If GAA Cannot abide the rules why should ticket holders?

madonna123

If the GAA expect fans to buy tickets for €45 and sit looking at there teams playing there hearts out for umpires, lines men and ref to make a mockery of the game they are sorely mistaken.

Twice this year bad bad calls have been made which I believe has cost teams deserved places in the Championship.
Louth were completely robbed.. Kildare had a fighting chance taken away.

So its like this.. when we go to Croke park we are told not to storm the pitch, not to smoke in the seats.. what u can and cant do.. all for health and safety reasons im sure.. but to abide by the rules pay for our ticket and watch..

Then why why why can the GAA appointed officals not do the same.. abide the rules.. do what they are ment to do.. what us as ticket holders pay there wages to do..

Refs scared to over rule umpires.. lines man mad to wave flags.. "one line men i recall yesterday was clearly Kildare fan.. all he wanted to do was wave white flags.. whenever he felt like it"

Changing the rules as the games goes is complete madness.. I do believe an element of discression is required to alow free flowing football but not clear blatent ignorence of the rules of play..
would not be excepted at underage level... SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING AT CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL..

the rules are there now we are either going to follow them like the fans to or completely ignore them like the GAA do???

Whats it to be?

Magill

HAHAHAHAHA, get over it, down were the better team yesterday.

super_furry

So because a referee made a mistake, you should be allowed to invade the pitch?

madonna123

Magill wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA, get over it, down were the better team yesterday.

I do argree Down were great.. well done but im posting this as a GAA fan.. not as a Kildare person..

other teams have had the same treatment..

What if the same things go on when Down play Cork.. ???

Would U laugh then?

madonna123

Not to that extent..its an example. why are fans expeceted to pay and sit.. and take heed of rules when the officals cannot stand on the pitch and follow the rules?

Im asking everyone to imagine the same thing happened to your county?
as GAA fans.. its just completely unreasonable for us to sit back and allow it to happen..
I felt for louth when they had the same treatment.. when a team plays its heart out.. dispite if they win well or lose badly.. they all should expect the GAA officals to follow the rules and make the correct calls as best as they can.

Birdnuts

Magill wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA, get over it, down were the better team yesterday.

A goal that shouldn't have been(which changed the course of the game since Kildare were the better team up till that point), a legitimate point that wasn't and a penalty that was denied - better team my ar%e.:rolleyes:

I'll be supporting Cork in the final thanx to the total lack of humility by some deluded Down supporters on here:)

Super5onic

Greta idea Madonna...I have a better one though...Lets stop paying our taxes because our politicians are a bunch of muppets :rolleyes:

Donkeygonads

Bring in a video ref for provincial final games, and q/ final , semi final and final games.
Players are committing far too much effort, energy to get to this stage of the championship and then be subjected to an unacceptable level of incompetance from some officials / Umpires .
The margins are so tight nowadays that these decisions are deciding games..... and to return to this stage next year takes huge sacrifice . The GAA argue that if they introduce additional technology , then it'll have to extend to all levels ........ what utter nonsense !!! Players at local level playing Junior C cant be compared to super fit atheletes playing top level inter-county. Joe public is paying enough to go see these top level games....... and the GAA owe it to the players who reach the top levels to maximise all angles to make sure a fair result is given to all participants. Its used suscessfully in other codes......why not the GAA ???

Super5onic

Birdnuts wrote: »

A goal that shouldn't have been(which changed the course of the game since Kildare were the better team up till that point), a legitimate point that wasn't and a penalty that was denied - better team my ar%e.:rolleyes:

I'll be supporting Cork in the final thanx to the total lack of humility by some deluded Down supporters on here:)

Where was there a penalty denied??

super_furry

How about everytime a referee or umpire gets a decision wrong, you get to smash up a car? If they can't get it right, you should be able to break the law!

madonna123

Super5onic wrote: »

Where was there a penalty denied??

in extra time of game.. down player lay on the ball inside the square..

mikemac

madonna123 wrote: »

. they all should expect the GAA officals to follow the rules and make the correct calls as best as they can.

That's all anybody can do in their job, mistakes will happen but you do the best you can. That's how I do my job and I'm sure how you do yours madonna123.

In NFL (the other NFL ) , a coach has two challenge flags and if both challenges are succusful then you get a third.
Anything in the last two minutes can be taken off the referee and reviewed by the TV judge.

I don't think it'd slow the game down that much.
And can be adapted to anything they want, just other sports do it already.

Super5onic

madonna123 wrote: »

in extra time of game.. down player lay on the ball inside the square..

Havent seen replay but i dont think he was in small square or was he?...If so its no penalty

Birdnuts

madonna123 wrote: »

Not to that extent..its an example. why are fans expeceted to pay and sit.. and take heed of rules when the officals cannot stand on the pitch and follow the rules?

Im asking everyone to imagine the same thing happened to your county?
as GAA fans.. its just completely unreasonable for us to sit back and allow it to happen..
I felt for louth when they had the same treatment.. when a team plays its heart out.. dispite if they win well or lose badly.. they all should expect the GAA officals to follow the rules and make the correct calls as best as they can.

And thats the point - the GAA don't give a fup about eitheir players who put in so much time and effort or the loyal fans who shell out big money to follow their team in hard times. The Grab ALL Association needs to be reminded they are nothing without the above.

PS: The fact that the dummys in White Coats yesterday where the same clowns involved in the Louth/Meath debacle says it all :rolleyes:

madonna123

super_furry wrote: »

How about everytime a referee or umpire gets a decision wrong, you get to smash up a car? If they can't get it right, you should be able to break the law!

Now thats very childish.. You are being extreem in your interpretation of my point.

I did say the Croke Park rules are for health and safety reasons.. but in contrast.. the fans follow the rules because we know why they are there.. for our safety.. why are the officals not following the rules and giving the correct desions for the proper play of the game?? we know our rules.. why do they not know theres?

Birdnuts

super_furry wrote: »

, you should be able to break the law!

How about the basic laws of the game which appear to be beyond the understanding of those who the GAA would have us believe are fit to officiate at the biggest games of the year:rolleyes:

Magill

Birdnuts wrote: »

A goal that shouldn't have been(which changed the course of the game since Kildare were the better team up till that point), a legitimate point that wasn't and a penalty that was denied - better team my ar%e.:rolleyes:

I'll be supporting Cork in the final thanx to the total lack of humility by some deluded Down supporters on here:)

The reason we aren't wiping your eyes is because of the complete crap that is coming off your keyboards, yes it shouldn't have been a goal (Its a ****ing crap rule anyway)... but your goal shouldn't have counted either. The point... i'll give you that even tho you couldn't see it on the TV. It wasn't a penalty.

Now... lets not forget the huge spells in the game when the down players could barely look sideways at kildare without the ref blowing.

Ash.J.Williams

Super5onic wrote: »

Havent seen replay but i dont think he was in small square or was he?...If so its no penalty

He handled the ball on the ground outside the square, and then fell on it inside the square, Should have been a free in, but the ref missed that, then should have been a penalty, but he also missed that!

dicknorris

I don't agree with an ulster ref been allowed to take charge of an match involving an ulster team

Magill

Oh yeah, dont worry, when down or cork win sam... the pitch will indeed be invaded !!!!

Birdnuts

Magill wrote: »

The reason we aren't wiping your eyes is because of the complete crap that is coming off your keyboards, yes it shouldn't have been a goal (Its a ****ing crap rule anyway)... but your goal shouldn't have counted either. The point... i'll give you that even tho you couldn't see it on the TV. It wasn't a penalty.

Now... lets not forget the huge spells in the game when the down players could barely look sideways at kildare without the ref blowing.

Poor effort - the Kildare goal scorer was fouled and presumably advantage was played. As for the idea that the ref was favouring Kildare with frees - don't make my larf:rolleyes:

AGC

madonna123 wrote: »

Twice this year bad bad calls have been made which I believe has cost teams deserved places in the Championship.
Louth were completely robbed.. Kildare had a fighting chance taken away.

And hear is the problem. People say Louth were robbed(Fair enough) and Kildare had a fighting chance taken away....What is the difference, if you are of the belief Louth were robbed surely Kildare were aswell?

Just because Coulters goal wasn't in the last minute doesn't make it less of a 'rob'. The match is 70 minutes. Neither goal should have stood but they did, poor decisions were made and 1 by what people think as the best ref in the country.

If the Sheridan 'goal' was after 13 minutes like the Coulter 'goal' was there owuld have been a lot less replay talk on.

madonna123

Magill wrote: »

The reason we aren't wiping your eyes is because of the complete crap that is coming off your keyboards, yes it shouldn't have been a goal (Its a ****ing crap rule anyway)... but your goal shouldn't have counted either. The point... i'll give you that even tho you couldn't see it on the TV. It wasn't a penalty.

Now... lets not forget the huge spells in the game when the down players could barely look sideways at kildare without the ref blowing.

kildare goal was fine.. there were extra steps.. but due to ref playind advantage to kildare for a foul in play.. this is discressionary.. he actually followed the rules of the game here..

the dying mins free was fine.. I dont know if any ref in the country would if allow a pen there.. too many men in the box.. to hard to see.. (video ref would of picked it up in seconds)

honestly tell me now.. if Down are given the same treatment against Cork.. will you sit back and say.. ah thats ok.. I dont mind..!! Lets not get angry its only an All Ireland final..

Magill

Birdnuts wrote: »

Poor effort - the Kildare goal scorer was fouled and presumably advantage was played. As for the idea that the ref was favouring Kildare with frees - don't make my larf:rolleyes:

Awww well.. guess your right... still doesnt change anything !!! UN DUN

AGC

dicknorris wrote: »

I don't agree with an ulster ref been allowed to take charge of an match involving an ulster team

Or division 1 matches for the last few years when his brother was Monaghan manager!

StephenHendry

both football semis have been great, yet i see where we are all being a bit negative.


the standard of refereeing has been really bad in some games, the umpire yesterday for the down goal that shouldnt been given is a referee himself yet he doesnt seem to know this rule, the other umpire in the hill end not giving that free to kildare.

i think overall down were the better team but those 2 decisions cost kildare.

the other is the hill 16 fence, its an absolute disgrace, gaa fans being treated like animals etc.

AGC

StephenHendry wrote: »

the other is the hill 16 fence, its an absolute disgrace, gaa fans being treated like animals etc.

It is a joke but what can be done when GAA fans themselves act like animals?

super_furry

StephenHendry wrote: »

the other is the hill 16 fence, its an absolute disgrace, gaa fans being treated like animals etc.

What other option is there when fans act like animals and pig headidly refuse to stay off the field of play?

mrgaa1

Donkeygonads wrote: »

Bring in a video ref for provincial final games, and q/ final , semi final and final games.
Players are committing far too much effort, energy to get to this stage of the championship and then be subjected to an unacceptable level of incompetance from some officials / Umpires .
The margins are so tight nowadays that these decisions are deciding games..... and to return to this stage next year takes huge sacrifice . The GAA argue that if they introduce additional technology , then it'll have to extend to all levels ........ what utter nonsense !!! Players at local level playing Junior C cant be compared to super fit atheletes playing top level inter-county. Joe public is paying enough to go see these top level games....... and the GAA owe it to the players who reach the top levels to maximise all angles to make sure a fair result is given to all participants. Its used suscessfully in other codes......why not the GAA ???

Please name one amateur sport where such video evidence is in use. I can't think of any.
Please name professional sports where video evidence is in use and those professional sports that don't.

gmale

mrgaa1 wrote: »

Please name one amateur sport where such video evidence is in use. I can't think of any.
Please name professional sports where video evidence is in use and those professional sports that don't.

Athletics particularly in sprints and field events, not so much in long distance.

mrgaa1

StephenHendry wrote: »

the standard of refereeing has been really bad in some games, the umpire yesterday for the down goal that shouldnt been given is a referee himself yet he doesnt seem to know this rule, the other umpire in the hill end not giving that free to kildare.

umpires can not call square balls or indicate to give a free.

penexpers

Birdnuts wrote: »

Poor effort - the Kildare goal scorer was fouled and presumably advantage was played.

He wasn't fouled until he had taken seven steps so it should have been a free out.

Kenzi

mrgaa1 wrote: »

umpires can not call square balls or indicate to give a free.

Its a pity players don't realise this. Im always getting grief from players about not giving a free. We only come into the equation when the ref wants our opinions

Ian_K

mrgaa1 wrote: »

umpires can not call square balls or indicate to give a free.

Technicaly this is true, it is meant to be purely the referee's call

but when i'm refereeing i have an understanding with my umpires that they would not put up the green flag and just point to the ground so i'd know it was a square ball

i was given this tip by a local inter county referee so i presume most of them have some sort of system like this as it's almost impossible to call as a referee

hisholinessnb

This is a beyond stupid thread. Are you honestly saying because a referee gets a decision wrong you should ignore the rules and smoke in non smoking areas or run onto the pitch?? Seriously??

Some of ye lads would want to cop yourselves on, refereeing a game is extremely difficult and mistakes will always be made. If you think the refereeing standards are bad then do something about it. Become a referee yourself and show us all how easy it is. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.

But no, rather than do that you think lighting a cigarette in the stands and running onto the pitch will achieve something??

Unbelievable. :cool:

madonna123

hisholinessnb wrote: »

This is a beyond stupid thread. Are you honestly saying because a referee gets a decision wrong you should ignore the rules and smoke in non smoking areas or run onto the pitch?? Seriously??

Some of ye lads would want to cop yourselves on, refereeing a game is extremely difficult and mistakes will always be made. If you think the refereeing standards are bad then do something about it. Become a referee yourself and show us all how easy it is. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.

But no, rather than do that you think lighting a cigarette in the stands and running onto the pitch will achieve something??

Unbelievable. :cool:

Once again another intelligent person who cannot understand my point..
seriously there should be a ban on childern using boards..

I was using the the rules and regulations that are imposed on patrons who enter Croke park.. We follow the regulations due to the fact that they are for our health and safety.. but the officals who are paid to be there are not following theres..

Why wont the GAA give in and allow video support for refs?
If the job is as hard as everyone says it is.. then refs need video support.. for goals and big decisions.. alot of people, pay ALOT(TOO MUCH) money to be in Croke park on big match days.. not right to allow the day be wrecked with stupid mistakes like that..

as for the fences on the Hill.. in no uncertain words.. the older gentleman who is over post-match security said.. "its young people who are in the hill and the invasions begin in the hill.." so i suppose.. young people in Ireland should be fenced in and feck them..

A man ran out onto the pitch during a Kildare match last year.. he was sitting in the stands!!

madonna123

hisholinessnb wrote: »

This is a beyond stupid thread. Are you honestly saying because a referee gets a decision wrong you should ignore the rules and smoke in non smoking areas or run onto the pitch?? Seriously??

Some of ye lads would want to cop yourselves on, refereeing a game is extremely difficult and mistakes will always be made. If you think the refereeing standards are bad then do something about it. Become a referee yourself and show us all how easy it is. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.

But no, rather than do that you think lighting a cigarette in the stands and running onto the pitch will achieve something??

Unbelievable. :cool:

IF ITS SO HARD WHY DONT THE GAA USE VIDEO SUPPORT..

Oh its so hard.. so ill make stupid mistakes...
Ok.. heres a solution.. video support
No.. we are the GAA.. cant be using technology in the GAA..

hisholinessnb

madonna123 wrote: »

Once again another intelligent person who cannot understand my point..
seriously there should be a ban on childern using boards..

I was using the the rules and regulations that are imposed on patrons who enter Croke park.. We follow the regulations due to the fact that they are for our health and safety.. but the officals who are paid to be there are not following theres..

Thats the stuff, someone points out your point is silly and you resort to childish insults.

You cannot possible compare the above 2. Unless you are suggesting the officials are deliberately making wrong decisions???

Otherwise your point makes no sense.

aodh_rua

mrgaa1 wrote: »

umpires can not call square balls or indicate to give a free.

Umpires can call a square ball; the gesture is to their cross arms across their chest. They can also indicate an a foul, but the referee isn't obliged to consult them.

aodh_rua

aodh_rua wrote: »

Umpires can call a square ball; the gesture is to their cross arms across their chest. They can also indicate an a foul, but the referee isn't obliged to consult them.

Actually - scratch that, I just took a look at the Official Guide and the umpire has no role in calling square balls - other than their general role in directing the refs attention to foul play.

Rule 2
(ii) The umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play in particular, rough or dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or unauthorised incursions onto the field of play, which have not been noticed by the Referee.

Birdnuts

aodh_rua wrote: »

Umpires can call a square ball; the gesture is to their cross arms across their chest. They can also indicate an a foul, but the referee isn't obliged to consult them.

In this case the ref did consult the clown in White:(

madonna123

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Thats the stuff, someone points out your point is silly and you resort to childish insults.

You cannot possible compare the above 2. Unless you are suggesting the officials are deliberately making wrong decisions???

Otherwise your point makes no sense.

Im not trying to insult anyone at all..
We support our teams.. we put faith in the GAA to run the game according to the rules of the game..
we buy our tickets.. pump money into the GAA.. pay wages of officals..
Then they make half hearted calls that cause us to lose faith in them..
if they were unsure of what happened., was it a goal, was it a square ball, was it a point???. LOOK FOR SOME WHO DID.. Dont just guess..
should years of training by players and millions of euros spent by fans all come down to officals making a guess call during a crucial game??

hisholinessnb

Refs in every sport make bad calls, just get over it

tomdadude

madonna123 wrote: »

kildare goal was fine.. there were extra steps.. but due to ref playind advantage to kildare for a foul in play.. this is discressionary.. he actually followed the rules of the game here..

the dying mins free was fine.. I dont know if any ref in the country would if allow a pen there.. too many men in the box.. to hard to see.. (video ref would of picked it up in seconds)

honestly tell me now.. if Down are given the same treatment against Cork.. will you sit back and say.. ah thats ok.. I dont mind..!! Lets not get angry its only an All Ireland final..

No.Kildare goal was not fine.Upon taking too many steps the ref should have went back for the free because there was no advantage (He overcarried).
I do believe they should've had a penalty in the final minute though because a Down man undoubtedly played the ball on the ground inside the area.

Donkeygonads

Rugby and American Football use video evidence and it works extremely well ..... the point being..... Inter County teams are professionally run outfits nowadays with experts in nutrition, conditioning, shrinks, masseurs etc, etc ..... Management are striving to gain any extra advantage possible in their preparpation ...... Yet, on match day the 2 lads standing at the goals during the business end of the championship cant tell if its over the bar or a man in the square..... how many more teams will have to endure heartache disappointment before the GAA realise something needs to be done....... especially when the crowd see it on the Big Screen secs after the incident occurs.... and realise the officials made a terrible mistake !

hisholinessnb

On a side note is it any wonder we struggle to find good officials given the treatment some of our so called "fans" have dished out to them this year.
Not exactly encouraging the bright young lads (who may be excellent refs / umpires in the future) in now is it.

The video evidence issue is a seperate issue from how this thread started, ie. the referees were more or less accused of deliberately making bad calls, in other words cheating.
Thats a scandalous suggestion and an insult to our referees.

largepants

Fellow Kildare supporters please give it a rest. I'm as sick as any Kildare person but the game is now over. We were the authors of our own downfall with some of the wides. We didn't play (or weren't let maybe) to out full potential and Down were better on the day so move on. It'll make this bunch of players more determined to go a step further next year.

There is such a thing as being gracious in victory as well as defeat. All Down fans I met after the game yesterday were most gracious. Magill you are beginning to ruin my perception of Down fans by your constant goading. Give it a rest.

DH2K9

madonna123 wrote: »

If the GAA expect fans to buy tickets for €45 and sit looking at there teams playing there hearts out for umpires, lines men and ref to make a mockery of the game they are sorely mistaken.

Twice this year bad bad calls have been made which I believe has cost teams deserved places in the Championship.
Louth were completely robbed.. Kildare had a fighting chance taken away.

So its like this.. when we go to Croke park we are told not to storm the pitch, not to smoke in the seats.. what u can and cant do.. all for health and safety reasons im sure.. but to abide by the rules pay for our ticket and watch..

Then why why why can the GAA appointed officals not do the same.. abide the rules.. do what they are ment to do.. what us as ticket holders pay there wages to do..

Refs scared to over rule umpires.. lines man mad to wave flags.. "one line men i recall yesterday was clearly Kildare fan.. all he wanted to do was wave white flags.. whenever he felt like it"

Changing the rules as the games goes is complete madness.. I do believe an element of discression is required to alow free flowing football but not clear blatent ignorence of the rules of play..
would not be excepted at underage level... SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING AT CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL..

the rules are there now we are either going to follow them like the fans to or completely ignore them like the GAA do???

Whats it to be?

Every single player on that pitch yesterday made many mistakes it just so happens that some are more high profile than others. sh*t happens get over it.

Ace2007

madonna123 wrote: »

Once again another intelligent person who cannot understand my point..
seriously there should be a ban on childern using boards..

I was using the the rules and regulations that are imposed on patrons who enter Croke park.. We follow the regulations due to the fact that they are for our health and safety.. but the officals who are paid to be there are not following theres..

Why wont the GAA give in and allow video support for refs?
If the job is as hard as everyone says it is.. then refs need video support.. for goals and big decisions.. alot of people, pay ALOT(TOO MUCH) money to be in Croke park on big match days.. not right to allow the day be wrecked with stupid mistakes like that..

as for the fences on the Hill.. in no uncertain words.. the older gentleman who is over post-match security said.. "its young people who are in the hill and the invasions begin in the hill.." so i suppose.. young people in Ireland should be fenced in and feck them..

A man ran out onto the pitch during a Kildare match last year.. he was sitting in the stands!!

LMAO - you are such a child, there is not a sport in the world where officials don't get stuff wrong, and there you want to go and break health and safety rules because of it.

rpurfield

Birdnuts wrote: »

PS: The fact that the dummys in White Coats yesterday where the same clowns involved in the Louth/Meath debacle says it all :rolleyes:

most definitly wouldnt have been the same guys.pat mceneaney had two inter county refs at the hill end anyway and i couldve swore at least one at the canal end was a ref too,martin sludden had his brother hadnt he?and three of his mates or club mates

Birdnuts wrote: »

Poor effort - the Kildare goal scorer was fouled and presumably advantage was played. As for the idea that the ref was favouring Kildare with frees - don't make my larf:rolleyes:

when ya play advantage and the person getting the advantage fouls either a player or a technical foul the referee must blow that foul.check the official rules if ya want.sure if a lad was given free reign during advantage he could deck his opponent with a box and not be punished

rebel girl 15

aodh_rua wrote: »

Umpires can call a square ball; the gesture is to their cross arms across their chest. They can also indicate an a foul, but the referee isn't obliged to consult them.

Haven't checked it, but I'm pretty sure that when the goal is disallowed by the ref, the umpires must go into the square and cross the flags to indicate a disallowed goal, not putting their arms across their chest. TBH a lot of things could be sorted by giving the linespeople and umpires more powers, i.e. the power to call a square ball.

I agree with the posters above, if you want change, get involved and become a ref and then find out how hard it is to make the right calls all of the time. It is hard to make those split second calls, sometimes you get them right, sometimes you get them wrong, the same as players can make a mistake which can lead to a score for the opposition.