call of duty and airsoft!!!

cathal_flynn

i have been playing airsoft for jus over a year ... and love it off course

but one thing that really pisses me off is when people start going on about c.o.d while playing airsoft....like its a video game... get over it

idk something just really annoys me about it lol

what are your opions?

im open mined and wont get angry if u are one of them c.o.d people lol

it jus annoys me

:pac:

swiftblade

A little bit i suppose. But you have to remember that game is in turn supporting the growth of the sport. The only time it really botheres me is when someone says "Aaawww yea look its that gun from call of dudddyyy!"

But meh, everyone to their own and all that.

cathal_flynn

swiftblade wrote: »

A litlle bit i suppose. But you have to remember that game is in turn support the growth of the sport. The only time it really botheres me is when someone says "Aaawww yea look its that gun from call of dudddyyy!"

But meh, everyone to their own and all that.

yeah i know... ur right it has helped the sport grow



.... but still annoys me (as u said) wen some ones like look at this call of duty blahahahahahahaha..........so on :P

Inari

During game play, I can see why it would be annoying, as if it is common ground then it is likely that it will dominate conversation.

However, it's not something that greatly bothers me. I used to play CSS and would be guilty of talking shop to someone, and have been known to harp on about any other shared interests...so I'm just as guilty, just in other fields of interest.

mle1324

If people arent going to be talking about COD they'll be talking about something some other computer game ! :rolleyes:

swiftblade

The funny thing is it was CSS that got me into airsoft. So im just aa guilty as the COD fans.

Thats Counter Strike: Source for all you young ones

cathal_flynn

f*uck computer games lol

i hate them!!!!

i traded my xbox for a thopson (im glad its gone)

i seen ppl waste there lives playing video games

so that really turned me off xbox and ps3

Killinator

Call Of Duty is a game where you run around shooting stuff, I can't think why it should come up at all...........

wait......




no, cant see the link:rolleyes: /sarcasm

Whats wrong with people saying "oh, the gun from COD" or "I really like that gun in COD"
Its very likely they havent used the real one and they're just relating to the closest experience they have,
Personally, I bought a SR-25 just becasue of Rainbow Six: Vegas 2.

As for wasting lives on games, the same could be said for anything, not least airsoft!!!

swiftblade

cathal_flynn wrote: »

f*uck computer games lol

i hate them!!!!

i traded my xbox for a thopson (im glad its gone)

i seen ppl waste there lives playing video games

so that really turned me off xbox and ps3

Ahh but see this so called XBox isn't a real computer game. Back in my day..blah blah

Yea i was one of those people that wasted their lives away playing games

Instead of sore legs from running around a field all day you had sore eyes from looking at a screen all day. Ahh how times have changed :rolleyes:

mle1324

cathal_flynn wrote: »

f*uck computer games lol

i hate them!!!!

i traded my xbox for a thopson (im glad its gone)

i seen ppl waste there lives playing video games

so that really turned me off xbox and ps3

I don't literally mean PC games.

cathal_flynn

mle1324 wrote: »

I don't literally mean PC games.

lol well u get me ... i dont like xbox and ps3

but im guility of playing abit of runescape

acc havnt played runescape in a few months though lol :P

Inari

I've seen people waste lives on games - but I've also seen people make their lives from playing games. There are always opposites and exceptions.

Anybody talking to other people about something you A) have no interest in or Know nothing about, is quite likely to annoy the bejesus out of you. No matter what the subject matter, if it meets the above criteria.

Being honest, if you want to change conversation then be proactive. When you hear them mention call of duty, why not strike up more Airsoft-related conversation, or ask them questions and get to know the people. Or if you're already friendly, then ask them if they'd mind changing the conversation. People can be quite understanding...as long as you're not a complete ass

damagegt

You cant give out about people for playing games and bringing it into airsoft.It comes hand in hand.I have an over all interest in anything military as I'm sure alot of people have.Games,film,photography and others, there all types of media and we all take aspetcs of these with us into airsoft.Many people base there whole loadouts on games and I for one think this makes the sport what it is,an exciting,open minded military related simulation.

Spooky-Vinny

Didn't read most of the replies so i hope this hasn't been covered yet but:

I hate when people say "OMG you modern warefare poser!" or "wanabe" or whatever it is they say lol!

but sinse MW2 has come out, everyone seems to be buying ACRs and Skull masks!

I'm a fan of the ACR and skull mask but i'd hate for people to call me a "modern warefare poser"

i'v liked the ACR and skull mask waaaaaaaaaaaaay before MW ONE even came out!
skull mask from the CIA night operations!

now i'm scared to get either -sob-

-SpOoKy xXx

Leftyflip

Best one I've ever gotten was when some kid at HRTA goes to me
"That's the M4 cqb yada yada yada from COD!"
Me: "Errr, what?"
"You know the M4 in COD!"
Me: "Right, I've never played COD..."
"You have to have played COD, you have the assault rifle from it and a 1911!"
(Lefty had a USP compact in the holster, and a big-ass M4, which nothing is CQB about!)
Cue Lefty walking off and wondering how 1911s and USPs look similar.

Ah COD players, please don't stop entertaining me.

damagegt

Leftyflip wrote: »

Best one I've ever gotten was when some kid at HRTA goes to me
"That's the M4 cqb yada yada yada from COD!"
Me: "Errr, what?"
"You know the M4 in COD!"
Me: "Right, I've never played COD..."
"You have to have played COD, you have the assault rifle from it and a 1911!"
(Lefty had a USP compact in the holster, and a big-ass M4, which nothing is CQB about!)
Cue Lefty walking off and wondering how 1911s and USPs look similar.

Ah COD players, please don't stop entertaining me.

This is self explanatory.Should you not have at least appreciated hes interest in your load out and explained hes "ignorance" in not knowing what you were carrying?

J.D.R

i have been playing airsoft for jus over a year ... and love it off course

but one thing that really pisses me off is when people start going on about c.o.d while playing airsoft....like its a video game... get over it

idk something just really annoys me about it lol

what are your opions?

im open mined and wont get angry if u are one of them c.o.d people lol

it jus annoys me

1 ting I h8 is ppl usin txt sp3k cos its rely hrd 2 read, and its against eh forum rules;)

Otherwise, I don't mind people talking about common interests. Once they don't talk about it in game play, I couldn't care less. The only thing that does kind of get on my nerves is people who think since they have played COD non stop since it came out they will automatically be brilliant at it.

They seem to think that just cause they can get a running headshot at 2 miles on a computer, that means they can do the same thing in Airsoft. Or people who think they have the Juggernaut perk, and keep playing even as BB's bounce off them:rolleyes:

bigben121

Leftyflip wrote: »

Best one I've ever gotten was when some kid at HRTA goes to me
"That's the M4 cqb yada yada yada from COD!"
Me: "Errr, what?"
"You know the M4 in COD!"
Me: "Right, I've never played COD..."
"You have to have played COD, you have the assault rifle from it and a 1911!"
(Lefty had a USP compact in the holster, and a big-ass M4, which nothing is CQB about!)
Cue Lefty walking off and wondering how 1911s and USPs look similar.

Ah COD players, please don't stop entertaining me.

i play cod, but before i was in cod or airsoft i always new stuff about guns

jeawan

i once had a chat with a lad complaining i had just ruined his Kill Death Ratio for killing him twice , never knew Airsoft has a Stats website must try to find it one day.

Firekitten

If you dont think its got stats, you've not been around the competition fetish in ireland... :rolleyes:

MUST WIN MUST WIN PWN NOOBZ OMG U CHEATED!!!!!!!!! HAX! :rolleyes:



Tbh, it has helped airsoft grow with the young in Ireland, but its been going long before Halflife came out in most of the world. Its a funny crossover, a lot of 'coddiesofters' tend to take headshots, moan a lot, and generally behave like they have ADD and Multiple personality disorder. Ants in thier many pants. They tend to annoy me mostly.. not players of the game... do not misunderstand me, but 'coddiesofters'


The special breed of airsofter that thinks this fine sport is 'cod' with 'better graphics' 'wetter' and 'moar noobz' The elitist atttiude, general bad manners and sportsmanship annoy the hell out of me, along with the headshot mantra that seems to follow them.

jeawan

Firekitten wrote: »

If you dont think its got stats, you've not been around the competition fetish in ireland... :rolleyes:

MUST WIN MUST WIN PWN NOOBZ OMG U CHEATED!!!!!!!!! HAX! :rolleyes:



Tbh, it has helped airsoft grow with the young in Ireland, but its been going long before Halflife came out in most of the world. Its a funny crossover, a lot of 'coddiesofters' tend to take headshots, moan a lot, and generally behave like they have ADD and Multiple personality disorder. Ants in thier many pants. They tend to annoy me mostly.. not players of the game... do not misunderstand me, but 'coddiesofters'


The special breed of airsofter that thinks this fine sport is 'cod' with 'better graphics' 'wetter' and 'moar noobz' The elitist atttiude, general bad manners and sportsmanship annoy the hell out of me, along with the headshot mantra that seems to follow them.

Best thing i have seen i can only describe it as a Sniper running with a pistol and combat knife in COD4 i have seen this loads of times in Airsoft to later see the same guys getting hammered by someone with a FA weapon compared to a pistol at range.

I do play COD but that is as far as it goes comparing to it airsoft if i tried to do a dolphin Dive in airsoft id destroy my AEG and probably me self compared to the game

Firekitten

*rolls her eyes*

Yeah, bunny hopping, dolphin diving, and any other daft crap like that is most likely going to simply make people laugh at you than have any remote benefit.

Plus most airsofters cant his crap prone or standing

And I have NEVER seen a sniper in airsoft run with a pistol and knife... if i did, i'd simply burst out laughing at the fool. Anyway, if a sniper is in the open with just a pistol vs opfor with automatic rifles, he's his own undertaker. Should have planned better

Leftyflip

damagegt wrote: »

This is self explanatory.Should you not have at least appreciated hes interest in your load out and explained hes "ignorance" in not knowing what you were carrying?

I failed to mention the getting brapped at from all angles...
"Surrounded eh? Well that's more stuff for me to shoot!"

jeawan

Firekitten wrote: »

*rolls her eyes*

Yeah, bunny hopping, dolphin diving, and any other daft crap like that is most likely going to simply make people laugh at you than have any remote benefit.

Plus most airsofters cant his crap prone or standing

And I have NEVER seen a sniper in airsoft run with a pistol and knife... if i did, i'd simply burst out laughing at the fool. Anyway, if a sniper is in the open with just a pistol vs opfor with automatic rifles, he's his own undertaker. Should have planned better

I have seen it at least three time once the kid ran into two M249's and got hammered was quite entertaining baring he was on our team at the time.

thermo

I was in an airsoft retailers a couple of months back, A guy comes goes to the counter and says he is looking for an ACR, the guy from the shop says we don't have any at the moment as they are difficult to get, china shut down bla bla perhaps he could intrest the customer in some thing else? Customer says no has to be an acr, because they are easy to handle and are waaaay more accurate than any of the other crap! Retailer says have you used one much? Answer............ No, I'm only getting into airsoft but I use the ACR the whole time in COD.........
suddenly I had to inspect a gun on the wall rather closly!

jeawan

thermo wrote: »

I was in an airsoft retailers a couple of months back, A guy comes goes to the counter and says he is looking for an ACR, the guy from the shop says we don't have any at the moment as they are difficult to get, china shut down bla bla perhaps he could intrest the customer in some thing else? Customer says no has to be an acr, because they are easy to handle and are waaaay more accurate than any of the other crap! Retailer says have you used one much? Answer............ No, I'm only getting into airsoft but I use the ACR the whole time in COD.........
suddenly I had to inspect a gun on the wall rather closly!

I would just burst out laughing

thermo

jeawan wrote: »

I would just burst out laughing

I could feel the laughter coming, that's whyi had to walk away.

Stercus Accidit

kf7 soviet FTW!

AR33, pp7, d5k, dd44 dostovei, zmg 9mm, awesome stuff.

oeb

I dunno, leave em at it. They will learn after half a dozen skirmishes.

It brings more people into the sport and I would not be surprised if the demand created by a specific firearm appearing in a triple A title had an awful lot to do with manufacturers putting a rush on certain aegs, and a new AEG is always nice. (I say this as I am sitting here gently caressing my new F2000 )

I bet if a VSS was to appear in Black Ops or something that the high end manufacturers would be spitting them out by June.

TheDoc

Should be greatful that it is getting people into the game.

Granted the player coming straight from a game into airsoft might have the wrong idea about the game, atleast its getting new players and some growth, and its brining in a rather youthful population which is always a good thing, plenty of years ahead of them to learn the game properly.

I dont have a problem with players who talk a lot of cod or play like they are in it. Probably cause I'm a big gamer it doesn't bother me as much.

I could just as easily turn around and say how a certain loadout annoys me because its from some country that I think is **** or something, theres nothing necessarily wrong with them wanting to model their kit or style from first person shooters.

And sure anyway Call of duty is ****ing terrible, Battlefield BC2 and Arma II is where the real gaming is at.

422nd

It'd be like joining your local football club and hearing everyone on the team going on about them playing FIFA 20(whatever it's on now) on their xbox or playstation the night before...

Inari

422nd wrote: »

It'd be like joining your local football club and hearing everyone on the team going on about them playing FIFA 20(whatever it's on now) on their xbox or playstation the night before...

Or them talking about the football match the night before?

As I mentioned earlier - people will talk about common interest. It will only annoy you if you do not share that interest, if you know nothing about the subject, or if you have a strong work ethic.

Just get proactive and change the topic of conversation, and actually make the effort

NakedDex

A strong reason for it is simply because most new and/or young players exposure to that environment came from these games. Many of the older players have spent time in the PDF or RDF, and many more remember Quake as their first team shooter experience.

CoD is a popular game, and many of it's facets are shared with airsoft. You get guns, pretend to be someone else, complete missions and scenarios, probably get "killed" a few times, then go home for tea.

The only slightly bothering aspects of comparing them, is a new player's over-cockiness on the field (which, in most cases, drains away mercifully quickly) and the constant barrage of "I know what gun that is" or "I used that gun in...".
At Salute, some snotty random kid started taking the pïss with his mates, and shouted at me "Have you ever no-scoped anyone with that". Now I hadn't a notion what this meant, since I tend to have one of those things called "a life" these days, but I assume it's a multiplayer achievement of some sort.


For those who got into airsoft through computer games, welcome. Your fitness will thank you for putting down the controller and picking up some boots. For everyone's enjoyment, however, please just watch, listen and learn for the first few games out. It looks the same, but it's very different to what you expect.

swiftblade

Speaking of Salute. Was standing at the main arena area when they were showing off all the different weapons through the ages. A lot were blank firing which i thought was pretty cool.

Anyway to get to the point when two of the reinactors were firing M1 garands, two guys beside me said very loudly "he must be an idiot he can't even use that gun right!" The M1's were jaming frequently (like with most blank firers). Felt like giving those guys beside me a punch.

/ Rant

TerrorFirmer

That type of airsofter isn't just a 'Call of Duty player'. It being the best selling game of all time, makes it a probability that the majority of airsofters have or do play Call of Duty. But those mentioned are a minority even within the games own community, let alone the airsoft field. I suffer from game rage on a daily basis hearing little douches screaming about :

[*]noob guns
[*]noob tactics
[*]noob skill
[*]noob perks
[*]noob scope
[*]....and general imcomprehensible nonsense everytime they die

At least on my Xbox I can and do just mute them. I guess, not so easy on the airsoft field. But don't blame COD for these irritatible little dicks. If it wasn't Call of Duty, it'd be Battlefield, if it wasn't Battlefield, it would inevitably be something else. Call of Duty has just had a phenominal effect on just about everything military based conceivable; anything that appears in Call of Duty, suddenly becomes attributable to that game solely for a lot of people. Forget the fact that the 1911 was produced nearly a hundred years ago, it's 'the gun from Call of Duty!' and sadly always will be to a select few.

Personally....I used to hate the scar. In Call of Duty, it's the only gun I ever use, pretty much occupies every class, and I'm now the proud owner of a WE Co2 Scar - and that is attributable solely to Call of Duty.

VonLuck

Well I don't know about the rest of you but my interest in airsoft, guns etc. comes mainly from media. Whether it be films, tv series or games, they all have an influence on you.

How many of you watched a film and said "oh thats a such and such rifle. Looks impressive. Might check it out." It's the same with CoD. You see a weapon, you find it impressive, you talk about it. I don't see the harm in it.

Captain Chaos

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

kf7 soviet FTW!

AR33, pp7, d5k, dd44 dostovei, zmg 9mm, awesome stuff.

Loved the Phantom smgs on the frigate level and the dual RCP90s.

And who could forget the useless Klobs.:D

Lemming

TheDoc wrote: »

And sure anyway Call of duty is ****ing terrible, Battlefield BC2 and Arma II is where the real gaming is at.

Pfffft. n00b.

Everyone knows real gaming attained perfection on September 15, 2003


To quote FPS Doug; BOOOOM!!! HEADSHOT!

MagicIRL

I love when Im asked about my SCAR

"Oh is that the COD SCAR?"
"Well, its the SCAR-L, a slight variation, in that it shoots a smaller bullet and has a bigger mag cap. Basically the same gun though."

I gues it may just be me, I love being asked questions about my kit and I lvoe answering them. Makes me feel all important

swiftblade

MagicIRL wrote: »

I love when Im asked about my SCAR

"Oh is that the COD SCAR?"
"Well, its the SCAR-L, a slight variation, in that it shoots a smaller bullet and has a bigger mag cap. Basically the same gun though."

I gues it may just be me, I love being asked questions about my kit and I lvoe answering them. Makes me feel all important

Im the same. Except one day i got into an argument with someone. They were so sure there was no such thing as an ak 74 and what i had was an ak 47:rolleyes:

Also i got a young rental come up to me one day and told me loads of stuff about the AK 74. Round size, history,.... I was well impressed

NakedDex

Oh I have a list of horrible conversations regarding this sort of thing.

Some aren't too bad, just conversations with people who have seen things in games and realise they don't always translate to real life.
"Is there a gun called an "Intervention"?

Some are a bit drawn out, where you have to explain that the game isn't real and cannot be taken as a set of facts.
"The Intervention can blow up buildings".

Others are downright convinced that they are the walking encyclopedia of all weapon knowledge, and you should never dare argue with them.
"The Intervention is a .50cal! You don't know what you're talking about! There's no such thing as a, what was it you said? Lapua? You made that up."

And, of course, there are those who don't even know they've switched off the computer and are now engaging in real life.
"I've used an Intervention, I'm a damn good shot with it. I'm actually a brilliant sniper".



A nice acid test for how far out of reality these people are it to ask them what happens when you shoot a barrel.
If they tell you; "It explodes", they're lost to virtual reality.
If they say; "It depends on what's in it", then they show signs of intelligence and may yet get around to developing the ability to use rudimentary tools.
If they ask ; "With what? A gun or a rocket launcher?", they've grasped reality and understand basic physics.
If they simply say; "Nothing, beyond making a few holes", then you've found someone with a balanced and informed idea about the world they inhabit outside of the matrix.

MerryDespot

I just don't understand this - I play a few online games including MW2, Battlefield and a few others. I don't even compare these to airsoft. On Line gaming is for night time and days when you can't brap - not a competitor, just a thing to take up the slack time between job, mates, girlfriend, social life etc.
You're right though Dex, you soon learn that airsoft and COD are mutually exclusive in terms of whether or not being decent or alright at one means the same in the other. But as a ... ahem ... recruitment tool ... I have to appreciate COD and all the other shooters. I for one prefer for there to be people to brap against on a site instead of a handful of bods - new or experienced. On line gaming certainly presents the bodies at sites.

NakedDex

You lot are all spoiled. I remember when multiplayer gaming required two joysticks for your Atari 2500, and when internet gaming solely revolved around Quake and my 9600 baud modem. My internet gaming involved nailguns, but I'm not calling for an airsoft version!


I know this might seem strange to you young 'uns, but I got my curiosity about the military from books. You know? Those big thick things full of paper with words on them? The things Easons are full of but Sony and Amazon are trying to eradicate and replace with virtual versions of the same thing at multiples of the weight and with dodgy batteries.


Edit:
And to add to this, I don't know if this is something that spawned from games or rappers, but I'd like to make something quite clear to all airsofters:

THEY ARE NOT SMEGGING CLIPS!!!

There is only ONE rifle in airsoft, that I know of, that uses any form of clip system. Specifically, it uses an en-bloc clip. That is, of course, the M1 Garand. Everything else is a MAGAZINE. For rifles, pistols and all points in between. They are magazines. Not clips.

The next person to talk about "clips for my <insert almost any rifle made after 1940, or any handgun ever, here>" gets a beating.

PS. (I know the SKS was a 1945 invention, but I'm talking in terms of airsoft here, where there is no SKS).

ED E

The funny thing about it is that a few years back you could say SCAR for example and most young lads would think you're talking about a mark on your skin. Due primarily to COD(Admittedly other games, but IMO to a far lesser extent) everybody now knows all the names of most common military firearms. They're still shocking at recognition in real life though. None of the lads could tell what was on the police's hips when we were in spain(Pretty sure it was a P99).

oeb

NakedDex wrote: »

THEY ARE NOT SMEGGING CLIPS!!!

This one sodding thing drives me INSANE. Especially when you correct them and get the response "Sure they are the same thing!" It really brings forth a well of probably unjustified rage. That and people referring to armalites as m-series guns.

andy_g

oeb wrote: »

This one sodding thing drives me INSANE. Especially when you correct them and get the response "Sure they are the same thing!" It really brings forth a well of probably unjustified rage. That and people referring to armalites as m-series guns.

Simple sytem for this espeacially for the rage just smack them

Everything else is a MAGAZINE

Dex does this mean i can get a "magazine" for my m203 please *runs* oh wait no i dont need to run :P

NakedDex

The "M-series" thing is ridiculous too.
"I'm looking for an M-series gun."
So you're looking for any weapon system with a US Military registration? Well, you've clearly narrowed down your choice then.


Andy, there's an argument for saying the box holding a belt of 40mm grenades for a Mk19 or GMG is a magazine, in the same way the belted rounds are in a magazine on an M60/GPMG etc. So it is possible. Take that, smartass. <insert ball spike and TD celebration here>

Lemming

NakedDex wrote: »

I know this might seem strange to you young 'uns, but I got my curiosity about the military from books. You know? Those big thick things full of paper with words on them?

There's an interesting question. How many airsofters today have been 'educated' (for want of a better term) by games & films as opposed to books?

Stercus Accidit

I'd feel like too much of a mitty if I were to talk real steel (like some sort of expert rather than casually) with airsofters, being an airsofter myself, dressed as a soldier, with a toy gun.

There is a balance between self respect and the fantasy world of play soldiers, I try to stay as far inside the boundaries of relative normality as possible.

Nobody needs to know what a long stroke self regualting gas system is in a rifle, and I certainly don't need anyone to know that I know that, because I read up on it once, or many, many times... The magazine/clip fiasco is best left to youtube video comments where 'experts' differenciate themselves from the noobs.

Obsessions best kept to yourself on a daily basis, with some scope for discussion at an appropriate venue, but by jaysis keep your head in reality, and be wary of Walter Mittyism, we all have the initial syptoms.

Blazer

I play COD +Battlefield myself and it can be grand having a chat with lads about gaming during breaks in play.
Most of them soon realise Airsoft is a completely different ballgame after their first game or so when they break cover to fire at you from about 200 yards away

I'm gonna shamelessly plug another post I made in a different thread

lol..I remember I was at LAC about a month ago and SniperSight shows up with his M16/grenade launcher.
Few 14/15year kids there sitting down as we were waiting for the first game to start

Kid A: Look at ur fúckin man..
Kid B: He's got a fúckin noobtoob..
Kid C: Ah fúck man..he can't be allowed to use that?can he? (directed at me )
Me: Course he can
Kids: No way man....it's a fúcking noobtoob...he'll bloody kill us , Oh man..I don't want to be against his team..he better be on our team or we're sodding off...

Too much call of duty I think
I think they were expecting explosions and shít when he fired it
Gave the headsup to Sniper and made sure he was on the other team...unfortunately he forgot to pack the co2 or something like that...
was a really pity as the kids were absolutely bricking it going up against him

NakedDex

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Obsessions best kept to yourself on a daily basis, with some scope for discussion at an appropriate venue, but by jaysis keep your head in reality, and be wary of Walter Mittyism, we all have the initial syptoms.

For some, the obsession is spouting erroneous "facts". I've read a lot about these things, for personal interest reasons, long before airsoft was even a rumour here. Regularly going to military air shows and military displays since I was a child, and being perpetually curious about the engineering of such things, has had me learn a heck of a lot over the years. This isn't information that's relevant to 99% of people I meet on a daily basis, but some share the interest, and it's become quite useful for interacting with customers the shop too.
There are crossovers, like explaining the oversized receiver on an SR25. The real one, to you and me, is obvious. The rifle takes a 7.62mm round, and therefore has a longer bolt, ergo longer receiver. What isn't obvious, even to a lot of airsofters, is that the airsoft equivalent has the same long receiver for aesthetics, but has a longer gearbox inside it too. Explaining one without the other is not really possible. Or is, at least, needlessly difficult.


Annoyances like the clip/magazine confusion and "I've used that gun..." are far from Mittyism, and infinitely more applicable to simply being disturbed at how many people claim to be experts on such things through the use of computer games, movies and re-runs of Futureweapons as their sole sources of "fact". I still get people saying C90's, Night Hawks and Kriegs, instead of P90's, Desert Eagles and Sig 552's. One guy even argued that C90's were the real name and that Stargate changed it to P90 for copyright reasons. That's a Mitty.