MSISS???

luigii

So MSISS sat the programming supp today. How many of you guys think you'll be about in second year?

C.D.

sternn wrote: »

I like it, in typical MSISS fashion!

Ha oh dear! Solver will be your best friend

bola

What kind of jobs specifically do MSISS grads get into?. Can they easily find jobs around the world? + What's the average salary of a graduate with an MSISS degree.

It would probably be unseen for one to compare an MSISS degree with an Actuarial science degree but I'm stuck between the 2. Which is the best option? apart from the monetary side of things

Groinshot

bola wrote: »

What kind of jobs specifically do MSISS grads get into?. Can they easily find jobs around the world? + What's the average salary of a graduate with an MSISS degree.

It would probably be unseen for one to compare an MSISS degree with an Actuarial science degree but I'm stuck between the 2. Which is the best option? apart from the monetary side of things

http://www.tcd.ie/Statistics/students/studentsmsiss.shtml

Google is your friend.

bola

Thanks Groinshot(Very creative:D). I have looked over and over again at this website. It's got quite a bit of information but it has not been updated since 2007 and times have changed since then which is the reason i question it's accuracy. I have read up on managaement consultants in the States who seem to really enjoy the job. They seem to either have an MBA or a Business related degree, something which i think MSISS provides and possibly even more. The question is would having this degree enable one to setup a career as a Management consultant with a firm or would one end up working in one office jobs like the guys listed at the TCD MSISS website. Like i said the site hasn't been updated since 2007 so it's hard to determine would one be able to work as a Management consultant with an MSISS degree.

bola

read back over the site again. just confirmed one could be a management consultant with the degree although none of the previous students that are profiled on the site work as one. Thanks again Groin

DevL

MSISS graduates are very strong candidates for management consulting and technology consulting. The degree has a focus on stats, IS and computer science as well as general business concepts. This mix of skills has proven to be desirable to employers for a variety of rolls, especially mgmt & tech consultancy and as such the course and society has benefited from ties with employers such as Accenture and Deloitte in recent years. You might ask yourself if you think consultancy positions will be available when you anticipate you might graduate from MSISS.

bola

Thanks DevL. What do you think would influence the decline in the number of management consultancy jobs?. In my opinion as long as companies continue to exist and startup's continue 2 try to match up with the larger companies, management consultancy might still be a huge job industry. But in yourr opinion, why would the jobs in this industry reduce?

DevL

Bola, I wouldn't say the jobs in the industry are definitely going to decline over the next 4-5 years but the job market is very uncertain at the moment. I have heard instances of companies deferring or reducing numbers of consultancy grads in recent times. Whilst this will probably bounce back over the next few years, it is something I would be aware of when choosing a degree. Your other mentioned option (A&F), affords you exemptions for the actuarial exams which are a great stepping stone to becoming an actuary.

bola

Thanks 4 d post DevL. You are probably right. It would possibly be quite easy and a lot more secure jobwise to go with the A & F option. it also seems that switching to management consultancy from it might be easier. What drew me to the MSISS @ trinity initally were the Computer Science and project works undertaken but maybe the A&F is the most suitable. I would continue to give it some thought. Thanks again

higgz

Sorry to bring up an old thread.

I'm a LC student and I'm thinking of putting MSISS as no.1 on a change of mind before the CAO deadline at the end of the month.

I know a lot about the course already but I was just wondering if there was anyone out there who has just finished their first year and who did their first exams there over the last few weeks?

Just wanting to know how you got on and what your impressions are after your first year.

I also want to know what the drop-out rate was for the year and was anyone successful in changing courses, like a move to BESS.

Also how's the gender balance holding up?

Call Me Lia

higgz wrote: »

Sorry to bring up an old thread.

I'm a LC student and I'm thinking of putting MSISS as no.1 on a change of mind before the CAO deadline at the end of the month.
I know a lot about the course already but I was just wondering if there was anyone out there who has just finished their first year and who did their first exams there over the last few weeks?
Just wanting to know how you got on and what your impressions are after your first year. I also want to know what the drop-out rate was for the year and was anyone successful in changing courses, like a move to BESS.
Also how's the gender balance holding up?

looks like I'm not the only one checking out old threads ! After having researched my cao through boards for next year during the past few months, I finally made an account for this. I've seen some of your comments higgs and I agree with everything you say in relation to courses and jobs, so I'm curious as to what you put down as your number one already, if you don't mind me asking... I'm considering this course aswell, though I'm only starting 6th year in September. Good luck with your leaving cert! And when you get in, you have to tell the rest of us how it's going

higgz

Call Me Lia wrote: »

looks like I'm not the only one checking out old threads ! After having researched my cao through boards for next year during the past few months, I finally made an account for this. I've seen some of your comments higgs and I agree with everything you say in relation to courses and jobs, so I'm curious as to what you put down as your number one already, if you don't mind me asking... I'm considering this course aswell, though I'm only starting 6th year in September. Good luck with your leaving cert! And when you get in, you have to tell the rest of us how it's going

I have BESS down as no.1 now. Economics and Politics would be big interests of mine plus I get to keep up French.

But coming out of a course of 200+ probably means getting a job could be difficult.

MSISS also studies Economics during the course with the other classes focussed on business, maths, statistics and computer science. Way more employable in this day and age. I can always study French in the evenings.

I'm also quite interested in these subject areas so I'll probably put MSISS as my no.1 before the end of the month.

Call Me Lia

higgz wrote: »

I have BESS down as no.1 now. Economics and Politics would be big interests of mine plus I get to keep up French.

But coming out of a course of 200+ probably means getting a job could be difficult.

MSISS also studies Economics during the course with the other classes focussed on business, maths, statistics and computer science. Way more employable in this day and age. I can always study French in the evenings.

I'm also quite interested in these subject areas so I'll probably put MSISS as my no.1 before the end of the month.

Ya, I think msiss offers more career options really for when you finish the course. Also I'd say you could get in investment banking with it as well. I don't think it's the amount of people doing bess that is it's weakness. In my opinion(and i'm open for correction here) it's the course content. Not enough maths, or computer science modules which are vital for a lot of employment nowadays. Bess is more artsy in my opinion, while msiss is more mathsy :L . Do you have economics and finance in
ucd down somewhere? that also sounds great . I think I'll put maths and econmics in trinity as well. I'm hoping to become a trader or investment banker. There's potential to earn sooo much money there I think. Anyway tell me how you get on

higgz

Call Me Lia wrote: »

Ya, I think msiss offers more career options really for when you finish the course. Also I'd say you could get in investment banking with it as well. I don't think it's the amount of people doing bess that is it's weakness. In my opinion(and i'm open for correction here) it's the course content. Not enough maths, or computer science modules which are vital for a lot of employment nowadays. Bess is more artsy in my opinion, while msiss is more mathsy :L . Do you have economics and finance in
ucd down somewhere? that also sounds great . I think I'll put maths and econmics in trinity as well. I'm hoping to become a trader or investment banker. There's potential to earn sooo much money there I think. Anyway tell me how you get on

BESS has a mathsy side if you take certain modules in the later years but even then it's nothing compared to other courses. One of the reasons I've moved away from BESS is that the Maths module in 1st year includes those who got even a C3 in OL maths. Since I do HL it'd be better to do MSISS where I can keep my maths skills on the up.

It's amazing how important maths skills are now for getting certain jobs. As you've mentioned investment banking, it's one career where they'll take a MSISS graduate over a BESS graduate any day!

I'd have to take 2 busses to get to UCD, it's not anywhere on my CAO

Economics and Maths would be great but doing PURE maths is supposed to be HELL. Now, that's the impression I get. I'm more of an average HL maths student so I'll be doing MSISS since it's not very heavy on the maths side.

Pure Maths requires B3 or higher, MSISS C3 or higher.

+1 on being a trader or investment banker, I've been exploring that too. MSISS is certainly a step towards it, especially with the computer skills you learn.

Mancho

higgz wrote: »

Sorry to bring up an old thread.

I'm a LC student and I'm thinking of putting MSISS as no.1 on a change of mind before the CAO deadline at the end of the month.

I know a lot about the course already but I was just wondering if there was anyone out there who has just finished their first year and who did their first exams there over the last few weeks?

Just wanting to know how you got on and what your impressions are after your first year.

I also want to know what the drop-out rate was for the year and was anyone successful in changing courses, like a move to BESS.

Also how's the gender balance holding up?

Just finished first first year myself so I'l try answer a few of your questions for ya.

Overall I am really happy I'm doing this course . It's not always the most exciting but it's interesting to get a variety of different modules eg: maths with the engineers, business and economics with bess, programing with computer science. Parts I enjoyed the most were probably business and programing. An interest in maths and business would help.

Drop out rate... I actually don't know anyone who has dropped out. There are a good few people who don't show up to alot of lectures but I think everyone showed up for the exams. Just about the exams... not easy. Programing is the problem for most people. More than half have failed this year. There are repeats in august do. If you are gonna work from day 1 on anything it's this. You can't cram for it!! But with everything, if you put in the work in you should be fine.

I remember a guy transferred to bess within the first month. I'm pretty sure as long as you have enough points and ask for the transfer before a certain date theres no problem transfering.

There are easily more guys then girls. I'd say about in or around 1/3 girls.

Finally the best thing about the course are the people. Everyone is really sound. I remember back to last September being so nervous but everyone was really friendly and I have made some great friends!
Theres also an international mystery tour, pub crawls and other stuff thats great craic:).

Well I hope some of that helps. Any other questions feel free to ask.
Goodluck in the rest of your exams anyway!!

higgz

Mancho wrote: »

Just finished first first year myself so I'l try answer a few of your questions for ya.

Overall I am really happy I'm doing this course . It's not always the most exciting but it's interesting to get a variety of different modules eg: maths with the engineers, business and economics with bess, programing with computer science. Parts I enjoyed the most were probably business and programing. An interest in maths and business would help.

Drop out rate... I actually don't know anyone who has dropped out. There are a good few people who don't show up to alot of lectures but I think everyone showed up for the exams. Just about the exams... not easy. Programing is the problem for most people. More than half have failed this year. There are repeats in august do. If you are gonna work from day 1 on anything it's this. You can't cram for it!! But with everything, if you put in the work in you should be fine.

I remember a guy transferred to bess within the first month. I'm pretty sure as long as you have enough points and ask for the transfer before a certain date theres no problem transfering.

There are easily more guys then girls. I'd say about in or around 1/3 girls.

Finally the best thing about the course are the people. Everyone is really sound. I remember back to last September being so nervous but everyone was really friendly and I have made some great friends!
Theres also an international mystery tour, pub crawls and other stuff thats great craic:).

Well I hope some of that helps. Any other questions feel free to ask.
Goodluck in the rest of your exams anyway!!

I've heard about badly attended lectures. Sure if I just attend everything I should be fine. Thanks for the reply.

shadowmoses

Transfers to BESS are very easy for the first year/ year and a half. Dunno who Mancho is but he's right, the International Mystery Tour is the key! I just finished 3rd year. Workload gets pretty intense in 3rd year, I don't really know any of my friends who had as much work as I had from November - April. There were many all night sessions that were just necessary to pull things together towards the end of the project. 20 of us watched Rory McIlroys incredible collapse in the LG12 computer room at about half four in the morning in April. We were rewarded at the end of the year though when we only had 5 exams and some other courses had 9-11

As for whoever was asking about Inv Banking, LDev finished MSISS and year ago and did a masters in finance, he's now going to JPMorgan (i think..) to be an investment bank analyst (just made up that position, it's something like that though). The course provides plenty of opportunity to move somewhere into that industry. There are module choices in 3rd and 4th year that could help you decide whether that's for you.

As for year one and two, you can bumble through them via repeats and things no bother, the broadness of the course in the early years does make it difficult to cover everything though since things don't overlap. But it's defo doable on the first go if you're into it.

In my year there are about 9 girls would of 30. All dazzling.

higgz

Got accepted in to MSISS today, can't wait to start.

I have to say I'm surprised at the points again this year. The decline has stopped but it only rose by 5 to 385. It could drop even further in the second round. Compare that to other Tech courses like Business and Computing and Computer Science which saw huge increases in Trinity. No one really seems to know about MSISS. Their loss I guess

ED E

B&C dont require HL maths which is taking a hit in 2nd level so its drawing from a growing pool while that for CS and MSISS is shrinking.

I'd agree though that its a relatively unknown course while most of the big universities have a CS degree.

Enjoy it.

Tragedy

Only seeing this now!

higgz wrote: »

BESS has a mathsy side if you take certain modules in the later years but even then it's nothing compared to other courses.

BESS students in JF do:
Intro to Econ
Maths & Stats

TSM Economics students do:
Intro to Econ
Maths & Stats
Intro to Economic Policy

MSISS students do:
Stats(same content as BESS/Econ)
Engineering Mathematics 1/2 (described as "designed for students not taking mathematics as a major part of their studies" on the Mathematics course directory - having looked at past papers they seem mostly similar to the Maths covered in BESS, but at a lower level).

In SF, BESS students choosing Economics do Maths & Stats, MSISS students do three 5 point Stats modules and two 5 point Maths modules.

In JS, BESS students do Mathematical Economics and Econometrics, MSISS students do one Stats module (with 2 more optional, and an optional Engineering Maths module).

In SS, BESS students do Quants while MSISS' only option is the same optional Engineering Maths module as offered in JS.

One of the reasons I've moved away from BESS is that the Maths module in 1st year includes those who got even a C3 in OL maths. Since I do HL it'd be better to do MSISS where I can keep my maths skills on the up.

Except MSISS doesn't offer any more challenging Maths than BESS does. Speaking as someone who got a C3 in OL Maths, I got firsts in Maths & Stats, Intro to Economics and Organisation & Management in JF. I'd love to hear back from you in a year to see if you achieve better

It's amazing how important maths skills are now for getting certain jobs. As you've mentioned investment banking, it's one career where they'll take a MSISS graduate over a BESS graduate any day!

Economics students in BESS take more Financial & Economics modules than MSISS, I'd like to know where you gleaned the information that investment banking take MSISS graduates over BESS graduates 'any day'. BESS students are introduced to quants, which is a big plus when it comes to almost any career in Investment Banking.

If your end goal is IB, I suggest you take a good read here so you know what you should be working towards.

+1 on being a trader or investment banker, I've been exploring that too. MSISS is certainly a step towards it, especially with the computer skills you learn.

A trader is an investment banker. What gave you the idea that third level 'computer skills' were beneficial?

higgz

Probably got carried away with mylsef on that post

I haven't been to any of the courses yet, just made presumptions.

shadowmoses

The idea that engineering maths is a lower level of maths and stats is laughable. My friend does econ and did maths and stats and I regularly helped her out in first year with the course, it's more like a lighter version of msiss first year statistics. Engineering maths is entirely linear algebra and calculus in first year and second year. The exams are always very easy though since they mirror the tutorial questions given during the year. If you attend the tutorials you and work at them at the end of the year you should coast through it.

Groinshot

shadowmoses wrote: »

The idea that engineering maths is a lower level of maths and stats is laughable. My friend does econ and did maths and stats and I regularly helped her out in first year with the course, it's more like a lighter version of msiss first year statistics. Engineering maths is entirely linear algebra and calculus in first year and second year. The exams are always very easy though since they mirror the tutorial questions given during the year. If you attend the tutorials you and work at them at the end of the year you should coast through it.

My friend did PPES last year, I'm second year engineering and I helped him out with maths and stats too...

shadowmoses

Also, @Higgs, congrats and see you at the start of year pub crawl! Don't forget to sign up to DUMSS on freshers week as this is essentially where the banter is had

Tragedy

shadowmoses wrote: »

The idea that engineering maths is a lower level of maths and stats is laughable. My friend does econ and did maths and stats and I regularly helped her out in first year with the course, it's more like a lighter version of msiss first year statistics. Engineering maths is entirely linear algebra and calculus in first year and second year. The exams are always very easy though since they mirror the tutorial questions given during the year. If you attend the tutorials you and work at them at the end of the year you should coast through it.

I can only go on the exam papers on the website, which is what I said in my post. Judging the two exam papers together, the MSISS exam is a little bit easier but I suspect any TSM/pure Maths student would laugh at both.