
Waiting - Eminem
I Got Mine - The Black Keys
Red Morning Light - Kings Of Leon
Ten Crack Commandments - B.I.G
Cloud Number Nine - Bryan Adams
What More Can I Say - Jay-Z

SarahBeep!

1. Don't Speak - No Doubt
2. Baby, One More Time - Nicotine (Britney Cover )
3. Gimme, Gimme, Gimme - Amanda Seyfreid, Mamma Mia soundtrack
4. Grease Medley - Grese Cast
5. Now That We're Done - Metro Station
6. Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol
7. Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham!
8. I Hate Myself For Loving You - Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
9. Today - Joshua Radin
10. Angel - Jimmi Hendrix


10 is definately my favourite

Sentineil

1. Animals - House of The Rising Sun
2. The Human League - Louise
3. The Rolling Stones - Play With Fire
4. The Rolling Stones - She's A Rainbow
5. Bob Dylan - Jokerman
6: Ocarina Of Time OST - Deku Tree
7. Tom Petty - Breakdown
8. The Rolling Stones - 2000 Light-years From Home
9. REO Speedwagon - In My Dreams
10. Cage The Elephant - Lotus

mooman

1. Notion-Kings of Leon
2. Where Have All The Good Times Gone-The Kinks
3. Six Shooter-Queens Of The Stoneage
4. You're My Thrill-Billie Holiday
5. Joy Discovery Invention-Biffy Clyro
6. Armour Love-La Roux
7. The Man Who Sold The World-David Bowie
8. Fat Lip(Live)-Sum 41
9. A Kind Of Magic-Queen
10. Copperhead Road-Steve Earle

ohthebaby

Careless Whisper -George Michael.

Rudebox - Robbie Williams

The Show - Girls Aloud

One Step Closer To Heaven - S Club Juniors

Said It All - Take That

You Are - Atomic Kitten

Holding On For You - Liberty X

Le Plus Beau Du Quartier - Carla Bruni

Life Looks Better In Spring - Cyprus Eurovision Entry 2010

You Make Me Wanna - Blue

It would seem that I am stuck in an extremely cheesy musical time warp. I must admit though that that is a pretty good reflection of the high brow music that is in my iTunes.

Bobalicious93

Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me - The Smiths
Here We Go Again - The Hives
This House Is A Circus - Arctic Monkeys
Just Who Is The Five O'Clock Hero - The Jam
Tailors - The Young Knives
Bigmouth Strikes Again - The Smiths
Evil Hearted You - Pixies
Alms - The Futureheads
Another Brick In The Wall Part 1 - Pink Floyd
Miss Brown - Reverend And The Makers

Pretty weak list bar Bigmouth Strikes Again and ABITW. Shuffle, you disappoint me.

almostnever

Pace Is The Trick-Interpol
The Air-Modest Mouse
Little Sister-Bell X1
Steam Engenius-Modest Mouse
Barney Rubble-The Twang
A Song To Pass The Time-Bright Eyes
Pomp And Circumstances-The Smashing Pumpkins
Chosen Time-New Order
Blue Angels Air Show-Bright Eyes
Never Been Born-Owen.

Haven't listened to some of those in ages but I love them all.

MGMTea

1.Voice Of The Voiceless - Rage Against The Machine
2.The Pick Of Destiny - Tenacious D
3.Garden Of Eden - Guns N' Roses
4.Who Needs Shelter - Jason Mraz
5.Slow Night, So Long - Kings Of Leon
6.Cupid - Jack Johnson
7.Begging For Mercy - Bullet For My Valentine
8.Skinny Love - Bon Iver
9. .Just (featuring(Phanton Planet) - Mark Ronson
10. 1 stp Klosr - Linkin Park

As you can see a pretty broad taste in music :P

Professey Chin

Flogging Molly - Seven Deadly Sins
Koji Kondi - Hyrule Field Main Theme (Ocarina of Time)
Iron Maiden - Still Life
Become the Enemy - Lemonheads
Baby Ford - Dead Eye (mixed on Decks EFX & 909)
Blues Brothers - Blues Dont Bother Me
Bruce Springsteen - The Promised Land
Deep Forest - Lament
Kelly Clarkson - Because of You
Alter Bridge - Broken Wings

Now thats varied :pac:

herisson

Common ft Martina Topley Bird - Everywhere
Florence and the Machine - Youve got the Love
Fyfe Dangerfield - Shes always a woman to me
Cyndi Lauper - Girls just wanna have fun
RHCP - Scar Tissue
Daniel Merriweather - Red
Bob Marley - Three Little Birds
Cathy Davey - Little Red
Rammstien - Sonne
The Killers - All these things that ive done

**Timbuk2**

1. I Need You Now (Cahill Club Mix) - Agnes
2. Bang Bang Bang - Mark Ronson and The Business INTL
3. Café del Mar - Rainmaker
4. OMG (Almighty Mix) - Usher
5. I Hear the Bells - Mike Doughty
6. What Is Love - Haddaway
7. Number 1 (Hypasonic Remix) - Tinchy Strider
8. Feels Like A Prayer 2010 (Clubstar Remix) - Meck
9. I Write Sins Not Tragedies - Panic! At the Disco
10. Owner of a Lonely Heart - Max Graham vs. Yes

EuropeanSon

Did it again for teh lulz...
1. Fixing A Hole - The Beatles
2. Betrayed - Lou Reed
3. 3 Little Birds - Bob Marley
4. Rain - The Beatles
5. I Did It My Way - Jay Z
6. Spooky (Out Of Order Mix) - New Order
7. Ann - The Stooges
8. Take Me Back - Tinchy Stryder
9. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window? - Bob Dylan
10. She's Leaving Home - The Beatles

I'd no idea I had anything by Tinchy Stryder on my iTunes... Dunno who put that there...

seriousfizz

Summer Fades - Parhelia
Bed - Brand New
Battery - Metallica
Universally Speaking - RHCP
Touch Too Much - AC/DC
Give It Away - RHCP
Patterns In The Ivy - Opeth
Diana - Comus
Lonely No More - Rob Thomas

It seems shuffle was having nothing but rock/metal just there... except for Rob Thomas, obviously :P

Namlub

MGMTea wrote: »

1.Voice Of The Voiceless - Rage Against The Machine
2.The Pick Of Destiny - Tenacious D
3.Garden Of Eden - Guns N' Roses
4.Who Needs Shelter - Jason Mraz
5.Slow Night, So Long - Kings Of Leon
6.Cupid - Jack Johnson
7.Begging For Mercy - Bullet For My Valentine
8.Skinny Love - Bon Iver
9. .Just (featuring(Phanton Planet) - Mark Ronson
10. 1 stp Klosr - Linkin Park

As you can see a pretty broad taste in music :P

Ahee, your username

Namlub

Yeh I wanna do mine again. I'm cool like that...
My Baby Just Cares For Me - Florence + the Machine
Terrible Love - The National
Just Can't Get Enough - Depeche Mode
Nantes - Beirut
Heavy Drug (Surrender Sounds Mix) - UNKLE
How Can You Swallow So Much Sleep - Bombay Bicycle Club
Young Love - Mystery Jets & Laura Marling
Running Up That Hill - Kate Bush
Halfway Home - TV On The Radio
Vox Populi (Lifelike Treatment) - Jupiter

Grindylow

*Repeats*

Defying Gravity - Glee
Hummingbird Heartbeat - Katy Perry
Teardrops On My Guitar - Taylor Swift
Wish I Stayed - Ellie Goulding
The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
Fifteen - Taylor Swift
Lovelier Than You - B.o.B
Angel - Kate Voegele
Don't Stop The Music - Rihanna
Speed Of Sound - Coldplay

suitcasepink

I Guess Thats why they Call it the Blues - Elton John
Young Forever - Jay Z ft Mr Hudson
We Got the Party with Us - Jonas Brothers ft Hannah Montana
Sweet Caroline - Neil Diamond
Don't Stop Believin'- Glee Cast
Almost - Bowling For Soup
Don't Call This Love - Leon Jackson
Love Story - Taylor Swift
Howl - Florence and the Machine
Waking up in Vegas - Katy Perry

Mehh coulda been worse coulda been better...

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Chesney Hawkes - The One and Only
The Killers - When You Were Young
Leonard Skynyrd - Sweet Home Albama :pac: I'm white trash at heart.:P
Paolo Nutini - Worried Man
Eminem - Almost Famous
The Beatles - Hey Jude
Phats and Small - Turn Around
Journey - Anyway You Want It
Yolanda Be Cool - We No Speak Americano
Kaiser Chiefs - Ruby

Slow Show

Hey, if everyone else is doing it again I wanna do it again too and I'm bored...

The Veronicas - Take Me On The Floor
Snow Patrol - Just Say Yes
Florence + The Machine - Dog Days Are Over
Sigur Ros - Hoppipolla
Ellie Goulding - Fighter Plane
Glee Cast - Defying Gravity
MGMT - Kids
Motion City Soundtrack - I'm In Love Without You (Acoustic)
Glee Cast - Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Heathers - Reading In The Dark

EverybodyLies

I wanna do it again.

All The Right Moves-One Republic
Rule The World-Take That
Mine-Taylor Swift
You Won't Feel a Thing-The Script
Cannonball-Damien Rice
Parallel Worlds-Eliot Minor
Need You Now-Lady Antebellum
You've Got the Love-Florence and the Machine
21 Guns-Green Day
Dream On-Glee

Luno

Hey no fair I'm doing this again too!

Hide & Seek - Imogen Heap
Wake Me Up Before You Go - George Michael
Slaughter Your Enemies - Bring Me The Horizon
Through The Wire - Kanye West
Suck My Kiss - Red Hot Chilli Peppers
The Kids Don't Stand A Chance - Vampire Weekend
Adams Song - Blink 182
Rebellion - Arcade Fire
When You Were Young - The Killers
Empire - Kasabian

norwegianwood

We Laugh Indoors- Death Cab For Cutie
This Fire- Franz Ferdinand
Music When The Lights Go Out- The Libertines
Boy With a Coin- Iron and Wine
Clocks- Coldplay
I of the Mourning- Smashing Pumpkins
Lady Madonna- The Beatles
Gimme Sympathy- Metric
I Looked at You- The Doors
Palace of the Brine- Pixies

Hmm, none of them are that great, except Boy with a Coin....man I love that song.

EuropeanSon

Third time lucky...
Some Kinda Love-The Velvet Underground
Guillotine Swordz-Raekwon
All The King's Men-Wild Beasts
Venus In Furs-Lou Reed (solo version, not Velvet Underground)
See You In My Nightmare-Kanye West & Lil Wayne
Town Called Malice-The Jam
What She Said-The Smiths
More Than Anything (Stoneface & Terminal remix)-Gareth Emery
Black Angel's Death Song-John Cale, Lou Reed & Nico
Karma Police-Radiohead

Colm!

ROUND TWO!

Love Island by Fatboy Slim [You've Come A Long Way, Baby]
Soul Surfing by Fatboy Slim [You've Come A Long Way, Baby] (WTF ARE YOU DOING, RHYTHMBOX?)
Dosed by Red Hot Chili Peppers [By The Way]
Lark by Josh Ritter [So Runs The World Away]
Break Your Fingers Laughing by The Redneck Manifesto [I Am Brazil]
Off The Wall by Micheal Jackson [The Essential Micheal Jackson] (Yes, I carry around the Essential Micheal Jackson. DEAL WITH IT :pac:)
The Rockafeller Skank by Fatboy AHHHHHHH I GIVE UP
Damn you Rhythmbox's shuffle, yes I like Fatboy Slim too but that's not your job

MightyMighty737

Truth - Everybody Out!
Ball and Chain - Social Distortion
There's Gonna Be a Riot - Have Nots
H.D.U.I (Honourary Discharge Under the Influence) - Cobra Skulls
Orphans - Gaslight Anthem
Do The Dog - Specials
Maritime Tragedies - The Briggs
Down, Down, Down to Mehpisto's Cafe - Streetlight Manifesto
Hang 'Em High - Street Dogs
True Believers - Bouncing Souls


Extremely happy with that, though I have evry little music on my computer so I probably would've liked whatever came up.

Slow Show

I'm sick, bored and bed-bound so I get to do it a third time, 'mmmkay and I cleared out my iTunes properly last night and put lots of new music in and such so here goes:

Playing With Fire - Brandon Flowers
Half Light I - Arcade Fire
The First Day Of My Life - Bright Eyes
In My Head - Jason Derulo
The Remedy - Jason Mraz
California English - Vampire Weekend
This Scene Is Dead - We Are Scientists
Shadow Of The Day - Linkin Park
Summer of '69 - Bryan Adams
Hurricane Drunk - Florence + The Machine

Hmmmm....best so far