Koran burning in Florida

krudler

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11209738

so a Florida pastor plans to burn some Korans to send a message to Islam, do you care? just another book? or is it a can of worms just waiting to be smashed open. Its pretty much a given we can expect news reports of hysterical fundmentalists waving ak's in the air, torching American flags and possibly stomping on oranges to protest Florida,all the while trying to convince people they're not a violent religion. Those Islamic types crack me up :pac:

this especially:

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Gen Petraeus said in a statement to US media. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems.

I'm sorry, are the troops not already in danger? are the Taliban going to start using real guns as opposed to the grenade launchers that fire kittens that lick you to death they've been using the whole time?

MagicMarker

Burning koran's? Pfft, I just drew a picture of Mohammed riding a pony.

krudler

MagicMarker wrote: »

Burning koran's? Pfft, I just drew a picture of Mohammed riding a pony.

Infiiiiidelllllllll!!!!!!!! ahalalalalalalalalala *rips clothes while screaming and sobbing hysterically*

Zillah

No one should burn books, it's an appalling act that says something very ugly about a person.

Petraeus is absolutely right. The US is trying to present itself as a liberator and a partner to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine you're a Taliban recruiter, being able to show average Americans burning Korans is absolutely perfect propaganda.

It's disgusting and irresponsible.

krudler

Zillah wrote: »

No one should burn books, it's an appalling act that says something very ugly about a person.
Petraeus is absolutely right. The US is trying to present itself as a liberator and a partner to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine you're a Taliban recruiter, being able to show average Americans burning Korans is absolutely perfect propaganda.

It's disgusting and irresponsible.

What about Jedwards autobiography, history may thank us...

Zillah

Also krudler, your Muslim charicature is childish and pretty terrifyingly small minded. I'm not sure it's even a step up from drawings of covetous Jews or big lipped Africans.

Xon

Zillah wrote: »

No one should burn books, it's an appalling act that says something very ugly about a person.

Petraeus is absolutely right. The US is trying to present itself as a liberator and a partner to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine you're a Taliban recruiter, being able to show average Americans burning Korans is absolutely perfect propaganda.

It's disgusting and irresponsible.

QED I'm afraid Zillah?

krudler

Zillah wrote: »

Also krudler, your Muslim charicature is childish and pretty terrifyingly small minded. I'm not sure it's even a step up from drawings of covetous Jews or big lipped Africans.

That was the point, that stereotype exists for a reason. Think of any Islamic demonstration you've seen on the news, its it usually people quietly protesting or hysterical effigy burning while waving guns in the air? nobody to blame but the radicals for that one. Obviously not every Islamic person is like that,to think that is ludicrous but the actions of those who do present themselves that way doesnt help matters at all with the way Islam is seen by the rest of the world.

robindch

krudler wrote: »

is it a can of worms just waiting to be smashed open?

Yes. Look at the lather that militant preachers managed to whip up over the koran-down-the-bog incident in Guantanamo a few years back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_desecration_controversy_of_2005

A plague upon all these combustible idiots.

krudler

robindch wrote: »

Yes. Look at the lather that militant preachers managed to whip up over the koran-down-the-bog incident in Guantanamo a few years back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_desecration_controversy_of_2005

A plague upon all these combustible idiots.

There ya go, a book get chucked in a toilet and 17 people die as a result, religious lunacy at its best.

Zombrex

If he wants to be eye for eye he should burn something to do with Al Queda, or the Taliban, or heck Saudi Arabia.

Even the most violent protests against the West in the Middle East I haven't heard of people burning Bibles.

robindch

Wicknight wrote: »

Even the most violent protests against the West in the Middle East I haven't heard of people burning Bibles.

It's possible that it's just not reported. Though I would say that the traditional islamic respect, in principle anyway, for the bible and the islamic view that Jesus was a prophet, might have something to do with it too.

dvpower

krudler wrote: »

That was the point, that stereotype exists for a reason. Think of any Islamic demonstration you've seen on the news, its it usually people quietly protesting or hysterical effigy burning while waving guns in the air? nobody to blame but the radicals for that one. Obviously not every Islamic person is like that,to think that is ludicrous but the actions of those who do present themselves that way doesnt help matters at all with the way Islam is seen by the rest of the world.

And on the news in Islamic countries will be pictures of an American pastor openly burning the Koran in Florida, cementing the sterotype that that's what American Christians are like.

Stupid idea all round.

hiorta

Just another Yankee Christian seeking attention.

krudler

Islam considers the bible holy as well afaik

crazyderk

I blame the media for a lot of the **** that goes on, (I believe the media to be a bunch of **** stirrers!)

for example
Do you ever wonder what the boys over in iraq/afghanistan that are shouting are really saying? were led to believe its them sayin "oh War on America/UK"
I don't think so, I think what were watchin is probably the Iraq version of Jerry Springer!
Jerry Jerry Jerry
and thus the people of around the world go WTF????
These people are crazy

and vice versa I'm pretty sure over in Iraq all you see on TV is Jerry Springer/Jeremy Kyle, and the Iraqies go God damn these peopel are stupid I think we should kill them all and I mean after watchin those shows I'd be joinin the cause too!

dvpower

crazyderk wrote: »

I
and vice versa I'm pretty sure over in Iraq all you see on TV is Jerry Springer/Jeremy Kyle, and the Iraqies go God damn these peopel are stupid I think we should kill them all and I mean after watchin those shows I'd be joinin the cause too!

No way. Iraqi TV would never sink that low.:pac:

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/840146-iraqi-tv-show-pushes-taste-boundaries-by-planting-fake-carbombs

panda100

krudler wrote: »

Islam considers the bible holy as well afaik

Indeed,so they would have to burn the bible as well as The Koran surely?

Xon

panda100 wrote: »

Indeed,so they would have to burn the bible as well as The Koran surely?

who cares?

anyone who goes nuts over a book burning, any book, needs to get a life

dvpower

Xon wrote: »

who cares?

anyone who goes nuts over a book burning, any book, needs to get a life

Ditto for anyone who would choose to burn a book?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it's some mulched up trees with ink painted onto it, ye gods. what sort of materialists are you.

pawrick

panda100 wrote: »

Indeed,so they would have to burn the bible as well as The Koran surely?

i could be way out on this but I think they both share certain parts from the old testament and so both religions are meant to respect each others one

Xon

dvpower wrote: »

Ditto for anyone who would choose to burn a book?

agreed 100%

a pointless action to ellicit a response or attention

and if no notice of this type of crap was taken it wouldn't happen in the first place

sticks and stones and all that too..

krudler

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

it's some mulched up trees with ink painted onto it, ye gods. what sort of materialists are you.

Indeed, book burning doesnt have as many historical consequences these days, now we have wikipedia :pac:

Xon

krudler wrote: »

Indeed, book burning doesnt have as many historical consequences these days, now we have wikipedia :pac:

true - burning servers is where its at these days for any word-of-god burner worth his salt

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

krudler wrote: »

Indeed, book burning doesnt have as many historical consequences these days, now we have wikipedia :pac:

yeah, back in the day when books were rare it would have been awful because you were physically destroying something that was difficult to copy and potentially could be lost forever. These days, you could firebomb public libraries all over the world and the amount of knowledge that would actually be lost would be minimal. Trinity library now, or any of the famous libraries in the bookshelf porn thread on the literature forum.. that'd be a different story, not much diffrent from the taliban blowing up the statues of buddha or burning the mona lisa because there's the possibility of destroying something unique.

although I suppose even with the mona lisa, you can get replicas printed off easily these days.

Galvasean

Sometimes I swear I think people are deliberatley trying to bring about the end of the world.

Xon

Galvasean wrote: »

Sometimes I swear I think people are deliberatley trying to bring about the end of the world.

no **** sherlock

if i was a miserable brain washed lunatic with nothing going for me in this world and had 5 new brides waiting for in a wonderful after-life i would be looking to exit stage left in a cloud of smoke too..

krudler

Galvasean wrote: »

Sometimes I swear I think people are deliberatley trying to bring about the end of the world.

Of course, its to get to god faster and prove who was right and who picked the right religion, to quote Homer Simpson "what if we picked the wrong religion? every week we're just making god madder and madder!"

krudler

Xon wrote: »

no **** sherlock

if i was a miserable brain washed lunatic with nothing going for me in this world and had 5 new brides waiting for in a wonderful after-life i would be looking to exit stage left in a cloud of smoke too..

72 virgins, although i dont think it specifically states female virgins :pac:

sonicthebadger*

krudler wrote: »

72 virgins, although i dont think it specifically states female virgins :pac:

Or human. :pac:

Xon

krudler wrote: »

72 virgins, although i dont think it specifically states female virgins :pac:

is it 72? all starting to make sense now..

ah, it would be a nasty stunt if it turned out to be 72 blokes

dvpower

krudler wrote: »

72 virgins, although i dont think it specifically states female virgins :pac:

Of if they are going to remain virgins after your arrival.
I'd need to read the T&Cs

Xon

dvpower wrote: »

Of if they are going to remain virgins after your arrival.
I'd need to read the T&Cs

ye it's a mine field, even the simple act of devotion requires some due dillignece these days

MrPudding

I just hate people burning books.

MrP

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

I think people are deliberatley trying to bring about the end of the world.

Not as funny as you might think. A lot of US christian fundies sincerely believe that now is the "End Times" which will see most of humanity destroyed (bad) and herald the return of Jesus Christ (good).

Two guys named Ronald Reagan and George W Bush (the younger) both appear to have believed this.

krudler

robindch wrote: »

Not as funny as you might think. A lot of US christian fundies sincerely believe that now is the "End Times" which will see most of humanity destroyed (bad) and herald the return of Jesus Christ (good).

Two guys named Ronald Reagan and George W Bush (the younger) both appear to have believed this.

You've got to love the irony that it will probably be a man made weapon that will bring about armageddon, but the religous will see this as a prophecy come true. "And yay the lord did douth drop a 100 megaton bomb on some liberal state as a punishment for people being ghey" as foretold on some ancient parchment, religion is handy that way, any old prophetic phrase can be manipulated into a political end.

Rev Hellfire

MrPudding wrote: »

I just hate people burning books.

MrP

Why, they're only as valuable as the text they contain.
Which in this case is no value, or if you included the effect it has had for humanity is negative.

Shenshen

Xon wrote: »

who cares?

anyone who goes nuts over a book burning, any book, needs to get a life

Speaking as a librarian, I cannot agree with this sentiment.

Shenshen

robindch wrote: »

Not as funny as you might think. A lot of US christian fundies sincerely believe that now is the "End Times" which will see most of humanity destroyed (bad) and herald the return of Jesus Christ (good).

Two guys named Ronald Reagan and George W Bush (the younger) both appear to have believed this.

*sigh* It does explain a thing or two about their politics all right...

Xon

Shenshen wrote: »

Speaking as a librarian, I cannot agree with this sentiment.

correction - i retract my statement; you are perfectly entitled to go nuts if somone burns your books or any books that do not belong to the burner of books...

krudler

About the burning of books themselves, I get why people find it such an offensive act, books were for a long time our only source of keeping records, but they're purpose is running out with digital media, now I love my books as much as the next person, but I wouldnt shed a tear if I found out someone burnt one. Something like an ancient manuscript or something than can never be replicated sure, or a first print copy of Harry Potter or something :pac:, but some mass produced, cheap , easily available novel? like was already said, its mulchy trees with ink on it. Its more symbolism than anything.

He's burning A Koran, not THE Koran remember.

Dades

That Pastor in Florida is basically a Real Life™ troll.

jill_valentine

krudler wrote: »

Its more symbolism than anything.

That's the point though, right? Symbolic though it is, it represents a very real contempt.

Douche move, basically.

mikhail

Dades wrote: »

That Pastor in Florida is basically a Real Life™ troll.

I prefer the term meatspace myself.

Goduznt Xzst

Zillah wrote: »

Also krudler, your Muslim charicature is childish and pretty terrifyingly small minded. I'm not sure it's even a step up from drawings of covetous Jews or big lipped Africans.

Whoops!... you probably wouldn't like my tshirt then

krudler wrote: »

72 virgins, although i dont think it specifically states female virgins :pac:

I'm pretty sure the Muslim heaven is basically just a Warhammer 40k convention ... "Oh no he didn't!"

The Mad Hatter

Xon wrote: »

who cares?

anyone who goes nuts over a book burning, any book, needs to get a life

Yeah, they're only the cornerstone of our civilization.

Permabear

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strobe

krudler wrote: »

About the burning of books themselves, I get why people find it such an offensive act, books were for a long time our only source of keeping records, but they're purpose is running out with digital media, now I love my books as much as the next person, but I wouldnt shed a tear if I found out someone burnt one. Something like an ancient manuscript or something than can never be replicated sure, or a first print copy of Harry Potter or something :pac:, but some mass produced, cheap , easily available novel? like was already said, its mulchy trees with ink on it. Its more symbolism than anything.
He's burning A Koran, not THE Koran remember.

That's true, it is symbolism. But historically the context of burning books was to prevent people from hearing ideas you thought they shouldn't. The symbolism is that of the restriction of freedom of speech. I happen to believe people have the right to present whatever ideas or beliefs they want to. Burning books in the age of digital media might only be a symbolic gesture. But it is a symbol of silencing ideas you oppose.

Although in this specific case I'd have to agree with whoever said the guy is basically just trolling and probably hoping to get his name in the paper.

Nemi

Xon wrote: »

is it 72? all starting to make sense now..

ah, it would be a nasty stunt if it turned out to be 72 blokes

Feck. Nuns. Reverse! Reverse!

Mrmoe

Why do such a small group of nutjobs get exposure like this? This is the most important and dangerous aspect. Next they will be giving prime time coverage to the guy standing on the corner shouting that the end is nigh.