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Dr.Silly

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AGC

Have backed McIlroy and Casey in this.

the expect the weatehr to be bad later because of the hurricane so 1st round leaders should be from early groupings.

heavyballs

AGC wrote: »

Have backed McIlroy and Casey in this.

the expect the weatehr to be bad later because of the hurricane so 1st round leaders should be from early groupings.

i don't know about that,if the bad weather comes in they will pull them off the course sharpish as there's no preferred lies from the start,then after the rain it will be nice and receptive,i didn't go mad on my bets on this tourney as the it will come down to luck regarding the weather,that said the first round leader normally comes from the morning starters just because the greens are fresh

AGC

heavyballs wrote: »

i don't know about that,if the bad weather comes in they will pull them off the course sharpish as there's no preferred lies from the start,then after the rain it will be nice and receptive,i didn't go mad on my bets on this tourney as the it will come down to luck regarding the weather,that said the first round leader normally comes from the morning starters just because the greens are fresh

From reading reports they don't expect to get the full effect of the hurricane which might leave it still playable

Once a bit of lightening shows up though they will pull them in as you said

aster99

Rory birdies 1 & 2 great start!

Whyner

Round 1 starts today, took me a while to figure that out

heavyballs

Whyner wrote: »

Round 1 starts today, took me a while to figure that out

well done brains....btw they're ripping the course apart

Whyner

heavyballs wrote: »

well done brains....btw they're ripping the course apart

Well it does usually start on Thurs, let me guess, you're an xxxxxxx?

Nuri Sahin

Have Jason Day and Adam Scott(posted in the gambling thread). Day off to a flying start. A lot of folks bets though are doing well early on in fairness.

I see Ryan Palmer has started well. Gutted I didn't back him when he was at 110 - 120's/1 after the Barclays.

Whyner

Another burd for McIlroy, -4, no bogeys

heavyballs

Adnan Alves wrote: »

Have Jason Day and Adam Scott(posted in the gambling thread). Day off to a flying start. A lot of folks bets though are doing well early on in fairness.

I see Ryan Palmer has started well. Gutted I didn't back him when he was at 110 - 120's/1 after the Barclays.

i'm on Scott aswell,i'm worried about him now with all the birdies around,his putter hasn't been great from 10-15 feet in the last few weeks

Dr.Silly

heavyballs wrote: »

i'm on Scott aswell,i'm worried about him now with all the birdies around,his putter hasn't been great from 10-15 feet in the last few weeks

Am on A. Scott too...and Bubba...who's doing great !!!

Nuri Sahin

On a non-bet related note, good to see Fredrik Jacobsen playing well. At one stage during the mid 00's, I really thought he had a Major in him. He was contending every week it seemed be it in Europe or the US.

Whyner

Missed that, did McIlroy chip in for birdie on 14?

Whyner

Whyner wrote: »

Missed that, did McIlroy chip in for birdie on 14?

Sorted, shottracker was down, 24ft putt...nice

heavyballs

Adnan Alves wrote: »

On a non-bet related note, good to see Fredrik Jacobsen playing well. At one stage during the mid 00's, I really thought he had a Major in him. He was contending every week it seemed be it in Europe or the US.

agreed,however ,how he manages to get it around with that swing is beyond me,

dev123

Hi all

Not sure if people have posted this before but the golf is being streamed live on pgatour.com

I have just watched McIlroy roll in his eagle put on the 18th to finish 7 under

Enjoy

me89

Woods +4 after 6:eek:

Trampas

Seems like an unfair draw.

The uk media will not be pleased about casey -5 and ph on +1

Nuri Sahin

Not watching the golf, but dare I presume Rob Lee is grinning ear to ear?

kingshankly

fair play to Harrington justifying his wild pick currently last;)

Aidric

Europe's Saviour.

Dr.Silly

lol...
harrington = comical..
even before todays round...Monty was such a chicken sh1t not to drop him for the team....complete and utter joke how he's in there and casey or rose aren't..

yeah yeah yeah...3 majors blah blah...f*cks sake

thegen

Dr.Silly wrote: »

lol...
harrington = comical..
even before todays round...Monty was such a chicken sh1t not to drop him for the team....complete and utter joke how he's in there and casey or rose aren't..

yeah yeah yeah...3 majors blah blah...f*cks sake

You have to in a team to be dropped!!!!!!!

whatawaster

When did the first 9 holes of the Deutche Bank become selection criteria for the Ryder Cup?

thegen

whatawaster wrote: »

When did the first 9 holes of the Deutche Bank become selection criteria for the Ryder Cup?

I agree, a lot of wannabe Sky Sports presenters here. Lol

Martin567

Dr.Silly wrote: »

lol...
harrington = comical..
even before todays round...Monty was such a chicken sh1t not to drop him for the team....complete and utter joke how he's in there and casey or rose aren't..

yeah yeah yeah...3 majors blah blah...f*cks sake

It's bad enough to read this sort of ill-informed garbage in the British media but to read it on here is especially sickening. This has already been discussed on the Ryder Cup thread and I don't want to go into it in detail again. In summary though, Harrington compares favourably to both Casey & Rose on top 10's in the last 12 months, top 10's in the last 5 months and on both Ryder Cup tables. This is despite not reaching the peak that we know he is capable of. Any balanced view would accept that it was a very close decision which went in Harrington's favour due to his overall stature in the game. However, such thoughts would surely be beyond your simple little world.

As for Aidric, I know we've been here before. I think you should have the decency to admit you can't stand Padraig Harrington and take great pleasure if he is playing badly. The glib, smart-alec posts are always there where he is concerned and do not seem to be applied to other players in the same way. Of course, I am being "over-sensitive" to expect that you might post in a more balanced way.

Aidric

I think you are being over sensitive, Martin.

SSK

Just had his second double bogey of the day

It wouldn't be so bad but everyone else is burning up the course. His driving is absolutely appalling at the moment, only 45% accuracy off the tee today.

I understand the reasons for Monty picking him, but you'd have to think he'll have no chance of playing in the foursomes which will limit Monty's options.

ankles

Children behave. Fact is either could have been picked. Can see why Padraig was but equally could have seen an argument for Casey (Rose less so). However now the team is picked we would all (I hope) like to see Padraig show some form. Hitting it straight would be good for a start.

Martin567

Aidric wrote: »

I think you are being over sensitive, Martin.

A good constructive reply, up to your usual standards.

Aidric

Martin567 wrote: »

A good constructive reply, up to your usual standards.

Look sunshine. You are new around here and seem to be struggling to get up to speed. I have explained my position on Harrington numerous times. I don't hate the bloke in any way shape or form as you seem to believe.
I watch golf live nearly every week and comment as I see it. When it comes to Harrington that has involved a lot of bombing in recent tournaments.
If you want a thread that licks Paddy's ass all year long and engages in triumphalist jingoism then I suggest you go look elsewhere.
In the mean time grow a thicker skin.

Martin567

Aidric wrote: »

Look sunshine. You are new around here and seem to be struggling to get up to speed. I have explained my position on Harrington numerous times. I don't hate the bloke in any way shape or form as you seem to believe.
I watch golf live nearly every week and comment as I see it. When it comes to Harrington that has involved a lot of bombing in recent tournaments.
If you want a thread that licks Paddy's ass all year long and engages in triumphalist jingoism then I suggest you go look elsewhere.
In the mean time grow a thicker skin.

Listen "Sunshine", don't patronise me. You've brought up me being new around here before as if it had some relevance. I've read your posts and they betray your feelings, why not be honest about it?

I too watch golf most weeks and I would challenge my knowledge against yours any day of the week. The point about your comments is that you jump in to comment as soon as he makes a mistake with some snide remark. As regards this event, why not comment on the fact that Tiger, Ernie, Justin Rose & Dustin Johnson are also struggling today?

As regards triumphalist jingoism, that is pathetic and beneath contempt. I have no problem in saying that Padraig is having a mixed year, far behind his peak of 2008. He has played some good golf, some poor golf and is missing the one big week to really kick on. Despite this, he was only just outside the automatic Ryder Cup qualifiers. He did in fact finish 8th on the Ryder Cup world list.

To sum up, your number of postings doesn't make you some sort of authority so cop yourself on.

heavyballs

Martin567 wrote: »

It's bad enough to read this sort of ill-informed garbage in the British media but to read it on here is especially sickening.QUOTE]

i wasn't aware this forum was for Irish only,lots of brits on here,i love PH to bits but have no problem with people lashing him either,Forum-opinions and all that jazz

displaced dub

Martin567 wrote: »

Listen "Sunshine", don't patronise me. You've brought up me being new around here before as if it had some relevance. I've read your posts and they betray your feelings, why not be honest about it?

I too watch golf most weeks and I would challenge my knowledge against yours any day of the week. The point about your comments is that you jump in to comment as soon as he makes a mistake with some snide remark. As regards this event, why not comment on the fact that Tiger, Ernie, Justin Rose & Dustin Johnson are also struggling today?

As regards triumphalist jingoism, that is pathetic and beneath contempt. I have no problem in saying that Padraig is having a mixed year, far behind his peak of 2008. He has played some good golf, some poor golf and is missing the one big week to really kick on. Despite this, he was only just outside the automatic Ryder Cup qualifiers. He did in fact finish 8th on the Ryder Cup world list.

To sum up, your number of postings doesn't make you some sort of authority so cop yourself on.

I think you will find this is his 2nd really poor season and unless he removes his head from his hole soon he'll be outside the top50, I'm astonished he got a wild card too.

Backed Scott and DJ who's currently last.

Martin567

heavyballs wrote: »

Martin567 wrote: »

It's bad enough to read this sort of ill-informed garbage in the British media but to read it on here is especially sickening.QUOTE]

i wasn't aware this forum was for Irish only,lots of brits on here,i love PH to bits but have no problem with people lashing him either,Forum-opinions and all that jazz

Of course it's not for Irish only but it is an Irish website. Apologies if anyone offended, certainly no offence intended.

I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion, providing they get their facts straight. The whole basis of the argument of certain media people and the aptly named Dr Silly is that Casey & Rose have been in great form all year while Harrington has been awful. Anyone who takes the time to check the stats can see that is not correct. I don't agree that the opinion of someone who fails to check their facts is equally valid.

Cremated

This isn't an attack on Harrington by any means, I'm just wondering from the people who know a lot more of the Technical side of Golf, did Harrington need to change his swing?, the changes he has made are they big changes?,

just it seems to me that Harrington won 3 Majors with his old swing, and then he goes and changes it,

it just got me wondering what the problem was...

Martin567

Cremated wrote: »

This isn't an attack on Harrington by any means, I'm just wondering from the people who know a lot more of the Technical side of Golf, did Harrington need to change his swing?, the changes he has made are they big changes?,

just it seems to me that Harrington won 3 Majors with his old swing, and then he goes and changes it,

it just got me wondering what the problem was...

Difficult question to answer. I'm certainly not qualified to do so. I think it's pretty clear he's a perfectionist and that is what made him the player he is in the first place. That drive for perfection seems to be his main motivation but he may have got too technical.

Interesting that today's round appears to have been un-Harrington like. He had 33 putts, around 6 more than his usual average. I don't know if he missed a lot of makeable putts or if his approach shots left him a long way from the hole.

Martin567

displaced dub wrote: »

I think you will find this is his 2nd really poor season and unless he removes his head from his hole soon he'll be outside the top50, I'm astonished he got a wild card too.

Backed Scott and DJ who's currently last.

The first half of 2009 was by far the worst period of his career. The second half of the year had about 10 top 10's including six in a row in the States. It had everything except a win. This year has been really frustrating as he has had a number of 64's and 65's but he always seems to have had one bad round which takes him out of contention. He also played very poorly in the majors. Regarding the wild card, look at his results compared with any of the other contenders. It is clear why it was a close call.

kingshankly

harringtons inclusion at the expense of Casey is shocking. hasn't played any decent golf for two years, last 2 Ryder cups has been poor, has been hitting the ball sideways for a while now and is showing no signs if improvement, and he is picked because he has three majors, might aswell have picked faldo while your at it. then you have Casey who is playing consistently well was runner up in the world matchplay where he was outstanding and only for an injury this year might have made the team automatically
if Casey was irish and harri English there would be a lot more discontent on here.

Aidric

Martin567 wrote: »

I've read your posts and they betray your feelings, why not be honest about it?

Oh you have, have you? You have read every post I have made about Harrington on here for the sake of balance? Or is it that you have cherrypicked the critical ones to suit your argument. Unless you have read every post I have made about Harrington then I'm afraid you are being disingenuous. I have given him credit where it was due.

Martin567 wrote: »

The point about your comments is that you jump in to comment as soon as he makes a mistake with some snide remark. As regards this event, why not comment on the fact that Tiger, Ernie, Justin Rose & Dustin Johnson are also struggling today?

Not really no. I've said this until I'm blue in the face but I comment on what I'm seeing live and that happens to involve a lot of wild play when it comes to Harrington in the last year especially.
As for not commenting on the others, that's not entirely true. It all comes down to that feeling of being invested in someone. I'll usually comment on the players who I have bets on as well as those challenging. As an Irishman I will always be drawn to comment on Harrington because I want to see him doing well but all these brain freezes are stretching my patience with him. I'm not alone in this btw.

Martin567 wrote: »

To sum up, your number of postings doesn't make you some sort of authority so cop yourself on.

Wut? Did I ever claim it did? You are the one who brought up that frankly ridiculous point.

Fwiw Martin I think you surmise your opinions quite well on Golf. I just wish you wouldn't get your back up so much when posters have a go at Harrington for his mess ups.

Martin567

Aidric wrote: »

Oh you have, have you? You have read every post I have made about Harrington on here for the sake of balance? Or is it that you have cherrypicked the critical ones to suit your argument. Unless you have read every post I have made about Harrington then I'm afraid you are being disingenuous. I have given him credit where it was due.


Not really no. I've said this until I'm blue in the face but I comment on what I'm seeing live and that happens to involve a lot of wild play when it comes to Harrington in the last year especially.
As for not commenting on the others, that's not entirely true. It all comes down to that feeling of being invested in someone. I'll usually comment on the players who I have bets on as well as those challenging. As an Irishman I will always be drawn to comment on Harrington because I want to see him doing well but all these brain freezes are stretching my patience with him. I'm not alone in this btw.


Wut? Did I ever claim it did? You are the one who brought up that frankly ridiculous point.

Fwiw Martin I think you surmise your opinions quite well on Golf. I just wish you wouldn't get your back up so much when posters have a go at Harrington for his mess ups.

The reason I "get my back up" with you in particular is the sarcastic nature of your postings regarding Harrington. He obviously played poorly yesterday and anyone who wants to comment on that could hardly suggest otherwise. The point is not that you comment if he has played poorly but that you appear to be happy if that is the case.

Regarding your number of posts, I'm hardly going to sit here and read over 6,000 posts. In the last few weeks alone, Harrington was 2nd in Ireland, top 10 at Firestone and played well for the first three rounds last week. I didn't see too many positive posts during that time.

My comment about you considering yourself an authority was in response to you pointing out that I am new around here and struggling to get up to speed. In fairness, that is pretty patronising.

Martin567

kingshankly wrote: »

harringtons inclusion at the expense of Casey is shocking. hasn't played any decent golf for two years, last 2 Ryder cups has been poor, has been hitting the ball sideways for a while now and is showing no signs if improvement, and he is picked because he has three majors, might aswell have picked faldo while your at it. then you have Casey who is playing consistently well was runner up in the world matchplay where he was outstanding and only for an injury this year might have made the team automatically
if Casey was irish and harri English there would be a lot more discontent on here.

This is almost a parody of the views put forward by Ross McFarlane & Rob Lee on Sky. It is also so at odds with the facts concerning the relative form of Harrington & Casey over the last two years and more recently, that it is difficult to know if you are serious in your views.

Decent arguments could be made for and against both players. There would have been little to choose between them and that is where I think Harrington's major wins ultimately made the difference.

soundsham

I logged on to check out the deutsche bank golf........

hawkelady

martin, are you blind to the fact that ph is pure crap at the minute,and by the way he is playing he isnt going to get out of it anytime soon..you can go on with your stats and all that,but the fact of the matter is that he has weekends off so often now his kids are getting sick of him being around the house. the way caroline told himself and flood that he made the team,in front of casey,says alot about the tact they have.. he is the only one in the european ryder cup team that is "bricking it",surely he knows himself that he cant hit a ball out of his way at the minute. and he will have to answer all his critics with points in the bag, and because he couldnt get points in the bag when he was on form in previous ryder cups ,it doesnt look good for him,does it.

hawkelady

because ph has 3 majors justifies his inclusion in the team,i take it that the yanks will be picking jack nicklaus and arnold palmer as their wild cards so.....

Aidric

Martin567 wrote: »

The point is not that you comment if he has played poorly but that you appear to be happy if that is the case.

Yes, I went out and got a bottle of bollinger after that second double bogey. :rolleyes:

Martin567 wrote: »

Regarding your number of posts, I'm hardly going to sit here and read over 6,000 posts.

Yes, because my 6k odd posts have all been bashing Harrington. Ppplease. Like I said I have given him credit where it is due in the past. You can overlook that all you want but it's a fact.

Aidric

hawkelady wrote: »

because ph has 3 majors justifies his inclusion in the team,i take it that the yanks will be picking jack nicklaus and arnold palmer as their wild cards so.....

I am against this criteria being cited as justification also. He hit a real purple patch winning those 3 majors. His form since then hasn't been a patch on that period. He just doesn't seem capable of closing the deal and imo has developed a mental block.
The Americans respect him, sure, but I don't think they fear him any longer.

fullstop

kingshankly wrote: »

harringtons inclusion at the expense of Casey is shocking. hasn't played any decent golf for two years, last 2 Ryder cups has been poor, has been hitting the ball sideways for a while now and is showing no signs if improvement, and he is picked because he has three majors, might aswell have picked faldo while your at it. then you have Casey who is playing consistently well was runner up in the world matchplay where he was outstanding and only for an injury this year might have made the team automatically
if Casey was irish and harri English there would be a lot more discontent on here.

This is a joke, right?

Martin567

hawkelady wrote: »

because ph has 3 majors justifies his inclusion in the team,i take it that the yanks will be picking jack nicklaus and arnold palmer as their wild cards so.....

Last post from me on this because it's gone beyond boring but the above is truly ridiculous and brings any debate to an infantile level. He hasn't been picked just because he has won three majors. We all know his form is not what it was when he won the majors. However, all the ranking tables and any check of the form show there was nothing to choose between Harrington, Casey, Donald & Rose. It was in trying to separate these players that other factors like the major wins would have come into play.

If Padraig's form for the last year had been like Sergio Garcia's for example, he could have had ten majors and it would have made no difference.

scrubber72

anyone seen rorys start on shot tracker wtf?
sorry its been fixed. looked like he hit it 30 yards from middle of fairway to erm middle of fairway