A new name for FAS?

MidlandsM

Just watching Primetime here and the piece and discussion about the mess that is FAS.

It's a SHAMEFUL UTTER DISASTER. Some are calling for it to be disbanded, closed down or relaunched.

So, what name should be given to the new state training agency?

Celly Smunt

perhaps if they take the stealing old timers out?

MistyCheese

pmcmahon wrote: »

perhaps if they take the stealing old timers out?

Who'd be left?

orourkeda

workaholics anonymous

Celly Smunt

orourkeda wrote: »

workaholics anonymous

i would've said dole rehab myself

nlgbbbblth

ANCO

efb

BP

orourkeda

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

ANCO

wanco

sxt

It should be named after "fas girl", whatever her name was...

Celly Smunt

sxt wrote: »

It should be named after "fas girl", whatever her name was...

i still don't see her appeal

kippy

FAS is getting split up anyway, dont think it'll have a new name - will just be piecemealed off into different institutions/departments.

Celly Smunt

kippy wrote: »

FAS is getting split up anyway, dont think it'll have a new name - will just be piecemealed off into different institutions/departments.

hmm totally new pioneering plan i guess :rolleyes:

kippy

pmcmahon wrote: »

hmm totally new pioneering plan i guess :rolleyes:

Yep, never been done before apparently.........

stepbar

If they stuck the billion odd they spend on FAS into the 2nd and 3rd level system it would be a far better use of resources then teaching lads useful stuff like how to build blocks or plaster walls :rolleyes:

Celly Smunt

stepbar wrote: »

If they stuck the billion odd they spend on FAS into the 2nd and 3rd level system it would be a far better use of resources then teaching lads useful stuff like how to build blocks or plaster walls :rolleyes:

however not everybody goes on to third level,there has to be a training resource program for those people

fryup

it should be renamed......G.U.O.Y.A.A.G.J

Get Up Off Your Arse And Get a Job

Fluffybums

FAS - Fools And Scroungers (and that's the people running it not those it's supposed to help) perfectly named if you ask me. Maybe its the Dail and Seanad that should be renamed as FAS:P

abrr1000

SUD
(SHAMEFUL UTTER DISASTER)

kincsem

U FÁS AC

Playing away from home, first class of course.

Sardonicat

A new name for FAS? Farce.

Einhard

GUBU

Royal Irish

State Training Institute or State Training Department. I think either one of them could catch on.

Celly Smunt

Royal Irish wrote: »

State Training Institute or State Training Department. I think either one of them could catch on.

i guess fás has been....







infected.











YEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

kippy

stepbar wrote: »

If they stuck the billion odd they spend on FAS into the 2nd and 3rd level system it would be a far better use of resources then teaching lads useful stuff like how to build blocks or plaster walls :rolleyes:

Why would that be?
Dont you think there is still a need for lads to "build WITH blocks or plaster walls"?
Isnt there still a need for all the "manual labour" type skills out there?
Isnt there a need for community employment type schemes? (Without them a lot of rural Ireland and indeed cities would fall apart.
That 1 billion pays for a lot of good things as well, things that some may never even notice or appreciate.
Not saying that FAS should be administering this, but a large portion of what FAS does and sponsors IS required in the country.

The reality right now is that the money FAS has to spend has been greatly reduced (no harm some would say) but a lot of what FAS does IS needed, whether FAS perform it or not.

stepbar

kippy wrote: »

Why would that be?

We might actually achieve the creation of a proper "knowledge" economy. Did you know as a % of GDP, out of the OECD countries, Ireland is one of the worst when it comes to money spent on education. We won't achieve it with FAS that's for sure.

Dont you think there is still a need for lads to "build WITH blocks or plaster walls"?

No not for the next 10 years (or possibly more) there ain't. Thankfully the days of earning 700 - 800 a week whilst on an FAS apprentice blocklaying course are gone. Imagine, a blocklayer earning more a week than a graduate in somewhere like Deloitte :rolleyes: Imagine.

Isnt there still a need for all the "manual labour" type skills out there?

No given there's a good supply of unskilled workers out there already.

Isnt there a need for community employment type schemes? (Without them a lot of rural Ireland and indeed cities would fall apart.

Now that you say it, CE Schemes are the biggest waste of taxpayers money ever. Imagine paying lads for a weeks work so they can go back on the Dole the next week and so on, repeated ad nauseum :rolleyes: Some lads make a career out of it. The sort of work these lads do, from what I know in the countryside anyhow, is clean drains, maintain grave yards and general maintainance of some public amenities. All of this work could be taken up by people who are on the dole already.

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Son Of A Vidic

FART = Fcuk All Real Training

kippy

stepbar wrote: »

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I disagree, a country cannot be successful with an education system based on college graduation only. There were a number of apprenticeships which are not construction based also.
Do you know what ce schemes are and the makeup of their participants and support structures around them.
There are also numerous courses that Fas support for the less able among us.
My point, FAS will go but some. Entity will need to carry on and drastically improve on the work they currently do.

PeterIanStaker

BÁS?


/thread

RockinRolla

PWDS

Pretending We're Doing Something

YouTalkinToMe

Ghostbuster School,cause youve more chance of becoming one than trying to actually become trained in anything decent.

imitation

Hurray for name changes, we get to stump up a couple of hundred thousand so they can change all the signs and letter heads, and then put the exact same dicks (or maybe there relatives) back in charge.

cobwebs

:rolleyes:

stepbar wrote: »

If they stuck the billion odd they spend on FAS into the 2nd and 3rd level system it would be a far better use of resources then teaching lads useful stuff like how to build blocks or plaster walls :rolleyes:

Get your facts right. Most of the billion is Social welfare allowances given to course participants.

cobwebs

MidlandsM wrote: »

Just watching Primetime here and the piece and discussion about the mess that is FAS.

It's a SHAMEFUL UTTER DISASTER. Some are calling for it to be disbanded, closed down or relaunched.

So, what name should be given to the new state training agency?

:mad:

Twenty per cent of Leaving cert rechecks have been upgraded.(look it up on Google). If 20% of the 58,000 were rechecked 11,600 results in the Leaving Cert would have to be changed. Compare that to 100 FAS clients who have to have their results rechecked!

yoshytoshy

Farce

paky

The tumour?

ldxo15wus6fpgm

cobwebs wrote: »

:mad:

Twenty per cent of Leaving cert rechecks have been upgraded.(look it up on Google). If 20% of the 58,000 were rechecked 11,600 results in the Leaving Cert would have to be changed. Compare that to 100 FAS clients who have to have their results rechecked!

I don't see what you're getting at?

johnmcdnl

pmcmahon wrote: »

however not everybody goes on to third level,there has to be a training resource program for those people

I doubt it requires a course to learn to lay blocks tbh...

get mortar - lay down on previous row of bricks... put mortar against edge of brick in wall... place next brick in place... put more mortar along the edge of that brick.. place next brick

repeats...

now i'm sure there's a wee bit more too it but I'm sure most lads could pick it up on the job without courses

randy hickey

FTLRF- Fiddle The Live Register Figures

DOC09UNAM

fryup wrote: »

it should be renamed......G.U.O.Y.A.A.G.J

Get Up Off Your Arse And Get a Job

Go create 400 thousand fúcking jobs then.

Pdfile

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Go create 400 thousand fúcking jobs then.

i cant create that many but ive got 2 for ye.


one as larry murphys rapist and one to hold the video camera...

its a wpp2 but im sure the 9 months exp you'll get workin on this project will be of no use to you.... or future employers.

Patricide

I could be wrong here but didnt fas get a rake of people employed over the last number of years? Whats with all the bashing here?

Doom

Fools
After
School

I thought it was always correctly named

Dean820

The biggest problem with FAS is that it leads to nothing, unlike PLC courses where it leads to college or University for example. People complete the FAS course and go straight back on the dole. It helps nobody. If they could lead it on to something else and help people work up the ladder to something else, it would be worthwhile.

Celly Smunt

johnmcdnl wrote: »

I doubt it requires a course to learn to lay blocks tbh...

get mortar - lay down on previous row of bricks... put mortar against edge of brick in wall... place next brick in place... put more mortar along the edge of that brick.. place next brick

repeats...

now i'm sure there's a wee bit more too it but I'm sure most lads could pick it up on the job without courses

yeah but why should an employer have to waste time and money teaching a person something the state should be providing?

Fás courses are a great resource to the placement of apprentices,alot of employers look for a previous training course before employing an apprentice

RolandIRL

Failure At School

kippy

Dean820 wrote: »

The biggest problem with FAS is that it leads to nothing, unlike PLC courses where it leads to college or University for example. People complete the FAS course and go straight back on the dole. It helps nobody. If they could lead it on to something else and help people work up the ladder to something else, it would be worthwhile.

The apprenticeship courses are probably the most practical courses in this country.........and led to numerous jobs for trainees in the past. Some of the apprenticeship courses still lead to full time employment.
A lot of the soft skills courses are probably not enough to get a job with but if you've none of the skills they are definitely a good thing to have on a CV.
I also know of courses that are a good foundation/lead in to other courses.
There are of course people who will always do these kind of courses and now end up getting a job after, I would have thought that would be pretty obvious.

G_R

cobwebs wrote: »

:mad:

Twenty per cent of Leaving cert rechecks have been upgraded.(look it up on Google). If 20% of the 58,000 were rechecked 11,600 results in the Leaving Cert would have to be changed. Compare that to 100 FAS clients who have to have their results rechecked!

Not all leaving cert scripts were appealed. Say only a 1000 (could be higher, could be less, I have no idea) were rechecked, 20% of that is only 200.

All though i still dont see what it has to do with anything

ejmaztec

"Jobs R'nt Us"

Biggins

MidlandsM wrote: »

...what name should be given to the new state training agency?

Just award it a few more letters.

FARSE.

DoneDL

rename it F.U.B.A.R then bin it

skelliser

Dean820 wrote: »

The biggest problem with FAS is that it leads to nothing, unlike PLC courses where it leads to college or University for example. People complete the FAS course and go straight back on the dole. It helps nobody. If they could lead it on to something else and help people work up the ladder to something else, it would be worthwhile.

WRONG.

I know someone who did a fas course in cad which directly lead to a place on a cert course then a diploma course in an IT.
Which then lead onto a degree in mechanical engineering from UL.