Charge more to ATMs usage to prevent tiger kidnapping????

ToxicPaddy

Ok, so yet another family is the target of a tiger kidnapping, not a nice situation for any family to be in.. being threatened with violence or death unless a member of the family, who is an employee of a bank, uses their access to the bank to get a large sum of cash for the kidnappers, in this case €300k..

Everyone released unharmed, thank god, and now the investigation begins..

Meanwhile this ******* (i'll leave at * instead of being banned for calling him what I actually think he deserves to be called) Dermot Ahearn, believes that now we should be charged more for using ATMs as it will mean less cash in the machines.. so less chance of tiger kidnappings?????

So if more banks are going cashless, where the hell are we supposed to get our money from you idiot??? :mad::rolleyes:

Or is this another little idea for the banks to cripple us with even more charges and for an ever worsening service?

What planet is this guy living on???

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Canis Lupus

Someone kidnapped a tiger? That's very brave if you ask me.

ToxicPaddy

Its been done before, they keep catching em at the airport, so now they just kidnap them from people who have them here already..

Real-tiger-cub-found-among-stuffed-toys-in-luggage-at-Bangkok-airport

Solair

How about dropping the ridiculous taxes levied on debut and credit cards rather than taxing cash transactions.

Also since the state basically owns the banks they could easily ask them to develop a more sensible and technologically advanced alternative to laser cards.eg visa debit and pay wave contactless cards for small high volume payments.

This sounds like another crude revenue generating measure.

They seem to be solving everything with a tax.

RMD

Last time I checked, my ATM limit was 700€, not 300k.

How the **** will increasing fees stop tiger kidnappings when I can only give them 700€ from an atm, 700€ isn't even worth their while.

One thing I really hate about Irish politicians is how much they attempt to bullshít us, ffs can you not just tell us "Yes we're ****ed and looking at further ways of increasing revenue" rather than trying to bullshít us like ignorant kids.

Micky Dolenz

Solair wrote: »

They seem to be solving everything with a tax.

How convenient of them.

Manic Moran

I had to read the news article twice to be sure that the Minister was proposing what I thought he was proposing.

There is a certain logic to what he proposes, but why not take it a stage further and just abandon currency?

NTM

Micky Dolenz

Manic Moran wrote: »

I had to read the news article twice to be sure that the Minister was proposing what I thought he was proposing.

There is a certain logic to what he proposes, but why not take it a stage further and just abandon currency?

NTM

well considering the country has no money, that's not a bad idea.

Jenroche

Solair wrote: »

How about dropping the ridiculous taxes levied on debut and credit cards rather than taxing cash transactions.

Also since the state basically owns the banks they could easily ask them to develop a more sensible and technologically advanced alternative to laser cards.eg visa debit and pay wave contactless cards for small high volume payments.

This sounds like another crude revenue generating measure.

They seem to be solving everything with a tax.

It seems to be all they know how to do. This isn't going to stop a group of thugs holding some bank official's family to ransom. It's just another excuse to bleed us dry. :mad:

Jen ;->

ToxicPaddy

Manic Moran wrote: »

I had to read the news article twice to be sure that the Minister was proposing what I thought he was proposing.

Me too. I read it a few times to make sure I was reading and understanding it correctly, it was 7am when I started reading it afterall..

Terrontress

By charging us three separate stamp duties for debit, credit and ATM cards, it is the government who is preventing us from becoming a cash free society. It also prevents competition in the credit card market.

monkeypants

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Or is this another little idea for the banks to cripple us with even more charges and for an ever worsening service?

That's exactly what it is. The banks need money and will pretty much do anything to get it.

To be fair to RTE, Ahern gave this little tidbit yesterday and their analyst (can't remember who it was) fairly demolished it straight away. Said that he couldn't understand how it would help as the majority of cash kept in branches is not for consumers but rather for business use.

Aside from that, it sounds like a surrender from the Minister for Justice. He should be coming out with a strong line about preventing this type of crime and catching the people to did it. Although it did say that the Gardai weren't informed for 14 hours.

Dravokivich

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Meanwhile this ******* (i'll leave at * instead of being banned for calling him what I actually think he deserves to be called) Dermot Ahearn, believes that now we should be charged more for using ATMs as it will mean less cash in the machines.. so less chance of tiger kidnappings?????

It's enough as is... otherwise then how in the hell am I meant to get my money? Banks are only open Monday - Friday...

The closest TSB to my job will take longer then my lunch break to get to... withdraw... and then get back to work...

monkeypants

Could easily be a charge that could backfire on the banks. Would people keep their money out of banks if there was a charge to access it?

bonerm

It would be rude to call Dermot Ahern the biggest cúnt in Ireland. So I won't.

The flow of cash is what stimulates an economy and then we have governments taxing us for the use of said currency. Doesn't make much sense.

Kasabian

Another tax. Jesus I can't wait to get out of this country. It seems that everyday I come into work to be told that the hard-earned wage I get will be wittled away a little more by idiots and their sneaky ways of gathering money to fcuk down the black hole that is the banks in this country.

Happy fcuking Friday.

Solair

Will he also charge extra if you commit acts of blasphemy when you receive your bank statement with these new taxes levied?
He seems very fond of rolling out unpopular, socially regressive measures.

monkeypants

Instead of doing something to stop bank robbers (difficult), he might bring in something to stop regular, law abiding folk withdrawing their money in the normal way (easy).

You don't have to be a **** to be the Minister for Justice, but it helps.

Micky Dolenz

And the saddest part is, if they bring it in, we'll take it and not do a thing about it.

c_man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqK97av7I3s

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sorry, but all I can think of right now is the Mike Tyson subplot in Hangover!

Gary4279

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Someone kidnapped a tiger? That's very brave if you ask me.

Kidnapping Mike Tyson's Tiger is even braver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbnXqhHJkk&feature=related

eightyfish

RMD wrote: »

How the **** will increasing fees stop tiger kidnappings when I can only give them 700€ from an atm, 700€ isn't even worth their while.

It's not to protect you with your €700 limit. The idea is to discourage frequent ATM use all round, so the ATMs have to hold less money, so the incentive for kidnapping bank managers to get them to open ATMs is reduced.

I don't think it's a workable idea, TBH. There has to be a better solution.

Jenroche

eightyfish wrote: »

It's not to protect you with your €700 limit. The idea is to discourage frequent ATM use all round, so the ATMs have to hold less money, so the incentive for kidnapping bank managers to get them to open ATMs is reduced.

I don't think it's a workable idea, TBH. There has to be a better solution.

ATM's aside though, wouldn't there still be money in the banks? They'll just go to the safe or wherever that money's kept instead won't they? The whole ATM thing is just a bull**** excuse if you ask me.

Jen ;->

bonerm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

And the saddest part is, if they bring it in, we'll take it and not do a thing about it.

What can we do? (serious question). And please don't say "take to the street and protest" or "vote them out at the next election" because either clearly don't work.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eightyfish wrote: »

It's not to protect you with your €700 limit. The idea is to discourage frequent ATM use all round, so the ATMs have to hold less money, so the incentive for kidnapping bank managers to get them to open ATMs is reduced.

I don't think it's a workable idea, TBH. There has to be a better solution.

.... thus encouraging people to have more cash on them when in person, especailly having just left an ATM...?

pickarooney

No matter how many times I read this, I can find absolutely no causal link whatsoever between tiger kidnappings and ATM charges. This sounds like something a person with serious mental health issues might say.

eightyfish

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

.... thus encouraging people to have more cash on them when in person, especailly having just left an ATM...?

Exactly. So it's an odd idea, to say the least.

Fratton Fred

I think Fianna fail has already done enough to reduce the amount of money in circulation.

I wonder how Bertie is viewing this statement, I understand he is no stranger to the odd suitcase full of cash, in varying currencies.

eightyfish

pickarooney wrote: »

No matter how many times I read this, I can find absolutely no causal link whatsoever between tiger kidnappings and ATM charges.

But there is a link between tiger kidnappings and the amount of money that is stored in a bank branch - most of which may be in the ATM. So if you reduce the use of ATMs, you reduce the amount of money that has to be held in them. That's the idea, anyway.

crapmanjoe

He has a point though - as a nation we are obsessed with physically holding cash

Go over to the contintent or oz or america and everybody pays for everything via EFTPOS (laser)

But bringing this up after a tiger kidnapping just seems stupid, its obviously this has been discussed in detail and Ahern thought it was a good as any time to let it slip and gauge the reaction