Major Shame on Horrible Bus Eireann Driver

Mr. Presentable

Why is it not enough to say the person was late?

I don't condone what the driver is alleged to have said, but I don't believe a passenger should expect a bus to let them on when they are late, or when they are stopped at traffic lights.

The age and gender of the person shouldn't come into it.

Cookie_Monster

Punctuality and time keeping is still something Ireland is yet to learn and apply in daily life IMO.

She was late, wheter it be 30 secs, 2 mins or 30 mins it makes no difference.
The other point here is that if the bus left on time it wouldn't even been a n issue as it would be gone out of the depot by the time she even turned up

Terrontress

What is the procedure for a bus being given clearance from the stand at Busaras?

Could the driver have been awaiting the instruction to go and opening the door, selling the ticket, waiting for the passenger to sit would all have led to him missing his slot?

Also, I took the op to mean that the bystander pleading for the elderly lady to be let on was the one who was drunk. I can't see a reason for the driver to try to justify his reason to a random woman with a lie.

foggy_lad

the busses just reverse out away from the boarding gates, busses coming behind you if you are reversing usually give way, then drive out of busaras and they then have to drive around the block passing the front of the building before leaving store street turning onto memorial road to the right or left onto amiens street. busses usually get held up moving from store street out into the main traffic flow so the driver could have stopped here and letthe woman on as she did not require a ticked to be issued. they can also get held up at traffic lights on memoriar road and amiens street.

and i took it the driver was telling the bystander/samaritan that the elderly woman was drunk as a way of getting her to mind her own business maybe?

mikemac

Yes but as said already if the driver lets her on at traffic lights or when stopped in traffic and some kamikaze cyclist or moped rider comes up the inside and hits her, then the driver could face a disciplinary procedure.

The driver follows procedures, it's his job on the line.
No luggage or fare doesn't make an exception

Once the bus leaves Busaras it's too late, even if it has to go around the block and is sitting in a queue on Store Street

foggy_lad

feelingstressed wrote: »

Yes but as said already if the driver lets her on at traffic lights or when stopped in traffic and some kamikaze cyclist or moped rider comes up the inside and hits her, then the driver could face a disciplinary procedure.

The driver follows procedures, it's his job on the line.
No luggage or fare doesn't make an exception

Once the bus leaves Busaras it's too late, even if it has to go around the block and is sitting in a queue on Store Street

so why did he not just let her on the bus before pulling away from the gate in busaras?

was it because he didnt want another "buss pass" on his bus?

Transportuser09

foggy_lad wrote: »

so why did he not just let her on the bus before pulling away from the gate in busaras?

was it because he didnt want another "buss pass" on his bus?

What ever the reasons are I doubt it was that!

AlekSmart

So why did he not just let her on the bus before pulling away from the gate in busaras?

was it because he didnt want another "buss pass" on his bus?

Ah whoa a minute Foggy_Lad....there`s already substantial divergence in terms of what different readers are taking from Sing-Dumb`s OP.

There is by no means a universal acceptance that the Coach,or the "Old Lady" were "at the gate in Busaras" at all.

Sing_Dumb`s OP manages to be highly colourful and superficially specific,however if one gets a bit forensic then it becomes somewhat difficult to retain such clarity of purpose....

Már Shámpla.....

Got the Tullow/Wexford bus from Busarus yesterday, which departs at 5.30pm. At 5.32 exactly a rather flumoxxed elderly lady tied to board the bus, which had it's doors closed.

I note that Sing_Dumb does not allege the Bus departed late,which would support Foggy_Lads interpretation of the Old Lady being at the gate.
Perhaps S_D is laying a trap for those who fail to support the general principle of supporting Old Ladies in all things ?

If things were running smoothly then I would see the Coach being away from the gate at 17.32 and perhaps even out through the exit gate onto Store Street itself ?

I`m not at all sure of what to make of the Bus Pass comment,as it makes no sense in any context to this issue ?

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ah whoa a minute Foggy_Lad....there`s already substantial divergence in terms of what different readers are taking from Sing-Dumb`s OP.

There is by no means a universal acceptance that the Coach,or the "Old Lady" were "at the gate in Busaras" at all.

Sing_Dumb`s OP manages to be highly colourful and superficially specific,however if one gets a bit forensic then it becomes somewhat difficult to retain such clarity of purpose....

Már Shámpla.....

I note that Sing_Dumb does not allege the Bus departed late,which would support Foggy_Lads interpretation of the Old Lady being at the gate.
Perhaps S_D is laying a trap for those who fail to support the general principle of supporting Old Ladies in all things ?

If things were running smoothly then I would see the Coach being away from the gate at 17.32 and perhaps even out through the exit gate onto Store Street itself ?

I`m not at all sure of what to make of the Bus Pass comment,as it makes no sense in any context to this issue ?

to me the op is saying the old lady presented herself to board the bus at 5.32pm because the bus was sitting at the gate with the door closed possibly waiting for the area behind to clear which would not be unusual for busses on a busy afternoon/evening,

i have on occasion been on busses which were completly blocked in because other busses were behind then allowing passengers allight onto the apron in full view of inspectors etc so saying the driver could not stop on the apron in busaras after reversing away from the gate and allow the old dear on is not the case.

AlekSmart

To me the op is saying the old lady presented herself to board the bus at 5.32pm because the bus was sitting at the gate with the door closed possibly waiting for the area behind to clear which would not be unusual for busses on a busy afternoon/evening,

Yes Foggy_Lad,To You,however that is not the scenario being taken from the same OP by Me and some other posters.

So in the absence of some clarification on this and other issues,perhaps a little restraint in ascribing "blame" might be worth considering,even if only a temporary respite ?

Allowing passengers allight onto the apron in full view of inspectors etc so saying the driver could not stop on the apron in busaras after reversing away from the gate and allow the old dear on is not the case.

I would imagine the alighting of passengers onto the live Busarus Apron could only be carried out under the supervision of the Inspectorate and I for one would certainly be reluctant to perform it without active supervision being present ?

Spook80

although we're still waiting on some points to be clarified i see it mostly the same as foggy_lad.
I think we can assume the bus had not departed yet as the OP quotes
"the unfortunate woman WAS a whole two minutes late"

I agree that the bus driver shouldn't have let lady on at traffic lights but this should not have been an issue if he had of had common decency to begin with when bus was safely parked.

Shame on him.

AlekSmart

DaveM80 posted...

I think we can assume the bus had not departed yet as the OP quotes
"the unfortunate woman WAS a whole two minutes late"

Again I don`t thing "we" can assume any such thing from the OP,which increasingly appears to read as a well-crafted piece of descriptive prose,perhaps even with some creative licence taken ?

Got the Tullow/Wexford bus from Busarus yesterday, which departs at 5.30pm. At 5.32 exactly a rather flumoxxed elderly lady tied to board the bus, which had it's doors closed. The obnoixous little $$XX of a driver would not let the poor oul' divil on, even though she waved her Bus Pass madly at him.

Lads, I'm not joking, but that poor woman ran (YES...she RAN after the bus!!) and caught up with it at the Traffic Lights, and pleaded to be allowed on.

The more common complaint re Busdrivers and Doors is of them slamming the doors in intending passengers faces,so I think the choice of words by the OP here is significant..."it had its doors closed" suggesting to me that they had been closed for at least the 2 minutes in contention ?

The location of the "Traffic Lights" referred to is also worth clarifying,as I take it to be a set beyond the Store Street exit...I would have expected the OP to have made a greater issue if the incident had occurred at the exit..I`m taking it that we are now out in the Store Street/Beresford Place vicinity ?

Again I see ambiguity and lack of clarity in the OP and not surprisingly perhaps people taking what they can from it to mould and fit-in with their own preconceptions of "All" Bus Eireann drivers etc etc..?

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yes Foggy_Lad,To You,however that is not the scenario being taken from the same OP by Me and some other posters.

So in the absence of some clarification on this and other issues,perhaps a little restraint in ascribing "blame" might be worth considering,even if only a temporary respite ?


I would imagine the alighting of passengers onto the live Busarus Apron could only be carried out under the supervision of the Inspectorate and I for one would certainly be reluctant to perform it without active supervision being present ?

i have often stepped off busses in busaras on the apron and yes it was supervised by an inspector who was on the other side of the bus chatting to other staff, not watching out at all for the safety of passengers in fact totally unable to see them.

AlekSmart wrote: »

DaveM80 posted...

Again I don`t thing "we" can assume any such thing from the OP,which increasingly appears to read as a well-crafted piece of descriptive prose,perhaps even with some creative licence taken ?

so the op is lying now? where do you see this prose becoming increasingly more like lies?

The more common complaint re Busdrivers and Doors is of them slamming the doors in intending passengers faces,so I think the choice of words by the OP here is significant..."it had its doors closed" suggesting to me that they had been closed for at least the 2 minutes in contention ?

drivers usually close the doors at the scheduled departure time or even before if there are not people boarding, they often do not leave the gate and apron for several minutes past the departure time for different reasons. so you think the op may be elaborating or making it up because they did not say the driver slammed the door in the old dears face?? this is not a dublin bus where the doors close quickly but a bus eireann coach which has doors that cant be slammed in the manner you seem to think they can.

The location of the "Traffic Lights" referred to is also worth clarifying,as I take it to be a set beyond the Store Street exit...I would have expected the OP to have made a greater issue if the incident had occurred at the exit..I`m taking it that we are now out in the Store Street/Beresford Place vicinity ?

i see this as being the lights at memorial road heading towards talbot memorial bridge and onto georges quay at the back of the customs house and just a few yards from the store street junction. here

Again I see ambiguity and lack of clarity in the OP and not surprisingly perhaps people taking what they can from it to mould and fit-in with their own preconceptions of "All" Bus Eireann drivers etc etc..?

well this from the op might explain why the op was not maybe as clear and concise as some would be expecting

Even now, a day later, that whole incident feels so wrong to me.

I HAD to vent about this, especially as the next bus, after the Sat 5.30pm one, is not tilll next day, on Sunday at 4.30pm. A million questions need to be asked here...like when did human respect for our elderly vanish? Would you or I like this to happen to our mam or granny?? Where did that poor woman spend last night in Dublin and did she have any money for a B+B, or family she could kip with??? Etc Etc. I'm haunted by the look on that distressed woman's face...as she watched the 5.30 Tullow/Wexford bus, pull off without her!!!! God help her and may God forgive the wretched driver who humiliated and degraded her.

most reasonable people will be feeling the same about the poor woman and her unfortunate encounter with the "wretched driver who humiliated and degraded her."

AlekSmart

I see this as being the lights at memorial road heading towards talbot memorial bridge and onto georges quay at the back of the customs house and just a few yards from the store street junction

Are you sure Foggy_Lad...that surely would not fit in with the 2 minute thing ?

Its increasingly appearing to me that this "Old Lady" was not within Busaras at all,but rather,attempted to board at the Store Street exit which might account for any strategic omissions in the original description ?

Most reasonable people will be feeling the same about the poor woman and her unfortunate encounter with the "wretched driver who humiliated and degraded her."

Perhaps,but I would also suggest that a great many "reasonable people" might be reserving judgement until some relevant issues are clarified..perhaps even on foot of the OP`s complaint to Bus Eireann ?

I,for one,do not feel that the OP`s colourful descriptive writing constitutes reason enough to deliver full and complete judgement on this particular occurrence

So you think the op may be elaborating or making it up

...Thats always a possibility,however there`s no suggestion from me that the OP is a fabrication.

My reservations are that the OP gives an impression of holding a particular viewpoint in terms of individual Bus Eireann staff (a not uncommon occurence).....

The bus driver in question is known for scaring the bejasus out of people and reqular users on the route are terrified of the little so-and-so

and this attitude of mind,if confirmed,might lead a resonable person to view this particular account with a more cautious eye ?

foggy_lad

You are turning the "two minute thing" into something it is not. My understanding is the bus was boarded in busaras at the gate and when all presenting passengers were boarded the driver closed the door. This was possibly at 5.30 or maybe even 5.25 or 5.20 but at 5:32 while the bus was still at the boarding gate the old woman attempted to board by knocking on the door but the driver refused her request and then reversed onto the apron and drove out onto store street and around the front of busaras heading towards talbot bridge. The only mention of two minutes is the woman trying to get onto the bus at the gate in busaras at 5.32 two minutes after the scheduled departure time.

-Chris-

You know what? I'm locking this thread.

At the moment all I can see is several people bickering about an event that they don't have any clarity about whatsoever. sing_dumb provided us with an OP that, while colourfully told, can potentially be interpreted several ways.
In the absence of sing_dumb to clarify the sequence of events, the only outcome of this thread is for the dog to chase his tail until he falls over.


sing_dumb - PM me when you are back online and available to clarify the events and the thread will be reopened. If I'm not online, please just report this post and this will alert all the C&T mods to your presence.