Savages coming to a neighbourhood near you soon

Deacon

Savages coming to a neighbourhood near you soon. So here goes the very latest news from Fairview Cresent Garryowen, Limerick. The main family responsible for terrorising the folks that currently reside at Fairview Cresent and the other 20 families rendered homeless, beause of the fear and intimidation imposed upon them by these savages. Instead of being sent to jail and been evicted like any other normal socities response to illegal behaviour, instead are in fact being REWARDED.What does that mean? It means that all the Einsteins's in our Limerick City Council have decided to buy this family a 5-6 bedroom home in an exclusive neighbourhood in Limerick. Sounds like a case of Limerick justice to me.

MESSAGE HERE: Bully, terrorise, intimidate, and threathen innocent peoples on a daily basis to the point they fear for their life's and move,then you will be rewarded by our City Councilmen. Inevitably these people will end up in an area where hard working families in Limerick, who have worked real hard to get at the point there at. The area is a status to some of us , a measure of reward for the hard work we put in to be at a stage to make a purchase of such a home. This family could be your neighbour very soon. What are you going to do about it? Answer, absolutely nothing. Why? Because they are protected by a City Council, Inadequate politicians, Powerless Police Force, Outdated Laws and Leaderless Judges. They have beat the system and they will continue to wreak havoc on any neighbourhood they set their foot inside.

Middle class neighbourhood folks: Contact your TD Peter Power immediately, he has established himself as a die hard, to protect the middle class punters house values from any undesirables moving within miles of your vacinity. Lets actually move these savages next door to Peter. See how successful his life becomes. Wake up Limerick residents or it will be way too late. Here is the scenario that faces us: House prices in decline and the majority of families burried in negative equity and the Council on top of all that decide to shove some unruly savages responsible of causing 20 families to be rendered homeless in the backdoor of our estates. This will certainly have an even greater effect on our estates with regard to values. It makes absolutely no sence to me. Does something about this ring anybody else the wrong way?

Deacon

campo

I fully understand where your post comes from Deacon and I would not want them living beside me that is for sure.
But and here is the problem I think they have to live somewhere the council can just dump them on the street or put them on 1st place to Uzbekistan no matter how much we might like that done.
So unfortuantly for some family they will probably have to live next door to these savages as you call them.

wildefalcon

Its a real problem that Irish Society hasn't yet faced up to:

How do we, as a society, deal with individuals who persistently reject the values of our society?

Especially when our society (rightly) believes in giving individuals many chances to embrace those values?

Moving these individuals isn't the answer. Removing them from society, and educating them as to the needs, responsibilities and obligations necessary for society to work is a better option.

But that takes courage and leadership, but we don't have any, and we don't elect committed high quality people of integrity, or courageous leaders.

So, until we, as a society, forward and elect strong, courageous individuals, with integrity and the willingness to make tough decisions, we will just have to suffer.

Meh.

Jofspring

Where can they go?

Jail for the ones causing the problems would be a start.

Thing about this that annoys me the most is this affects the genuine and nice people in regeneration areas that are looking to be re-homed as it further adds to the stigma a lot of people already have about them being put into different estates.

molard

Deacon wrote: »

Savages coming to a neighbourhood near you soon. So here goes the very latest news from Fairview Cresent Garryowen, Limerick. The main family responsible for terrorising the folks that currently reside at Fairview Cresent and the other 20 families rendered homeless, beause of the fear and intimidation imposed upon them by these savages. Instead of being sent to jail and been evicted like any other normal socities response to illegal behaviour, instead are in fact being REWARDED.What does that mean? It means that all the Einsteins's in our Limerick City Council have decided to buy this family a 5-6 bedroom home in an exclusive neighbourhood in Limerick. Sounds like a case of Limerick justice to me.

MESSAGE HERE: Bully, terrorise, intimidate, and threathen innocent peoples on a daily basis to the point they fear for their life's and move,then you will be rewarded by our City Councilmen. Inevitably these people will end up in an area where hard working families in Limerick, who have worked real hard to get at the point there at. The area is a status to some of us , a measure of reward for the hard work we put in to be at a stage to make a purchase of such a home. This family could be your neighbour very soon. What are you going to do about it? Answer, absolutely nothing. Why? Because they are protected by a City Council, Inadequate politicians, Powerless Police Force, Outdated Laws and Leaderless Judges. They have beat the system and they will continue to wreak havoc on any neighbourhood they set their foot inside.

Middle class neighbourhood folks: Contact your TD Peter Power immediately, he has established himself as a die hard, to protect the middle class punters house values from any undesirables moving within miles of your vacinity. Lets actually move these savages next door to Peter. See how successful his life becomes. Wake up Limerick residents or it will be way too late. Here is the scenario that faces us: House prices in decline and the majority of families burried in negative equity and the Council on top of all that decide to shove some unruly savages responsible of causing 20 families to be rendered homeless in the backdoor of our estates. This will certainly have an even greater effect on our estates with regard to values. It makes absolutely no sence to me. Does something about this ring anybody else the wrong way?

Deacon

are you banned on limerick blogger .

Jumpy

Unless you specify the 'neighbourhood' and provide proof then all this is just hot air.
Especially since you only have one post.

acalmenvoy

Jumpy wrote: »

Unless you specify the 'neighbourhood' and provide proof then all this is just hot air.
Especially since you only have one post.

In fairness to the OP, without seeing the proof of what he says, I can see this happening, it wouldn't suprise me.
God help that neighbourhood.

hightower1

Put them in the same areas that they seem to fit in with, slap them in a nice council house beside some of the other "colourfull" families in moyross? Let them annoy each other.

In fact lets not stop there, lets vet everyone living in moyross , take the respectable and decent folk out and set THEM up in nice digs elsewhere. Use the vacant space for the likes of the savages and let it all devolve slowly.

We can expect a steady decrease in populous within the first three years through murder etc then as they cross breed and increase again after that we can think of a more... ah hem... perminent solution.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I actually believe in something along the same lines, put all the trouble makers in one estate and move out the decent folk.

"Punish" trouble makers in other estates by moving them to this "bad" estate. At the same time allow people in the "bad" estate to move to other estates if they show signs of maturing and better behaviour with a probationary period in place.

The bad estate would probably be a ghetto of the highest order but at least the bad eggs would be all in the one basket and just harass one another. An estate with the minimum amount of access points would be ideal, allowing it to rapidly shut-down by the Gardai in times of trouble.

There are lots of decent folk putting up with sh*t from arseholes for too long.

And there's my right-wing thought of the day folks.

topper75

Even though I'm paying a mortgage, I'd be happy to see an honest regeneration family move in next to me, provided they were respectable and genuinely wanted a new start.

The family referred to here seem to be outside that bracket and I think protest would be justified.

um7y1h83ge06nx

The average scobe is pretty fascinating to watch sometimes.

A few days ago during lunch I came out of Arthurs Quay shopping on to Patrick Street. Anyway there was this female scobe walking in front of me with an umbrella. She was really doing the whole "tough man" thing, it was hilarious. The walk, spitting on the ground etc. Anyway when she was walking alongside the pharmacy windows there she put up her umbrella and started scraping/running the end of it along the windows.

Very small thing I know, but it got me thinking that this woman was older than me (probably early 30's) and if I did it even when I was a child my mother would have slapped me across the head. If I did it now I would expect people to think I was a little nuts. Just a pure attitude of boldness, quite hard to fathom really.

JerryHandbag

They should get Cork county council to build a nice house for them......on Spike Island

krudler

I've said it a million times, this city needs Batman.

topper75

Zachariah Gigantic Predator wrote: »

If I did it now I would expect people to think I was a little nuts.

These scobes ARE nuts I've always thought. Limerick is afflicted with huge numbers of people who actually belong in institutions. Our state taxpayer kitty can't afford to accomodate them in institutions, which is why you were witness to the anti-social umbrella show. Maybe next time she drops in with her medical card, she could get a 'special' injection.

Yeah I'm right wing; but look were lefty thinking got Limerick!

liammur

Deacon wrote: »

Savages coming to a neighbourhood near you soon. So here goes the very latest news from Fairview Cresent Garryowen, Limerick. The main family responsible for terrorising the folks that currently reside at Fairview Cresent and the other 20 families rendered homeless, beause of the fear and intimidation imposed upon them by these savages. Instead of being sent to jail and been evicted like any other normal socities response to illegal behaviour, instead are in fact being REWARDED.What does that mean? It means that all the Einsteins's in our Limerick City Council have decided to buy this family a 5-6 bedroom home in an exclusive neighbourhood in Limerick. Sounds like a case of Limerick justice to me.

MESSAGE HERE: Bully, terrorise, intimidate, and threathen innocent peoples on a daily basis to the point they fear for their life's and move,then you will be rewarded by our City Councilmen. Inevitably these people will end up in an area where hard working families in Limerick, who have worked real hard to get at the point there at. The area is a status to some of us , a measure of reward for the hard work we put in to be at a stage to make a purchase of such a home. This family could be your neighbour very soon. What are you going to do about it? Answer, absolutely nothing. Why? Because they are protected by a City Council, Inadequate politicians, Powerless Police Force, Outdated Laws and Leaderless Judges. They have beat the system and they will continue to wreak havoc on any neighbourhood they set their foot inside.

Middle class neighbourhood folks: Contact your TD Peter Power immediately, he has established himself as a die hard, to protect the middle class punters house values from any undesirables moving within miles of your vacinity. Lets actually move these savages next door to Peter. See how successful his life becomes. Wake up Limerick residents or it will be way too late. Here is the scenario that faces us: House prices in decline and the majority of families burried in negative equity and the Council on top of all that decide to shove some unruly savages responsible of causing 20 families to be rendered homeless in the backdoor of our estates. This will certainly have an even greater effect on our estates with regard to values. It makes absolutely no sence to me. Does something about this ring anybody else the wrong way?

Deacon

Correct.

We get no IDA jobs and investment into the region in 13 years and now they are going to ruin the middle class areas of raheen, castletroy, caherdavin and corbally. Limerick needed massive investment for regeneration to be a success.
Instead, no jobs, no investment, end result will be areas like raheen will need to be regenerated in about 20 years time.

Jumpy

Still no proof on how you know or which estate.

maggot12345

I don't know about the family the op is speaking about but this scenario does happen. A family in my estate in county limerick who have caused endless trouble in the town and in the estate have recently been given a span new house in another unsuspecting town in county limerick. They will do exactly the same there. They are rewarded for their behavior/given every state help going. It's ridiculous. :mad: But I'm glad they're gone.

MissHoneyBun

As someone about to teach in one of these very deprived areas, I find this whole situation in Limerick immensely saddening across the board. Unfortunately with such widespread social problems, there's no magic wand answer. It's only when individuals begin to take responsibility for themselves and their outlook that things can progress from there. You just have to be the change you want to see.

bigpink

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

As someone about to teach in one of these very deprived areas, I find this whole situation in Limerick immensely saddening across the board. Unfortunately with such widespread social problems, there's no magic wand answer. It's only when individuals begin to take responsibility for themselves and their outlook that things can progress from there. You just have to be the change you want to see.

I hate this "deprived area" term,all these "deprived areas" seem to have the best of sevices,schemes,programmes and funding

Fairview Cresent is a very new build area and look what is has become because of the scum that get rewarded

MissHoneyBun

bigpink wrote: »

I hate this "deprived area" term,all these "deprived areas" seem to have the best of sevices,schemes,programmes and funding

You tell that to the children who get sent to school without any lunch or can't do their homework because they haven't got a copybook.

Raiser

Deacon wrote: »

These are the very exact people that epitomize what is wrong with our society.

Can I take you literally and assassinate the LB Mods in order to create our own Utopia by the Shannon?

- I think your Shoulder Chips are skewing your perspective and that's throwing your judgements our of kilter and then ultimately your conclusions are as a consequence intrinsically flawed

flutered

i cannot quantify this but here goes, i an led to believe that in holland you get a house from the council corpo or whatever they are called, you misbehave you get moved, you misbehave the second time you are evicted on to the street, with your belongings and nobody gives a fcuk,

Wetbench4

flutered wrote: »

i cannot quantify this but here goes, i an led to believe that in holland you get a house from the council corpo or whatever they are called, you misbehave you get moved, you misbehave the second time you are evicted on to the street, with your belongings and nobody gives a fcuk,

Then they would all live on cruises street or william street, and the city centre would be a complete no go area.
I think they should build a rehabilitation/prison housing estate on some mountain out in county limerick. Build a housing estate then put up 30foot walls around it, and have the army guard the perimeter.Anybody who won't follow the rules of our society should not get one of OUR hard earned houses where NORMAL people live, but a shiny new one in this rehabilitation estate.Security tag everyone, and put them all on a curfew, check everyone entering and leaving the estate, and charge a quarter of their wages/dole for the house they are given.
Once these troubled families start to interfere with normal people around them, give them once chance as flutered was saying and after that, put them in the rehab estate or on the street. Thats the only solution i can think of off the top of my head, but i'm sure it would make them think twice.

bigpink

At least the army would earn their wages

jamezy

liammur wrote: »

Correct.

We get no IDA jobs and investment into the region in 13 years and now they are going to ruin the middle class areas of raheen, castletroy, caherdavin and corbally. Limerick needed massive investment for regeneration to be a success.
Instead, no jobs, no investment, end result will be areas like raheen will need to be regenerated in about 20 years time.

You are sadly on the money with that statement.

munstergirl

Rent allowance couple with 3 kids is €700, pretty much will get you a house in most parts of limerick.
Watch out for moving vans

Whatever they move i pity their poor neighbours.

bigpink

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

You tell that to the children who get sent to school without any lunch or can't do their homework because they haven't got a copybook.

Thats not a deprived area thats bad parents
I posted in a thread about Moyross its got facilities but people need to use them,but you get get the poor old talk

Report the parents if they arent feeding their kids

Insect Overlord

Deacon, keep your problems with other web-sites off this forum. Consider this your only warning. Post deleted.

Berty, thanks for posting that sound advice, but as it relates to the deleted post I have removed it.

Bigpink, I've removed your reply to Berty as it quotes a deleted post.

With regards to your feelings on the use of the term "disadvantaged area", I would like to ask you now to stop bringing it up at every available opportunity. You clearly have no understanding of how the term is used in an educational context. If you drag another thread off-topic by bringing it up again, I will ban you for trolling.

Everyone: stick to the original topic of discussion please. If anyone wants to soap-box or rant, consider starting a blog.

anti_c

we are one of the 20 familles hounded out of our home in fairview crestent garryowen it was sheer hell physical threats horrific intimidation damage to property we lived in fear all the time we had years of intimidation ant-social behaviour . it has being going on for 7 years and limerick city council done nothing to help us we cryed for help .how much more time dos limerick city council need .??????? done nothing to help the famillies of fairview crestent garryowen it has already had 7 years. maybe a other 7 years?????? of fairview hell.

Deacon

Anti C , I really feel sorry for the circumstances that you have unwillingly been forced to face. I am utterly ashamed and disgraced as a Citizen of this once great nation, of the systematic and beuracratic failures, bestowed upon Irish people like you. A nation that boasts of it's fighting spirit around the rest of the world, and where men once fought to make a differance for future generations. I am saddened to say that this is the future generation they were speaking about. The generation willing to forget the fight and plight of it's less fortunate citizens.

Please tell me more about your experiences? Did you ever call the gaurds on these people? If so what could did they do for you? Did you ever make complaints to the city council? If so how many and what was the response? What's your current situation? I can only begin to imagine the fear and helplessness that you must have felt leaving your home after having your life threathend? This behaviour warrants jail time.

It appears to me that we have some serious incompetent leaders. A leader is required in our government to be open and transparent with the public, so we can have this healthy dialoque as a society. Instead of these closed door sessions in City Hall by men and women who have entered into such an areana motivated by a status symbol. What the people need is transparancy and accountability on all issues from the City Council. Especially on circumstances like yours Anti -C, having been renedered homeless by a bunch of savages.

Anti C , I know the entities that are in place to support you like the City Council, Gaurds, and the Court System may have failed you (Clarify this point for me). In a time like this you need to reach for some higher power and connect. All the wisdom in the world could not prepare for a life shattering event that you and many families like you have experienced. Remember do not lose hope but gain strenght from your experience and know that there is still people out there willing to FIGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT. Anti -C I hold strong with you and for families just like yours all around our country. Keep fighting and do not give up or give in.

Deacon

Deacon

Very good

chucken1

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

You tell that to the children who get sent to school without any lunch or can't do their homework because they haven't got a copybook.

Theres a scheme for money for back to school!!!:rolleyes:

Henry Ford III

So, on a practical basis, what could/should/would any of us do if the Corpo bought a house close to our own, and housed some real bad people in it?

source

Henry Ford III wrote: »

So, on a practical basis, what could/should/would any of us do if the Corpo bought a house close to our own, and housed some real bad people in it?

Well a large private house was bought by North Tipp County Council a year or two back in Ballina, Co. Tipperary for a traveller family. The house mysteriously burned down before the family could move in. Very extreme, but i would say that protest of the council, and not showing fear to the family would be a good start.

Lets say you live in an estate with 100 or so houses, 1 family move in and start to make life hell. there should be 99 families standing united against them. As with everything else in this city, the many seem paralysed by fear of what the few will do to them. If people stood with their neighbours in a situation like this then we wouldn't have half the problems we have today.

Instead they say "It's not my problem" and close their door. Well in my mind if you don't do anything to help stop the decline of your estate, then you are just as much a part of the problem as the little scuts that have moved in.

Raiser

foinse wrote: »

Lets say you live in an estate with 100 or so houses, 1 family move in and start to make life hell. there should be 99 families standing united against them. As with everything else in this city, the many seem paralysed by fear of what the few will do to them.

I think one major problem is that most of the time the "few" can drag the conflict down to the lowest level while happily escalating it to the highest degree because

a) They have fcuk all to lose in terms of social standing, decency, dignity or respect.

b) They are Scumbags who would be quite happy to, for example, have a fistfight with a Neighbour in their stained jocks at 4am while their Wife and Kids screamed (or egged them on) beside them on the Street.

The ordinary Joe isn't going to fare well against these Folks, prob. not even in numbers.

I can only assume their needs to be a legislative change brought in where the only thing they respect and obey is threatened with being removed....... Their Benefits/Entitlements/Dutch Gold Allowance ....... Acting like a Prick for 20 years and ridiculing the norms of decent Society should carry a penalty....... Why shouldn't they ever have to face any consequnces?

Berty

Raiser wrote: »

I can only assume their needs to be a legislative change brought in where the only thing they respect and obey is threatened with being removed....... Their Benefits/Entitlements/Dutch Gold Allowance/

You mean like the new programme from government where you will now have to work for your benefits.

Unless they all pile onto illness benefit. I was on the phone to illness benefit yesterday for my OH and I asked how busy they were. She said they are 600% busier on the phones since the government announced the work for benefits scheme.

Feckin layabouts. BTW my OH needs the benefit, she doesnt just want it.

Limerick_Lass

chucken1 wrote: »

Theres a scheme for money for back to school!!!:rolleyes:

Yes but some parents find other uses for this money!

Karmafaerie

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

You tell that to the children who get sent to school without any lunch or can't do their homework because they haven't got a copybook.

I spent the start of my childhood in Moyross, my sister even more so.
I had cousins and friends who lived in Balananty, and down the Island Field.
And we never went to school withut lunches and the only time I ever went in without a copy book was when I conveniently "forgot" the copy that had my homework on it!:D

My parents worked hard, and went above and beyond when it came to making sure I had as much as possible, right down to squeezing pennies for years so we could move from Moyross, for the express reason that my parents wanted us kids to have a better address for when applying to schools/jobs/etc.

These children are only deprived by their parents who aren't providing for them.
A copy costs about 20 cent.
There is no excuse ever for a parent to send their child to school without.
And as for lunch, you can provide lunch for your child for a week for a few euros.

As has been pointed out, there are school book schemes, and childrens allowance, and subsidised lunch schemes, and so on and so on for children going to school, but instead of being responsible, there are people who take that money and spend it on "other things" as another poster pointed out.
And they do this cause they know if they don't pay for their childrens books, the state will.


And as for the idea of deprived.
I started school in Corpus Christi in the "deprived area".
When we moved I ended up in St Bridgets NS.
Where as a child I was really disapointed as we only had a fraction of the facilities.
The deprived area had a more modern building (I was in a prefab in St Bridgets), better toys (I was only a child after all), and lots other things.
Also my parents had to pay for the heating every year.

We had a few green areas where we could play football or whatever.
In Moyross there's outreach programmes, community centers, sports days, etc, etc, etc.
A friend of mine is in the army, and he tells me that they get sent to these deprived areas to organise excursions and events for the children.

There is a hell of a lot more money funnelled into these "deprived areas" than in the other estates.

Yes some of these children are deprived, but that is because of their parents, not the area.

MissHoneyBun

Karmafaerie I'm not sure why you feel the need to target a defensive response in my direction when I'm clearly not referring to people like you or your family.

Secondly, regardless of what benefits are made available to parents who claim to need them, a teacher cannot determine how that money is spent so I think your post is somewhat misguided in that regard.

Thirdly, a school is afforded DEIS status assessed upon the level of disadvantage pertinent to an area, not one or two children, just to make you aware of the facts that you're needlessly taking issue with.

campo

Going off topic here but the whole kids going to school without a lunch thing because there parents spent the allowance the recieved on Dutch Gold or new PJ's in Penneys, what I think should happen is bring back the old bun and Milk programme when I was a kid growing up in the Island Field I came from a family who honestly could not afford a lot, a sandwich to me was just bread and butter but the school I went to St. Senans used to have a bun and milk scheme so at lunch time you go up and collect your carton of milk and bun.

Why not bring this back maybe a juice and sandwich scheme and dont give the parents any money, plus when it comes to school uniforms and so on they should just get vouchers instead of cash to be spent in O'Mahoneys or Easons or wherever

Karmafaerie

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

Karmafaerie I'm not sure why you feel the need to target a defensive response in my direction when I'm clearly not referring to people like you or your family.

Secondly, regardless of what benefits are made available to parents who claim to need them, a teacher cannot determine how that money is spent so I think your post is somewhat misguided in that regard.

Thirdly, a school is afforded DEIS status assessed upon the level of disadvantage pertinent to an area, not one or two children hence my use of the term that you have taken issue with.

MHB.
I wasn't making any kind of attack on you.
But on the idea that these children don't have adequate lunches or work books because of the area that they are in.
If any child comes into your class without copies, it's not because their parent couldn't afford them, it's because the parent chose to spend that money on something else.

It's not the childs fault, but in nearly all cases it's not the states fault either.
They supply enough money for a parent, whether they be working or unemployed, to provide adequately for their child.
Some parents however take this money and spend it on other things.
So the child then has nothing.

There are a lot of problems in Ireland with anti-social elements ruining estates.
They do this because they have no respect for their own possesions, so of course will have no respect for others.
How could they?

You have to understand that these people don't pay for their houses.
They don't pay for their furniture.
Their heating.
They don't work for their money.
etc...

If they get a new couch from the state, they often wreck it, and then just go back and get another.
So when you grow up with this kind of revolving door philosophy, of having no concept of ownership or pride in your own belongings, you don't respect other peoples, leading to the kind of situations that this thread was started about.

There's a semi-infamous story about a family from the island field, who was moved house because they physically gutted the original house they were given.
When the corporation went to the house, they found that nearly all the furniture was gone, the floorboards had been ripped up, the stairs had been dismantled.
And do you want to know why?
They burned them for fuel.
They were given a fuel allowance, but instead spent that money on other things, so they destroyed the house, and then were simply moved to new one that spring.

Were that family deprived?
They were given a free house, free furniture, and free money for fuel but they chose to spend that on other things, and destroy what could have been a home for a regular family.


Our issue isn't that there are no deprived children.
It's that the parents of these children probably see more money in their hands every week than your average Limerick family, but abuse the system, and leave us with the bill.

More facilities in these areas won't help, as more often than not they are abused, and destroyed.
How do you think that areas with less are so much nicer?
Because people in the middle class areas work hard for their belongings so take care of them.


As I said before, the areas aren't deprived, the children you are speaking about are, but it is because of their parents, not the area or the state.

Karmafaerie

campo wrote: »

Going off topic here but the whole kids going to school without a lunch thing because there parents spent the allowance the recieved on Dutch Gold or new PJ's in Penneys, what I think should happen is bring back the old bun and Milk programme when I was a kid growing up in the Island Field I came from a family who honestly could not afford a lot, a sandwich to me was just bread and butter but the school I went to St. Senans used to have a bun and milk scheme so at lunch time you go up and collect your carton of milk and bun.

Why not bring this back maybe a juice and sandwich scheme and dont give the parents any money, plus when it comes to school uniforms and so on they should just get vouchers instead of cash to be spent in O'Mahoneys or Easons or wherever

We had the same scheme ourselves, but I hated it as the milkman used to deliver the milk at about 6am, so it would be sitting in the summer sun (back when we had summer sun!) for 3 hours before being brought in.
Not many of us drank the milk!:(

MissHoneyBun

Karmafaerie wrote: »

It's not the childs fault, but in nearly all cases it's not the states fault either. the children you are speaking about are, but it is because of their parents, not the area or the state.

Do you think I actually don't know this or something?
As I've already explained to you, I referred to working in a deprived area as schools cater for a catchment area and are awarded DEIS status based on such.

If you wish to put forth an argument, by all means do so. I just don't understand why you're counteracting points I've never made. Don't put words in my mouth when I've never said anything to the contrary regarding the majority of your points.

Karmafaerie

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

Do you think I actually don't know this or something?
As I've already explained to you, I referred to working in a deprived area as schools cater for a catchment area and are awarded DEIS status based on such.

If you wish to put forth an argument, by all means do so. I just don't understand why you're counteracting points I've never made. Don't put words in my mouth when I've never said anything to the contrary regarding the majority of your points.

It's the terminology htat you used.
You said that you were going to work in a deprived area.
When somebody stated that they disagreed with that term, and that it wasn't a deprived area, you disagreed with a statement about deprived children with no lunches or copy books.

That has nothing to do with the area.

If you were referring to the area as laid out by its DEIS status, you should really have said that.
Not implied that the area was deprived due to parents not caring for their children.

If you wanted to

kilburn

lads give over the arguing will ye, in nearly every topic in this forum people pick a fight, please act like civilised adults

anti_c

thank you deacon my experience was hell darkness fairview crestent garryowen loneliness helplenness limerick city council let us down so did the did councllors of garryowen all they do is discuss ant_social behaviour for 7 years and did nothing we where on our own.there are serious problems in fairview crestent and they where allowed to grow.they where well flagged and nothing has being done.we where abandoned limerick city council one of the darkest places fairview-hell.

liammur

anti_c wrote: »

thank you deacon my experience was hell darkness fairview crestent garryowen loneliness helplenness limerick city council let us down so did the did councllors of garryowen all they do is discuss ant_social behaviour for 7 years and did nothing we where on our own.there are serious problems in fairview crestent and they where allowed to grow.they where well flagged and nothing has being done.we where abandoned limerick city council one of the darkest places fairview-hell.

Limerick is simply too small for regeneration to be a success.
There are plenty of ghost estates around the country which need to be filled. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise that we could fill some of these house and alleviate the regeneration problem at the same time. Wake up politicians.

Berty

liammur wrote: »

Limerick is simply too small for regeneration to be a success.
There are plenty of ghost estates around the country which need to be filled. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise that we could fill some of these house and alleviate the regeneration problem at the same time. Wake up politicians.

You must be kidding, right!

Why should people in Ghost estates have their houses devalued by having "council houses" with them. If I come to sell my house I don't want people saying "oh he has HSE and Council houses all around him so I will offer him much less than normal".

My house is already devalued enough as it is.

I moved out of a council estate 3 years ago and I will damned if the place is chasing after me!

Deacon

Folks

I believe that everybodies post here is on the money. I guess what we have all identified here in the above posts is that the system that is in place at the moment is failing and has failed us for much too long. Creating the society of people, who expect things has fostered a grossly indecent and ungrateful people. We all want want want. Truth is we all can't have have have. Maybe for the last 20 years we could thanks to credit cards, jobs , and credit lines, borrowed equity in our homes. "Times they are a changin" Bob dylan. There is far less resourses available to the the City Council than their once was. Why waste money and resources on the worst form of anti social families in the country, while the 20 families that have been almost rendered homeless have no recourse for been the victims. It don't make no sense to me?

Right now, we face an uncertain future, banks credit lines are down..business is slow(Shannon airport, is being depleted, regeneration is necessary for our future success, services across all sectors are slashed, migration is on the rise (Here comes the brain drain again), Morals have become loose, we lost our religion as a nation (probably for a good reason.) Street crime and gang violence on rise and more drugs than ever before on our streets. Some leaderless politicians, not being proactive with implementing new laws to protect it's Citizens, just like anti C and her/his family above.

Admist all these issues that we face in our everyday life. We must never lose sight of what is right and wrong. When our Leaders fail us , we must actively take part and voice our opinions when things are blatently wrong. Write letters to these politicians voicing your opinions on whats right and wrong. Is this not, why we vote them in in the first place, to represent our best interests as a society? If they do not represent your best interests talk about them. Have an open dialogue with facts. Engage the public with your story. This is absolutely legal and this is transparent. Do not be told otherwise,anything to the contrary is scaremongering.

With the original posting above. I suggest that anti-C , and all the families document every visit you have had with any City Council Person with regards to the bullying , Threat to your life's and property" and when and if these politicians fail you , report it on the newspaper. People your happiness and your familes wellbeing is worth fighting for.

Deacon

liammur

Berty wrote: »

You must be kidding, right!

Why should people in Ghost estates have their houses devalued by having "council houses" with them. If I come to sell my house I don't want people saying "oh he has HSE and Council houses all around him so I will offer him much less than normal".

My house is already devalued enough as it is.

I moved out of a council estate 3 years ago and I will damned if the place is chasing after me!

That's the problem at the moment, they are filling areas with them.
What i propose is as follows: If 3 were moved to say mullingar, 3 more to leitrim, 3 more to galway etc, no 1 area would be seriously devalued.

Kess73

Berty wrote: »

You must be kidding, right!

Why should people in Ghost estates have their houses devalued by having "council houses" with them. If I come to sell my house I don't want people saying "oh he has HSE and Council houses all around him so I will offer him much less than normal".

My house is already devalued enough as it is.

I moved out of a council estate 3 years ago and I will damned if the place is chasing after me!

Going by how many have already being placed in houses in the Murroe and Newport areas, I think it is already chasing after you.