Jobs, Jobs and More Jobs

imme

You know when people say,
'yeah, but there are no jobs out there'.

This is a refrain that I hear all to often relayed in the media.
I just had a look on http://www.jobs.ie/ are do in fact appear to be jobs out there.:eek:


So, who's telling the truth. Or is there something else at play here. Do people want jobs on their terms.

What's the answer? Are there jobs available to be filled.
Maybe it's the case that there just aren't enough of them.

The amount of jobseekers far outweigh the amount of available jobs.

gurramok

I'm not a jobseeker but you will find from the other fora here of agencies putting up fake job adverts in order to get cv's in.

Gone West

It doesn´t affect me, but you ARE aware that most jobs on those sites are not, in fact real jobs these days?

Most of my friends with degrees have jobs,most of those without degrees are on the dole.

Fries-With-That

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of my friends with degrees have jobs,most of those without degrees are on the dole.

Most of my friends without degrees have jobs, most of those with degrees are on the dole.

demonspawn

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of my friends with degrees have jobs,most of those without degrees are on the dole.

Fries-With-That wrote: »

Most of my friends without degrees have jobs, most of those with degrees are on the dole.

I don't have friends, I don't have a degree, I'm on the dole, but don't get rent allowance. Do I win something?

Mister men

They are fake jobs to get your CV. There are next to no jobs out there.

Tora Bora

Fries-With-That wrote: »

Most of my friends without degrees have jobs, most of those with degrees are on the dole.

And as often as not, those without the degrees make better employees .....

enda1

Tora Bora wrote: »

And as often as not, those without the degrees make better employees .....

If the employment is stocking shelves.
If the employment is doctor, dentist, engineer, accountant, etc. etc. then no.

the_syco

imme wrote: »

Do people want jobs on their terms.

Yes. They want jobs that pay. None of this WPP1 sh|te where you get paid your dole money, work for free, and then stop working after 6 months. They want to be paid properly, and work.

Nijmegen

Jobs.ie has a good feature - go into a section, and at the top click the "exclude agencies" button and search. It's a different picture.

I was looking at one of the jobs sites (maybe Irishjobs, I can't quite remember) that had just over 200 jobs listed in the sales and marketing section. Over 190 of them were from agencies.

Not all agency job postings are fake, but something for jobseekers to be aware of:

1. Some are - the agencies are collecting CV's to pitch to companies without being solicited, the more they have, the better likelyhood they have the right candidate
2. Agencies are chasing jobs with employers without being solicited, meaning that if you found the same job on the company careers section and applied for it you're in the same race... Except, if an agency places you, it'll cost the employer upwards of 10-15% of your salary as the payment to the agency, possibly reducing your chances compared to a direct entry

Agencies make their money from placing candidates, obviously, and while some are retained by companies who outsource their HR to them, this is not the norm. When they say "My client", they have not always (or, often) been retained by that company - they are simply pitching CV's at them.

Similarly, see job ads from employers, many of which explicitly state "No agency help required." I have job agencies pitching me candidate profiles from nowhere on a daily basis, on the off chance I might be looking for someone.

A much better indicator of the job situation is the amount of actual employers who are recruiting.

Tora Bora

enda1 wrote: »

If the employment is stocking shelves.
If the employment is doctor, dentist, engineer, accountant, etc. etc. then no.

The degreed doctors, consultants, managers, in the health system, are purely infallible .......... shure thats why there is no fcuk ups :pac:

Ah, the accountants ................ very important people there, very smart, and educated, and got degrees to prove it. Shure werent there loads of them manning the defences, when Seanie and a few more of the boys went amuck ........... them smart accounants spotted the whole thing and shouted stop. Them big boys in the big five or six auditing firms, saved the system. We owe them an eternal debt of gratitude :cool:

The degree gets you in, but it dont make you any good ........ necessarily. That's all I'm saying.

ei.sdraob

There are other avenues to getting jobs beside jobs site, its called having friends. I was asked yesterday if i personally would know any soft engineer for a job here in west looking for job and having required skills for a specific job. Thats how some jobs are filled, word of mouth and recommendations, some companies still give out bonuses when a right person is referred .

seamus

It's hard to tell who is and isn't right here.

There's no doubt that the jobs market is slow and competitive - unless you match the spec exactly or know someone in the company, then you're unlikely to be even thanked for your application.
And yes, recruiters are putting jobs out there with nothing to back it up.

However, there was a big hoo-haa made on Monday about the T2 jobs in Dublin Airport. Claims that 500 positions received 15,000 applications. Sounds like a whopping amount, but when you boil the figures down, that's 30 applications per position. That sounds busy, but it's certainly not incredible - similar figures were not unheard of during the boom time.

However, it would be more interesting to see the breakdown of the above figures by the level of the job. Perhaps the management roles only received 5 or 6 applications, while the lower-level jobs - cleaning, maintenance - received a few hundred applications. Or vice-versa. Knowing what level the shortfall in jobs is at, is vital in knowing how to tackle it. That is, there's no pointing in pumping money into generating "knowledge economy", degree-required jobs if the vast majority of job seekers are looking for manual or entry-level work.

kevteljeur

Nijmegen wrote: »

Jobs.ie has a good feature - go into a section, and at the top click the "exclude agencies" button and search. It's a different picture.

I was looking at one of the jobs sites (maybe Irishjobs, I can't quite remember) that had just over 200 jobs listed in the sales and marketing section. Over 190 of them were from agencies.

Not all agency job postings are fake, but something for jobseekers to be aware of:

1. Some are - the agencies are collecting CV's to pitch to companies without being solicited, the more they have, the better likelyhood they have the right candidate
2. Agencies are chasing jobs with employers without being solicited, meaning that if you found the same job on the company careers section and applied for it you're in the same race... Except, if an agency places you, it'll cost the employer upwards of 10-15% of your salary as the payment to the agency, possibly reducing your chances compared to a direct entry

Agencies make their money from placing candidates, obviously, and while some are retained by companies who outsource their HR to them, this is not the norm. When they say "My client", they have not always (or, often) been retained by that company - they are simply pitching CV's at them.

Similarly, see job ads from employers, many of which explicitly state "No agency help required." I have job agencies pitching me candidate profiles from nowhere on a daily basis, on the off chance I might be looking for someone.

A much better indicator of the job situation is the amount of actual employers who are recruiting.

In 2008 I had the interesting experience of finding a job posted on Monster for which I was ideally suited. This was because it was, in fact, the core of my own CV, badly copied and pasted, and posted by the recruiter I had been working with and talking to on a daily basis. I should have applied for it, but settled for a mild confrontation instead. Embarrassing, to say the least.

I've also been pitched to the same client by several recruiters all at different price points, and heard worse from some friends, who were threatened and verbally abused for not going through to interview with a job for they had been put forward for without their knowledge. I've ended up having to tightly manage the information about me which I make available, and playing a bit rough.

With all due respect to the recruiters reading this (there are some good ones out there that I've dealt with), there are more than a few who are giving the rest a bad name in what should be a regulated industry. It does make it look like the job situation is so much better, when in fact there are 5 ads per job available from 4 agencies plus the original, with another 5 which are basically just honeypots in case another of the same comes up later.


k

thebman

Pretty much all recruitment agencies post fakes jobs from what I can see.

If you tick exclude agencies on jobs.ie at 20 jobs a page for 20 pages, you have 400 jobs nationwide if you don't select any other filter criteria.

That is quiet pitiful when you look at the number of people seeking work.

Also employers aren't impartial to looking like they are trying to fill positions in their company to their departments and posting a job description that nobody can meet such as 30 years .net 2.0 experience required.

Sometimes its an exageration or a HR person writing it and sometimes it is a company trying to look like they are hiring internally when really they are in financial difficulties and have no desire to fill the position.

yrwhu8jxtni06a

Go out there and work for nothing as bill would say :rolleyes:

liammur

imme wrote: »

You know when people say,
'yeah, but there are no jobs out there'.

This is a refrain that I hear all to often relayed in the media.
I just had a look on http://www.jobs.ie/ are do in fact appear to be jobs out there.:eek:


So, who's telling the truth. Or is there something else at play here. Do people want jobs on their terms.

What's the answer? Are there jobs available to be filled.
Maybe it's the case that there just aren't enough of them.

Another problem we have is that the government is so focused on dublin they have neglected many areas of the country, end result is that there are very few jobs in certain regions.

RichardAnd

Many of the jobs on jobs.ie are figments of someone's imagination and many others are recruitment agencies (the scum of the earth in many ways) trying to "harvest CVs".

Also, have a closer look at the jobs too. Plenty of them are real but most seem to be highly skilled and are more suited to people moving between jobs rather than those looking for one from unemployment.

Cookie_Monster

Mister men wrote: »

They are fake jobs to get your CV. There are next to no jobs out there.

there's loads in certain fields. I've had 3 different recruitment agencies contact me asking would I be interested in putting my CV forward. I'm not even looking for a job, I have one :eek:
or maybe I'm just super amazing;)

The_Honeybadger

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there's loads. I've had 3 different recruitment agencies contact me asking would I be interested in putting my CV forward. I'm not even looking for a job, I have one :eek:

Good for you, but it really does depend on your skillset and experience. Some people with good qualifications and experience in a vibrant field will always get work, I presume you fall into this category (I don't know your background). There is a difference between this type of jobseeker, and somebody who was laid off from a construction job 18 months ago. It is this type of worker that typically makes up our newly unemployed, and they will find it incredibly difficult to find something new without significant retraining, even then getting experience will be difficult right now, and nobody is hiring at the moment without experience.

It looks like I will be jobhunting this side of Xmas so I have been looking around, and it is not as bad as I thought it would be. There are some (real) jobs out there but the starting salaries are at least 20-30% lower than this time three years ago, and I expect competition to be fierce. On recruitment agencies posting fake jobs, that was happening even during the boom and they can usually be spotted a mile off, local papers are probably a better guide to the jobs market in any particular area.

RichardAnd

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there's loads. I've had 3 different recruitment agencies contact me asking would I be interested in putting my CV forward. I'm not even looking for a job, I have one :eek:
or maybe I'm just super amazing;)

My Dad gets contacted by recruitment agencies all the time and he absolutely loathes them. However, rather than telling to f**k off, he tends to humour them and waste their time in various ways.

I was also advised years ago by a software engineer of many years experience that I should NEVER give my details to an agency. Apparently, they once arranged an interview for him and did not give him the correct info on the job. He went in thinking it was a C++ gig but the company wanted a .Net developer and as a result, he looked like a fool.

Agencies, HR managers and all the other middle men in a job hunt are simple human speed bumps that you must over come. It sucks, it's a pain in the back side but even in the Celtic tiger, these people existed and justified their existence by making it a little harder for everyone else.

Nijmegen

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there's loads. I've had 3 different recruitment agencies contact me asking would I be interested in putting my CV forward. I'm not even looking for a job, I have one :eek:
or maybe I'm just super amazing;)

Recruitment agencies make money on placing candidates.

The wider a pool of candidates, the more likely they can fill a role.

Just because they want your CV doesn't mean there's a job there.

I deal with employment agencies from the other side of the fence, and know the game well.

As I say, if you really want to know how many jobs are going, tick 'exclude agencies'.

There's 450,000+ people unemployed you have to fill in for.

Cookie_Monster

mickeyk wrote: »

Good for you, but it really does depend on your skillset and experience. Some people with good qualifications and experience in a vibrant field will always get work, I presume you fall into this category (I don't know your background). There is a difference between this type of jobseeker, and somebody who was laid off from a construction job 18 months ago. It is this type of worker that typically makes up our newly unemployed, and they will find it incredibly difficult to find something new without significant retraining, even then getting experience will be difficult right now, and nobody is hiring at the moment without experience.

It looks like I will be jobhunting this side of Xmas so I have been looking around, and it is not as bad as I thought it would be. There are some (real) jobs out there but the starting salaries are at least 20-30% lower than this time three years ago, and I expect competition to be fierce. On recruitment agencies posting fake jobs, that was happening even during the boom and they can usually be spotted a mile off, local papers are probably a better guide to the jobs market in any particular area.

I do agree with everything you said, I am in an industry that isn't hugely affected (accounting & finance) and there is a lot of growth in the sector as companies realise the need for new and greater forms of management of the money they have.

In general it seems to be a case of professional and "skillless*" are ok and even recovering whereas trades have been decimated.

* best term I could think of, I don't mean any kind of offence by it.

Nijmegen wrote: »

Recruitment agencies make money on placing candidates.
The wider a pool of candidates, the more likely they can fill a role.
Just because they want your CV doesn't mean there's a job there.

true again. Same thing happened to me this time last years too though. Cv was picked up by agencies and had a new job within two weeks, so fingers crossed

bbam

seamus wrote: »

That is, there's no pointing in pumping money into generating "knowledge economy", degree-required jobs if the vast majority of job seekers are looking for manual or entry-level work.

Ah yes the knowlege economy..
there are a few facts that people need to understand, then the knowlege economy idea will be clear...

We have hundereds or "paddy the plasterers" and their friends in FAS training courses at the moment, they are being "retrained" for this new economy. I can't see this happening, these short training courses are not going to qualify people to join this economy... It just looks good to be doing it and you're off the long term unemployed register for a while.

In chasing the knowlege economy the government have decided to right off a whole generation of people who have other skills and who cannot go back to college to re qualify to join in...

Where will these jobs be ??
I doubt these companies will be communicating with string and youghart pots tied together so anywhere outside Dublin, Cork & Galway are near right off's to live in..

The current regeim in charge are essentially tinkering around in the hope that the world economy picks up, saves us, and then hey-presto they will claim to have solved all problems..
If FG and co get in the first statement will be "things are much worse that we thought, this will take some time to sort out", they too will tinker about waiting for the global market to save us... same hey-presto result..

The sad thing is that people are frustrated because our leadership cann't or wont do anything to help us from this crisis.... They can't, they didn't see it coming and when they did they started covering their dirty little tracks...

The_Honeybadger

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

In general it seems to be a case of professional and "skillless*" are ok and even recovering whereas trades have been decimated.

* best term I could think of, I don't mean any kind of offence by it.

Yep, a professional qualification is the way to go to ensure you will almost never be out of work, alot of graduates coming out of college in future with general degrees such as arts or business etc will struggle to get jobs in future IMO. Thats not saying there aren't plenty of accountants and solicitors on the dole at the moment, there are, but we are in extraordinary times right now where the economy is in paralysis. It is almost as if a general degree is the equivelent of your leaving cert twenty years ago. This leaves our newly unemployed, particularly those from the trades with alot of catching up to do unfortunately, unless we have another construction boom..

The_Honeybadger

bbam wrote: »

We have hundereds or "paddy the plasterers" and their friends in FAS training courses at the moment, they are being "retrained" for this new economy. I can't see this happening, these short training courses are not going to qualify people to join this economy... It just looks good to be doing it and you're off the long term unemployed register for a while.

In chasing the knowlege economy the government have decided to right off a whole generation of people who have other skills and who cannot go back to college to re qualify to join in...

I have some dealings with FAS as part of my job, the only thing they are interested in at the moment is statistics, getting as many people as possible through some sort of course, any course at all, to make it look like they are being productive. Quality of delivery has gone completely out the window, it's a case of get x amount of trainees through as cheaply as possible, knowledge economy my a**e!! Some of these course are completely useless for anything other than massaging the live register figures unfortunately.

newman10

imme wrote: »

You know when people say,
'yeah, but there are no jobs out there'.

This is a refrain that I hear all to often relayed in the media.
I just had a look on http://www.jobs.ie/ are do in fact appear to be jobs out there.:eek:


So, who's telling the truth. Or is there something else at play here. Do people want jobs on their terms.

What's the answer? Are there jobs available to be filled.
Maybe it's the case that there just aren't enough of them.

Was looking at a job this morning. 1 sales position advertised 4 ways by 2 agencies. 12 agency adverts for 1 job

dan_d

There's a ridiculous amount of repetitiveness in those websites.

Having said that, have you looked at the FAS jobs site?? I was thinking about this a few weeks ago - think I posted it in some other forum. There does appear to be quite a number of jobs out there. But there's a number of problems.

Firstly, if you take contract/temporary work, you lose out on a lot of benefits. Plus the length of time it's taking for Social Welfare to process applications - it's a total waste signing on and off, coz you'd be completely bewildered and worse, you'd be making them more confused than they already are.

If you sign on and off you lose entitlement to a lot of back to education grants etc.

If you take part time work, you lose benefits.

Many people view a job's payments (particularly "unskilled" jobs), as versus the dole - they'll consider what they get on the dole vs what they would get in pay (less taxes) each week, and based on that, many don't bother applying because they get "6eur more each week on the dole for doing nothing" (I know this isn't everyone, and I know this is being debated elsewhere, but I've heard people saying this)

Many people have totally unrealistic expectations regarding what should be paid. This goes for those with and without degrees.

Fundamentally the system is set up in such a way that once you're on it, there's not much incentive to get off it, unless you're motivated and want to work. And naturally, there are those out there who aren't and don't.

On another note - I am unemployed. I am a qualified civil engineer, with 5 years of good experience behind me. I'm looking outside the construction industry for work, because there are no jobs there. And to be quite honest, I'm finding it very hard. Most jobs out there are IT (which I have no experience or qualifications in) or higher level financial management positions (which I have no experience or qualifications in). I'm looking at masters or part time courses - many of which were closed for entry when I was made unemployed, due to the time of year, so I'll have to wait another year to get any decent ones. I'm still looking into other courses...however I have to limit them to part time in case I get a job. If I take a full time masters, or whatever, I won't get paid social welfare, and like everyone, I have bills to pay too.

Salary expectations don't even enter into it.Finding a job that I fulfilled even one or two of the insane requirements that are being looked for would be enough for me to apply to them. I know I could do receptionist/office admin work with no problems, but because I haven't got experience in it, I'm being turned down...even though I'm very computer literate, and spent many hours in my last job doing admin/management/quality/paperwork. I have a friend that's been told he hasn't enough retail experience for a job in Lidl......

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you OP, I think there are more jobs out there than people like to make out, and I think there are people out there with ridiculous expectations. However I also think there are far more unemployed than there are vacant positions, and that some companies have ridiculous expectations of their potential candidates.

And as for me personally, I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place...:(

Nijmegen

Re: college dan_d, I know that quite a few are still open to entry at this stage even. One of my staff is enrolling as I speak...

dan_d

Nijmegen wrote: »

Re: college dan_d, I know that quite a few are still open to entry at this stage even. One of my staff is enrolling as I speak...

Can you PM me a couple of details? I'm Dublin based.

donkey balls

ah the good aul job sites with all those fale jobs as for people with a degree i have worked with many who would not know their arse from elbow in the field that they studied in.:eek:
i have posted in the jobs forum about going for interveiws and the recruiter was more interested in my refs on the C.V(looking for biz leads/placements),now i dont have a degree in my field(have diploma&transport mgr licence)but yet i can work in a variety of jobs within my sector.
i have seen some jobs both on jobs.ie&fas looking for Professional truck drivers and yet the pay is 70/80e a day while working upto 15hrs a day:eek:, there is some employers/agencies out there taking advantage of our current climate paying people f**k all, while you have a few that pay you a decent wage and still make a profit.
next time you see a tesco truck going by more than likely the person driving will be getting paid the min wage:eek:.

Mr. Loverman

There are jobs out there, I know because I'm looking for one and have had interviews! Just search with "exclude agencies" ticked, like this 5,360 real jobs

donkey balls

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

There are jobs out there, I know because I'm looking for one and have had interviews! Just search with "exclude agencies" ticked, like this 5,360 real jobs

i just had a look at the link you posted and included agencies the first job was for a well known blue chip company and the 2nd job looked like a copy and paste from the agency had the same job spec:rolleyes:.
linky
http://www.dole.ie/search/basic/category/25/disabledCategory/all/

Mr. Loverman

donkey balls wrote: »

i just had a look at the link you posted and included agencies the first job was for a well known blue chip company and the 2nd job looked like a copy and paste from the agency had the same job spec:rolleyes:.
linky
http://www.dole.ie/search/basic/category/25/disabledCategory/all/

Yeah you have to click "exclude agencies".

previous user

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of my friends with degrees have jobs,most of those without degrees are on the dole.

ahhh the elitist badge of education rears it's ugly elitist head again, bravo.

donkey balls

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Yeah you have to click "exclude agencies".

yeah i did that:D i just wanted to show people what these agencies get upto i know for a fact that large bluechip companies always hire from within.

bbam

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

There are jobs out there, I know because I'm looking for one and have had interviews! Just search with "exclude agencies" ticked, like this 5,360 real jobs

That's 5,360 real jobs...
Less the 515 that are under CE schemes

That's 4,845 jobs.... with 450,000 unemployed, 92 people unemployed per job on that site... Not exactly jobs..jobs...jobs

Mr. Loverman

donkey balls wrote: »

yeah i did that:D i just wanted to show people what these agencies get upto i know for a fact that large bluechip companies always hire from within.

Yeah, I'm no fan of agencies myself, that's why you always have to click "exclude agencies". Otherwise you get the ****e you just experienced.

Mr. Loverman

bbam wrote: »

That's 5,360 real jobs...
Less the 515 that are under CE schemes

That's 4,845 jobs.... with 450,000 unemployed, 92 people unemployed per job on that site... Not exactly jobs..jobs...jobs

Ah yeah, I wasn't trying to say the country is bursting with jobs, I was just pointing out there are jobs out there. A lot of people are claiming there are no jobs...

anndub

ei.sdraob wrote: »

There are other avenues to getting jobs beside jobs site, its called having friends. I was asked yesterday if i personally would know any soft engineer for a job here in west looking for job and having required skills for a specific job. Thats how some jobs are filled, word of mouth and recommendations, some companies still give out bonuses when a right person is referred .

Yeah, that's part of the problem in a country this small. It's more about who you know than what you know

donkey balls

im with a company at present(agency/temping) and was told by one of the managers that there could be a full time position with them in the next few weeks,they already took one person on last week and yet none of the jobs are advertised so it's down to a bit of networking.

Sea Sharp

We need a couple of hundred thousand new jobs to be created for our economy to be 'good' again. The amount of jobs out there at the minute, although it might seem like a lot, is only a tiny fraction of the number of jobs needed by the job-seekers. Considering that unemployment is likely to rise further, for every job advertised, there are also jobs ending with and without redundancy packages.
It will take a minimum of 3 years of good economic growth before there are enough jobs for those actively seeking employment. This rate of growth probably won't happen in the next few years as it depends on the rest of the world sorting their economies out.
We could be looking at 10 years before things are good again.

Mr. Loverman

Sea Sharp wrote: »

We could be looking at 10 years before things are good again.

And is it even possible to have things as "good" again without needing to create another bubble?

anndub

dan_d wrote: »

There's a ridiculous amount of repetitiveness in those websites.

Having said that, have you looked at the FAS jobs site?? I was thinking about this a few weeks ago - think I posted it in some other forum. There does appear to be quite a number of jobs out there. But there's a number of problems.

Firstly, if you take contract/temporary work, you lose out on a lot of benefits. Plus the length of time it's taking for Social Welfare to process applications - it's a total waste signing on and off, coz you'd be completely bewildered and worse, you'd be making them more confused than they already are.

If you sign on and off you lose entitlement to a lot of back to education grants etc.

If you take part time work, you lose benefits.

Many people view a job's payments (particularly "unskilled" jobs), as versus the dole - they'll consider what they get on the dole vs what they would get in pay (less taxes) each week, and based on that, many don't bother applying because they get "6eur more each week on the dole for doing nothing" (I know this isn't everyone, and I know this is being debated elsewhere, but I've heard people saying this)

Many people have totally unrealistic expectations regarding what should be paid. This goes for those with and without degrees.

Fundamentally the system is set up in such a way that once you're on it, there's not much incentive to get off it, unless you're motivated and want to work. And naturally, there are those out there who aren't and don't.

On another note - I am unemployed. I am a qualified civil engineer, with 5 years of good experience behind me. I'm looking outside the construction industry for work, because there are no jobs there. And to be quite honest, I'm finding it very hard. Most jobs out there are IT (which I have no experience or qualifications in) or higher level financial management positions (which I have no experience or qualifications in). I'm looking at masters or part time courses - many of which were closed for entry when I was made unemployed, due to the time of year, so I'll have to wait another year to get any decent ones. I'm still looking into other courses...however I have to limit them to part time in case I get a job. If I take a full time masters, or whatever, I won't get paid social welfare, and like everyone, I have bills to pay too.

Salary expectations don't even enter into it.Finding a job that I fulfilled even one or two of the insane requirements that are being looked for would be enough for me to apply to them. I know I could do receptionist/office admin work with no problems, but because I haven't got experience in it, I'm being turned down...even though I'm very computer literate, and spent many hours in my last job doing admin/management/quality/paperwork. I have a friend that's been told he hasn't enough retail experience for a job in Lidl......

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you OP, I think there are more jobs out there than people like to make out, and I think there are people out there with ridiculous expectations. However I also think there are far more unemployed than there are vacant positions, and that some companies have ridiculous expectations of their potential candidates.

And as for me personally, I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place...:(

Hi, If you see a course you're interested in most colleges will allow you entry regardless of when the closing date was, providing there's space on the course. Im aware of two people who did this in UCD last year. Not only had they missed the closing date of application, but also 1-2 weeks of start of term! Just call the admin departments. They should direct you to the relevent people.
Also, if you recieved a redundancy payment when you finished up work you will be entitled to a back to education allowance for any full time third level course of duration minimum 1 year.

dave45dave

Theres loads of jobs out there if you want to work for E10 or less per hour.

Nijmegen

dave45dave wrote: »

Theres loads of jobs out there if you want to work for E10 or less per hour.

Okay, I'm sick of hearing this.

Like where? Which company's are creating them? Can we see vacancies on their websites? Or even ads on gumtree?

This idea that we've got 450,000 people unemployed but are flush with jobs is a bit...

johnnyskeleton

imme wrote: »

You know when people say,
'yeah, but there are no jobs out there'.

This is a refrain that I hear all to often relayed in the media.
I just had a look on http://www.jobs.ie/ are do in fact appear to be jobs out there.:eek:


So, who's telling the truth. Or is there something else at play here. Do people want jobs on their terms.

What's the answer? Are there jobs available to be filled.
Maybe it's the case that there just aren't enough of them.

Just with a quick look, and it might not be representative, but in the Legal Jobs section I saw 2 ads that looked like real jobs and the other 14 were all recruitment companies.

Where the job doesn't specify the employer, it's like that it doesn't exist anymore, if it ever existed.

Recruitment companies put those ads up and when someone applies they say "that's great, we'll get back to you". A few weeks later they call back and say that you didn't get that job, but there is an opening in X job in a completely different area if you'd be interested. Most people out of work will jump at the opportunity to work, but they will end up in some call centre on near minimum wage in a high staff turnover company for which the recruitment agency received a massive commission for filling the role.

So yeah, I'd be sceptical.

EDIT: Or just as gurramok says in the 2nd or 3rd post which I should have read before going off on a rant!

Dob74

imme wrote: »

You know when people say,
'yeah, but there are no jobs out there'.

This is a refrain that I hear all to often relayed in the media.
I just had a look on http://www.jobs.ie/ are do in fact appear to be jobs out there.:eek:


So, who's telling the truth. Or is there something else at play here. Do people want jobs on their terms.

What's the answer? Are there jobs available to be filled.
Maybe it's the case that there just aren't enough of them.

There will always be some jobs out there no matter how bad things get.
But most jobs advertised are just recruiters looking for CV's.

When I was made full time my job was advertied, but it was already taken.
i am sure there are plenty of the same on jobs.ie

thebman

Dob74 wrote: »

There will always be some jobs out there no matter how bad things get.
But most jobs advertised are just recruiters looking for CV's.

When I was made full time my job was advertied, but it was already taken.
i am sure there are plenty of the same on jobs.ie

Same with all those sites.

TBF I have been involved in some of the non-recruitment agencies and just job posting sites and the ones I was involved with almost demanded the jobs be removed if they got evidence that they were false jobs.

But how are you supposed to prove a job doesn't exist when in the case of recruitment agencies they won't post the company as otherwise everyone will apply directly to avoid their fee and they are down the cost of advertising the job and everyone applied directly through the companies site?

The end result is that we need a body that properly investigates these jobs that probably don't exist being advertised by these recruitment agencies.

previous user wrote: »

ahhh the elitist badge of education rears it's ugly elitist head again, bravo.

Not really elitist but a single persons experience with the people they know.

I know people with and without third level education. Those with arts degrees or no degrees are much more likely to be unemployed than those with degrees in Computer Science or Finance.