Straight red for hurley-throwing?

lukin

Please don't turn this thread into a "Kilkenny are a dirty team" as I only want to ask people's opinions but there was another incident of a player throwing his hurley at an opponent today. It's been done before on the field and I think it's a particularly unsporting type of foul.
The GAA have instructed refs that pulling off helmets should be a straight red so maybe they should do the same for this? I know it's not as dangerous but it's just so undignified it should really be stamped out.

Diabhal Beag

It should be a red. It doesn't happen very often though.

liammur

No

yes, it's yobbish behaviour.

overhand_right

No

yes straight red no need for it at all in the game he knew he was well beatin

Clareman

No

Straight red imvho, surely by definition it's dangerous play

beertons

No

Definately. If it happened on the streets, could you imagine the uproar. Just because it happened on the pitch, shouldn't make it acceptable.

Fattes

was another incident of a player throwing his hurley at an opponent today

Are you talking about the goal? If you are I dont think the hurl was thrown at the player rather it was thronw between the Goal and the Sliothar

If the hurl is thrown directly at another player then yes straight red. Will be intresting to see if the Sunday game show allot of the off the ball stuff that happened today.

At one stage the full back and full forward where knocking 7 shades of **** out of each other in the square.

Sound Bite

No

Without a doubt. Poor sportmanship & potentially dangerous.
Would be interested in hearing from those who voted no?

Dots1982

No

Course it should, how the hell could you vote no for it being a red card, your launching a missile at another player.

ShamoBuc

I think its only a yellow. It is more like a cynical/professional foul and most of them are given as yellows. Blatantly take a fellow down before he gets in to score a goal - yellow, I think that is similar to throwing the hurley. Although if the hurley was swung as distinct to thrown I might lean towards red as it could do alot more damage.
Thankfully it does not come up that often.

Clareman

No

A thrown hurley is a last gasp for someone who has been completely beaten and if it's intentional it should be the last act of the player for the game

D-Generate

No

I was certain that he was trying to intercept the sliotar with the hurley rather than hit the player.

ShamoBuc

D-Generate wrote: »

I was certain that he was trying to intercept the sliotar with the hurley rather than hit the player.

Therein lies my problem. I think its a yellow but if its thrown to hit the player - red. But how do you decide. Yes its dangerous play but as somebody else mentioned in an earlier post, the FF and FB were tearing strips out of eachother - No Red, No Yellow, No Free - play on ??? Is that not dangerous play aswell? Did the ref think - right lads because it was in the heat of the moment I will just play on? Throwing a hurley I would suggest is certainly heat of the moment aswell.

unknown13

No

Yes, way too dangerous. It has to be stamped out because if it aint then the sport of hurling will be become very dangerous.

Minstrel27

I don't think that the hurley was thrown at the player but rather at the sliothar.

Clareman

No

If you were to enforce every rule in the book to the letter of the law you'd never get a game played, but throwing a hurley can't be acceptable and I don't think you could have 2 versions, 1 if you hit a player or not, simple, if someone intentionally throws a hurley it's a a straight red.

unknown13

No

Clareman wrote: »

If you were to enforce every rule in the book to the letter of the law you'd never get a game played, but throwing a hurley can't be acceptable and I don't think you could have 2 versions, 1 if you hit a player or not, simple, if someone intentionally throws a hurley it's a a straight red.

Dropping and throwing the hurley are both very noticeable. A player will generally drop the hurley by accident but will intentionally throw it.

Ian_K

No

If it's dangerous, as it was today, then yes it should be a red

Clareman

No

Just saw it there, he went for the head, straight red, simple. How many steps did he take for the goal though?

kraggy

Would view it as a professional foul, akin to that in soccer. But it's even more malicious than that as there is the danger element.

Definitely red card.

Clareman

No

unknown13 wrote: »

Dropping and throwing the hurley are both very noticeable. A player will generally drop the hurley by accident but will intentionally throw it.

If you want to be a ref you've to be a mind reader so you know whether it's meant of not

Actually, what would happen if a goalie threw his hurley to stop a goal?

unknown13

No

Clareman wrote: »

Actually, what would happen if a goalie threw his hurley to stop a goal?

I don't think a goalie would ever have to do it at intercounty level TBH. Do you think Ryan, Cummings or O Cusack will ever do it. Not a chance way too risky.

yabadabado

I dont think he threw it at the player but at the sliotar but I think it still should be a straight red.he is well beaten and threw the hurl no need for it .it would be a easy rule too enforce aswel and in fairness it doesnt happen to often.One question if the hurl had connected with the sliotar and prevented a score ,what would happen?Free in/penalty?

unknown13

No

yabadabado wrote: »

One question if the hurl had connected with the sliotar and prevented a score ,what would happen?Free in/penalty?

There is no professional foul rule in both Hurling or Gaelic. So, not many people know what would happen.

Clareman

No

I would assume that a free would be given from where the hurley struck the sliother, the other problem would be whether the free is considered a technical foul or not.

Ian_K

No

unknown13 wrote: »

There is no professional foul rule in both Hurling or Gaelic. So, not many people know what would happen.

There is no "professional foul" in the rulebook but throwing the hurley is listed as a foul specifically - punishable by a yellow card and a free in, or penalty which would have been the case today

yabadabado

I was thinking the same so it would be up to how the ref interpreted it.

Mal-Adjusted

No

Clareman wrote: »

If you were to enforce every rule in the book to the letter of the law you'd never get a game played

so what, abandon rules altogether? if players can't stick to the rules, they shouldn't be playing the game

ShamoBuc

Ian_K wrote: »

There is no "professional foul" in the rulebook but throwing the hurley is listed as a foul specifically - punishable by a yellow card and a free in, or penalty which would have been the case today

case solved;)

Pisco Sour

No

Of course it should be a red card. It is no different to something along the lines of Andy Roddick throwing a tennis racket at Roger Federer as he is about to take a shot. It is not only bad sportsmanship but it is also potentially very dangerous. Only giving a yellow card for it was ridiculous.

teednab-el

No

KK are a fright for doing this. Watch the NAtional League final 2009. Lar Corbette through on goal and Tommy Walsh throws his hurley at Corbette. They are bad loosers when you see this.

allthedoyles

Sound Bite wrote: »

Without a doubt. Poor sportmanship & potentially dangerous.
Would be interested in hearing from those who voted no?

I don't think it warrants a red card , because most times the hurley misses the opponent and indeed it aint half as bad as a wild pull is .

It certainly shows max frustration from a player

unknown13

No

allthedoyles wrote: »

I don't think it warrants a red card , because most times the hurley misses the opponent and indeed it aint half as bad as a wild pull is .

It can do as much damage as a wild pull.

ShamoBuc

teednab-el wrote: »

KK are a fright for doing this. Watch the NAtional League final 2009. Lar Corbette through on goal and Tommy Walsh throws his hurley at Corbette. They are bad loosers when you see this.

I said this to a KK man one day and he came back with the age old... show me a good looser and I'll show you a looser. It's a train of thought I don't particularly like.

Clareman

No

The hurley was thrown when the sliothar was still in the hand so wasn't going for the ball.

snowman707

straight red

goal should have been disallowed also, ¬¬¬¬¬¬ steps.

Ian_K

No

snowman707 wrote: »

straight red

goal should have been disallowed also, ¬¬¬¬¬¬ steps.

Contradiction much? The man had a hurl thrown at him so the referee allowed him a bit of leniency and let him go instead of blowing him up and giving him a penalty, much like the Kildare goal versus Down last week in the football

Le King

No

Yes, doesn't matter, way too dangerous.

Annuv

First of all I think throwing a hurl is stupid, looks very bad and has no place in hurling, and I'm very disappointed with Tennyson for doing that yesterday.

Throwing the hurl unfortunately is more common than is made out, Corks John Gardener is fond of it, if you watch a replay of Eoin Larkins last goal against Cork in the championship it is Gardeners hurl that is flying through the air at Larkin as he strikes the ball. He also did it in this years Championship against Kilkenny when Eddie Brennan scored his goal. He has also done it to Eoin Kelly for Waterford 2007. Eoin Kelly of Waterford even threw the hurl into the stand full of spectators in 2006. (But hey, they're not from Kilkenny so who cares) Some here may even remember that Tommy Walsh threw the hurl as well last year ??

Anyway, in most cases when a hurl is thrown, it is thrown like we saw yesterday and like when Gardener tends to do it, when there's a man through on goal and they've little hope of catching him. There is no attempt to injure the player, it is an attempt to block or hook the strike, and it is the effort of a beaten man. (I have seen it work in a club game before)

For some on here to describe the hurl being thrown as a dangerous 'missle', and worse that 'a wild pull' beggars belief. Have you (a) ever held a hurl (b) ever been on the end of a wild pull? During a game you'd barely even notice if a thrown hurl hit you, unless it hit you in the nuts or something, whereas you'd certaily notice receiving a wild pull.

So I personally think a yellow card is adequate punishment, unless it's clear as day that an attempt was made to injure someone. However if there was a rule change brought in to make it an automatic red, i'd have no objections since as I wrote earlier, it has no place in hurling

Martin567

teednab-el wrote: »

KK are a fright for doing this. Watch the NAtional League final 2009. Lar Corbette through on goal and Tommy Walsh throws his hurley at Corbette. They are bad loosers when you see this.

In that same League Final, Richie Hogan had two hurls thrown at him when he went through to score his goal. You obviously didn't see that.

homerjay2005

No

i knew there would be some reaction on here to this yesterday! when i saw this happening, i thought straight red. it was shameful, it was a moment of madness and he should have been sent off. no other excuses really.

Stinicker

No

Fattes wrote: »

At one stage the full back and full forward where knocking 7 shades of **** out of each other in the square.

Yes that was comical and probably not shown on tv, the two umpire stood there like the moving statue of ballinspiddal and the Kilkenny lad definitely deserved to go for it. The two umpires were a disgrace, never even alerted the referee.

GymJim

No

teednab-el wrote: »

KK are a fright for doing this. Watch the NAtional League final 2009. Lar Corbette through on goal and Tommy Walsh throws his hurley at Corbette. They are bad loosers when you see this.

He also did it against Galway in the championship last year.

Very cynical and dangerous attempt to prevent a score which has no place in the game. Has to be a straight red to cut it out completely. Whether aimed at the player or the sliotar it has the same potential to injure another player.

gmale

No

Absolutely a straight red!

Its reckless and dangerous. Once the hurley leaves the hand the player has absolutely no control over it. It may be done with intent to block the sliotar but could just as likely hit (the much bigger object) the player. It was a stupid action and whether its Tennyson or Gardiner, its deserved of a red card.

girvtheswerve

No

Straight red, no doubt. Doesnt matter what the player is intending when he throws the hurl. Its an unsporting, unsightly action

RGS

No

During one of our junior games this year a thrown hurley struck our player on the shoulder, thankfully the lad was not too badly injured.
The ref shown a straight red card--correct decision.
It should be a straight red every time and that will stop this stupidand dangerous action.

999/112

No

RED!

lukin

Seems fairly unanimous here; I don't think Christy Cooney reads boards though:D

harpsman

No

D-Generate wrote: »

I was certain that he was trying to intercept the sliotar with the hurley rather than hit the player.

Nonsense.
He was trying to do neither,but distract the player by throwing it into his eyeline.I think it should be a red card for dangerous play.

Fandango

No

If it is thrown AT the player then there should be no doubt that its a red. In the AI Final however i think it was thrown in front of him to try and block the goal chance. I dont know if that should be red or yellow but i wouldnt argue with a ref if he showed either for it.

gmale

No

Fandango wrote: »

If it is thrown AT the player then there should be no doubt that its a red. In the AI Final however i think it was thrown in front of him to try and block the goal chance. I dont know if that should be red or yellow but i wouldnt argue with a ref if he showed either for it.

Sher why doesnt a player just grab a flag from the sideline and throw that, or throw their helmet or take one of their football boots and throw that? Seriously! You cant throw anything, you cant throw a ball so how can you throw a hurley?