beating his dog

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get this. my freind was at a well known supermarket today in the car park when he heard a dog yelping he looked into a van and there were two guys one was puching his dog in the ribs. [ a lab]. my freind shouted over to them and ran over to tell them to stop. the guy went to punch my mate but missed and got knocked out soon after by my mate, the guards were called and it was my mate who got into trouble. NOT THE PEOPLE BEATING THE DOG..:mad:

drunkmonkey

Sounds like your make assaulted somebody if he didn't get hit. Dog getting a dig kind of goes out the window when you assault a stranger.

deereidy

cheers to your friend, most people would have just ignored it. what happened to the dog do you know?

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it was self defence. and he was protecting the dog

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deereidy wrote: »

cheers to your friend, most people would have just ignored it. what happened to the dog do you know?

the usual he ended going back home with the 2 retards

deereidy

pokertalk wrote: »

the usual he ended going back home with the 2 retards

yeah, well if you got the reg you could tip off the guards or something maybe if you wanted to, if they have other pets they could be treating them badly too

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sure the guards came when the muppits were still there but they did nothing because the other guy had the damage to his face. nothing about the dog i mean or the fact that the bloke went for my mate first

Eibhin

Well done to your friend....I would have done the same even though I'm a girl, but it's the one thing that makes me see red...red..red.

I hope he's not in too much trouble. Hope you got the reg.

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Eibhin wrote: »

Well done to your friend....I would have done the same even though I'm a girl, but it's the one thing that makes me see red...red..red.

I hope he's not in too much trouble. Hope you got the reg.

the 2 lads were still there when the guards arrived so id say they got the reg.dont know what trouble he is in .dont think they charged him

wetdogsmell

hopefully your mate will learn not to be punching people

Eibhin

Yeah and hopefully the dog will learn not to behave so badly as to make his owner punch him......

Are you joking wetdogsmell......anyone who does that to a dog deserves to be punched at the very least.

MsFifers

Your friend should go back and make an official report to the guards. In a heated exchange like that you can't blame the guards for making a mistake. He should follow up officially.

Noopti

Bravo to your friend. Hopefully there are witnesses on hand to prove his side of the story correct.

wetdogsmell

Eibhin wrote: »

Yeah and hopefully the dog will learn not to behave so badly as to make his owner punch him......

Are you joking wetdogsmell......anyone who does that to a dog deserves to be punched at the very least.

unfortunatly for your friend assault on a human is taken alot more seriously than assault on an animal, and by assaulting the person instead of reporting it he has lost all chance of any action being taken by the gaurds, as he would no longer be seen as a relyable witness

seamus

wetdogsmell wrote: »

unfortunatly for your friend assault on a human is taken alot more seriously than assault on an animal, and by assaulting the person instead of reporting it he has lost all chance of any action being taken by the gaurds, as he would no longer be seen as a relyable witness

Actually the material difference here is that the OP's friend was attacked before he punched the other guy. It doesn't matter that the other guy missed. Of course, its his word against two others and we don't know what level of defence he used.

Regardless of what happens to the OP's mate, he's still free to report the two guys for animal cruelty.

Noopti

wetdogsmell wrote: »

unfortunatly for your friend assault on a human is taken alot more seriously than assault on an animal, and by assaulting the person instead of reporting it he has lost all chance of any action being taken by the gaurds, as he would no longer be seen as a relyable witness

Read the orginal post. He was defending himself.

Zulu

If the security camera confirms your mates story, he could push for an assault charge against your man taking a swing at him.


...if the security camera confirms your mates story

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wetdogsmell wrote: »

unfortunatly for your friend assault on a human is taken alot more seriously than assault on an animal, and by assaulting the person instead of reporting it he has lost all chance of any action being taken by the gaurds, as he would no longer be seen as a relyable witness

SELF DEFENCE he did not swing the first punch the other guy did and missed . but the fact that the guards done nothing to investigate the dog beating is what pisses me off the most

Wisco

The guards won't investigate a cruelty case unless you actually go and make a statement. Phoning them or telling them 'I saw a man beating his dog' is useless unless you actually make a formal statement, as far as I know (and I'm obviously no legal expert!). Might be worth looking into doing so, as the gardai obviously have a record of the names of the other guys involved.

Son Of A Vidic

Your friend went over to stop individuals who were in the process of committing an act of animal cruelty. Whilst doing so, he was attacked, he then logically and instinctively defended himself against a further onslaught - self defence.

Make sure your mate follows up the complaint of animal cruelty. I think he himself will have nothing to worry about. All I'll say is, that's a good friend you got there.

Discodog

He needs to be insistent on the Guards prosecuting for animal cruelty. He should advise the Guards that he may make an official complaint over their reluctance to act.

I dread seeing something like that as I have no idea if I could control my emotions.

Discodog

wetdogsmell wrote: »

unfortunatly for your friend assault on a human is taken alot more seriously than assault on an animal, and by assaulting the person instead of reporting it he has lost all chance of any action being taken by the gaurds, as he would no longer be seen as a relyable witness

Yes he should of ignored it, reported it to the Guards & nothing would of happened. I hope that other people don't adopt that attitude if you are being attacked in the street. This guy tried to help. He tried to prevent a crime, risked personal injury, as well as protecting the dog & all you can do is criticise him ?.

sligopark

seamus wrote: »

Actually the material difference here is that the OP's friend was attacked before he punched the other guy.

sorry to be pedantic but the friend wasn't struck and went on to assault a stranger who he alleges was striking a dog.

Yes sounds good in theory and it is probably the fact that he went over, was told to f_ck off, few choice words, los of temper, personal space encroachment and scuffle ensued.

Either there is CCTV to back up his claim of 'first punch thrown by other party' or he risks an assault prosecution and if these guys in a van were caravan dwellers, a personal claim for damages to follow.

Best advice - phone the guards and ISPCA.

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Discodog wrote: »

Yes he should of ignored it, reported it to the Guards & nothing would of happened. I hope that other people don't adopt that attitude if you are being attacked in the street. This guy tried to help. He tried to prevent a crime, risked personal injury, as well as protecting the dog & all you can do is criticise him ?.

totally agree disco
there should be more people like him that step in for an animal in trouble. he said today the other guy was holding the dog by the ears and screeming into his face. the hole thing was about5 seconds long the guy went to hit him and missed ending up hitting him in the arm and my mate ounched him twice and it was over
i will say it to him tomorrow to follow up on it not the assault on him but the one on the dog .he said it was a pretty old lab too.

arybvtcw0eolkf

pokertalk wrote: »

the guy went to punch my mate but missed and got knocked out soon after by my mate

pokertalk wrote: »

the 2 lads were still there when the guards arrived so id say they got the reg.

Sounds like the lad wasn't too knocked out (if ya know what I mean), your mate is probably a spoofer.

And either way, hitting someone, regardless of the situation is rarely seen to be a good thing by the guards.

Graces7

Discodog wrote: »

He needs to be insistent on the Guards prosecuting for animal cruelty. He should advise the Guards that he may make an official complaint over their reluctance to act.

I dread seeing something like that as I have no idea if I could control my emotions.

Exactly so here; the only way we cope is to take numbers etc of the car, drive past and report it. Red rage time else.

NB the guards often simply tell us to call the SPCA etc.

Discodog

Graces7 wrote: »

Exactly so here; the only way we cope is to take numbers etc of the car, drive past and report it. Red rage time else.

NB the guards often simply tell us to call the SPCA etc.

If you report a crime, any crime, log all the details such as the date, time & name of the Guard. Be polite but make it clear that you expect them to act & that you will refer the matter higher if they do not do so. Advise them that you will be contacting them on a regular basis for updates. You shouldn't have to do this but in reality you do.

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Anakin Stocky Museum wrote: »

Sounds like the lad wasn't too knocked out (if ya know what I mean), your mate is probably a spoofer.

And either way, hitting someone, regardless of the situation is rarely seen to be a good thing by the guards.

makikomi you dont have to be in a coma to be knocked
out he was on the ground for 10 seconds .my point is the guards should automatically call the spca for them to make a note of it for an investigation and then the guards deal with the human assault no matter who caused it.then the spca can carry out there end of it.

Discodog

pokertalk wrote: »

makikomi you dont have to be in a coma to be knocked
out he was on the ground for 10 seconds .my point is the guards should automatically call the spca for them to make a note of it for an investigation and then the guards deal with the human assault no matter who caused it.then the spca can carry out there end of it.

The SPCA have no need to be involved - all they would do is call the Guards

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Discodog wrote: »

The SPCA have no need to be involved - all they would do is call the Guards

it all sounds pretty pointless disco the guards do nothing at the time he rings the spca and they ring the guards and then they do nothing again and even if they did the guy punching the dog would probably get nothing for it. maybe if these things were looked upon more promptly and treated more severly less people would think twice about. its a pretty lazy system

Discodog

pokertalk wrote: »

it all sounds pretty pointless disco the guards do nothing at the time he rings the spca and they ring the guards and then they do nothing again and even if they did the guy punching the dog would probably get nothing for it. maybe if these things were looked upon more promptly and treated more severly less people would think twice about. its a pretty lazy system

It is appalling but the voters of Ireland won't vote for anything better or support a proper nationwide ISPCA.

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Discodog wrote: »

It is appalling but the voters of Ireland won't vote for anything better or support a proper nationwide ISPCA.

well in the meantime people like my mate will have to be the voice for mistreated pets . if the system is so bad then alot more people should intervene when they see this type of thing itdoes not have to come to blows but if it did i would have no problem defending me and the dog

Fair play to your mate, if I saw that carry on I'd be attempting to knock them out myself :mad:

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it may end up with me on the ground but i would still give it a go;)

Burkatron

pokertalk wrote: »

well in the meantime people like my mate will have to be the voice for mistreated pets . if the system is so bad then alot more people should intervene when they see this type of thing itdoes not have to come to blows but if it did i would have no problem defending me and the dog

Thats all well & good in theory but then you get the vigilante who takes it too far in the heat of the moment & gets himself in serious trouble like your mate could be. Or you get the scummer who kicks the living piss out of the person intervening. As said before no matter what you want to do at the time the best course is to step back take the license plate & forward it onto the cards. Better yet would be whipping your phone out & getting a quick video/photo of the scum doing it then shouting at them till they start at you or piss off! The end of the day the dog is still with them, your mate stopped it that occassion, but he's not going to be there the next time!

Kevo

Well done to your friend. It's a pity that the law sees him as being in the wrong.

Graces7

pokertalk wrote: »

well in the meantime people like my mate will have to be the voice for mistreated pets . if the system is so bad then alot more people should intervene when they see this type of thing itdoes not have to come to blows but if it did i would have no problem defending me and the dog

You are not alone; we have recently moved house because of the repercussions of fighting for help for abused animals. Threats of abuse and illegal eviction followed.

A campaign of harassment and intimidation.

We had to leave in the dark to prevent aggression.

The system stinks, frankly.

oppenheimer1

Eibhin wrote: »

Yeah and hopefully the dog will learn not to behave so badly as to make his owner punch him......

Are you joking wetdogsmell......anyone who does that to a dog deserves to be punched at the very least.

No they don't. While I don't condone cruelty, its just a dog. Perspective people.

Burkatron

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

No they don't. While I don't condone cruelty, its just a dog. Perspective people.

Troll

sligopark

Graces7 wrote: »

You are not alone; we have recently moved house because of the repercussions of fighting for help for abused animals. Threats of abuse and illegal eviction followed.

A campaign of harassment and intimidation.

We had to leave in the dark to prevent aggression.

The system stinks, frankly.

whilst the greens are off annoying country folk about hunting and adding their ecothesist carbon taxes to our enrgy costs they ignore the real issues for animals on the ground - where is that c_nt gormley and the yellow warriors on this issue?

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oppenheimer1 wrote: »

No they don't. While I don't condone cruelty, its just a dog. Perspective people.

y do people just post stupit comments like this just to get a reaction

wetdogsmell

why is anyone with a different point of veiw on here called a troll, seems childish

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wetdogsmell wrote: »

why is anyone with a different point of veiw on here called a troll, seems childish

people feel strongly about there pets and when someone says thats it just a dog it gets up there nose everyone is entitled to there opinion but if your willing to voice it then you will have to defend it and deal with what prople think of that opinion

Burkatron

wetdogsmell wrote: »

why is anyone with a different point of veiw on here called a troll, seems childish

Did I call you a troll Karl ya big giant egg? :P

The other guy is coming onto a pet & animal forum & stating "it's just a dog"
That's an inflammatory statement thats gonna cause an arguement when it's not really necessary. I never said he was wrong but it's not the place to be saying it!

Edit: I never said he was right either!

wetdogsmell

pokertalk wrote: »

people feel strongly about there pets and when someone says thats it just a dog it gets up there nose everyone is entitled to there opinion but if your willing to voice it then you will have to defend it and deal with what prople think of that opinion

all though i did'nt say it, i agree with it a little bit, i think a dog is less important than a person

Burkatron wrote: »

Did I call you a troll Karl ya big giant egg? :P

although i may be a big giant egg i'm not a troll, (thats the lord of the rings your thinking of)

The other guy is coming onto a pet & animal forum & stating "it's just a dog"
That's an inflammatory statement thats gonna cause an arguement when it's not really necessary. I never said he was wrong but it's not the place to be saying it!

i would have thought an animal and pet fourm was the perfect place to talk about it

Edit: I never said he was right either!

Burkatron

wetdogsmell wrote: »

all though i did'nt say it, i agree with it a little bit, i think a dog is less important than a person

But would it sit right with you if you saw some one punching the **** out of a dog? I somehow doubt it would?

pokertalk

i understand that the human issue comes first but the guards should of dealt with the dog s situation afterr it especially when my mate explained the hole story to them. if i seen a human being treated like that i would also step in the issue is not who is more important dogs or humans its the fact that it was not dealt with nor were the guards interested in dealing with the dog situation

Discodog

sligopark wrote: »

whilst the greens are off annoying country folk about hunting and adding their ecothesist carbon taxes to our enrgy costs they ignore the real issues for animals on the ground - where is that c_nt gormley and the yellow warriors on this issue?

As someone who cares about animal welfare I have to say that the Greens are a disaster. However they are the only party who instigate any welfare legislation. The other parties have no interest whatsoever.

We should be getting a new Animal Welfare Bill to bring us in line with other countries. However it is now unlikely to happen as the Greens are likely to disappear.

I do blame the Guards. A lot of people say that there is insufficient law & that the law is very out of date. But the law does lay out definitions of cruelty. The Guards will say that there is a lack of evidence but they make no effort to collect the evidence that is there.

But the real problem will remain the people of Ireland. If this incident had happened in the UK the guy would of been lucky to get out alive. Attitudes are changing but only at a Snail's pace.

homerhop

I am sure the guy had a phone with a camera on it. All the evidence the guards would have needed. but then wouldn't the world be such an interesting place if we could all go around punching people who offended us.

oppenheimer1

Burkatron wrote: »

Troll

I am no troll. I just find it hard to believe that you could condone violence against people while at the same time being aghast if it occurs against animals. Talk about a double standard. What happened to the OPs friend was proper order, you cannot go around punching people when you see something objectionable acting like a vigilante. The proper course of action would have been to alert the authorities had he witnessed suspected animal cruelty.

But no the OP was right and the people attacked were wrong seems to be the unenlightened chorus to be heard here. Unprovoked punching a person, or hitting a dog, you have to ask yourself which is the greater evil. It seems that people here believe the latter to be worse, which is crazy.

Burkatron

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I am no troll. I just find it hard to believe that you could condone violence against people while at the same time being aghast if it occurs against animals. Talk about a double standard. What happened to the OPs friend was proper order, you cannot go around punching people when you see something objectionable acting like a vigilante. The proper course of action would have been to alert the authorities had he witnessed suspected animal cruelty.

But no the OP was right and the people attacked were wrong seems to be the unenlightened chorus to be heard here. Unprovoked punching a person, or hitting a dog, you have to ask yourself which is the greater evil. It seems that people here believe the latter to be worse, which is crazy.

I see you chose to ignore this:

Burkatron wrote: »

Did I call you a troll Karl ya big giant egg? :P

The other guy is coming onto a pet & animal forum & stating "it's just a dog"
That's an inflammatory statement thats gonna cause an arguement when it's not really necessary. I never said he was wrong but it's not the place to be saying it!

Edit: I never said he was right either!

The bold part is the epithamy of trolling. Do you go onto all forums & say things that are obviously going to be against users beliefs & piss them off?

But no the OP was right and the people attacked were wrong seems to be the unenlightened chorus to be heard here. Unprovoked punching a person, or hitting a dog, you have to ask yourself which is the greater evil.

So you're saying they were right? The OP's mate wasn't necessarily right. Was it unprovoked? Where you there? The OP's mate stated he was swung at 1st, does he not have the right to defend himself if this is true!? He had every right to tell them to stop hitting the dog. I do ask myself which is the greater evil! A SCUMBAG who hits a defenseless animal, or a person who hits the SCUMBAG who hits the defenseless animal? I know the 1st 1 is seen in the eyes of the law as worse but the law isn't always right!