A Tale of Two Halfs :)

yungwan

So I have been threatening to start my own training log for some time, and feel that now is a good time to start!

For those of you who are interested(!) and arent regulars in the "Half Marathon Support Thread", here is a synopsis of my short "running" (I say running lightly, as I am still very slow!) history to date:

I suppose it all started when I gave up smoking in February. I was anxious I would put on weight, and needed something to get my mind of the smokes in the evenings. I decided to set a target for myself and started running in March 2010 in preparation for the Dublin Womens Mini Marathon in June 2010 and havent stopped since! ( I think my OH is as surprised as I am that I have lasted this long! Although never overweight, I have never been particularly athletic, and never thought Id be able to run a mile, let alone anything further!)

I completed the 10km Mini Marathon butmy time was pretty lousy - 1hr 20 mins. But I was happy to have completed my first event running.

I needed a new goal, so I signed myself up (rather dubiously) to a half marathon on 29th August and began my training following the Hal Higdon Half Marathon Novice Plan. My progress was not without its ups and downs, I started the 12 week plan late, I caught a chest infection (2 weeks out), and my son was sick (another week out) but I finished my first half in Galway 2 weeks ago.

However, I was no where near happy with my time and really struggled during the 11th and 12th miles. I finally finished in a very poor 2 hours and 47 minutes, and quickly went from being elated at finishing my first half, to being very disappointed at my time.

So here I am, back to punish myself a little further!!

I have decided to register for the Waterford Half Marathon in December, which leaves me approx 12 weeks to train, with an overall aim of finishing in a target time of approx 2 hours 10. This will be a tough task for me, and I am aware that knocking 37 minutes off my previous time will be tough, but I want to end the year feeling proud of myself!!

I am going to be following the Hal Higeon Intermediate Plan and will hopefully fit in a couple of 10k runs between now and then.

I would appreciate a little advice on the pace training though. It says 5 x 400 at 5-K pace, but this isnt really viable given that I dont train on track. Does anyone have any alternative pace/speed training for me, keeping in mind that I have never done speed training before?

I am hoping that this log will keep me focused, and create the right amount of guilt to get me off my ass once the crap Autumn weather really sets in! Any advice would be greatly appreciated along the way!

So here goes......... My journey to my 2nd Half begin! :eek:

Apologies for the long post!!

Hal Higdon Intermediate Half Marathon Training Program

Week 1

Monday: Stretch & Strenghten
Tuesday: 2: 3m run
Wednesday: 5 x 400 (5K pace)
Thursday: 3m run + strength
Friday: Rest
Saturday: 3m run
Sun: 5m run

rainbow kirby

Welcome to the logs!

As a substitute for doing the 400s on a track, you could make the classic culchie substitution of doing laps of a GAA pitch if there's one close to home.

yungwan

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Welcome to the logs!

As a substitute for doing the 400s on a track, you could make the classic culchie substitution of doing laps of a GAA pitch if there's one close to home.

Thanks Rainbow kirby!

How many metres is the parameter of a GAA pitch do ya know?!

I am afraid I am setting myself up for a fall before I even start!!

Ok so I did some stretches last night and unfortunately i think I will have to take another week off before I start as my knee is still not 100% and if I want to increase pace I think it would be wise to wait until its back to normal.

I got annoyed at myself last night as I wanted to start this week, but i know I have to be sensible to avoid further injury. Also it means I might avoid this bloody rain!

So watch this space for next week!

rainbow kirby

yungwan wrote: »

How many metres is the parameter of a GAA pitch do ya know?!

130-145m long, 80-90m wide - parameter would be 420-470m depending on whether the pitch is towards the lower or upper end of the allowable size. Close enough for the purpose of doing intervals anyway.

Don't forget too that the other runs should be easy runs, it's just the speedwork day where you're pushing the pace a bit.

yungwan

Here goes!

My knee is feeling much better and I am (I think!) ready to start my journey to my 2nd half!

W1D1: Stretch and Strength

I am going to do some running specific strengthening exercises tonight myself at home. (2 x reps - approx 30 minutes)

Then tommorrow evening will be 3 miles. Aiming for 30 minutes.

yungwan

W1 D2: 3 miles

3 miles done - delighted with my time:

28.47.

It wasnt 100% comfortable, more race pace but I want to push myself a little for better times.

Anyway, speed work tommorrow.

littlebug

Nice time there yungwan!

Athenry 10k on 26th december might be a nice secondary target for you. you'd smash that 10k pb!

shazkea

Great to see you starting a log and good luck with your training for Waterford. Hope to see you there

yungwan

littlebug wrote: »

Nice time there yungwan!

Athenry 10k on 26th december might be a nice secondary target for you. you'd smash that 10k pb!

Thanks Littlebug! Nothing like a poor personal performance in a race to get you motivated to go faster!

Yeah I would love to get a sub 60 for my 10k before the end of the year.
But Stephens Day?? I dunno if Ill manage that! All the 10ks are drying up at this stage though arent they? Ill see if I can find anything in November or end of Oct, that might suit better.

shazkea wrote: »

Great to see you starting a log and good luck with your training for Waterford. Hope to see you there

Thanks shazkea... Ive just entered online!! :eek:
Hopefully I get there!!

yungwan

W1D3

Aim: Speed Training
5 x 3 minutes @ tempo pace with 60 second recovery between each rep.

Actual:

10 minute easy jog followed by 2 x 3 minutes.

A bloody disaster, and man is speed training tough

Basically heavy thundery showers started and my OH decided to come rescue me.. which was really nice to fair, but I am now very disappointed that I didnt complete it.

Did about 3 miles in total including the warmup.

Just going to forget about it for this week.

I am following Hal loosely as I dont want to fall into the trap of feeling too rigid (i.e. I HAVE to train today) like I did with my previous training.

Rest day tomorrow and 3 miles on Friday.

If anyone can suggest an alternative speed training structure Id appreciate the input. I dont have a garmin and I dont live near a track or GAA pitch so they are kind of out. I am following some plan I found (as seen above)

shazkea

yungwan wrote: »

Thanks shazkea... Ive just entered online!! :eek:
Hopefully I get there!!

Excellent that's great. I'm not as brave yet - waiting to get go ahead to get back running 3 days a week and then I will!! How's your knee?

Emer911

yungwan wrote: »

If anyone can suggest an alternative speed training structure Id appreciate the input. I dont have a garmin and I dont live near a track or GAA pitch so they are kind of out. I am following some plan I found (as seen above)

If you have a nice flat park (grass is better if you can) or failing that, a cycle track, then all you need is a rough estimate of 400 mt.
How long does it generally take you to run a mile? Then 400mt is a quarter of that. Mark it out. Then try to run that stretch at a faster pace for your intervals.

I use the local park. There's a stretch past the 4 pitches that is roughly 400 mt. Run up, then jog for a bit, turn and run back. 2 intervals done... easy :rolleyes:(not!)

Another way to get the fast runs in is to use the fartlek method instead of/ as well as measured intervals.

Either way, enjoy! And welcome to the training logs.

yungwan

W1 D4 - Rest Day

W1 D5 - Aim: 3 miles

Result - 3 miles in 26.41 :eek:

Average pace 8.8 mpm!!


Delighted!

Also, I decided I am going to invest in a Garmin 305 once and for all.
It will be an investment I reckon, Im managing without it, but it would be nice to know my pace pm, be more accurate for distance and will be handy for my speed work.

I will order it next week when I get paid. Best price Ive seen is €165 on pixmania.ie which I figure is good enough value!

Cant wait!

LSR of 5 miles tomorrow or Sunday.

yungwan

W1 D6 - Rest

W1 D7 Aim: 5 miles LSR

Result: 5 miles in 61 mins.

Very slow (average 12.2mm) but its still alot faster than any other 5 miler Ive done.

I really enjoyed this run, as it was a lovely cool evening, but it got dark quickly and I started off too slowly. I want to decrease my time on this so I will have to push myself a little more.

Anyways, not bad after a feed of beer last night!

Week one done!

Week 1 miles: 14
Total miles: 14

yungwan

Week 2 Plan

D1: Stretch & Strengthen
D2: 3 mile run
D3: 30 min tempo
D4: Rest
D5: 3 mile run & strength
D6: Rest
D7: 6 mile run

Garmin 305 ORDERED!!
Super excited but also feel a little guilty as it was quite a spend to be fair. (€177 altogether incl. VAT and delivery Pixmania.ie)
Hopefully its worth it though
Should have it in time for my wednesday temp run!!

yungwan

W2 D1 - Stretch & Strengthen (done this yesterday @ work as I felt sh1te Monday)

W2 D2 Aim: 3 miles easy

Result: 3 miles - 28.56.

Average pace: 9.5mm

Felt fairly comfortable and it was a beautiful evening in MidWest. Sunny, dry and fairly warm. Didnt want to push myself too much as I have a 30 min tempo run this evening. How fast is tempo? Race pace?

According to my order track my Garmin arrived in Dublin this morning at 7am Hurry up and get here!!

yungwan

Slight changes in my plan this week.

W2D3 - Rest Day

W2D4 - Aim: 30 minute Tempo run

Result: 30 minutes tempo run

I broke it down as follows:

10 minute warm up (at approx 12 min/mile)

15 minutes temp @ 10km pace (My pace varied on this with my best pace being 8.30 m/mile and highest HR being 94%. However I think the average was only 12 m/mile as the hills really slowed me down)

5 minutes cool down (average 11.2 m/mile)

Total distance covered 3.2 miles.

Obviously my Garmin arrived!! I love it, its a fantastic piece of technology. However it really forces you to be honest!! And I was a little optimistic setting my advanced programme goal paces and it kept beeping at me to "Speed up" and I was like WTF this is the fastest I can go!!

Anyway it wasnt my best workout, I just couldnt speed up, but I am looking forward to seeing how I get on this evening on a run of 3 miles.

yungwan

yungwan wrote: »

W1 D4 - Rest Day

W1 D5 - Aim: 3 miles

Result - 3 miles in ???


Also, I decided I am going to invest in a Garmin 305 once and for all.
It will be an investment I reckon, Im managing without it, but it would be nice to know my pace pm, be more accurate for distance and will be handy for my speed work.

I will order it next week when I get paid. Best price Ive seen is €165 on pixmania.ie which I figure is good enough value!


LSR of 5 miles tomorrow or Sunday.

EDIT: Said Garmin made me realise the above route is not actually 3 miles but 2!! :mad: I was wondering how I had got so fast but I didnt question it!! anyway, Im not this fast after all!! So I have delieted my times accordingly. Oh well.
Cant wait!

yungwan

Aim: 3 mile run

Result: 3 mile easy

Time: 34:59

Average pace: 11.41 per mile

Average HR: 89%

Mile 1: 11.07

Mile 2: 11.15

Mile 3: 12.37

Not great. Last week I found it very hard to run for some reason. Tired legs and stiff calves.

W2D6 Rest day

W2D7: Sorry Hal.... I was hungover yesterday so I never did my LSR. Oops.... Was going to try to do it today but the weather is horrendous out there.

So it will have to do..... the night out was worth it anyway!!

Hopefully this week will be better. No plans to go out for a few weeks again so Ill be a good girl!

Week 2 miles: 9
Total miles: 23

yungwan

Monday Stretch& Strengthen
Tuesday 3.5 mile run
Wednesday 6 x 400 5k pace
Thursday 3 mile & Strenght
Friday Rest
Saturday Rest
Sunday 5K Race

Doubt there is any 5K local, so I will just do my 6 miles LSR this Sunday instead if I dont find anything. Hopefully this weather picks up abit this week or Ill be doomed!

Bought new running tights in Heatons for €18 at the weekend. They lovely and comfortable and I am sure they will be lovely to run in.

Happy running!

littlebug

Not sure where you are yungwan except somewhere in the west. There's a 4 mile in Ballina next Sunday http://www.mayoac.com/?p=666 and a 6k in Tarmonberry, Roscommon http://www.athenryac.com/tarmonbarry-half-marathon-6km-fun-run Maybe both too far from you?

yungwan

littlebug wrote: »

Not sure where you are yungwan except somewhere in the west. There's a 4 mile in Ballina next Sunday http://www.mayoac.com/?p=666 and a 6k in Tarmonberry, Roscommon http://www.athenryac.com/tarmonbarry-half-marathon-6km-fun-run Maybe both too far from you?

Wow thanks Littlebug. Tarmonbarry would actually be do-able. Ill see how I get on this week and whether I have any other plans on. Would probably be a small crowd too. I wonder is it registration on the day? You going to do it?

littlebug

yungwan wrote: »

. I wonder is it registration on the day? You going to do it?

No I just happened to spot it on the Athenry website. I have to stick to the plan now. No more races til 25th:eek:! I'm sure if you give them a buzz they'll let you know about registration etc. The smaller races usually have reg on the day. I'd say it'll be a nice small race... with walkers That always helps!

yungwan

Monday: Rest Day

Tuesday: Aim: 3.5 miles easy

Result: 3.5 miles easy @ average 12.37/mile

Mile1: 12.06

Mile 2: 12.09

Mile 3: 13.12

1/2 mile: 6.52

Having problems with stiff calves. Had to stop and stretch them after every mile! Getting disheartened again at my lack of speed. Ill never be an elite runner anyway I was happier when I thought I was faster!!

Speed training Thursday as the OH getting pee'd off with having to man the ship while I run!

ger664

Hi

Doing Hill work will give you the leg strength to allow you to go faster.

Add hills to your slow long runs

I would replace the speed work for the first half of the training plan to uphill sprints.

Get a hill (not too steep) that takes you ~ 1:30 to climb. Go as fast as you can up it with high knees, race pace down, fast up without the high knees and recover slow down. This counts as 2 intervals. Repeat for the same number of 400M in the plan. If you have 6*400M then to 3 Reps, for uneven reps add an extra recovery on the downhill.

This is very tough but well worth the effort.

Just my 2c

yungwan

ger664 wrote: »

Hi

Doing Hill work will give you the leg strength to allow you to go faster.

Add hills to your slow long runs

I would replace the speed work for the first half of the training plan to uphill sprints.

Get a hill (not too steep) that takes you ~ 1:30 to climb. Go as fast as you can up it with high knees, race pace down, fast up without the high knees and recover slow down. This counts as 2 intervals. Repeat for the same number of 400M in the plan. If you have 6*400M then to 3 Reps, for uneven reps add an extra recovery on the downhill.

This is very tough but well worth the effort.

Just my 2c

Thanks very much ger, I appreciate that.

I will do your recommended hill sprints this evening or tomorrow.... whenever I can get out of the house! :rolleyes: I will see how I get on anyway.

yungwan

Aim: 3 reps of hill training, as recommended above.

Result: Hill training - 3 x reps of the following:

• Fast up-hill with high knees
• Race pace down hill
• Fast run up hill
• Recovery run down hill

Also included was 10 minute warm up and cool down.

Total distance covered: 3.15 miles
Fastest mile: 6.59/mile

Very tough, but Im glad I tried it and I think it is the best way to improve my muscles for speed. Going to include it more often.

Followed it up with some stretches and some planks and side planks.

3 Miles tomorrow.

yungwan

Aim: 3 miles

Result: 3 miles - 35.42

Average pace: 11.48/mile

Mile 1: 11.11/mile

Mile 2: 11.44/m

Mile 3: 12.28/m

6 mile LSR on Sunday.

Time for wine

yungwan

Week 3 - Sunday

Aim: 6 miles LSR

Result 6 miles LSR

It has been a while since I ran 6 miles and I was kind of hoping Id do it close to 60 minutes... but of course I didnt. :rolleyes:

Mile 1: 14.15/mile
Mile 2: 14.34/mile
Mile 3: 12.52/mile
Mile 4: 11.56/m
Mile 5: 12.15/m
Mile 6: 11.32/m

Started off a little slow I guess, but I did it none the less. 1:17:24

Week 2 miles: 15.5
Total miles: 38.5

Emer911

yungwan wrote: »

It has been a while since I ran 6 miles and I was kind of hoping Id do it close to 60 minutes... but of course I didnt. :rolleyes:

Don't worry about the speed just yet... it'll come! It took me about 2 years to break the 60min 10K, but I got there eventually.
...hopefully you'll get there quicker

What helped me was diligently following the plan. I was plodding along for ages with no direction, so when I actually got a plan and followed it, the difference was no less than amazing. You already have the plan so you're halfway there!?

Congrats on the LSR.

yungwan

Emer911 wrote: »

Don't worry about the speed just yet... it'll come! It took me about 2 years to break the 60min 10K, but I got there eventually.

Yeah I know it will come eventually, I just get so fed up sometimes as everyone tells me I will get quicker in time but im the exact same time wise as in June!

Yeah Ill just keep plodding along..... I always tend to follow a plan and have something to aim for, or Id never do anything!

Thanks for the encouragement anyway.... some day I might improve from a 12.30/mile average :rolleyes:

yungwan

Monday: Stretch & Strengthen
Tuesday: 3.5 miles run
Wednesday: 35 minutes tempo or hill training, yet to decide.
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 3 mile & Strength
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: 7 miles

We are babysitting a 7 month old this weekend, so hopefully I get out for the 7 miler! I might be too tired, but hopefully not! Himself can get up to her

yungwan

Week 4 Day 1: Monday

Aim: 3.5 miles run

Result: 3.5 miles in 38:58 mins

Average pace per mile: 11.07 p/mile*

Mile 1: 9:51/m
Mile 2: 11.02
Mile 3: 12.00
0.5 miles: 6.04 (12.00/m)

*which im delighted to announce is 1:31/mile better than this time last week! So I am getting faster!! Progress at last!!

Also I love that my Garmin tells me calories burned! Lets me know how much treats I can afford in the day!
Hill training Thurday.

yungwan

Week 4 - Thursday

Aim: Hill Training

Result: Hill Training - 3 x reps of following:

- Fast up hill with high knees
- Fast downhill
- Fast uphill without high knees
- Recovery downhill

and 1 x uphill with high kness with recovery down.

1 mile warmup preceding this and 1.5 mile cool down.

Total Distance covered: 3.3 miles.

Found the first two reps hard but it didnt seem as hard after this. Can feel it in my legs today but I am happy all the same.

3 miles this evening (hopefully) - we have visitors this evening so I hope I can sneak out!

jcsmum

Well done on your progress! And yes, it is great to have a plan to follow - I'm with Emer on that one.
It gives you structure and once you more or less keep to a plan, you will start to improve and your distances and speeds with increase. You do have to be patient to begin with though.

yungwan

Ok so life REALLY got in the way this weekend.....

I didnt get out at all unfortunately.

As mentioned above, we were babysitting all weekend and man are babies hard work! Anyway, I didnt get a chance to do any running so missed my 3 mile on Friday and my 7 mile LSR yesterday.

I will do it this evening though I promise!

Have to be good this week as I am busy from the weekend until mid week next week (Rugby game Sat in Galway and Lady Gaga in Dublin Tuesday) so I dont know how my training will go )

Will post this weeks plan tommorrow after I get the LSR done this evening, as I am a day behind.

Bold Yungwan

yungwan

Ok ok I am throwing my hands up.... I wont be able to fit my 7 miler in

I tried to get out this evening, I had even changed and set off, but it was raining, and depressing, and I knew I wouldnt have enough time to do it by the time it got dark, so I came home.

Im thoroughly pissed off but I have to forget about it. At the end of the day Im not aiming for Olympian standard, so getting wet is not worth it to me.

Anyway Im going to (hopefully) ge out for my planned 4 miles tomorrow, and if not, the gym might be the best option for me.

God, I hate winter training.........

yungwan

Monday: Stretch & Strenghten
Tuesday: 4 miles
Wednesday: 7 x 400 @ 5k pace
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 3 miles
Saturday:Rest and Rugby!
Sunday/Monday: 8 miles (depending on hangover levels!)

Emer911

yungwan wrote: »

Ok ok I am throwing my hands up.... I wont be able to fit my 7 miler in

I tried to get out this evening, I had even changed and set off, but it was raining, and depressing, and I knew I wouldnt have enough time to do it by the time it got dark, so I came home.

Im thoroughly pissed off but I have to forget about it. At the end of the day Im not aiming for Olympian standard, so getting wet is not worth it to me.

Anyway Im going to (hopefully) ge out for my planned 4 miles tomorrow, and if not, the gym might be the best option for me.

God, I hate winter training.........

Geesh! You can't let our crappy irish weather get in the way of your training - or you'll never get any running in!! :rolleyes:
Get yourself a decent running jacket, a nice hat and gloves and HTFU (as the guys would say ).
Good luck with the winter training

yungwan

Emer911 wrote: »

Geesh! You can't let our crappy irish weather get in the way of your training - or you'll never get any running in!! :rolleyes:
Get yourself a decent running jacket, a nice hat and gloves and HTFU (as the guys would say ).
Good luck with the winter training

Haha I know, I am a wuss!!

Dont hold back Emer911!!

lol you're right, I think I needed to be told. I was having one of those REALLY unmotivated days and I was nearly crying at the thought of the run. 7 miles just seemed to much to take in that mood.

Anyway, yes I have to harden up and I have been lucky with the weather thus far so I have to get the finger out and get proper rain gear. At least I wont get soaked through then.

Kick up th ebum appreciated.... strangely!

yungwan

Tuesday: Aim - 4 miles

Result - 7 miles LSR:)

Albeit 2 days late, but better late than never eh??

Delighted I got out and done it. Just needed a realitycheck I guess, although I am still kinda glad I didnt do it yesterday as I was just not feeling it and I probably would have just plodded along and hated it. Instead this evening I had a lovely run on a lovely cool dry evening, and I even bet my 6 mile PB by about 3 minutes! Go me!

Mile 1: 11.30
2: 12:29
3: 13:34
4: 13:03
5:11:55
6: 12:12
7:13:33

Average pace: 12:37 (nice and comfortable most the time)

Total 1:28:15

Week 4 miles (ish!) : 14.5
Total Miles: 54

Will do my 4 miles tommorrow.

Emer911

Nice... Good work! Keep it up

jcsmum

Well done on your 7 miles.

It really is the thought more than anything else of leaving a nice cosy house or a comfy couch to head out into the dark or wind or rain for a run! But once you're out there............. :cool:

You will never regret going for a run... you WILL regret not going!

yungwan

My plan is a little all over the place this week, but none the less I am getting there, so bear with me!

Aim: 4 miles

Result: 4 miles, easy 48:11

Average pace: 12:03/m

Mile:
1: 11:11
2: 11.31
3: 13:09
4: 12.20

Its funny, I always start of fast and slow down, only to get faster from 3 miles+ It seems to take me a couple of miles to get into it!

Also, my calves always give me trouble for the first 2 miles or two and then they do be fine I have started consciously watching my foot fall as I think this has something to do with the calf problem. If I concentrate on my stride and land on heel rather than toes it helps alot. Also my posture can be an issue sometimes, so I will work on this too.

Starting to feel stronger though, more like a "real" runner, if that makes sense. Going to try some intervals tomorrow. Maybe 8 x 400?

yungwan

Starting feeling pretty lousy at work on Friday and had a cold all weekend So no running unfortunately.

Did get in my LSR today though, so thats something at least. :rolleyes:

Aim: 8 miles LSR

Result: 8 miles 1:46:00

Found this quite tough today tbh. Seemed much harder than last weeks 7 and was hurting from only 4 bloody miles! Some of the course, in particular from 3-4 miles was quite hilly, so maybe this was it.

Told myself to keep going though once I heard the 2:09 finish from the winner of DCM today! Unbelievable :eek:

Anyway got it done...

Mile
1 12:48
2 13.24
3 12.32
4 13.03
5 12.56
6 12:45
7 14:08
8 14:21

Average pace - 13:15 /mile


Hydration and running nutrition.
Think I am going to have to start experimenting with gels and other forms of energy. Also, I tend not to hydrate during training, just prehydrate. Maybe I next to have some water with me for my LSRs from now on? Advice would be appreciated on this, and also when I should take a gel? For eg for a 9 mile run? Maybe at mile 4/5?



Total Week 5 miles: (A pretty dismal, must try harder 12 miles :rolleyes:)
Total miles: 66

yungwan

Tuesday: 4 miles
Wednesday: Rest
Thursday: 7 x 400
Friday: 3 miles
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: Plan says 10k race so not sure yet whether I will do 9 miles or do 6 at race pace? Decide at a later date.

ger664

yungwan wrote: »

Hydration and running nutrition.
Think I am going to have to start experimenting with gels and other forms of energy. Also, I tend not to hydrate during training, just prehydrate. Maybe I next to have some water with me for my LSRs from now on? Advice would be appreciated on this, and also when I should take a gel? For eg for a 9 mile run? Maybe at mile 4/5?

Just my 2c but unless you are running longer then 2.5 hours there is no need for Energy Gels. However water is really important. One of the best things I ever did was getting into the habit of carrying a bottle when I ran and sipping as I ran. How much you need depends on yourself and weather conditions at the time. A 500ml bottle should go between 4-6 miles

yungwan wrote: »

Total Week 5 miles: (A pretty dismal, must try harder 12 miles :rolleyes:)
Total miles: 66

Do not stress it at least you got the LSR in.

Emer911

yungwan wrote: »

Hydration and running nutrition.
Think I am going to have to start experimenting with gels and other forms of energy. Also, I tend not to hydrate during training, just prehydrate. Maybe I next to have some water with me for my LSRs from now on? Advice would be appreciated on this, and also when I should take a gel? For eg for a 9 mile run? Maybe at mile 4/5?

I'm no expert, but as ger664 said, unless you going for 2hours or so, there shouldn't be any need for gels. Water (or a sports drink if you feel you need it) is really important and your performance will suffer if you get the hydration wrong.

I have used gel when doing a half marathon, but I'd generally only take them in training if I'm going over that. I find jelly sweets (like wine gums) work just as well for the shorter long runs (and it's a guilt free excuse to eat sweeties!:D)

Here's an extract from an article on About.com that's a good rule of thumb regarding hydration.

You should take in 4 to 6 ounces of fluid every 20 minutes during your runs. During longer workouts (90 minutes or more), some of your fluid intake should include a sports drink (like Gatorade) to replace lost sodium and other minerals (electrolytes).

conversion -> 4 fl oz ~ 120 mls; 6 fl oz ~ 180 mls

Another article here might be of use (though it's a bit scientific!)

The amount of water you'll need to take in on your run will depend on your sweat rate and the temperature and humidity levels. You'll need to work out what your body needs, so experiment... and enjoy!

yungwan

Thanks for that guys! Really appreciated. I am very slow though so training over 2 hours isnt too far away! Once I get to 10 miles Ill be over it at this rate.

Next week will have to see a marked improvement in my running commitment. Otherwise I may forget about the Waterford Half Marathon in December Ive made no marked improvement in my times, which directly correlates with the amount of effort I have been able to do/felt like doing.

Going off drink for November and going to get serious from next week.

Anyway.... 4 miles done this evening veeeeery slowly: 52:54

Wont fit in intervals this week again.

Too much alcohol after Lady Gaga Tuesday night makes Yungwan very unmotivated (and slower!)

Mile:

1: 11:47
2: 13:15
3: 13:42
4: 14:05

Average pace: 13:13

littlebug

I'm going to go against the grain here and say if you feel you want to try taking a gel then take a gel! If I'm doing e.g. 12 miles then I'd take one at 6 and another at 9. Maybe it's just a psychological boost rather than physical but if it helps it helps.
I always carry water with me for anything over 6 miles so you could try that out as Ger said.

Also figure out what works for you fuel wise. Some people can run early in the morning with no breakfast but I can't. For shorter runs I'd need at least a weetabix and banana beforehand. I found a bagel and banana better for longer runs. So if you're long runs are getting longer maybe you could try different fuelling techniques and see what works best for you so you have it right on the day. It may be that it's the prefuelling that you need to look at rather than gels on the run but you won't know til you try different things.

yungwan

littlebug wrote: »

I'm going to go against the grain here and say if you feel you want to try taking a gel then take a gel! If I'm doing e.g. 12 miles then I'd take one at 6 and another at 9. Maybe it's just a psychological boost rather than physical but if it helps it helps.
I always carry water with me for anything over 6 miles so you could try that out as Ger said.

Also figure out what works for you fuel wise. Some people can run early in the morning with no breakfast but I can't. For shorter runs I'd need at least a weetabix and banana beforehand. I found a bagel and banana better for longer runs. So if you're long runs are getting longer maybe you could try different fuelling techniques and see what works best for you so you have it right on the day. It may be that it's the prefuelling that you need to look at rather than gels on the run but you won't know til you try different things.

Thanks littlebug.

Yeah I think I am going to have to experiment. I found on my last LSR ( 8 miles) my legs were really seizing. As I mentioned above, I dont bring water with me and up until now this has been fine, but I think dehydration started to drain me. I do feel like I do be sapped of energy on longer runs, even after eating beforehand and prehydrating well.

I think I will try one gel to give me a boost, or maybe Ill just try wine gums at first because personally I think I need something.